FAQs
FAQs
2013-03-12 09:12:10
Looking at recent posts, one thing which I think would be massively useful, and not just for new members, is not just a family tree section but a cast list to go with it, giving each person's name, titles if any, dates and how they related to the rest - who they were married to, who they worked for, and whose cousin/aunt/stepfather they were.
This might be done as a wiki which memebrs of the forum could access and edit, so that new characters could be added easily.
This might be done as a wiki which memebrs of the forum could access and edit, so that new characters could be added easily.
Re: FAQs
2013-03-12 10:48:56
There are some good online genealogies at present - if you consult them often enough, you would remember a lot.
Having said that, I will consult with Neil after NEXT Tuesday about this.
----- Original Message -----
From: Claire M Jordan
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 9:23 AM
Subject: FAQs
Looking at recent posts, one thing which I think would be massively useful, and not just for new members, is not just a family tree section but a cast list to go with it, giving each person's name, titles if any, dates and how they related to the rest - who they were married to, who they worked for, and whose cousin/aunt/stepfather they were.
This might be done as a wiki which memebrs of the forum could access and edit, so that new characters could be added easily.
Having said that, I will consult with Neil after NEXT Tuesday about this.
----- Original Message -----
From: Claire M Jordan
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 9:23 AM
Subject: FAQs
Looking at recent posts, one thing which I think would be massively useful, and not just for new members, is not just a family tree section but a cast list to go with it, giving each person's name, titles if any, dates and how they related to the rest - who they were married to, who they worked for, and whose cousin/aunt/stepfather they were.
This might be done as a wiki which memebrs of the forum could access and edit, so that new characters could be added easily.
Re: FAQs
2013-03-12 14:47:09
Oh Claire, that is an even better idea. I do think it becomes confusing when someone gets a title and thus a new name. And all the crossed lines of family, allegiance, etc.
On Mar 12, 2013, at 4:12 AM, "Claire M Jordan" <whitehound@...<mailto:whitehound@...>> wrote:
Looking at recent posts, one thing which I think would be massively useful, and not just for new members, is not just a family tree section but a cast list to go with it, giving each person's name, titles if any, dates and how they related to the rest - who they were married to, who they worked for, and whose cousin/aunt/stepfather they were.
This might be done as a wiki which memebrs of the forum could access and edit, so that new characters could be added easily.
On Mar 12, 2013, at 4:12 AM, "Claire M Jordan" <whitehound@...<mailto:whitehound@...>> wrote:
Looking at recent posts, one thing which I think would be massively useful, and not just for new members, is not just a family tree section but a cast list to go with it, giving each person's name, titles if any, dates and how they related to the rest - who they were married to, who they worked for, and whose cousin/aunt/stepfather they were.
This might be done as a wiki which memebrs of the forum could access and edit, so that new characters could be added easily.
Re: FAQs
2013-03-12 17:07:17
Before the R3 Soc website was updated there was a collection of pages called Who was Who in the WOTW & I found it very useful for checking exactly that. I don't think it's there now & I should ask what's become of it.
Jan.
Sent from my iPad
On 12 Mar 2013, at 14:47, Pamela Bain <pbain@...> wrote:
> Oh Claire, that is an even better idea. I do think it becomes confusing when someone gets a title and thus a new name. And all the crossed lines of family, allegiance, etc.
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> On Mar 12, 2013, at 4:12 AM, "Claire M Jordan" <whitehound@...<mailto:whitehound@...>> wrote:
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Jan.
Sent from my iPad
On 12 Mar 2013, at 14:47, Pamela Bain <pbain@...> wrote:
> Oh Claire, that is an even better idea. I do think it becomes confusing when someone gets a title and thus a new name. And all the crossed lines of family, allegiance, etc.
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> On Mar 12, 2013, at 4:12 AM, "Claire M Jordan" <whitehound@...<mailto:whitehound@...>> wrote:
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> Looking at recent posts, one thing which I think would be massively useful, and not just for new members, is not just a family tree section but a cast list to go with it, giving each person's name, titles if any, dates and how they related to the rest - who they were married to, who they worked for, and whose cousin/aunt/stepfather they were.
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Re: FAQs
2013-03-12 23:41:06
Jan Mulrenan <janmulrenan@...> wrote:
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> Before the R3 Soc website was updated there was a collection of pages called Who was Who in the WOTW & I found it very useful for checking exactly that. I don't think it's there now & I should ask what's become of it.
Carol responds:
There's actually a book called "Who Was Who in the Wars of the Roses" by Pauline Harrison Pogmore:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/WHO-was-WARS-ROSES/dp/0907604072
Whether it takes a favorable view of Richard, I don't know, but it has to be better than Michael Hicks's "Who's Who in Medieval England" in that regard.
How far back should we go on our Who's Who? Edward III? In a sense it all starts with him. And should we include people from the generation after Richard's, such as Sir Thomas More and Polydore Vergil, or only people directly associated with Richard or the Houses of York and Lancaster? Should we include retainers, such as Tyrell, Brampton, Lovell, and Ratcliffe, or just relatives?
