Message to The Richard III Society

Hello All. At the risk of being thrown out of the Society I have sent emails to various members of the committee asking them what the Society is going to do about the present situation in Leicester re tomb and the results of the adjournment debate, I wait with bated breath.
Christine
Loyaulte me Lie

I think that's admirable Christine. No-one should throw you out for asking a very reasonable question. H



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From: "christineholmes651@..." <christineholmes651@...>
To:
Sent: Friday, 15 March 2013, 12:42
Subject: Message to The Richard III Society

 

Hello All. At the risk of being thrown out of the Society I have sent emails to various members of the committee asking them what the Society is going to do about the present situation in Leicester re tomb and the results of the adjournment debate, I wait with bated breath.
Christine
Loyaulte me Lie

Well done Christine...there does seem to be a dearth of information at the moment as to exactly what will be the next step that the Society will make in this worrying situation...Eileen

--- In , "christineholmes651@..." <christineholmes651@...> wrote:
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> Hello All. At the risk of being thrown out of the Society I have sent emails to various members of the committee asking them what the Society is going to do about the present situation in Leicester re tomb and the results of the adjournment debate, I wait with bated breath.
> Christine
> Loyaulte me Lie
>

I agree, and applaud. My question.....would it be better if we do this as individuals, or as members of the Society?

On Mar 15, 2013, at 8:01 AM, "Hilary Jones" <hjnatdat@...<mailto:hjnatdat@...>> wrote:



I think that's admirable Christine. No-one should throw you out for asking a very reasonable question. H

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From: "christineholmes651@...<mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>christineholmes651@...<mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>>
To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, 15 March 2013, 12:42
Subject: Message to The Richard III Society



Hello All. At the risk of being thrown out of the Society I have sent emails to various members of the committee asking them what the Society is going to do about the present situation in Leicester re tomb and the results of the adjournment debate, I wait with bated breath.
Christine
Loyaulte me Lie

I did wonder that as well Pamela. Have they, for example, an approved 'form letter' expressing our anxieties over certain issues that we could sign and send to the Uni?



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From: Pamela Bain <pbain@...>
To: "<>" <>
Sent: Friday, 15 March 2013, 13:39
Subject: Re: Message to The Richard III Society

 

I agree, and applaud. My question.....would it be better if we do this as individuals, or as members of the Society?

On Mar 15, 2013, at 8:01 AM, "Hilary Jones" <hjnatdat@...<mailto:hjnatdat@...>> wrote:



I think that's admirable Christine. No-one should throw you out for asking a very reasonable question. H

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From: "christineholmes651@...<mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>christineholmes651@...<mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>>
To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, 15 March 2013, 12:42
Subject: Message to The Richard III Society



Hello All. At the risk of being thrown out of the Society I have sent emails to various members of the committee asking them what the Society is going to do about the present situation in Leicester re tomb and the results of the adjournment debate, I wait with bated breath.
Christine
Loyaulte me Lie

Hello, I would suggest you do it as an individual and no it's unlikely they have any approved form of letters.
Christine

--- In , Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...> wrote:
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> I did wonder that as well Pamela. Have they, for example, an approved 'form letter' expressing our anxieties over certain issues that we could sign and send to the Uni?
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> From: Pamela Bain <pbain@...>
> To: "<>" <>
> Sent: Friday, 15 March 2013, 13:39
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> I agree, and applaud. My question.....would it be better if we do this as individuals, or as members of the Society?
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> On Mar 15, 2013, at 8:01 AM, "Hilary Jones" <hjnatdat@...<mailto:hjnatdat@...>> wrote:
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> I think that's admirable Christine. No-one should throw you out for asking a very reasonable question. H
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> From: "christineholmes651@...<mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>christineholmes651@...<mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>>
> To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, 15 March 2013, 12:42
> Subject: Message to The Richard III Society
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> Hello All. At the risk of being thrown out of the Society I have sent emails to various members of the committee asking them what the Society is going to do about the present situation in Leicester re tomb and the results of the adjournment debate, I wait with bated breath.
> Christine
> Loyaulte me Lie
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Thanks Christine. Will do 



