Thought for the day

Hello Forum members,
You might like to know that yesterday Bishop Tom Butler spoke on Thought for the Day on Radio 4, that being 1st. May. He spoke almost entirely on the reburial of "our" king & I bet this is due to the legal challenge being mounted. It was a neutral enough piece but it's always good to have Richard's name brought up in a new public area, like the Economist doing his obituary. I only caught half of it but if you have BBC IPlayer you can hear it within the next 5 days, I think. It lasts just under 3 minutes. It's buried in the Today programme at about 7.50 am.
Extracts: "Both deans ( York & Leicester) are receiving heated letters on the subject; some people obviously feel mighty strongly about Richard III. To be fair, if there hadn't been an almost obsessional campaign to attempt to locate & then dig up his body the funds & expertise wouldn't have been found to do the investigation. That's sometimes the way life is. King Richard III was an able enough king during his short reign but his name of course has been besmirched by the way he assumed the crown & the disappearance of the Princes in the Tower. It wasn't only Shakespeare who saw Richard's hand in that dark deed....................since Biblical times it's been our tradition to respect the dead & ensure that their remains, ultimately bones & dust, are treated with reverence & given a dignified place in church or cemetery whilst the essential person who temporarily inhabited that body in the Christian tradition is commended to the grace & goodness of God......."
There will be those who think God should be mentioned rather more in what is meant to be a religious radio item where Sikhs, Jews & Buddhists also get representation & those who are exasperated by Bishop Tom's tepid attitude to our hero, but clearly some notice has been taken of our agitation & of the legal challenge. So we must keep agitating & challenging.
Bishop Tom is a former Bishop of Leicester & now lives in Yorkshire. He broadcast from Leeds. I don't know what his current bishopric is but I can find out.
Jan.

Does anyone really think heated letters to York are the way to persuade the Minster authorities that Richard is someone they would like to see buried there?
Marie



--- In , "janmulrenan@..." <janmulrenan@...> wrote:
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> Hello Forum members,
> You might like to know that yesterday Bishop Tom Butler spoke on Thought for the Day on Radio 4, that being 1st. May. He spoke almost entirely on the reburial of "our" king & I bet this is due to the legal challenge being mounted. It was a neutral enough piece but it's always good to have Richard's name brought up in a new public area, like the Economist doing his obituary. I only caught half of it but if you have BBC IPlayer you can hear it within the next 5 days, I think. It lasts just under 3 minutes. It's buried in the Today programme at about 7.50 am.
> Extracts: "Both deans ( York & Leicester) are receiving heated letters on the subject; some people obviously feel mighty strongly about Richard III. To be fair, if there hadn't been an almost obsessional campaign to attempt to locate & then dig up his body the funds & expertise wouldn't have been found to do the investigation. That's sometimes the way life is. King Richard III was an able enough king during his short reign but his name of course has been besmirched by the way he assumed the crown & the disappearance of the Princes in the Tower. It wasn't only Shakespeare who saw Richard's hand in that dark deed....................since Biblical times it's been our tradition to respect the dead & ensure that their remains, ultimately bones & dust, are treated with reverence & given a dignified place in church or cemetery whilst the essential person who temporarily inhabited that body in the Christian tradition is commended to the grace & goodness of God......."
> There will be those who think God should be mentioned rather more in what is meant to be a religious radio item where Sikhs, Jews & Buddhists also get representation & those who are exasperated by Bishop Tom's tepid attitude to our hero, but clearly some notice has been taken of our agitation & of the legal challenge. So we must keep agitating & challenging.
> Bishop Tom is a former Bishop of Leicester & now lives in Yorkshire. He broadcast from Leeds. I don't know what his current bishopric is but I can find out.
> Jan.
>

You can keep heat out of a challenge or a letter to stir things up but you need to reflect on what to write first. I thought quite hard about how to express myself when I wrote to authorities in Leicester.
Jan.

