Children speak out on tomb vs. slab debate

Some Leicester school children, having spent weeks learning about Richard III, are expressing surprisingly articulate views regarding whether he should have a tomb or a slab:

http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Children-write-Mercury-say-king/story-18533816-detail/story.html?ito=email_newsletter_thisisleicestershire#axzz2Ojfx8ksP

BTW, anyone who wants to express a view but isn't sure whom to write to might want to follow their example and write a letter to the editor of a Leicester (or York or London) newspaper, preferably one with a large circulation (and a good reputation).

Oh, and someone should tell Richard's "descendants" that their "ancestor" Richard III was never known as "Richard of York."

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Carol

I have only just joined the forum and found the debate very interesting, especially the links to info new to me.
Am replying, rather late to this one, as I've been away. Like you I become rather impatient with references describing RIII as Richard of York. I have never come across any reference to this 'title' in all my 40 years of reading, but it seems to be repeated in the press & in posts on RIII Facebook site. Is there any way to dissuade the use of this nomenclature, as it seems to give credence to the arguments of the 'descendents'? Perhaps the Scociety should give a list of his titles. Or am I being petty & naive?

--- In , "justcarol67" <justcarol67@...> wrote:
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> Some Leicester school children, having spent weeks learning about Richard III, are expressing surprisingly articulate views regarding whether he should have a tomb or a slab:
>
> http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Children-write-Mercury-say-king/story-18533816-detail/story.html?ito=email_newsletter_thisisleicestershire#axzz2Ojfx8ksP
>
> BTW, anyone who wants to express a view but isn't sure whom to write to might want to follow their example and write a letter to the editor of a Leicester (or York or London) newspaper, preferably one with a large circulation (and a good reputation).
>
> Oh, and someone should tell Richard's "descendants" that their "ancestor" Richard III was never known as "Richard of York."
>
> http://kingrichardcampaign.org.uk/r3wp/welcome/news-announcements/
>
> Carol
>

I agree that the term "Richard of York" is confusing and slightly inaccurate: not wholly so, since he was Richard of York in his junior days, and people do refer to Anne of York, Elizabeth of York etc - the use of this phrase, whilst not technically Richard's "title", is suggestive of his deep connections with York and coming from the House of York. He was, indeed, Richard, Duke of Gloucester, of the House of York. His most personal life-connections seem to be with York as a city.

I think the phrase "as it seems to give credence to the arguments of the 'descendents'" in your post is unnecessary. There will be strong opinions here on the re-interment location and the legal challenge, and some folk here will be supportive of the attempt to legally challenge the current reinterment licence, regardless of whether the precise "technically correct" title for Richard has been used. Whilst this "mis-use" of the phrase may be frustrating generally, it really has nothing to do with the validity of the pro-York-reinterment position or the collateral descendants' legal challenge in particular.


--- In , "jumikmac" <jumikmac@...> wrote:
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> I have only just joined the forum and found the debate very interesting, especially the links to info new to me.
> Am replying, rather late to this one, as I've been away. Like you I become rather impatient with references describing RIII as Richard of York. I have never come across any reference to this 'title' in all my 40 years of reading, but it seems to be repeated in the press & in posts on RIII Facebook site. Is there any way to dissuade the use of this nomenclature, as it seems to give credence to the arguments of the 'descendents'? Perhaps the Scociety should give a list of his titles. Or am I being petty & naive?
>
> --- In , "justcarol67" <justcarol67@> wrote:
> >
> > Some Leicester school children, having spent weeks learning about Richard III, are expressing surprisingly articulate views regarding whether he should have a tomb or a slab:
> >
> > http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Children-write-Mercury-say-king/story-18533816-detail/story.html?ito=email_newsletter_thisisleicestershire#axzz2Ojfx8ksP
> >
> > BTW, anyone who wants to express a view but isn't sure whom to write to might want to follow their example and write a letter to the editor of a Leicester (or York or London) newspaper, preferably one with a large circulation (and a good reputation).
> >
> > Oh, and someone should tell Richard's "descendants" that their "ancestor" Richard III was never known as "Richard of York."
> >
> > http://kingrichardcampaign.org.uk/r3wp/welcome/news-announcements/
> >
> > Carol
> >
>

Thankyou for your reply and I take your comments on board that the 'of York' could mean just that rather than the title. Unfortunately it is a term that is open to misrepresentation and 'mis-use' as you say. On reflection my phrase does come across too strong. I apologise in advance if I have overstepped the mark; it was not my intention to question the validity of the pro-York interment position. I would like to think I have respect for all opinions, even if they differ from my own.


--- In , colyngbourne <no_reply@...> wrote:
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> I agree that the term "Richard of York" is confusing and slightly inaccurate: not wholly so, since he was Richard of York in his junior days, and people do refer to Anne of York, Elizabeth of York etc - the use of this phrase, whilst not technically Richard's "title", is suggestive of his deep connections with York and coming from the House of York. He was, indeed, Richard, Duke of Gloucester, of the House of York. His most personal life-connections seem to be with York as a city.
>
> I think the phrase "as it seems to give credence to the arguments of the 'descendents'" in your post is unnecessary. There will be strong opinions here on the re-interment location and the legal challenge, and some folk here will be supportive of the attempt to legally challenge the current reinterment licence, regardless of whether the precise "technically correct" title for Richard has been used. Whilst this "mis-use" of the phrase may be frustrating generally, it really has nothing to do with the validity of the pro-York-reinterment position or the collateral descendants' legal challenge in particular.
>
>
> --- In , "jumikmac" <jumikmac@> wrote:
> >
> > I have only just joined the forum and found the debate very interesting, especially the links to info new to me.
> > Am replying, rather late to this one, as I've been away. Like you I become rather impatient with references describing RIII as Richard of York. I have never come across any reference to this 'title' in all my 40 years of reading, but it seems to be repeated in the press & in posts on RIII Facebook site. Is there any way to dissuade the use of this nomenclature, as it seems to give credence to the arguments of the 'descendents'? Perhaps the Scociety should give a list of his titles. Or am I being petty & naive?
> >
> > --- In , "justcarol67" <justcarol67@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Some Leicester school children, having spent weeks learning about Richard III, are expressing surprisingly articulate views regarding whether he should have a tomb or a slab:
> > >
> > > http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Children-write-Mercury-say-king/story-18533816-detail/story.html?ito=email_newsletter_thisisleicestershire#axzz2Ojfx8ksP
> > >
> > > BTW, anyone who wants to express a view but isn't sure whom to write to might want to follow their example and write a letter to the editor of a Leicester (or York or London) newspaper, preferably one with a large circulation (and a good reputation).
> > >
> > > Oh, and someone should tell Richard's "descendants" that their "ancestor" Richard III was never known as "Richard of York."
> > >
> > > http://kingrichardcampaign.org.uk/r3wp/welcome/news-announcements/
> > >
> > > Carol
> > >
> >
>