relations

With those on the campaign trail for Richard to be reinterred at York
claiming their not having a say in the location is against their human
rights, Radio 4 just broadcast a geneology expert who said that of those
with pure English blood in their veins, there are, on a conservative
estimate, more than one million in the UK who could also claim to be
related to Richard.
Let's get the T shirts made now demanding our say! Oh of course we will
have to sort out blood tests of the claimants, not to mention who will
pay for those tests, then a method of having a fair vote, then....
Yet another obstacle in the way of our beloved king being finally laid
to rest!
Well, as a supporter of Richard since a very early age, and an
Englishman who can trace his blood line back a very long way, my vote is
to stay out of it.
I had no direct involvement in finding Richard's remains, or funding
that search, and only feel a claim on those remains as an admirer and
defender of his good name.
The sooner the king can find peace again the better.
Have those going to the high court thought about Richard's rights to be
left in peace? Or is it simply their search for their '15 minutes of fame'?
Paul



--
Richard Liveth Yet!

That was my point. It is very hard to get English ancestry to a tee, unless you have documents to support it. The collateral lineage would be pretty difficult, but they did trace the guy, Ibsen???, who gave the swab.

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On May 10, 2013, at 11:13 AM, "Paul Trevor Bale" <paul.bale@...<mailto:paul.bale@...>> wrote:



With those on the campaign trail for Richard to be reinterred at York
claiming their not having a say in the location is against their human
rights, Radio 4 just broadcast a geneology expert who said that of those
with pure English blood in their veins, there are, on a conservative
estimate, more than one million in the UK who could also claim to be
related to Richard.
Let's get the T shirts made now demanding our say! Oh of course we will
have to sort out blood tests of the claimants, not to mention who will
pay for those tests, then a method of having a fair vote, then....
Yet another obstacle in the way of our beloved king being finally laid
to rest!
Well, as a supporter of Richard since a very early age, and an
Englishman who can trace his blood line back a very long way, my vote is
to stay out of it.
I had no direct involvement in finding Richard's remains, or funding
that search, and only feel a claim on those remains as an admirer and
defender of his good name.
The sooner the king can find peace again the better.
Have those going to the high court thought about Richard's rights to be
left in peace? Or is it simply their search for their '15 minutes of fame'?
Paul

--
Richard Liveth Yet!

I'm sure the collateral descendants involved in the legal challenge will have thought very seriously about the "peace" of the remains - and that will come wherever they are finally laid to rest. But they, and many more than that group, believe that the remains being laid in a place appropriate to Richard - one in which he or his family might have wished to bury him - is a very important principle, and that not being done so far, is a wrong which should be righted in this unique situation.

Should you wish to ask them yourself about "15 minutes of fame", you could contact them via the address on the campaign website. Their lawyers will have made quite sure that they have valid documentation about their genealogical descent.

--- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:
>
> With those on the campaign trail for Richard to be reinterred at York
> claiming their not having a say in the location is against their human
> rights, Radio 4 just broadcast a geneology expert who said that of those
> with pure English blood in their veins, there are, on a conservative
> estimate, more than one million in the UK who could also claim to be
> related to Richard.
> Let's get the T shirts made now demanding our say! Oh of course we will
> have to sort out blood tests of the claimants, not to mention who will
> pay for those tests, then a method of having a fair vote, then....
> Yet another obstacle in the way of our beloved king being finally laid
> to rest!
> Well, as a supporter of Richard since a very early age, and an
> Englishman who can trace his blood line back a very long way, my vote is
> to stay out of it.
> I had no direct involvement in finding Richard's remains, or funding
> that search, and only feel a claim on those remains as an admirer and
> defender of his good name.
> The sooner the king can find peace again the better.
> Have those going to the high court thought about Richard's rights to be
> left in peace? Or is it simply their search for their '15 minutes of fame'?
> Paul
>
>
>
> --
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>

I'd think valid documentation would be the first thing required by the court? Because wouldn't the judge immediately throw out any legal action filed by someone who hadn't the proper genealogical descent to claim Richard as "family" in the first place? Because the entire thing seems to hinge upon the rights of family members to decide where their blood relation is to be buried, and the lack of Leicester's Uni/Cathedral/city/et. al.'s right to decide?

If the court decides, "You're not family, there is no family, you don't get a vote," then does that mean Leicester Cathedral, then gets the right by default of being the closest consecrated ground, and the matter is settled forever?