We could, in all seriousness, use the cast of characters in Shakespeare's Henry VI, Part 3, and Richard III as a jumping-off point.
Carol
>
> Before the R3 Soc website was updated there was a collection of pages called Who was Who in the WOTW & I found it very useful for checking exactly that. I don't think it's there now & I should ask what's become of it.
Carol responds:
There's actually a book called "Who Was Who in the Wars of the Roses" by Pauline Harrison Pogmore:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/WHO-was-WARS-ROSES/dp/0907604072
Whether it takes a favorable view of Richard, I don't know, but it has to be better than Michael Hicks's "Who's Who in Medieval England" in that regard.
How far back should we go on our Who's Who? Edward III? In a sense it all starts with him. And should we include people from the generation after Richard's, such as Sir Thomas More and Polydore Vergil, or only people directly associated with Richard or the Houses of York and Lancaster? Should we include retainers, such as Tyrell, Brampton, Lovell, and Ratcliffe, or just relatives?
We could, in all seriousness, use the cast of characters in Shakespeare's Henry VI, Part 3, and Richard III as a jumping-off point.
Carol
Re: FAQs
2013-03-12 23:56:25
From: justcarol67
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: FAQs
> How far back should we go on our Who's Who? Edward III? In a sense it all
> starts with him.
Well - back as far as Catherine de Valois and Owen Tudor, at any rate.
> And should we include people from the generation after Richard's, such as
> Sir Thomas More and Polydore Vergil, or only people directly associated
> with Richard or the Houses of York and Lancaster? Should we include
> retainers, such as Tyrell, Brampton, Lovell, and Ratcliffe, or just
> relatives?
I'd say yes to both, and taking it at least up to the three Bs - Buck, Baker
and Bacon.
> We could, in all seriousness, use the cast of characters in Shakespeare's
> Henry VI, Part 3, and Richard III as a jumping-off point.
Absolutely - whilst pointing up where their ages, especially, differ from
those in the play.
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: FAQs
> How far back should we go on our Who's Who? Edward III? In a sense it all
> starts with him.
Well - back as far as Catherine de Valois and Owen Tudor, at any rate.
> And should we include people from the generation after Richard's, such as
> Sir Thomas More and Polydore Vergil, or only people directly associated
> with Richard or the Houses of York and Lancaster? Should we include
> retainers, such as Tyrell, Brampton, Lovell, and Ratcliffe, or just
> relatives?
I'd say yes to both, and taking it at least up to the three Bs - Buck, Baker
and Bacon.
> We could, in all seriousness, use the cast of characters in Shakespeare's
> Henry VI, Part 3, and Richard III as a jumping-off point.
Absolutely - whilst pointing up where their ages, especially, differ from
those in the play.
Re: FAQs
2013-03-12 23:59:27
Brampton, Tyrell, Lovell & Ratcliffe certainly were included but not Edward iii iirc on the old website. The dramatist personae of H6 Pt 3 would be a good starting point followed by the women who mattered in dynastic marriages, who killed whom where there's evidence to support this, Stanleys & Cliffords & any number of Nevilles!
Jan.
Sent from my iPad
On 12 Mar 2013, at 23:41, "justcarol67" <justcarol67@...> wrote:
> Jan Mulrenan <janmulrenan@...> wrote:
> >
> > Before the R3 Soc website was updated there was a collection of pages called Who was Who in the WOTW & I found it very useful for checking exactly that. I don't think it's there now & I should ask what's become of it.
>
> Carol responds:
>
> There's actually a book called "Who Was Who in the Wars of the Roses" by Pauline Harrison Pogmore:
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/WHO-was-WARS-ROSES/dp/0907604072
>
> Whether it takes a favorable view of Richard, I don't know, but it has to be better than Michael Hicks's "Who's Who in Medieval England" in that regard.
>
> How far back should we go on our Who's Who? Edward III? In a sense it all starts with him. And should we include people from the generation after Richard's, such as Sir Thomas More and Polydore Vergil, or only people directly associated with Richard or the Houses of York and Lancaster? Should we include retainers, such as Tyrell, Brampton, Lovell, and Ratcliffe, or just relatives?
>
> We could, in all seriousness, use the cast of characters in Shakespeare's Henry VI, Part 3, and Richard III as a jumping-off point.
>
> Carol
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>
Jan.
Sent from my iPad
On 12 Mar 2013, at 23:41, "justcarol67" <justcarol67@...> wrote:
> Jan Mulrenan <janmulrenan@...> wrote:
> >
> > Before the R3 Soc website was updated there was a collection of pages called Who was Who in the WOTW & I found it very useful for checking exactly that. I don't think it's there now & I should ask what's become of it.
>
> Carol responds:
>
> There's actually a book called "Who Was Who in the Wars of the Roses" by Pauline Harrison Pogmore:
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/WHO-was-WARS-ROSES/dp/0907604072
>
> Whether it takes a favorable view of Richard, I don't know, but it has to be better than Michael Hicks's "Who's Who in Medieval England" in that regard.