Sent from my iPad

On 3 May 2013, at 13:14, mariewalsh2003 <[email protected]> wrote:

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> Does anyone really think heated letters to York are the way to persuade the Minster authorities that Richard is someone they would like to see buried there?
> Marie
>
> --- In , "janmulrenan@..." <janmulrenan@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Forum members,
> > You might like to know that yesterday Bishop Tom Butler spoke on Thought for the Day on Radio 4, that being 1st. May. He spoke almost entirely on the reburial of "our" king & I bet this is due to the legal challenge being mounted. It was a neutral enough piece but it's always good to have Richard's name brought up in a new public area, like the Economist doing his obituary. I only caught half of it but if you have BBC IPlayer you can hear it within the next 5 days, I think. It lasts just under 3 minutes. It's buried in the Today programme at about 7.50 am.
> > Extracts: "Both deans ( York & Leicester) are receiving heated letters on the subject; some people obviously feel mighty strongly about Richard III. To be fair, if there hadn't been an almost obsessional campaign to attempt to locate & then dig up his body the funds & expertise wouldn't have been found to do the investigation. That's sometimes the way life is. King Richard III was an able enough king during his short reign but his name of course has been besmirched by the way he assumed the crown & the disappearance of the Princes in the Tower. It wasn't only Shakespeare who saw Richard's hand in that dark deed....................since Biblical times it's been our tradition to respect the dead & ensure that their remains, ultimately bones & dust, are treated with reverence & given a dignified place in church or cemetery whilst the essential person who temporarily inhabited that body in the Christian tradition is commended to the grace & goodness of God......."
> > There will be those who think God should be mentioned rather more in what is meant to be a religious radio item where Sikhs, Jews & Buddhists also get representation & those who are exasperated by Bishop Tom's tepid attitude to our hero, but clearly some notice has been taken of our agitation & of the legal challenge. So we must keep agitating & challenging.
> > Bishop Tom is a former Bishop of Leicester & now lives in Yorkshire. He broadcast from Leeds. I don't know what his current bishopric is but I can find out.
> > Jan.
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>
>

Me too, Jan.

York may have received a handful of "heated letters" (which is not the same thing as "rude" letters or "hate" letters) - but I imagine they have mostly received a good many written with a great deal of feeling, of careful thought and expression, of encouragement and best wishes too.
I guess people are feeling powerless in this matter and an inundation of letters can at least reveal that people are indeed very keen that Richard be re-interred in a place he knew well, appeared to hold great regard and attention for, and called "home". If no letters are written, it's assumed people aren't bothered, don't care and it doesn't matter where this Lord of the North is buried. If someone had told me that the miraculous day that Richard was found, a university archaeology dept were going to have the say-so on where to re-inter the King of England, I would never have believed it. My friends in other countries are staggered how appallingly this has been handled in a country that prides itself on its historical heritage and monarchy, and that the govt and crown have washed their hands of the business.

Col

--- In , Jan Mulrenan <janmulrenan@...> wrote:
>
> You can keep heat out of a challenge or a letter to stir things up but you need to reflect on what to write first. I thought quite hard about how to express myself when I wrote to authorities in Leicester.
> Jan.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 3 May 2013, at 13:14, mariewalsh2003 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> > Does anyone really think heated letters to York are the way to persuade the Minster authorities that Richard is someone they would like to see buried there?
> > Marie
> >
> > --- In , "janmulrenan@" <janmulrenan@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Forum members,
> > > You might like to know that yesterday Bishop Tom Butler spoke on Thought for the Day on Radio 4, that being 1st. May. He spoke almost entirely on the reburial of "our" king & I bet this is due to the legal challenge being mounted. It was a neutral enough piece but it's always good to have Richard's name brought up in a new public area, like the Economist doing his obituary. I only caught half of it but if you have BBC IPlayer you can hear it within the next 5 days, I think. It lasts just under 3 minutes. It's buried in the Today programme at about 7.50 am.
> > > Extracts: "Both deans ( York & Leicester) are receiving heated letters on the subject; some people obviously feel mighty strongly about Richard III. To be fair, if there hadn't been an almost obsessional campaign to attempt to locate & then dig up his body the funds & expertise wouldn't have been found to do the investigation. That's sometimes the way life is. King Richard III was an able enough king during his short reign but his name of course has been besmirched by the way he assumed the crown & the disappearance of the Princes in the Tower. It wasn't only Shakespeare who saw Richard's hand in that dark deed....................since Biblical times it's been our tradition to respect the dead & ensure that their remains, ultimately bones & dust, are treated with reverence & given a dignified place in church or cemetery whilst the essential person who temporarily inhabited that body in the Christian tradition is commended to the grace & goodness of God......."
> > > There will be those who think God should be mentioned rather more in what is meant to be a religious radio item where Sikhs, Jews & Buddhists also get representation & those who are exasperated by Bishop Tom's tepid attitude to our hero, but clearly some notice has been taken of our agitation & of the legal challenge. So we must keep agitating & challenging.
> > > Bishop Tom is a former Bishop of Leicester & now lives in Yorkshire. He broadcast from Leeds. I don't know what his current bishopric is but I can find out.
> > > Jan.
> > >
> >
> >
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Well said Colyngbourne!..


