Why Did Henry Backdate his Reign?
Why Did Henry Backdate his Reign?
2013-05-19 21:37:16
Just a reminder that Thomas Penn (The Winter King) is doing a programme as part of the Tudor season on BBC on 30 May. Sounds good!
Re: Why Did Henry Backdate his Reign?
2013-05-19 22:44:59
Thank you for the reminder, I think....
On May 19, 2013, at 3:37 PM, "hjnatdat" <hjnatdat@...<mailto:hjnatdat@...>> wrote:
Just a reminder that Thomas Penn (The Winter King) is doing a programme as part of the Tudor season on BBC on 30 May. Sounds good!
On May 19, 2013, at 3:37 PM, "hjnatdat" <hjnatdat@...<mailto:hjnatdat@...>> wrote:
Just a reminder that Thomas Penn (The Winter King) is doing a programme as part of the Tudor season on BBC on 30 May. Sounds good!
Re: Why Did Henry Backdate his Reign?
2013-05-20 09:19:20
And Ian Mortimer is doing one on the Time Travellers Guide to Elizabethan England. BTW Penn doesn't cover the early bit in his book so hopefully this is new material.
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Thank you for the reminder, I think....
On May 19, 2013, at 3:37 PM, "hjnatdat" <hjnatdat@...<mailto:hjnatdat@...>> wrote:
Just a reminder that Thomas Penn (The Winter King) is doing a programme as part of the Tudor season on BBC on 30 May. Sounds good!
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Thank you for the reminder, I think....
On May 19, 2013, at 3:37 PM, "hjnatdat" <hjnatdat@...<mailto:hjnatdat@...>> wrote:
Just a reminder that Thomas Penn (The Winter King) is doing a programme as part of the Tudor season on BBC on 30 May. Sounds good!
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Re: Why Did Henry Backdate his Reign?
2013-05-20 11:33:18
Hilary wrote:
BTW Penn doesn't cover the early bit in his book so hopefully this is new material.
Sandra:
I was hugely dismayed that Penn's brilliant book skipped over all the early years. I felt cheated. The Dawn of Tudor England was not in 1497, but 1485. There should have been two works, and not in reverse order. Otherwise, it's a terrific read and certainly increased my interest in Henry. Neither he nor Richard was born to be king, and they both had to deal with fate's consequences. Luck stayed with Henry, but I think it froze him inside. And he was already stifled emotionally. (My opinion, anyway.) So maybe he wasn't lucky after all. And Richard's shadow was over him for the rest of his life, one way or another.
From his portraits Henry looks out at us with a hooded gaze that really seems to suit what we know' of him. There he is, Henry, the fear-inducing, dangerous, clever first Tudor king, but what was Henry the man really like? Did he himself ever really find out? I can imagine Richard laughing uproariously, curling up with it even, but not Henry. Laughter, yes, but controlled and probably curtailed. He gives so little of himself away. The letter to his mother in which he writes of his failing eyesight is touching, and I seem to remember a story of him playing chess with his seven-year-old son and allowing the boy to win. Maybe I have remembered incorrectly, but if true, the latter is a rather charming anecdote. I cannot even decide whether his marriage was happy or not. He was distraught when EoY died, but she had never spoken out against Richard. Surely that must have galled Henry? I cannot be sure if he loved her, or she him. Yes, he went into seclusion for a while after her death, but I cannot quite see him clearly enough to decide the nature of the emotion that seized him. I cannot get to grips with this king. Not satisfactorily enough to form a firm opinion with which I feel content. I had no such problem with Richard, no moment of hesitation or doubt. It was immediate support, and has not changed. An instinctive loyalty and regard.