>
> How far back should we go on our Who's Who? Edward III? In a sense it all starts with him. And should we include people from the generation after Richard's, such as Sir Thomas More and Polydore Vergil, or only people directly associated with Richard or the Houses of York and Lancaster? Should we include retainers, such as Tyrell, Brampton, Lovell, and Ratcliffe, or just relatives?
>
> We could, in all seriousness, use the cast of characters in Shakespeare's Henry VI, Part 3, and Richard III as a jumping-off point.
>
> Carol
>
>
Re: FAQs
2013-03-13 00:03:42
If we include More et al & the first revisionists then I think we should start another list entitled Who was who in King Richard's historians.
Jan.
Sent from my iPad
On 13 Mar 2013, at 00:08, "Claire M Jordan" <whitehound@...> wrote:
> From: justcarol67
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:41 PM
> Subject: Re: FAQs
>
> > How far back should we go on our Who's Who? Edward III? In a sense it all
> > starts with him.
>
> Well - back as far as Catherine de Valois and Owen Tudor, at any rate.
>
> > And should we include people from the generation after Richard's, such as
> > Sir Thomas More and Polydore Vergil, or only people directly associated
> > with Richard or the Houses of York and Lancaster? Should we include
> > retainers, such as Tyrell, Brampton, Lovell, and Ratcliffe, or just
> > relatives?
>
> I'd say yes to both, and taking it at least up to the three Bs - Buck, Baker
> and Bacon.
>
> > We could, in all seriousness, use the cast of characters in Shakespeare's
> > Henry VI, Part 3, and Richard III as a jumping-off point.
>
> Absolutely - whilst pointing up where their ages, especially, differ from
> those in the play.
>
>
Jan.
Sent from my iPad
On 13 Mar 2013, at 00:08, "Claire M Jordan" <whitehound@...> wrote:
> From: justcarol67
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:41 PM
> Subject: Re: FAQs
>
> > How far back should we go on our Who's Who? Edward III? In a sense it all
> > starts with him.
>
> Well - back as far as Catherine de Valois and Owen Tudor, at any rate.
>
> > And should we include people from the generation after Richard's, such as
> > Sir Thomas More and Polydore Vergil, or only people directly associated
> > with Richard or the Houses of York and Lancaster? Should we include
> > retainers, such as Tyrell, Brampton, Lovell, and Ratcliffe, or just
> > relatives?
>
> I'd say yes to both, and taking it at least up to the three Bs - Buck, Baker
> and Bacon.
>
> > We could, in all seriousness, use the cast of characters in Shakespeare's
> > Henry VI, Part 3, and Richard III as a jumping-off point.
>
> Absolutely - whilst pointing up where their ages, especially, differ from
> those in the play.
>
>
Re: FAQs
2013-03-13 00:08:21
Miss Carol, I think I was able to order the book. UK Amazon said it could not ship to me. However, I found an antique bookstore in Leeds. If I am able to get it, I will be glad to scan copies of the pages for the Group Site.
On Mar 12, 2013, at 6:41 PM, "justcarol67" <justcarol67@...<mailto:justcarol67@...>> wrote:
Jan Mulrenan <janmulrenan@...> wrote:
>
> Before the R3 Soc website was updated there was a collection of pages called Who was Who in the WOTW & I found it very useful for checking exactly that. I don't think it's there now & I should ask what's become of it.
Carol responds:
There's actually a book called "Who Was Who in the Wars of the Roses" by Pauline Harrison Pogmore:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/WHO-was-WARS-ROSES/dp/0907604072
Whether it takes a favorable view of Richard, I don't know, but it has to be better than Michael Hicks's "Who's Who in Medieval England" in that regard.
How far back should we go on our Who's Who? Edward III? In a sense it all starts with him. And should we include people from the generation after Richard's, such as Sir Thomas More and Polydore Vergil, or only people directly associated with Richard or the Houses of York and Lancaster? Should we include retainers, such as Tyrell, Brampton, Lovell, and Ratcliffe, or just relatives?
We could, in all seriousness, use the cast of characters in Shakespeare's Henry VI, Part 3, and Richard III as a jumping-off point.
Carol
On Mar 12, 2013, at 6:41 PM, "justcarol67" <justcarol67@...<mailto:justcarol67@...>> wrote:
Jan Mulrenan <janmulrenan@...> wrote:
>
> Before the R3 Soc website was updated there was a collection of pages called Who was Who in the WOTW & I found it very useful for checking exactly that. I don't think it's there now & I should ask what's become of it.
Carol responds:
There's actually a book called "Who Was Who in the Wars of the Roses" by Pauline Harrison Pogmore:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/WHO-was-WARS-ROSES/dp/0907604072
Whether it takes a favorable view of Richard, I don't know, but it has to be better than Michael Hicks's "Who's Who in Medieval England" in that regard.
How far back should we go on our Who's Who? Edward III? In a sense it all starts with him. And should we include people from the generation after Richard's, such as Sir Thomas More and Polydore Vergil, or only people directly associated with Richard or the Houses of York and Lancaster? Should we include retainers, such as Tyrell, Brampton, Lovell, and Ratcliffe, or just relatives?