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From: "christineholmes651@..." <christineholmes651@...>
To:
Sent: Friday, 15 March 2013, 13:47
Subject: Re: Message to The Richard III Society

 



Hello, I would suggest you do it as an individual and no it's unlikely they have any approved form of letters.
Christine

--- In , Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...> wrote:
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> I did wonder that as well Pamela. Have they, for example, an approved 'form letter' expressing our anxieties over certain issues that we could sign and send to the Uni?
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> From: Pamela Bain <pbain@...>
> To: "<>
> Sent: Friday, 15 March 2013, 13:39
> Subject: Re: Message to The Richard III Society
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> I agree, and applaud. My question.....would it be better if we do this as individuals, or as members of the Society?
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> On Mar 15, 2013, at 8:01 AM, "Hilary Jones" <hjnatdat@...<mailto:hjnatdat@...>> wrote:
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> I think that's admirable Christine. No-one should throw you out for asking a very reasonable question. H
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> From: "christineholmes651@...<mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>christineholmes651@...<mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>>
> To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, 15 March 2013, 12:42
> Subject: Message to The Richard III Society
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> Hello All. At the risk of being thrown out of the Society I have sent emails to various members of the committee asking them what the Society is going to do about the present situation in Leicester re tomb and the results of the adjournment debate, I wait with bated breath.
> Christine
> Loyaulte me Lie
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From: Pamela Bain
To: <>
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: Message to The Richard III Society



> I agree, and applaud. My question.....would it be better if we do this as
> individuals, or as members of the Society?

As individuals, otherwise we'll be seen as a single voice with one vote.

I'm with you, Christine. I was planning to do that myself. I'll wait and see what response you get. Whenever I've written to Phil, I've always found him to be prompt, friendly and responsive. I think many of us have been waiting to see what the Society asks us to do and I'm rather surprised that there's so far been no "official" response to the brief and the situation in general and no call to action. I did receive an email from Philippa recently but she offered no particular steps we could take in terms of letters, emails, etc. She is spitting mad about this, though, and as determined as ever that we will, in the end, prevail. I can only assume that they (the Society) are trying to get their ducks in a row and a true lay of the land (gosh, that's a lot of cliches there, sorry) before making an official response. Either that or they are working behind the scenes. I just wish we had some idea of what was really going on and what we can do to help. Though there is still plenty of time, at some point this will become a fait accompli.


--- In , "christineholmes651@..." <christineholmes651@...> wrote:
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> Hello All. At the risk of being thrown out of the Society I have sent emails to various members of the committee asking them what the Society is going to do about the present situation in Leicester re tomb and the results of the adjournment debate, I wait with bated breath.
> Christine
> Loyaulte me Lie
>

Hello. Thank you, I have not had an answer to my last email to Phil, I think he is a little fed up with me. I too am surprised that there has been no official response and am rather annoyed that no one is telling us what is happening re the society, they are not even contacting the branches. I hope for Richard's sake they are doing something.
I don't know about you but I think it's time someone from the committee took a look at what people are saying on the forum and the Society Facebook page, they would then know how many are feeling.
It's ok Phil saying that the committee are elected to run the Society and make decisions but they are after all responsible to the members.
Christine
Loyaulte me Lie
PS so far I have had a response from the secretaries, but not much info so far.