As Henry got older, his likenesses show the inexorable deterioration. His death must have been miserable. So, he won at Bosworth, twisted laws to suit himself, made a LOT of money by taxing and purloining, and changed the face of England forever, but he paid a personal price. Serves him right? I no longer really know. He makes me very inquisitive. I once loathed him for being Richard's nemesis, but he has a fascination of his own. All this aside, it still remains that he was the wrong victor at Bosworth. I so wish that Richard, by far the better man, had been able to fully prove himself as a king. For me, a shift of mood regarding Henry does not alter the fact that Richard was the one who should have eventually died safely in his bed. If he had, we would all be looking back longingly at the Golden Ricardian Age.
BTW Penn doesn't cover the early bit in his book so hopefully this is new material.
Sandra:
I was hugely dismayed that Penn's brilliant book skipped over all the early years. I felt cheated. The Dawn of Tudor England was not in 1497, but 1485. There should have been two works, and not in reverse order. Otherwise, it's a terrific read and certainly increased my interest in Henry. Neither he nor Richard was born to be king, and they both had to deal with fate's consequences. Luck stayed with Henry, but I think it froze him inside. And he was already stifled emotionally. (My opinion, anyway.) So maybe he wasn't lucky after all. And Richard's shadow was over him for the rest of his life, one way or another.
From his portraits Henry looks out at us with a hooded gaze that really seems to suit what we know' of him. There he is, Henry, the fear-inducing, dangerous, clever first Tudor king, but what was Henry the man really like? Did he himself ever really find out? I can imagine Richard laughing uproariously, curling up with it even, but not Henry. Laughter, yes, but controlled and probably curtailed. He gives so little of himself away. The letter to his mother in which he writes of his failing eyesight is touching, and I seem to remember a story of him playing chess with his seven-year-old son and allowing the boy to win. Maybe I have remembered incorrectly, but if true, the latter is a rather charming anecdote. I cannot even decide whether his marriage was happy or not. He was distraught when EoY died, but she had never spoken out against Richard. Surely that must have galled Henry? I cannot be sure if he loved her, or she him. Yes, he went into seclusion for a while after her death, but I cannot quite see him clearly enough to decide the nature of the emotion that seized him. I cannot get to grips with this king. Not satisfactorily enough to form a firm opinion with which I feel content. I had no such problem with Richard, no moment of hesitation or doubt. It was immediate support, and has not changed. An instinctive loyalty and regard.
As Henry got older, his likenesses show the inexorable deterioration. His death must have been miserable. So, he won at Bosworth, twisted laws to suit himself, made a LOT of money by taxing and purloining, and changed the face of England forever, but he paid a personal price. Serves him right? I no longer really know. He makes me very inquisitive. I once loathed him for being Richard's nemesis, but he has a fascination of his own. All this aside, it still remains that he was the wrong victor at Bosworth. I so wish that Richard, by far the better man, had been able to fully prove himself as a king. For me, a shift of mood regarding Henry does not alter the fact that Richard was the one who should have eventually died safely in his bed. If he had, we would all be looking back longingly at the Golden Ricardian Age.
Re: Why Did Henry Backdate his Reign?
2013-05-20 11:53:18
I agree with everything you say. To me Henry (although by no means loveable) is a much of a victim as some others in all this. Did he really want to be where he ended up; and he never escaped ma? I don't think he hated Richard, he never even knew him. But he must have hated wrestling with Richard's legacy (and perhaps the unspoken knowledge that his wife once had a soft spot for Richard).
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Hilary wrote:
BTW Penn doesn't cover the early bit in his book so hopefully this is new material.
Sandra:
I was hugely dismayed that Penn's brilliant book skipped over all the early years. I felt cheated. The Dawn of Tudor England was not in 1497, but 1485. There should have been two works, and not in reverse order. Otherwise, it's a terrific read and certainly increased my interest in Henry. Neither he nor Richard was born to be king, and they both had to deal with fate's consequences. Luck stayed with Henry, but I think it froze him inside. And he was already stifled emotionally. (My opinion, anyway.) So maybe he wasn't lucky after all. And Richard's shadow was over him for the rest of his life, one way or another.