We could, in all seriousness, use the cast of characters in Shakespeare's Henry VI, Part 3, and Richard III as a jumping-off point.
Carol
Re: FAQs
2013-03-13 00:36:17
From: Jan Mulrenan
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: FAQs
> If we include More et al & the first revisionists then I think we should
> start another list entitled Who was who in King Richard's historians.
Yes - with a summary of their viewpoint and any salient new information.
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: FAQs
> If we include More et al & the first revisionists then I think we should
> start another list entitled Who was who in King Richard's historians.
Yes - with a summary of their viewpoint and any salient new information.
Re: FAQs
2013-03-13 01:40:46
Definitely start with Edward III. I've had to stare at various calligraphed versions of that family tree for decades. No reason newcomers shouldn't also suffer.
--- In , "justcarol67" <justcarol67@...> wrote:
>
> Jan Mulrenan <janmulrenan@> wrote:
> >
> > Before the R3 Soc website was updated there was a collection of pages called Who was Who in the WOTW & I found it very useful for checking exactly that. I don't think it's there now & I should ask what's become of it.
>
> Carol responds:
>
> There's actually a book called "Who Was Who in the Wars of the Roses" by Pauline Harrison Pogmore:
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/WHO-was-WARS-ROSES/dp/0907604072
>
> Whether it takes a favorable view of Richard, I don't know, but it has to be better than Michael Hicks's "Who's Who in Medieval England" in that regard.
>
> How far back should we go on our Who's Who? Edward III? In a sense it all starts with him. And should we include people from the generation after Richard's, such as Sir Thomas More and Polydore Vergil, or only people directly associated with Richard or the Houses of York and Lancaster? Should we include retainers, such as Tyrell, Brampton, Lovell, and Ratcliffe, or just relatives?
>
> We could, in all seriousness, use the cast of characters in Shakespeare's Henry VI, Part 3, and Richard III as a jumping-off point.
>
> Carol
>
--- In , "justcarol67" <justcarol67@...> wrote:
>
> Jan Mulrenan <janmulrenan@> wrote:
> >
> > Before the R3 Soc website was updated there was a collection of pages called Who was Who in the WOTW & I found it very useful for checking exactly that. I don't think it's there now & I should ask what's become of it.
>
> Carol responds:
>
> There's actually a book called "Who Was Who in the Wars of the Roses" by Pauline Harrison Pogmore:
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/WHO-was-WARS-ROSES/dp/0907604072
>
> Whether it takes a favorable view of Richard, I don't know, but it has to be better than Michael Hicks's "Who's Who in Medieval England" in that regard.
>
> How far back should we go on our Who's Who? Edward III? In a sense it all starts with him. And should we include people from the generation after Richard's, such as Sir Thomas More and Polydore Vergil, or only people directly associated with Richard or the Houses of York and Lancaster? Should we include retainers, such as Tyrell, Brampton, Lovell, and Ratcliffe, or just relatives?
>
> We could, in all seriousness, use the cast of characters in Shakespeare's Henry VI, Part 3, and Richard III as a jumping-off point.
>
> Carol
>
Re: FAQs
2013-03-13 09:21:31
It certainly should do - she is from the Yorkshire Branch and I have it.
----- Original Message -----
From: justcarol67
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: FAQs
Jan Mulrenan <janmulrenan@...> wrote:
>
> Before the R3 Soc website was updated there was a collection of pages called Who was Who in the WOTW & I found it very useful for checking exactly that. I don't think it's there now & I should ask what's become of it.
Carol responds:
There's actually a book called "Who Was Who in the Wars of the Roses" by Pauline Harrison Pogmore:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/WHO-was-WARS-ROSES/dp/0907604072
Whether it takes a favorable view of Richard, I don't know, but it has to be better than Michael Hicks's "Who's Who in Medieval England" in that regard.
How far back should we go on our Who's Who? Edward III? In a sense it all starts with him. And should we include people from the generation after Richard's, such as Sir Thomas More and Polydore Vergil, or only people directly associated with Richard or the Houses of York and Lancaster? Should we include retainers, such as Tyrell, Brampton, Lovell, and Ratcliffe, or just relatives?
We could, in all seriousness, use the cast of characters in Shakespeare's Henry VI, Part 3, and Richard III as a jumping-off point.
Carol
----- Original Message -----
From: justcarol67
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: FAQs
Jan Mulrenan <janmulrenan@...> wrote:
>
> Before the R3 Soc website was updated there was a collection of pages called Who was Who in the WOTW & I found it very useful for checking exactly that. I don't think it's there now & I should ask what's become of it.
Carol responds:
There's actually a book called "Who Was Who in the Wars of the Roses" by Pauline Harrison Pogmore:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/WHO-was-WARS-ROSES/dp/0907604072
Whether it takes a favorable view of Richard, I don't know, but it has to be better than Michael Hicks's "Who's Who in Medieval England" in that regard.