--- In , "Pamela" <ownwrite101@...> wrote:
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> I'm with you, Christine. I was planning to do that myself. I'll wait and see what response you get. Whenever I've written to Phil, I've always found him to be prompt, friendly and responsive. I think many of us have been waiting to see what the Society asks us to do and I'm rather surprised that there's so far been no "official" response to the brief and the situation in general and no call to action. I did receive an email from Philippa recently but she offered no particular steps we could take in terms of letters, emails, etc. She is spitting mad about this, though, and as determined as ever that we will, in the end, prevail. I can only assume that they (the Society) are trying to get their ducks in a row and a true lay of the land (gosh, that's a lot of cliches there, sorry) before making an official response. Either that or they are working behind the scenes. I just wish we had some idea of what was really going on and what we can do to help. Though there is still plenty of time, at some point this will become a fait accompli.
>
>
> --- In , "christineholmes651@" <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello All. At the risk of being thrown out of the Society I have sent emails to various members of the committee asking them what the Society is going to do about the present situation in Leicester re tomb and the results of the adjournment debate, I wait with bated breath.
> > Christine
> > Loyaulte me Lie
> >
>

Hello All, one answer from the Society.
Christine
Loyaulte me Lie


Hello Christine
As you know, the Society – collectively and individually – is very unhappy about the proposal from the Cathedral. There will be an opportunity for consultation and we can assure you that the Society will take a rigorous part in this. We remain hopeful that a mutually agreeable solution may be reached to ensure that Richard receives a suitable and fitting memorial tomb.

Have you voted via the Leicester Mercury? If not, here is the link:


--- In , "christineholmes651@..." <christineholmes651@...> wrote:
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> Hello. Thank you, I have not had an answer to my last email to Phil, I think he is a little fed up with me. I too am surprised that there has been no official response and am rather annoyed that no one is telling us what is happening re the society, they are not even contacting the branches. I hope for Richard's sake they are doing something.
> I don't know about you but I think it's time someone from the committee took a look at what people are saying on the forum and the Society Facebook page, they would then know how many are feeling.
> It's ok Phil saying that the committee are elected to run the Society and make decisions but they are after all responsible to the members.
> Christine
> Loyaulte me Lie
> PS so far I have had a response from the secretaries, but not much info so far.
>
> --- In , "Pamela" <ownwrite101@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I'm with you, Christine. I was planning to do that myself. I'll wait and see what response you get. Whenever I've written to Phil, I've always found him to be prompt, friendly and responsive. I think many of us have been waiting to see what the Society asks us to do and I'm rather surprised that there's so far been no "official" response to the brief and the situation in general and no call to action. I did receive an email from Philippa recently but she offered no particular steps we could take in terms of letters, emails, etc. She is spitting mad about this, though, and as determined as ever that we will, in the end, prevail. I can only assume that they (the Society) are trying to get their ducks in a row and a true lay of the land (gosh, that's a lot of cliches there, sorry) before making an official response. Either that or they are working behind the scenes. I just wish we had some idea of what was really going on and what we can do to help. Though there is still plenty of time, at some point this will become a fait accompli.
> >
> >
> > --- In , "christineholmes651@" <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello All. At the risk of being thrown out of the Society I have sent emails to various members of the committee asking them what the Society is going to do about the present situation in Leicester re tomb and the results of the adjournment debate, I wait with bated breath.
> > > Christine
> > > Loyaulte me Lie
> > >
> >
>

"Claire M Jordan" rote:

> As individuals, otherwise we'll be seen as a single voice with one vote.
>
Carol responds:

True, and also no one member represents the wishes of the group as a whole. However, if you're writing to Phil Stone or some other official or influential member of the R III Society, you should identify yourself as a member of the Society.

Carol

From: justcarol67
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:13 AM
Subject: Re: Message to The Richard III Society


> True, and also no one member represents the wishes of the group as a
> whole. However, if you're writing to Phil Stone or some other official or
> influential member of the R III Society, you should identify yourself as a
> member of the Society.

Except I'm not - I can't afford the subscription!

