New Dean
New Dean
2013-03-24 00:41:17
Hello Forum members,
If anybody is planning to write to the authorities in Leicester Cathedral & is prepared to delay for a while a new Dean has been appointed with effect from May 18th.
The new Dean is one Rev Canon David Monteith, currently Canon Chancellor of said cathedral. I don't know what that entails but he will be aware of the protests about the design brief.
Jan.
If anybody is planning to write to the authorities in Leicester Cathedral & is prepared to delay for a while a new Dean has been appointed with effect from May 18th.
The new Dean is one Rev Canon David Monteith, currently Canon Chancellor of said cathedral. I don't know what that entails but he will be aware of the protests about the design brief.
Jan.
Re: New Dean
2013-03-24 11:24:14
Thank you for this Jan. So if the appointment of the new Dean was "imminent" why on earth was tha Acting Dean allowed to handle the briefing on the Tomb?
--- In , "janmulrenan@..." <janmulrenan@...> wrote:
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> Hello Forum members,
>
> If anybody is planning to write to the authorities in Leicester Cathedral & is prepared to delay for a while a new Dean has been appointed with effect from May 18th.
> The new Dean is one Rev Canon David Monteith, currently Canon Chancellor of said cathedral. I don't know what that entails but he will be aware of the protests about the design brief.
>
> Jan.
>
--- In , "janmulrenan@..." <janmulrenan@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Forum members,
>
> If anybody is planning to write to the authorities in Leicester Cathedral & is prepared to delay for a while a new Dean has been appointed with effect from May 18th.
> The new Dean is one Rev Canon David Monteith, currently Canon Chancellor of said cathedral. I don't know what that entails but he will be aware of the protests about the design brief.
>
> Jan.
>
Re: New Dean
2013-03-24 12:12:47
Well, the Acting Dean must have been in post when the excavation started & it fell to him to deal with the result & the briefing, I suppose. Something so unexpected & important could not have been postponed another 2 months.
Jan.
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On 24 Mar 2013, at 11:24, "ricard1an" <maryfriend@...> wrote:
> Thank you for this Jan. So if the appointment of the new Dean was "imminent" why on earth was tha Acting Dean allowed to handle the briefing on the Tomb?
>
> --- In , "janmulrenan@..." <janmulrenan@...> wrote:
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> > Hello Forum members,
> >
> > If anybody is planning to write to the authorities in Leicester Cathedral & is prepared to delay for a while a new Dean has been appointed with effect from May 18th.
> > The new Dean is one Rev Canon David Monteith, currently Canon Chancellor of said cathedral. I don't know what that entails but he will be aware of the protests about the design brief.
> >
> > Jan.
> >
>
>
Jan.
Sent from my iPad
On 24 Mar 2013, at 11:24, "ricard1an" <maryfriend@...> wrote:
> Thank you for this Jan. So if the appointment of the new Dean was "imminent" why on earth was tha Acting Dean allowed to handle the briefing on the Tomb?
>
> --- In , "janmulrenan@..." <janmulrenan@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Forum members,
> >
> > If anybody is planning to write to the authorities in Leicester Cathedral & is prepared to delay for a while a new Dean has been appointed with effect from May 18th.
> > The new Dean is one Rev Canon David Monteith, currently Canon Chancellor of said cathedral. I don't know what that entails but he will be aware of the protests about the design brief.
> >
> > Jan.
> >
>
>
Re: New Dean
2013-03-24 14:19:23
--- In , "janmulrenan@..." <janmulrenan@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Forum members,
>
> If anybody is planning to write to the authorities in Leicester Cathedral & is prepared to delay for a while a new Dean has been appointed with effect from May 18th.
> The new Dean is one Rev Canon David Monteith, currently Canon Chancellor of said cathedral. I don't know what that entails but he will be aware of the protests about the design brief.
>
> Jan.
>
Carol responds:
You can find earlier statements by Dr.(?) Monteith online (sorry, don't know what to call him and "Rev. Canon" is awkward). Here's one of them, from February 4:
"'These are the mortal remains of a person, an anointed Christian king who shared the faith proclaimed by the cathedral, a faith which promises redemption and hope ... to bring victory out of defeat,' said David Monteith, Canon Chancellor at the Cathedral. Asked if the ceremony would be a royal affair, he said: 'I'm sure those in London are watching carefully today.'"