How far back should we go on our Who's Who? Edward III? In a sense it all starts with him. And should we include people from the generation after Richard's, such as Sir Thomas More and Polydore Vergil, or only people directly associated with Richard or the Houses of York and Lancaster? Should we include retainers, such as Tyrell, Brampton, Lovell, and Ratcliffe, or just relatives?
We could, in all seriousness, use the cast of characters in Shakespeare's Henry VI, Part 3, and Richard III as a jumping-off point.
Carol
Re: FAQs
2013-03-13 11:30:03
Hello All, Pauline Harrison Pogmore is the secretary of the Yorkshire Branch of Society, she is very knowledgable and has written many short books on people connected with Richard, as secretary of the branch she is like myself very supportive of Richard.
Christine
Loyaulte me Lie
--- In , "Stephen Lark" <stephenmlark@...> wrote:
>
> It certainly should do - she is from the Yorkshire Branch and I have it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: justcarol67
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:41 PM
> Subject: Re: FAQs
>
>
>
> Jan Mulrenan <janmulrenan@> wrote:
> >
> > Before the R3 Soc website was updated there was a collection of pages called Who was Who in the WOTW & I found it very useful for checking exactly that. I don't think it's there now & I should ask what's become of it.
>
> Carol responds:
>
> There's actually a book called "Who Was Who in the Wars of the Roses" by Pauline Harrison Pogmore:
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/WHO-was-WARS-ROSES/dp/0907604072
>
> Whether it takes a favorable view of Richard, I don't know, but it has to be better than Michael Hicks's "Who's Who in Medieval England" in that regard.
>
> How far back should we go on our Who's Who? Edward III? In a sense it all starts with him. And should we include people from the generation after Richard's, such as Sir Thomas More and Polydore Vergil, or only people directly associated with Richard or the Houses of York and Lancaster? Should we include retainers, such as Tyrell, Brampton, Lovell, and Ratcliffe, or just relatives?
>
> We could, in all seriousness, use the cast of characters in Shakespeare's Henry VI, Part 3, and Richard III as a jumping-off point.
>
> Carol
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Christine
Loyaulte me Lie
--- In , "Stephen Lark" <stephenmlark@...> wrote:
>
> It certainly should do - she is from the Yorkshire Branch and I have it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: justcarol67
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:41 PM
> Subject: Re: FAQs
>
>
>
> Jan Mulrenan <janmulrenan@> wrote:
> >
> > Before the R3 Soc website was updated there was a collection of pages called Who was Who in the WOTW & I found it very useful for checking exactly that. I don't think it's there now & I should ask what's become of it.
>
> Carol responds:
>
> There's actually a book called "Who Was Who in the Wars of the Roses" by Pauline Harrison Pogmore:
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/WHO-was-WARS-ROSES/dp/0907604072
>
> Whether it takes a favorable view of Richard, I don't know, but it has to be better than Michael Hicks's "Who's Who in Medieval England" in that regard.
>
> How far back should we go on our Who's Who? Edward III? In a sense it all starts with him. And should we include people from the generation after Richard's, such as Sir Thomas More and Polydore Vergil, or only people directly associated with Richard or the Houses of York and Lancaster? Should we include retainers, such as Tyrell, Brampton, Lovell, and Ratcliffe, or just relatives?
>
> We could, in all seriousness, use the cast of characters in Shakespeare's Henry VI, Part 3, and Richard III as a jumping-off point.
>
> Carol
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: FAQs
2013-03-13 12:42:57
Hello All, If anyone would like any of Pauline Harrison Pogmore's books on "Who Was Who in the Wars of the Roses" and "Richard III The House of York and Their Supporters" you can contact her on email scarletlion1119@..., telephone 01142586097 to order and
also if you wish to join The Yorkshire Branch of The Richard III Society. Pauline gave me permission to do this today. Pauline is also the Librarian and Branch Research Officer.
Christine
Loyaulte me Lie
--- In , "Stephen Lark" <stephenmlark@...> wrote:
>
> It certainly should do - she is from the Yorkshire Branch and I have it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: justcarol67
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:41 PM
> Subject: Re: FAQs
>
>
>
> Jan Mulrenan <janmulrenan@> wrote:
> >
> > Before the R3 Soc website was updated there was a collection of pages called Who was Who in the WOTW & I found it very useful for checking exactly that. I don't think it's there now & I should ask what's become of it.
>
> Carol responds:
>
> There's actually a book called "Who Was Who in the Wars of the Roses" by Pauline Harrison Pogmore:
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/WHO-was-WARS-ROSES/dp/0907604072
>
> Whether it takes a favorable view of Richard, I don't know, but it has to be better than Michael Hicks's "Who's Who in Medieval England" in that regard.
>
> How far back should we go on our Who's Who? Edward III? In a sense it all starts with him. And should we include people from the generation after Richard's, such as Sir Thomas More and Polydore Vergil, or only people directly associated with Richard or the Houses of York and Lancaster? Should we include retainers, such as Tyrell, Brampton, Lovell, and Ratcliffe, or just relatives?
>
> We could, in all seriousness, use the cast of characters in Shakespeare's Henry VI, Part 3, and Richard III as a jumping-off point.