From his portraits Henry looks out at us with a hooded gaze that really seems to suit what we know' of him. There he is, Henry, the fear-inducing, dangerous, clever first Tudor king, but what was Henry the man really like? Did he himself ever really find out? I can imagine Richard laughing uproariously, curling up with it even, but not Henry. Laughter, yes, but controlled and probably curtailed. He gives so little of himself away. The letter to his mother in which he writes of his failing eyesight is touching, and I seem to remember a story of him playing chess with his seven-year-old son and allowing the boy to win. Maybe I have remembered incorrectly, but if true, the latter is a rather charming anecdote. I cannot even decide whether his marriage was happy or not. He was distraught when EoY died, but she had never spoken out against Richard. Surely that must have galled Henry? I cannot be sure if he loved her, or she him. Yes, he went into
seclusion for a while after her death, but I cannot quite see him clearly enough to decide the nature of the emotion that seized him. I cannot get to grips with this king. Not satisfactorily enough to form a firm opinion with which I feel content. I had no such problem with Richard, no moment of hesitation or doubt. It was immediate support, and has not changed. An instinctive loyalty and regard.
As Henry got older, his likenesses show the inexorable deterioration. His death must have been miserable. So, he won at Bosworth, twisted laws to suit himself, made a LOT of money by taxing and purloining, and changed the face of England forever, but he paid a personal price. Serves him right? I no longer really know. He makes me very inquisitive. I once loathed him for being Richard's nemesis, but he has a fascination of his own. All this aside, it still remains that he was the wrong victor at Bosworth. I so wish that Richard, by far the better man, had been able to fully prove himself as a king. For me, a shift of mood regarding Henry does not alter the fact that Richard was the one who should have eventually died safely in his bed. If he had, we would all be looking back longingly at the Golden Ricardian Age.
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Hilary wrote:
BTW Penn doesn't cover the early bit in his book so hopefully this is new material.
Sandra:
I was hugely dismayed that Penn's brilliant book skipped over all the early years. I felt cheated. The Dawn of Tudor England was not in 1497, but 1485. There should have been two works, and not in reverse order. Otherwise, it's a terrific read and certainly increased my interest in Henry. Neither he nor Richard was born to be king, and they both had to deal with fate's consequences. Luck stayed with Henry, but I think it froze him inside. And he was already stifled emotionally. (My opinion, anyway.) So maybe he wasn't lucky after all. And Richard's shadow was over him for the rest of his life, one way or another.
From his portraits Henry looks out at us with a hooded gaze that really seems to suit what we know' of him. There he is, Henry, the fear-inducing, dangerous, clever first Tudor king, but what was Henry the man really like? Did he himself ever really find out? I can imagine Richard laughing uproariously, curling up with it even, but not Henry. Laughter, yes, but controlled and probably curtailed. He gives so little of himself away. The letter to his mother in which he writes of his failing eyesight is touching, and I seem to remember a story of him playing chess with his seven-year-old son and allowing the boy to win. Maybe I have remembered incorrectly, but if true, the latter is a rather charming anecdote. I cannot even decide whether his marriage was happy or not. He was distraught when EoY died, but she had never spoken out against Richard. Surely that must have galled Henry? I cannot be sure if he loved her, or she him. Yes, he went into
seclusion for a while after her death, but I cannot quite see him clearly enough to decide the nature of the emotion that seized him. I cannot get to grips with this king. Not satisfactorily enough to form a firm opinion with which I feel content. I had no such problem with Richard, no moment of hesitation or doubt. It was immediate support, and has not changed. An instinctive loyalty and regard.
As Henry got older, his likenesses show the inexorable deterioration. His death must have been miserable. So, he won at Bosworth, twisted laws to suit himself, made a LOT of money by taxing and purloining, and changed the face of England forever, but he paid a personal price. Serves him right? I no longer really know. He makes me very inquisitive. I once loathed him for being Richard's nemesis, but he has a fascination of his own. All this aside, it still remains that he was the wrong victor at Bosworth. I so wish that Richard, by far the better man, had been able to fully prove himself as a king. For me, a shift of mood regarding Henry does not alter the fact that Richard was the one who should have eventually died safely in his bed. If he had, we would all be looking back longingly at the Golden Ricardian Age.