Hello All,
Please all of you take some action by email to either the Society or the various Leicester persons tell them how you feel please.
We all need to let them know how most of us feeling
Christine
Loyaulte me Lie


--- In , "christineholmes651@..." <christineholmes651@...> wrote:
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>
>
> Hello All, one answer from the Society.
> Christine
> Loyaulte me Lie
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>
> Hello Christine
> As you know, the Society – collectively and individually – is very unhappy about the proposal from the Cathedral. There will be an opportunity for consultation and we can assure you that the Society will take a rigorous part in this. We remain hopeful that a mutually agreeable solution may be reached to ensure that Richard receives a suitable and fitting memorial tomb.
>
> Have you voted via the Leicester Mercury? If not, here is the link:
>
>
> --- In , "christineholmes651@" <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello. Thank you, I have not had an answer to my last email to Phil, I think he is a little fed up with me. I too am surprised that there has been no official response and am rather annoyed that no one is telling us what is happening re the society, they are not even contacting the branches. I hope for Richard's sake they are doing something.
> > I don't know about you but I think it's time someone from the committee took a look at what people are saying on the forum and the Society Facebook page, they would then know how many are feeling.
> > It's ok Phil saying that the committee are elected to run the Society and make decisions but they are after all responsible to the members.
> > Christine
> > Loyaulte me Lie
> > PS so far I have had a response from the secretaries, but not much info so far.
> >
> > --- In , "Pamela" <ownwrite101@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm with you, Christine. I was planning to do that myself. I'll wait and see what response you get. Whenever I've written to Phil, I've always found him to be prompt, friendly and responsive. I think many of us have been waiting to see what the Society asks us to do and I'm rather surprised that there's so far been no "official" response to the brief and the situation in general and no call to action. I did receive an email from Philippa recently but she offered no particular steps we could take in terms of letters, emails, etc. She is spitting mad about this, though, and as determined as ever that we will, in the end, prevail. I can only assume that they (the Society) are trying to get their ducks in a row and a true lay of the land (gosh, that's a lot of cliches there, sorry) before making an official response. Either that or they are working behind the scenes. I just wish we had some idea of what was really going on and what we can do to help. Though there is still plenty of time, at some point this will become a fait accompli.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , "christineholmes651@" <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello All. At the risk of being thrown out of the Society I have sent emails to various members of the committee asking them what the Society is going to do about the present situation in Leicester re tomb and the results of the adjournment debate, I wait with bated breath.
> > > > Christine
> > > > Loyaulte me Lie
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

And of course to the Uni and York Minster.....Eileen

--- In , "christineholmes651@..." <christineholmes651@...> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
> Please all of you take some action by email to either the Society or the various Leicester persons tell them how you feel please.
> We all need to let them know how most of us feeling
> Christine
> Loyaulte me Lie
>
>
> --- In , "christineholmes651@" <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello All, one answer from the Society.
> > Christine
> > Loyaulte me Lie
> >
> >
> > Hello Christine
> > As you know, the Society – collectively and individually – is very unhappy about the proposal from the Cathedral. There will be an opportunity for consultation and we can assure you that the Society will take a rigorous part in this. We remain hopeful that a mutually agreeable solution may be reached to ensure that Richard receives a suitable and fitting memorial tomb.
> >
> > Have you voted via the Leicester Mercury? If not, here is the link:
> >
> >
> > --- In , "christineholmes651@" <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello. Thank you, I have not had an answer to my last email to Phil, I think he is a little fed up with me. I too am surprised that there has been no official response and am rather annoyed that no one is telling us what is happening re the society, they are not even contacting the branches. I hope for Richard's sake they are doing something.
> > > I don't know about you but I think it's time someone from the committee took a look at what people are saying on the forum and the Society Facebook page, they would then know how many are feeling.
> > > It's ok Phil saying that the committee are elected to run the Society and make decisions but they are after all responsible to the members.
> > > Christine
> > > Loyaulte me Lie
> > > PS so far I have had a response from the secretaries, but not much info so far.
> > >
> > > --- In , "Pamela" <ownwrite101@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm with you, Christine. I was planning to do that myself. I'll wait and see what response you get. Whenever I've written to Phil, I've always found him to be prompt, friendly and responsive. I think many of us have been waiting to see what the Society asks us to do and I'm rather surprised that there's so far been no "official" response to the brief and the situation in general and no call to action. I did receive an email from Philippa recently but she offered no particular steps we could take in terms of letters, emails, etc. She is spitting mad about this, though, and as determined as ever that we will, in the end, prevail. I can only assume that they (the Society) are trying to get their ducks in a row and a true lay of the land (gosh, that's a lot of cliches there, sorry) before making an official response. Either that or they are working behind the scenes. I just wish we had some idea of what was really going on and what we can do to help. Though there is still plenty of time, at some point this will become a fait accompli.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "christineholmes651@" <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello All. At the risk of being thrown out of the Society I have sent emails to various members of the committee asking them what the Society is going to do about the present situation in Leicester re tomb and the results of the adjournment debate, I wait with bated breath.
> > > > > Christine
> > > > > Loyaulte me Lie
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Carol earlier:
>
> > True, and also no one member represents the wishes of the group as a whole. However, if you're writing to Phil Stone or some other official or influential member of the R III Society, you should identify yourself as a member of the Society.