>
> Carol
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
also if you wish to join The Yorkshire Branch of The Richard III Society. Pauline gave me permission to do this today. Pauline is also the Librarian and Branch Research Officer.
Christine
Loyaulte me Lie
--- In , "Stephen Lark" <stephenmlark@...> wrote:
>
> It certainly should do - she is from the Yorkshire Branch and I have it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: justcarol67
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:41 PM
> Subject: Re: FAQs
>
>
>
> Jan Mulrenan <janmulrenan@> wrote:
> >
> > Before the R3 Soc website was updated there was a collection of pages called Who was Who in the WOTW & I found it very useful for checking exactly that. I don't think it's there now & I should ask what's become of it.
>
> Carol responds:
>
> There's actually a book called "Who Was Who in the Wars of the Roses" by Pauline Harrison Pogmore:
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/WHO-was-WARS-ROSES/dp/0907604072
>
> Whether it takes a favorable view of Richard, I don't know, but it has to be better than Michael Hicks's "Who's Who in Medieval England" in that regard.
>
> How far back should we go on our Who's Who? Edward III? In a sense it all starts with him. And should we include people from the generation after Richard's, such as Sir Thomas More and Polydore Vergil, or only people directly associated with Richard or the Houses of York and Lancaster? Should we include retainers, such as Tyrell, Brampton, Lovell, and Ratcliffe, or just relatives?
>
> We could, in all seriousness, use the cast of characters in Shakespeare's Henry VI, Part 3, and Richard III as a jumping-off point.
>
> Carol
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: FAQs
2013-03-13 13:00:25
Thanks Christine....I found a copy last night. Now I wish I had waited, oh well!
From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of christineholmes651@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 7:43 AM
To:
Subject: Re: FAQs
Hello All, If anyone would like any of Pauline Harrison Pogmore's books on "Who Was Who in the Wars of the Roses" and "Richard III The House of York and Their Supporters" you can contact her on email scarletlion1119@...<mailto:scarletlion1119%40yahoo.co.uk>, telephone 01142586097 to order and
also if you wish to join The Yorkshire Branch of The Richard III Society. Pauline gave me permission to do this today. Pauline is also the Librarian and Branch Research Officer.
Christine
Loyaulte me Lie
--- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, "Stephen Lark" <stephenmlark@...<mailto:stephenmlark@...>> wrote:
>
> It certainly should do - she is from the Yorkshire Branch and I have it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: justcarol67
> To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:41 PM
> Subject: Re: FAQs
>
>
>
> Jan Mulrenan <janmulrenan@> wrote:
> >
> > Before the R3 Soc website was updated there was a collection of pages called Who was Who in the WOTW & I found it very useful for checking exactly that. I don't think it's there now & I should ask what's become of it.
>
> Carol responds:
>
> There's actually a book called "Who Was Who in the Wars of the Roses" by Pauline Harrison Pogmore:
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/WHO-was-WARS-ROSES/dp/0907604072
>
> Whether it takes a favorable view of Richard, I don't know, but it has to be better than Michael Hicks's "Who's Who in Medieval England" in that regard.
>
> How far back should we go on our Who's Who? Edward III? In a sense it all starts with him. And should we include people from the generation after Richard's, such as Sir Thomas More and Polydore Vergil, or only people directly associated with Richard or the Houses of York and Lancaster? Should we include retainers, such as Tyrell, Brampton, Lovell, and Ratcliffe, or just relatives?
>
> We could, in all seriousness, use the cast of characters in Shakespeare's Henry VI, Part 3, and Richard III as a jumping-off point.
>
> Carol
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of christineholmes651@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 7:43 AM
To:
Subject: Re: FAQs
Hello All, If anyone would like any of Pauline Harrison Pogmore's books on "Who Was Who in the Wars of the Roses" and "Richard III The House of York and Their Supporters" you can contact her on email scarletlion1119@...<mailto:scarletlion1119%40yahoo.co.uk>, telephone 01142586097 to order and
also if you wish to join The Yorkshire Branch of The Richard III Society. Pauline gave me permission to do this today. Pauline is also the Librarian and Branch Research Officer.
Christine
Loyaulte me Lie
--- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, "Stephen Lark" <stephenmlark@...<mailto:stephenmlark@...>> wrote:
>
> It certainly should do - she is from the Yorkshire Branch and I have it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: justcarol67
> To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:41 PM
> Subject: Re: FAQs
>
>
>
> Jan Mulrenan <janmulrenan@> wrote:
> >
> > Before the R3 Soc website was updated there was a collection of pages called Who was Who in the WOTW & I found it very useful for checking exactly that. I don't think it's there now & I should ask what's become of it.
>
> Carol responds:
>
> There's actually a book called "Who Was Who in the Wars of the Roses" by Pauline Harrison Pogmore:
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/WHO-was-WARS-ROSES/dp/0907604072
>
> Whether it takes a favorable view of Richard, I don't know, but it has to be better than Michael Hicks's "Who's Who in Medieval England" in that regard.