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From: colyngbourne <[email protected]>
To:
Sent: Friday, 3 May 2013, 14:51
Subject: Re: Thought for the day

 

Me too, Jan.

York may have received a handful of "heated letters" (which is not the same thing as "rude" letters or "hate" letters) - but I imagine they have mostly received a good many written with a great deal of feeling, of careful thought and expression, of encouragement and best wishes too.
I guess people are feeling powerless in this matter and an inundation of letters can at least reveal that people are indeed very keen that Richard be re-interred in a place he knew well, appeared to hold great regard and attention for, and called "home". If no letters are written, it's assumed people aren't bothered, don't care and it doesn't matter where this Lord of the North is buried. If someone had told me that the miraculous day that Richard was found, a university archaeology dept were going to have the say-so on where to re-inter the King of England, I would never have believed it. My friends in other countries are staggered how appallingly this has been handled in a country that prides itself on its historical heritage and monarchy, and that the govt and crown have washed their hands of the business.

Col

--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Jan Mulrenan <janmulrenan@...> wrote:
>
> You can keep heat out of a challenge or a letter to stir things up but you need to reflect on what to write first. I thought quite hard about how to express myself when I wrote to authorities in Leicester.
> Jan.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 3 May 2013, at 13:14, mariewalsh2003 <mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Does anyone really think heated letters to York are the way to persuade the Minster authorities that Richard is someone they would like to see buried there?
> > Marie
> >
> > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "janmulrenan@" <janmulrenan@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Forum members,
> > > You might like to know that yesterday Bishop Tom Butler spoke on Thought for the Day on Radio 4, that being 1st. May. He spoke almost entirely on the reburial of "our" king & I bet this is due to the legal challenge being mounted. It was a neutral enough piece but it's always good to have Richard's name brought up in a new public area, like the Economist doing his obituary. I only caught half of it but if you have BBC IPlayer you can hear it within the next 5 days, I think. It lasts just under 3 minutes. It's buried in the Today programme at about 7.50 am.
> > > Extracts: "Both deans ( York & Leicester) are receiving heated letters on the subject; some people obviously feel mighty strongly about Richard III. To be fair, if there hadn't been an almost obsessional campaign to attempt to locate & then dig up his body the funds & expertise wouldn't have been found to do the investigation. That's sometimes the way life is. King Richard III was an able enough king during his short reign but his name of course has been besmirched by the way he assumed the crown & the disappearance of the Princes in the Tower. It wasn't only Shakespeare who saw Richard's hand in that dark deed....................since Biblical times it's been our tradition to respect the dead & ensure that their remains, ultimately bones & dust, are treated with reverence & given a dignified place in church or cemetery whilst the essential person who temporarily inhabited that body in the Christian tradition is commended to the grace & goodness of
God......."
> > > There will be those who think God should be mentioned rather more in what is meant to be a religious radio item where Sikhs, Jews & Buddhists also get representation & those who are exasperated by Bishop Tom's tepid attitude to our hero, but clearly some notice has been taken of our agitation & of the legal challenge. So we must keep agitating & challenging.
> > > Bishop Tom is a former Bishop of Leicester & now lives in Yorkshire. He broadcast from Leeds. I don't know what his current bishopric is but I can find out.
> > > Jan.
> > >
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