Claire responded:

> Except I'm not - I can't afford the subscription!

Carol again:

I meant "you" in the general sense represented more formally by "one": "If one is a member, one should . . ." Only now, I think it's best not to write to the Society execs at all as they already have their hands full doing what most of us want them to do.

As for writing to other authorities, best to do so as an individual without mentioning the Society. And even then, I wonder if having to answer a barrage of e-mail would slow them down in working toward a solution, assuming that those in charge read the messages at all rather than relegating them to a secretary.

Carol

Carol...I dont really think it is a good idea to put off writing/emailing to anyone who might have some sway in tbis worrying situation be it Society execs or any of the authorities, council or otherwise...It is only by people making their feelings known in numbers that will get something or anything done. I dont suppose every letter or email will get read in its entirety so should not delay anyone in getting on with stuff too much and in any case with the council underlings will just send out a basic letter of response just filling in the address and name of the person to whom they are replying...Its going to be tough to get anything done and only sheer weight of numbers is going to get them to wake up,smell the coffee and realise how many people have great strength of feeling regarding the reburial of Richard. I have come to realise over the years that only by making a nuisance of yourself will you ever get anything done...Eileen

--- In , "justcarol67" <justcarol67@...> wrote:
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> Carol earlier:
> >
> > > True, and also no one member represents the wishes of the group as a whole. However, if you're writing to Phil Stone or some other official or influential member of the R III Society, you should identify yourself as a member of the Society.
>
> Claire responded:
>
> > Except I'm not - I can't afford the subscription!
>
> Carol again:
>
> I meant "you" in the general sense represented more formally by "one": "If one is a member, one should . . ." Only now, I think it's best not to write to the Society execs at all as they already have their hands full doing what most of us want them to do.
>
> As for writing to other authorities, best to do so as an individual without mentioning the Society. And even then, I wonder if having to answer a barrage of e-mail would slow them down in working toward a solution, assuming that those in charge read the messages at all rather than relegating them to a secretary.
>
> Carol
>

I would endorse what Eileen says. Sometimes being too polite for fear of being a nuisance is counter-productive. The powers that be need to be able to measure the strength of feeling; even if most of what we send ends up in black plastic bags


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From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
To:
Sent: Saturday, 16 March 2013, 20:31
Subject: Re: Message to The Richard III Society


 

Carol...I dont really think it is a good idea to put off writing/emailing to anyone who might have some sway in tbis worrying situation be it Society execs or any of the authorities, council or otherwise...It is only by people making their feelings known in numbers that will get something or anything done. I dont suppose every letter or email will get read in its entirety so should not delay anyone in getting on with stuff too much and in any case with the council underlings will just send out a basic letter of response just filling in the address and name of the person to whom they are replying...Its going to be tough to get anything done and only sheer weight of numbers is going to get them to wake up,smell the coffee and realise how many people have great strength of feeling regarding the reburial of Richard. I have come to realise over the years that only by making a nuisance of yourself will you ever get anything done...Eileen