>
> How far back should we go on our Who's Who? Edward III? In a sense it all starts with him. And should we include people from the generation after Richard's, such as Sir Thomas More and Polydore Vergil, or only people directly associated with Richard or the Houses of York and Lancaster? Should we include retainers, such as Tyrell, Brampton, Lovell, and Ratcliffe, or just relatives?
>
> We could, in all seriousness, use the cast of characters in Shakespeare's Henry VI, Part 3, and Richard III as a jumping-off point.
>
> Carol
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: FAQs
2013-03-21 19:14:52
Hello Christine,
I have tried the scarlet lion email address for Pauline H Pogmore & had it returned c/o mailerdaemon. Can you advise?
Sorry for the hassle.
Jan.
--- In , Pamela Bain <pbain@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Christine....I found a copy last night. Now I wish I had waited, oh well!
>
>
> From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of christineholmes651@...
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 7:43 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: FAQs
>
>
>
>
> Hello All, If anyone would like any of Pauline Harrison Pogmore's books on "Who Was Who in the Wars of the Roses" and "Richard III The House of York and Their Supporters" you can contact her on email scarletlion1119@...<mailto:scarletlion1119%40yahoo.co.uk>, telephone 01142586097 to order and
> also if you wish to join The Yorkshire Branch of The Richard III Society. Pauline gave me permission to do this today. Pauline is also the Librarian and Branch Research Officer.
> Christine
> Loyaulte me Lie
>
> --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, "Stephen Lark" <stephenmlark@<mailto:stephenmlark@>> wrote:
> >
> > It certainly should do - she is from the Yorkshire Branch and I have it.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: justcarol67
> > To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: FAQs
> >
> >
> >
> > Jan Mulrenan <janmulrenan@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Before the R3 Soc website was updated there was a collection of pages called Who was Who in the WOTW & I found it very useful for checking exactly that. I don't think it's there now & I should ask what's become of it.
> >
> > Carol responds:
> >
> > There's actually a book called "Who Was Who in the Wars of the Roses" by Pauline Harrison Pogmore:
> >
> > http://www.amazon.co.uk/WHO-was-WARS-ROSES/dp/0907604072
> >
> > Whether it takes a favorable view of Richard, I don't know, but it has to be better than Michael Hicks's "Who's Who in Medieval England" in that regard.
> >
> > How far back should we go on our Who's Who? Edward III? In a sense it all starts with him. And should we include people from the generation after Richard's, such as Sir Thomas More and Polydore Vergil, or only people directly associated with Richard or the Houses of York and Lancaster? Should we include retainers, such as Tyrell, Brampton, Lovell, and Ratcliffe, or just relatives?
> >
> > We could, in all seriousness, use the cast of characters in Shakespeare's Henry VI, Part 3, and Richard III as a jumping-off point.
> >
> > Carol
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
I have tried the scarlet lion email address for Pauline H Pogmore & had it returned c/o mailerdaemon. Can you advise?
Sorry for the hassle.
Jan.
--- In , Pamela Bain <pbain@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks Christine....I found a copy last night. Now I wish I had waited, oh well!
>
>
> From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of christineholmes651@...
> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 7:43 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: FAQs
>
>
>
>
> Hello All, If anyone would like any of Pauline Harrison Pogmore's books on "Who Was Who in the Wars of the Roses" and "Richard III The House of York and Their Supporters" you can contact her on email scarletlion1119@...<mailto:scarletlion1119%40yahoo.co.uk>, telephone 01142586097 to order and
> also if you wish to join The Yorkshire Branch of The Richard III Society. Pauline gave me permission to do this today. Pauline is also the Librarian and Branch Research Officer.
> Christine
> Loyaulte me Lie
>
> --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, "Stephen Lark" <stephenmlark@<mailto:stephenmlark@>> wrote:
> >
> > It certainly should do - she is from the Yorkshire Branch and I have it.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: justcarol67
> > To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: FAQs
> >
> >
> >
> > Jan Mulrenan <janmulrenan@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Before the R3 Soc website was updated there was a collection of pages called Who was Who in the WOTW & I found it very useful for checking exactly that. I don't think it's there now & I should ask what's become of it.
> >
> > Carol responds:
> >
> > There's actually a book called "Who Was Who in the Wars of the Roses" by Pauline Harrison Pogmore:
> >
> > http://www.amazon.co.uk/WHO-was-WARS-ROSES/dp/0907604072
> >
> > Whether it takes a favorable view of Richard, I don't know, but it has to be better than Michael Hicks's "Who's Who in Medieval England" in that regard.
> >
> > How far back should we go on our Who's Who? Edward III? In a sense it all starts with him. And should we include people from the generation after Richard's, such as Sir Thomas More and Polydore Vergil, or only people directly associated with Richard or the Houses of York and Lancaster? Should we include retainers, such as Tyrell, Brampton, Lovell, and Ratcliffe, or just relatives?
> >
> > We could, in all seriousness, use the cast of characters in Shakespeare's Henry VI, Part 3, and Richard III as a jumping-off point.
