Michael Jones - 'Bosworth 1485'

Just finished reading this on the basis of various recommendations here, and I'm highly impressed.  While I have issues - some of them major - with the gloss he puts on events, I find his attempts to explain the late medieval mind-set very compelling, and the Richard he presents is nuanced, human and very convincing.  And, most importantly, I think that characterisation remains plausible even if you discount Jones's interpretation of what happened in 1483.

Particularly intrigued by his citing of a "pedigree roll drawn up for the de la Poles early in the Tudor period".  Has anyone come across that and is it, perhaps, available online anywhere?

Jonathan

No but if you do, I must see it!
How early? 1485-7 when Lincoln was "onside"? 1487-99 before Edmund left for France?
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Just finished reading this on the basis of various recommendations here, and I'm highly impressed. While I have issues - some of them major - with the gloss he puts on events, I find his attempts to explain the late medieval mind-set very compelling, and the Richard he presents is nuanced, human and very convincing. And, most importantly, I think that characterisation remains plausible even if you discount Jones's interpretation of what happened in 1483.

Particularly intrigued by his citing of a "pedigree roll drawn up for the de la Poles early in the Tudor period". Has anyone come across that and is it, perhaps, available online anywhere?

Jonathan

Jones goes on to say:

'The pedigree is dominated by a fine portrait roundel of Richard III in the centre of the roll...  No title is accorded to Edward V... who is simply said to have "died without issue in his youth".  The accession of Henry VII receives scant respect... and is the occasion of a slighting remark about Henry's grandfather, Owen Tudor.  The purpose of the pedigree is clearly to extol the legitimate rule of Richard III...  It is emphasised that this has been done with the consent of the nobility of the land.'

The reference is:

Philip Morgan, '"Those were the days": a Yorkist pedigree roll" in 'Estrangement, Enterprise and Education in Fifteenth-Century England', ed. S D Michalove and A Compton Reeves (Stroud, 1998), pp. 107-16 and plate 1.

Jonathan




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No but if you do, I must see it!
How early? 1485-7 when Lincoln was "onside"? 1487-99 before Edmund left for France?
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Evans
To: Richard III Society Forum
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:09 PM
Subject: Michael Jones - 'Bosworth 1485'

Just finished reading this on the basis of various recommendations here, and I'm highly impressed. While I have issues - some of them major - with the gloss he puts on events, I find his attempts to explain the late medieval mind-set very compelling, and the Richard he presents is nuanced, human and very convincing. And, most importantly, I think that characterisation remains plausible even if you discount Jones's interpretation of what happened in 1483.

Particularly intrigued by his citing of a "pedigree roll drawn up for the de la Poles early in the Tudor period". Has anyone come across that and is it, perhaps, available online anywhere?

Jonathan

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> Philip Morgan, '"Those were the days": a Yorkist pedigree roll" in
> 'Estrangement, Enterprise and Education in Fifteenth-Century England', ed.
> S D Michalove and A Compton Reeves (Stroud, 1998), pp. 107-16 and plate 1.

Available on abebooks for less than $10 - and there are 15 copies on there.

This is exceptionally useful. I have Jones but have never read it whilst thinking about the de la Poles.
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From: Jonathan Evans
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> Philip Morgan, '"Those were the days": a Yorkist pedigree roll" in
> 'Estrangement, Enterprise and Education in Fifteenth-Century England', ed.
> S D Michalove and A Compton Reeves (Stroud, 1998), pp. 107-16 and plate 1.

Available on abebooks for less than $10 - and there are 15 copies on there.