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/04/us-britain-richard-idUSBRE9130BW20130204
That sounds promising as far as it goes. There's also this bit:
"Canon David Monteith said work had begun on an appropriate service for Richard, a multi-faith ceremony befitting one of the most racially diverse cities in England."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/feb/05/richard-iii-body-leicester-york
That strikes me as a bit odd since I don't see how racial diversity in 2013 relates to Richard III, whose England was a very different and exclusively Catholic place. I can see a primarily Catholic service incorporating Anglican elements or, more likely, a primarily Anglican service incorporating Catholic elements, and, of course, Christian services already incorporate elements of Judaism, but if the authorities think they need to incorporate elements of Islam, Hinduism, or Buddhism, I think they're taking ecumenism too far. Richard, for all his tolerance, would not understand. For him, Christianity was the True Faith. Our own religious views or lack thereof are irrelevant to what's appropriate to the reburial service of a fifteenth-century English king.
I'm sure that a quick Google search will turn up more quotes by Mr./Dr. Monteith. I do like the first quote.
Carol
>
> Hello Forum members,
>
> If anybody is planning to write to the authorities in Leicester Cathedral & is prepared to delay for a while a new Dean has been appointed with effect from May 18th.
> The new Dean is one Rev Canon David Monteith, currently Canon Chancellor of said cathedral. I don't know what that entails but he will be aware of the protests about the design brief.
>
> Jan.
>
Carol responds:
You can find earlier statements by Dr.(?) Monteith online (sorry, don't know what to call him and "Rev. Canon" is awkward). Here's one of them, from February 4:
"'These are the mortal remains of a person, an anointed Christian king who shared the faith proclaimed by the cathedral, a faith which promises redemption and hope ... to bring victory out of defeat,' said David Monteith, Canon Chancellor at the Cathedral. Asked if the ceremony would be a royal affair, he said: 'I'm sure those in London are watching carefully today.'"
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/04/us-britain-richard-idUSBRE9130BW20130204
That sounds promising as far as it goes. There's also this bit:
"Canon David Monteith said work had begun on an appropriate service for Richard, a multi-faith ceremony befitting one of the most racially diverse cities in England."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/feb/05/richard-iii-body-leicester-york
That strikes me as a bit odd since I don't see how racial diversity in 2013 relates to Richard III, whose England was a very different and exclusively Catholic place. I can see a primarily Catholic service incorporating Anglican elements or, more likely, a primarily Anglican service incorporating Catholic elements, and, of course, Christian services already incorporate elements of Judaism, but if the authorities think they need to incorporate elements of Islam, Hinduism, or Buddhism, I think they're taking ecumenism too far. Richard, for all his tolerance, would not understand. For him, Christianity was the True Faith. Our own religious views or lack thereof are irrelevant to what's appropriate to the reburial service of a fifteenth-century English king.
I'm sure that a quick Google search will turn up more quotes by Mr./Dr. Monteith. I do like the first quote.
Carol
Re: New Dean
2013-03-24 15:46:29
Saracens at Richard's funeral!
--- In , "justcarol67" <justcarol67@...> wrote:
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> --- In , "janmulrenan@" <janmulrenan@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Forum members,
> >
> > If anybody is planning to write to the authorities in Leicester Cathedral & is prepared to delay for a while a new Dean has been appointed with effect from May 18th.
> > The new Dean is one Rev Canon David Monteith, currently Canon Chancellor of said cathedral. I don't know what that entails but he will be aware of the protests about the design brief.
> >
> > Jan.
> >
> Carol responds:
>
> You can find earlier statements by Dr.(?) Monteith online (sorry, don't know what to call him and "Rev. Canon" is awkward). Here's one of them, from February 4:
>
> "'These are the mortal remains of a person, an anointed Christian king who shared the faith proclaimed by the cathedral, a faith which promises redemption and hope ... to bring victory out of defeat,' said David Monteith, Canon Chancellor at the Cathedral. Asked if the ceremony would be a royal affair, he said: 'I'm sure those in London are watching carefully today.'"
>
> http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/04/us-britain-richard-idUSBRE9130BW20130204
>
> That sounds promising as far as it goes. There's also this bit:
>
> "Canon David Monteith said work had begun on an appropriate service for Richard, a multi-faith ceremony befitting one of the most racially diverse cities in England."
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/feb/05/richard-iii-body-leicester-york
>
> That strikes me as a bit odd since I don't see how racial diversity in 2013 relates to Richard III, whose England was a very different and exclusively Catholic place. I can see a primarily Catholic service incorporating Anglican elements or, more likely, a primarily Anglican service incorporating Catholic elements, and, of course, Christian services already incorporate elements of Judaism, but if the authorities think they need to incorporate elements of Islam, Hinduism, or Buddhism, I think they're taking ecumenism too far. Richard, for all his tolerance, would not understand. For him, Christianity was the True Faith. Our own religious views or lack thereof are irrelevant to what's appropriate to the reburial service of a fifteenth-century English king.