> >
> > Carol
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
Re: FAQs
2013-03-22 11:57:04
Hello,Its scarletlion1119@...
This is correct email address I use it frequently so I know its correct.
I notice on this message the email address has come up very strangely
Best of luck with it as I have no idea as to why it did not work, try it again.
best Wishes
Christine
--- In , "janmulrenan@..." <janmulrenan@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Christine,
> I have tried the scarlet lion email address for Pauline H Pogmore & had it returned c/o mailerdaemon. Can you advise?
> Sorry for the hassle.
> Jan.
>
> --- In , Pamela Bain <pbain@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Christine....I found a copy last night. Now I wish I had waited, oh well!
> >
> >
> > From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of christineholmes651@
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 7:43 AM
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: FAQs
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello All, If anyone would like any of Pauline Harrison Pogmore's books on "Who Was Who in the Wars of the Roses" and "Richard III The House of York and Their Supporters" you can contact her on email scarletlion1119@..., telephone 01142586097 to order and
> > also if you wish to join The Yorkshire Branch of The Richard III Society. Pauline gave me permission to do this today. Pauline is also the Librarian and Branch Research Officer.
> > Christine
> > Loyaulte me Lie
> >
> > --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, "Stephen Lark" <stephenmlark@<mailto:stephenmlark@>> wrote:
> > >
> > > It certainly should do - she is from the Yorkshire Branch and I have it.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: justcarol67
> > > To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:41 PM
> > > Subject: Re: FAQs
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jan Mulrenan <janmulrenan@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Before the R3 Soc website was updated there was a collection of pages called Who was Who in the WOTW & I found it very useful for checking exactly that. I don't think it's there now & I should ask what's become of it.
> > >
> > > Carol responds:
> > >
> > > There's actually a book called "Who Was Who in the Wars of the Roses" by Pauline Harrison Pogmore:
> > >
> > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/WHO-was-WARS-ROSES/dp/0907604072
> > >
> > > Whether it takes a favorable view of Richard, I don't know, but it has to be better than Michael Hicks's "Who's Who in Medieval England" in that regard.
> > >
> > > How far back should we go on our Who's Who? Edward III? In a sense it all starts with him. And should we include people from the generation after Richard's, such as Sir Thomas More and Polydore Vergil, or only people directly associated with Richard or the Houses of York and Lancaster? Should we include retainers, such as Tyrell, Brampton, Lovell, and Ratcliffe, or just relatives?
> > >
> > > We could, in all seriousness, use the cast of characters in Shakespeare's Henry VI, Part 3, and Richard III as a jumping-off point.
> > >
> > > Carol
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
This is correct email address I use it frequently so I know its correct.
I notice on this message the email address has come up very strangely
Best of luck with it as I have no idea as to why it did not work, try it again.
best Wishes
Christine
--- In , "janmulrenan@..." <janmulrenan@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Christine,
> I have tried the scarlet lion email address for Pauline H Pogmore & had it returned c/o mailerdaemon. Can you advise?
> Sorry for the hassle.
> Jan.
>
> --- In , Pamela Bain <pbain@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Christine....I found a copy last night. Now I wish I had waited, oh well!
> >
> >
> > From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of christineholmes651@
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 7:43 AM
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: FAQs
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello All, If anyone would like any of Pauline Harrison Pogmore's books on "Who Was Who in the Wars of the Roses" and "Richard III The House of York and Their Supporters" you can contact her on email scarletlion1119@..., telephone 01142586097 to order and
> > also if you wish to join The Yorkshire Branch of The Richard III Society. Pauline gave me permission to do this today. Pauline is also the Librarian and Branch Research Officer.
> > Christine
> > Loyaulte me Lie
> >
> > --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, "Stephen Lark" <stephenmlark@<mailto:stephenmlark@>> wrote:
> > >
> > > It certainly should do - she is from the Yorkshire Branch and I have it.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: justcarol67
> > > To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:41 PM
> > > Subject: Re: FAQs
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jan Mulrenan <janmulrenan@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Before the R3 Soc website was updated there was a collection of pages called Who was Who in the WOTW & I found it very useful for checking exactly that. I don't think it's there now & I should ask what's become of it.
> > >
> > > Carol responds:
> > >
> > > There's actually a book called "Who Was Who in the Wars of the Roses" by Pauline Harrison Pogmore:
> > >
> > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/WHO-was-WARS-ROSES/dp/0907604072
> > >
> > > Whether it takes a favorable view of Richard, I don't know, but it has to be better than Michael Hicks's "Who's Who in Medieval England" in that regard.
> > >
> > > How far back should we go on our Who's Who? Edward III? In a sense it all starts with him. And should we include people from the generation after Richard's, such as Sir Thomas More and Polydore Vergil, or only people directly associated with Richard or the Houses of York and Lancaster? Should we include retainers, such as Tyrell, Brampton, Lovell, and Ratcliffe, or just relatives?
> > >
> > > We could, in all seriousness, use the cast of characters in Shakespeare's Henry VI, Part 3, and Richard III as a jumping-off point.
> > >
> > > Carol
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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