--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" <justcarol67@...> wrote:
>
> Carol earlier:
> >
> > > True, and also no one member represents the wishes of the group as a whole. However, if you're writing to Phil Stone or some other official or influential member of the R III Society, you should identify yourself as a member of the Society.
>
> Claire responded:
>
> > Except I'm not - I can't afford the subscription!
>
> Carol again:
>
> I meant "you" in the general sense represented more formally by "one": "If one is a member, one should . . ." Only now, I think it's best not to write to the Society execs at all as they already have their hands full doing what most of us want them to do.
>
> As for writing to other authorities, best to do so as an individual without mentioning the Society. And even then, I wonder if having to answer a barrage of e-mail would slow them down in working toward a solution, assuming that those in charge read the messages at all rather than relegating them to a secretary.
>
> Carol
>

--- In , "justcarol67" <justcarol67@...> wrote:
>
> As for writing to other authorities, best to do so as an individual without mentioning the Society.
>


Especially as the authorities must be made to understand that he was a King of *England* and its people.

He's not the property of Leicester and the University, but he doesn't belong to the Society and us Ricardians either.

This concerns the history and heritage of the whole country.

--- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
>
> Carol...I dont really think it is a good idea to put off writing/emailing to anyone who might have some sway in tbis worrying situation be it Society execs or any of the authorities, council or otherwise...It is only by people making their feelings known in numbers that will get something or anything done. I dont suppose every letter or email will get read in its entirety so should not delay anyone in getting on with stuff too much and in any case with the council underlings will just send out a basic letter of response just filling in the address and name of the person to whom they are replying...Its going to be tough to get anything done and only sheer weight of numbers is going to get them to wake up,smell the coffee and realise how many people have great strength of feeling regarding the reburial of Richard. I have come to realise over the years that only by making a nuisance of yourself will you ever get anything done...Eileen
>


Couldn't agree more, Eileen. Keeping silent at this point would be the worst possible strategy, in my opinion.

Speak up, or they'll never hear you!

Indeed, he is no one's property, but a long lost King of England, who should be treated with respect, dignity, and decorum.

On Mar 16, 2013, at 3:44 PM, "pansydobersby" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:



--- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, "justcarol67" <justcarol67@...> wrote:
>
> As for writing to other authorities, best to do so as an individual without mentioning the Society.
>

Especially as the authorities must be made to understand that he was a King of *England* and its people.

He's not the property of Leicester and the University, but he doesn't belong to the Society and us Ricardians either.

This concerns the history and heritage of the whole country.

Just as long as we don't write in green ink...!!!! :-D 

--- On Sat, 16/3/13, pansydobersby <[email protected]> wrote:

From: pansydobersby <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Message to The Richard III Society
To:
Date: Saturday, 16 March, 2013, 20:48
















 









--- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:

>

> Carol...I dont really think it is a good idea to put off writing/emailing to anyone who might have some sway in tbis worrying situation be it Society execs or any of the authorities, council or otherwise...It is only by people making their feelings known in numbers that will get something or anything done. I dont suppose every letter or email will get read in its entirety so should not delay anyone in getting on with stuff too much and in any case with the council underlings will just send out a basic letter of response just filling in the address and name of the person to whom they are replying...Its going to be tough to get anything done and only sheer weight of numbers is going to get them to wake up,smell the coffee and realise how many people have great strength of feeling regarding the reburial of Richard. I have come to realise over the years that only by making a nuisance of yourself will you ever get anything done...Eileen

>



Couldn't agree more, Eileen. Keeping silent at this point would be the worst possible strategy, in my opinion.



Speak up, or they'll never hear you!

--- In , Janet Ashton <jaangelfire@...> wrote:
>
> Just as long as we don't write in green ink...!!!! :-D 
>


Oh I don't know. Green ink has had such bad press over the years, but most of it is sheer propaganda...