>
> I'm sure that a quick Google search will turn up more quotes by Mr./Dr. Monteith. I do like the first quote.
>
> Carol
>
--- In , "justcarol67" <justcarol67@...> wrote:
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>
>
> --- In , "janmulrenan@" <janmulrenan@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Forum members,
> >
> > If anybody is planning to write to the authorities in Leicester Cathedral & is prepared to delay for a while a new Dean has been appointed with effect from May 18th.
> > The new Dean is one Rev Canon David Monteith, currently Canon Chancellor of said cathedral. I don't know what that entails but he will be aware of the protests about the design brief.
> >
> > Jan.
> >
> Carol responds:
>
> You can find earlier statements by Dr.(?) Monteith online (sorry, don't know what to call him and "Rev. Canon" is awkward). Here's one of them, from February 4:
>
> "'These are the mortal remains of a person, an anointed Christian king who shared the faith proclaimed by the cathedral, a faith which promises redemption and hope ... to bring victory out of defeat,' said David Monteith, Canon Chancellor at the Cathedral. Asked if the ceremony would be a royal affair, he said: 'I'm sure those in London are watching carefully today.'"
>
> http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/04/us-britain-richard-idUSBRE9130BW20130204
>
> That sounds promising as far as it goes. There's also this bit:
>
> "Canon David Monteith said work had begun on an appropriate service for Richard, a multi-faith ceremony befitting one of the most racially diverse cities in England."
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/feb/05/richard-iii-body-leicester-york
>
> That strikes me as a bit odd since I don't see how racial diversity in 2013 relates to Richard III, whose England was a very different and exclusively Catholic place. I can see a primarily Catholic service incorporating Anglican elements or, more likely, a primarily Anglican service incorporating Catholic elements, and, of course, Christian services already incorporate elements of Judaism, but if the authorities think they need to incorporate elements of Islam, Hinduism, or Buddhism, I think they're taking ecumenism too far. Richard, for all his tolerance, would not understand. For him, Christianity was the True Faith. Our own religious views or lack thereof are irrelevant to what's appropriate to the reburial service of a fifteenth-century English king.
>
> I'm sure that a quick Google search will turn up more quotes by Mr./Dr. Monteith. I do like the first quote.
>
> Carol
>
Re: New Dean
2013-03-24 16:09:30
Hello Forum members,
If you want to write to someone with a title or particular status try Debretts Online. I found that helpful when I wrote. My husband is a Lay Canon ( sounds wonderful ) & gets Canon Xxxx Yyyy on his diocesan mailings. As a letter salutation try Dear Canon Monteith.
As for ecumenism it seems suitable to invite representatives of Leicester 's faiths, to offer them opportunities to read & sing, if they feel able, but the order of service & the prayers should IMO be Catholic, or Anglican where the two coincide.
Where next?
Jan.
Sent from my iPad
On 24 Mar 2013, at 15:46, "favefauve@..." <favefauve@...> wrote:
> Saracens at Richard's funeral!
>
> --- In , "justcarol67" <justcarol67@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In , "janmulrenan@" <janmulrenan@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Forum members,
> > >
> > > If anybody is planning to write to the authorities in Leicester Cathedral & is prepared to delay for a while a new Dean has been appointed with effect from May 18th.
> > > The new Dean is one Rev Canon David Monteith, currently Canon Chancellor of said cathedral. I don't know what that entails but he will be aware of the protests about the design brief.
> > >
> > > Jan.
> > >
> > Carol responds:
> >
> > You can find earlier statements by Dr.(?) Monteith online (sorry, don't know what to call him and "Rev. Canon" is awkward). Here's one of them, from February 4:
> >
> > "'These are the mortal remains of a person, an anointed Christian king who shared the faith proclaimed by the cathedral, a faith which promises redemption and hope ... to bring victory out of defeat,' said David Monteith, Canon Chancellor at the Cathedral. Asked if the ceremony would be a royal affair, he said: 'I'm sure those in London are watching carefully today.'"
> >
> > http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/04/us-britain-richard-idUSBRE9130BW20130204
> >
> > That sounds promising as far as it goes. There's also this bit:
> >
> > "Canon David Monteith said work had begun on an appropriate service for Richard, a multi-faith ceremony befitting one of the most racially diverse cities in England."