Re: Why Did Henry Backdate his Reign?
2013-05-20 12:24:40
Hilary: I agree with everything you say. To me Henry (although by no means loveable) is a much of a victim as some others in all this. Did he really want to be where he ended up; and he never escaped ma? I don't think he hated Richard, he never even knew him. But he must have hated wrestling with Richard's legacy (and perhaps the unspoken knowledge that his wife once had a soft spot for Richard).
Sandra: Regarding that intriguing soft spot. Yes, and it was infinitely closer to home than, as Dave Allen might once have said, a bog in the middle of Ireland.
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Hilary wrote:
BTW Penn doesn't cover the early bit in his book so hopefully this is new material.
Sandra:
I was hugely dismayed that Penn's brilliant book skipped over all the early years. I felt cheated. The Dawn of Tudor England was not in 1497, but 1485. There should have been two works, and not in reverse order. Otherwise, it's a terrific read and certainly increased my interest in Henry. Neither he nor Richard was born to be king, and they both had to deal with fate's consequences. Luck stayed with Henry, but I think it froze him inside. And he was already stifled emotionally. (My opinion, anyway.) So maybe he wasn't lucky after all. And Richard's shadow was over him for the rest of his life, one way or another.
From his portraits Henry looks out at us with a hooded gaze that really seems to suit what we know' of him. There he is, Henry, the fear-inducing, dangerous, clever first Tudor king, but what was Henry the man really like? Did he himself ever really find out? I can imagine Richard laughing uproariously, curling up with it even, but not Henry. Laughter, yes, but controlled and probably curtailed. He gives so little of himself away. The letter to his mother in which he writes of his failing eyesight is touching, and I seem to remember a story of him playing chess with his seven-year-old son and allowing the boy to win. Maybe I have remembered incorrectly, but if true, the latter is a rather charming anecdote. I cannot even decide whether his marriage was happy or not. He was distraught when EoY died, but she had never spoken out against Richard. Surely that must have galled Henry? I cannot be sure if he loved her, or she him. Yes, he went into
seclusion for a while after her death, but I cannot quite see him clearly enough to decide the nature of the emotion that seized him. I cannot get to grips with this king. Not satisfactorily enough to form a firm opinion with which I feel content. I had no such problem with Richard, no moment of hesitation or doubt. It was immediate support, and has not changed. An instinctive loyalty and regard.
As Henry got older, his likenesses show the inexorable deterioration. His death must have been miserable. So, he won at Bosworth, twisted laws to suit himself, made a LOT of money by taxing and purloining, and changed the face of England forever, but he paid a personal price. Serves him right? I no longer really know. He makes me very inquisitive. I once loathed him for being Richard's nemesis, but he has a fascination of his own. All this aside, it still remains that he was the wrong victor at Bosworth. I so wish that Richard, by far the better man, had been able to fully prove himself as a king. For me, a shift of mood regarding Henry does not alter the fact that Richard was the one who should have eventually died safely in his bed. If he had, we would all be looking back longingly at the Golden Ricardian Age.
Sandra: Regarding that intriguing soft spot. Yes, and it was infinitely closer to home than, as Dave Allen might once have said, a bog in the middle of Ireland.
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From: SandraMachin <mailto:sandramachin%40live.co.uk>
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Sent: Monday, 20 May 2013, 11:33
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Hilary wrote:
BTW Penn doesn't cover the early bit in his book so hopefully this is new material.