~Weds

--- In , colyngbourne <no_reply@...> wrote:
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> Should you wish to ask them yourself about "15 minutes of fame", you could contact them via the address on the campaign website. Their lawyers will have made quite sure that they have valid documentation about their genealogical descent.

One of the points made in the Parliamentary debate was that it doesn't have to be the nearest consecrated ground; that's only one option for unidentified remains. It can be whatever is appropriate. And that presumably would be for the Courts to decide given there is such contention about this issue. One other relevant point should be whether the person who issued the licence originally really took into consideration that it might concern the burial of a king; yes it was on the application but it was clear that on-one actually thought he would be found. A long way to go methinks.  



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Subject: Re: relations

 

I'd think valid documentation would be the first thing required by the court? Because wouldn't the judge immediately throw out any legal action filed by someone who hadn't the proper genealogical descent to claim Richard as "family" in the first place? Because the entire thing seems to hinge upon the rights of family members to decide where their blood relation is to be buried, and the lack of Leicester's Uni/Cathedral/city/et. al.'s right to decide?

If the court decides, "You're not family, there is no family, you don't get a vote," then does that mean Leicester Cathedral, then gets the right by default of being the closest consecrated ground, and the matter is settled forever?

~Weds

--- In , colyngbourne <no_reply@...> wrote:
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> Should you wish to ask them yourself about "15 minutes of fame", you could contact them via the address on the campaign website. Their lawyers will have made quite sure that they have valid documentation about their genealogical descent.

I heard that programme too.  He went on to say that if we took the Medieval average family size for living children who went on to 'breed' as he put it (2.3 children), and assumed 25 years per generation, there could be around 17 million people of direct British descent today who would be related to Richard III via his nieces and nephews.  He also seemed to suggest there were even more people who could claim descent from Edward III.  


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 Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:



 
With those on the campaign trail for Richard to be reinterred at York
claiming their not having a say in the location is against their human
rights, Radio 4 just broadcast a geneology expert who said that of those
with pure English blood in their veins, there are, on a conservative
estimate, more than one million in the UK who could also claim to be
related to Richard.
Let's get the T shirts made now demanding our say! Oh of course we will
have to sort out blood tests of the claimants, not to mention who will
pay for those tests, then a method of having a fair vote, then....
Yet another obstacle in the way of our beloved king being finally laid
to rest!
Well, as a supporter of Richard since a very early age, and an
Englishman who can trace his blood line back a very long way, my vote is
to stay out of it.
I had no direct involvement in finding Richard's remains, or funding
that search, and only feel a claim on those remains as an admirer and
defender of his good name.
The sooner the king can find peace again the better.
Have those going to the high court thought about Richard's rights to be
left in peace? Or is it simply their search for their '15 minutes of fame'?
Paul

--
Richard Liveth Yet!

Good Morning, Very well said Colyngbourne, My sentiments entirely.
Thank you again.,
Christine
Loyaulte me Lie

--- In , colyngbourne <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> I'm sure the collateral descendants involved in the legal challenge will have thought very seriously about the "peace" of the remains - and that will come wherever they are finally laid to rest. But they, and many more than that group, believe that the remains being laid in a place appropriate to Richard - one in which he or his family might have wished to bury him - is a very important principle, and that not being done so far, is a wrong which should be righted in this unique situation.
>
> Should you wish to ask them yourself about "15 minutes of fame", you could contact them via the address on the campaign website. Their lawyers will have made quite sure that they have valid documentation about their genealogical descent.
>
> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> >
> > With those on the campaign trail for Richard to be reinterred at York
> > claiming their not having a say in the location is against their human
> > rights, Radio 4 just broadcast a geneology expert who said that of those
> > with pure English blood in their veins, there are, on a conservative
> > estimate, more than one million in the UK who could also claim to be
> > related to Richard.
> > Let's get the T shirts made now demanding our say! Oh of course we will
> > have to sort out blood tests of the claimants, not to mention who will
> > pay for those tests, then a method of having a fair vote, then....
> > Yet another obstacle in the way of our beloved king being finally laid
> > to rest!
> > Well, as a supporter of Richard since a very early age, and an
> > Englishman who can trace his blood line back a very long way, my vote is
> > to stay out of it.
> > I had no direct involvement in finding Richard's remains, or funding
> > that search, and only feel a claim on those remains as an admirer and
> > defender of his good name.
> > The sooner the king can find peace again the better.
> > Have those going to the high court thought about Richard's rights to be
> > left in peace? Or is it simply their search for their '15 minutes of fame'?
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Richard Liveth Yet!
> >
>