*promptly hides one's green pens*

--- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
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> Carol...I dont really think it is a good idea to put off writing/emailing to anyone who might have some sway in tbis worrying situation be it Society execs or any of the authorities, council or otherwise...It is only by people making their feelings known in numbers that will get something or anything done. I dont suppose every letter or email will get read in its entirety so should not delay anyone in getting on with stuff too much and in any case with the council underlings will just send out a basic letter of response just filling in the address and name of the person to whom they are replying...Its going to be tough to get anything done and only sheer weight of numbers is going to get them to wake up,smell the coffee and realise how many people have great strength of feeling regarding the reburial of Richard. I have come to realise over the years that only by making a nuisance of yourself will you ever get anything done...Eileen

Carol responds:

Well, as long as we don't make a nuisance of ourselves to people who are already on our side and doing the best they can to work things out. Now if you want to plague the Leicester University officials, playing the role of gadfly instead of little fish, I have no objections. I just think that our friends in the upper echelons of the Society are already doing what we want them to do, and will have more time to do it if they're not answering messages from us.

We can think about who needs to wake up and smell the coffee (besides the obvious candidates, Leicester University and Leicester Cathedral). Possibly, York Minster can be alerted (if they don't already know) to Leicester Cathedral's space limitations. I don't know how English bureaucracy works, but it does seem that the Ministry of Justice and Hugh Bayley are already doing their part and don't need to be goaded into action. Leicester City Council, maybe? HRH, the Duke of Gloucester?

Essentially, who needs to be stung into action and who should be left unstung? (I'm thinking of Socrates, the gadfly of Athens.)

Carol

Pansy and even THEN its still going to be an uphill struggle...Remember Betty Davis said 'old age isnt for sissies'...same applies to getting a decent tomb/burial for Richard...:0) Eileen

--- In , pansydobersby <no_reply@...> wrote:
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> --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
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> > Carol...I dont really think it is a good idea to put off writing/emailing to anyone who might have some sway in tbis worrying situation be it Society execs or any of the authorities, council or otherwise...It is only by people making their feelings known in numbers that will get something or anything done. I dont suppose every letter or email will get read in its entirety so should not delay anyone in getting on with stuff too much and in any case with the council underlings will just send out a basic letter of response just filling in the address and name of the person to whom they are replying...Its going to be tough to get anything done and only sheer weight of numbers is going to get them to wake up,smell the coffee and realise how many people have great strength of feeling regarding the reburial of Richard. I have come to realise over the years that only by making a nuisance of yourself will you ever get anything done...Eileen
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> Couldn't agree more, Eileen. Keeping silent at this point would be the worst possible strategy, in my opinion.
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> Speak up, or they'll never hear you!
>

From: Janet Ashton
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: Message to The Richard III Society


> Just as long as we don't write in green ink...!!!! :-D

Or ALL IN CAPITALS - when I used to live in Crystal Palace there actually
was someone who used to post strange religious tracts in the window of a
local newsagent, all in green biro caps.

Hello All Please listen to these people, they are right, we need to make our feelings known NOW before its too late.
Christine
Loyaulte me Lie

--- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
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> Pansy and even THEN its still going to be an uphill struggle...Remember Betty Davis said 'old age isnt for sissies'...same applies to getting a decent tomb/burial for Richard...:0) Eileen
>
> --- In , pansydobersby <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Carol...I dont really think it is a good idea to put off writing/emailing to anyone who might have some sway in tbis worrying situation be it Society execs or any of the authorities, council or otherwise...It is only by people making their feelings known in numbers that will get something or anything done. I dont suppose every letter or email will get read in its entirety so should not delay anyone in getting on with stuff too much and in any case with the council underlings will just send out a basic letter of response just filling in the address and name of the person to whom they are replying...Its going to be tough to get anything done and only sheer weight of numbers is going to get them to wake up,smell the coffee and realise how many people have great strength of feeling regarding the reburial of Richard. I have come to realise over the years that only by making a nuisance of yourself will you ever get anything done...Eileen
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> >
> >
> > Couldn't agree more, Eileen. Keeping silent at this point would be the worst possible strategy, in my opinion.
> >
> > Speak up, or they'll never hear you!
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