> >
> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/feb/05/richard-iii-body-leicester-york
> >
> > That strikes me as a bit odd since I don't see how racial diversity in 2013 relates to Richard III, whose England was a very different and exclusively Catholic place. I can see a primarily Catholic service incorporating Anglican elements or, more likely, a primarily Anglican service incorporating Catholic elements, and, of course, Christian services already incorporate elements of Judaism, but if the authorities think they need to incorporate elements of Islam, Hinduism, or Buddhism, I think they're taking ecumenism too far. Richard, for all his tolerance, would not understand. For him, Christianity was the True Faith. Our own religious views or lack thereof are irrelevant to what's appropriate to the reburial service of a fifteenth-century English king.
> >
> > I'm sure that a quick Google search will turn up more quotes by Mr./Dr. Monteith. I do like the first quote.
> >
> > Carol
> >
>
>
If you want to write to someone with a title or particular status try Debretts Online. I found that helpful when I wrote. My husband is a Lay Canon ( sounds wonderful ) & gets Canon Xxxx Yyyy on his diocesan mailings. As a letter salutation try Dear Canon Monteith.
As for ecumenism it seems suitable to invite representatives of Leicester 's faiths, to offer them opportunities to read & sing, if they feel able, but the order of service & the prayers should IMO be Catholic, or Anglican where the two coincide.
Where next?
Jan.
Sent from my iPad
On 24 Mar 2013, at 15:46, "favefauve@..." <favefauve@...> wrote:
> Saracens at Richard's funeral!
>
> --- In , "justcarol67" <justcarol67@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In , "janmulrenan@" <janmulrenan@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Forum members,
> > >
> > > If anybody is planning to write to the authorities in Leicester Cathedral & is prepared to delay for a while a new Dean has been appointed with effect from May 18th.
> > > The new Dean is one Rev Canon David Monteith, currently Canon Chancellor of said cathedral. I don't know what that entails but he will be aware of the protests about the design brief.
> > >
> > > Jan.
> > >
> > Carol responds:
> >
> > You can find earlier statements by Dr.(?) Monteith online (sorry, don't know what to call him and "Rev. Canon" is awkward). Here's one of them, from February 4:
> >
> > "'These are the mortal remains of a person, an anointed Christian king who shared the faith proclaimed by the cathedral, a faith which promises redemption and hope ... to bring victory out of defeat,' said David Monteith, Canon Chancellor at the Cathedral. Asked if the ceremony would be a royal affair, he said: 'I'm sure those in London are watching carefully today.'"
> >
> > http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/04/us-britain-richard-idUSBRE9130BW20130204
> >
> > That sounds promising as far as it goes. There's also this bit:
> >
> > "Canon David Monteith said work had begun on an appropriate service for Richard, a multi-faith ceremony befitting one of the most racially diverse cities in England."
> >
> > http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/feb/05/richard-iii-body-leicester-york
> >
> > That strikes me as a bit odd since I don't see how racial diversity in 2013 relates to Richard III, whose England was a very different and exclusively Catholic place. I can see a primarily Catholic service incorporating Anglican elements or, more likely, a primarily Anglican service incorporating Catholic elements, and, of course, Christian services already incorporate elements of Judaism, but if the authorities think they need to incorporate elements of Islam, Hinduism, or Buddhism, I think they're taking ecumenism too far. Richard, for all his tolerance, would not understand. For him, Christianity was the True Faith. Our own religious views or lack thereof are irrelevant to what's appropriate to the reburial service of a fifteenth-century English king.
> >
> > I'm sure that a quick Google search will turn up more quotes by Mr./Dr. Monteith. I do like the first quote.
> >
> > Carol
> >
>
>
Re: New Dean
2013-03-24 16:21:57
From: Jan Mulrenan
To:
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: Re: New Dean
> As for ecumenism it seems suitable to invite representatives of Leicester
's faiths, to offer them opportunities to read & sing, if they feel able,
but the order of service & the prayers should IMO be Catholic, or Anglican
where the two coincide.
It's an interesting twist because it's making him a king in *modern* Britain
although, as you say, the actual service should reflect his own faith....
To:
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: Re: New Dean
> As for ecumenism it seems suitable to invite representatives of Leicester
's faiths, to offer them opportunities to read & sing, if they feel able,
but the order of service & the prayers should IMO be Catholic, or Anglican
where the two coincide.
It's an interesting twist because it's making him a king in *modern* Britain
although, as you say, the actual service should reflect his own faith....
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