Sandra:
I was hugely dismayed that Penn's brilliant book skipped over all the early years. I felt cheated. The Dawn of Tudor England was not in 1497, but 1485. There should have been two works, and not in reverse order. Otherwise, it's a terrific read and certainly increased my interest in Henry. Neither he nor Richard was born to be king, and they both had to deal with fate's consequences. Luck stayed with Henry, but I think it froze him inside. And he was already stifled emotionally. (My opinion, anyway.) So maybe he wasn't lucky after all. And Richard's shadow was over him for the rest of his life, one way or another.
From his portraits Henry looks out at us with a hooded gaze that really seems to suit what we know' of him. There he is, Henry, the fear-inducing, dangerous, clever first Tudor king, but what was Henry the man really like? Did he himself ever really find out? I can imagine Richard laughing uproariously, curling up with it even, but not Henry. Laughter, yes, but controlled and probably curtailed. He gives so little of himself away. The letter to his mother in which he writes of his failing eyesight is touching, and I seem to remember a story of him playing chess with his seven-year-old son and allowing the boy to win. Maybe I have remembered incorrectly, but if true, the latter is a rather charming anecdote. I cannot even decide whether his marriage was happy or not. He was distraught when EoY died, but she had never spoken out against Richard. Surely that must have galled Henry? I cannot be sure if he loved her, or she him. Yes, he went into
seclusion for a while after her death, but I cannot quite see him clearly enough to decide the nature of the emotion that seized him. I cannot get to grips with this king. Not satisfactorily enough to form a firm opinion with which I feel content. I had no such problem with Richard, no moment of hesitation or doubt. It was immediate support, and has not changed. An instinctive loyalty and regard.
As Henry got older, his likenesses show the inexorable deterioration. His death must have been miserable. So, he won at Bosworth, twisted laws to suit himself, made a LOT of money by taxing and purloining, and changed the face of England forever, but he paid a personal price. Serves him right? I no longer really know. He makes me very inquisitive. I once loathed him for being Richard's nemesis, but he has a fascination of his own. All this aside, it still remains that he was the wrong victor at Bosworth. I so wish that Richard, by far the better man, had been able to fully prove himself as a king. For me, a shift of mood regarding Henry does not alter the fact that Richard was the one who should have eventually died safely in his bed. If he had, we would all be looking back longingly at the Golden Ricardian Age.
Re: Henry and EofY - was....Why Did Henry Backdate his Reign?
2013-05-20 12:35:48
Henry doesn't strike me as a man with many friends. Whatever his relationship with EofY, she was the only one at Court, apart from his mother, who was his equal. She was the one to whom he went behind closed doors. They continued to have a sexual relationship to the end of her life (death in childbed) so whether he loved her or not, or whether she loved him or not, her loss would have left an enormous gap in his life.
Leaving all that aside, we have to remember he allowed her no political power at all. Her only sphere of influence was her marriage and her children. In that sense, Henry does not appear to have much regard for her.
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From: SandraMachin <sandramachin@...> wrote
I cannot even decide whether his marriage was happy or not. He was distraught when EoY died, but she had never spoken out against Richard. Surely that must have galled Henry? I cannot be sure if he loved her, or she him. Yes, he went into seclusion for a while after her death, but I cannot quite see him clearly enough to decide the nature of the emotion that seized him.
Leaving all that aside, we have to remember he allowed her no political power at all. Her only sphere of influence was her marriage and her children. In that sense, Henry does not appear to have much regard for her.
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From: SandraMachin <sandramachin@...> wrote
I cannot even decide whether his marriage was happy or not. He was distraught when EoY died, but she had never spoken out against Richard. Surely that must have galled Henry? I cannot be sure if he loved her, or she him. Yes, he went into seclusion for a while after her death, but I cannot quite see him clearly enough to decide the nature of the emotion that seized him.
Re: Why Did Henry Backdate his Reign?
2013-05-20 13:38:12
From: Hilary Jones
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> I agree with everything you say. To me Henry (although by no means
> loveable) is a much of a victim as some others in all this. Did he really
> want to be where he ended up; and he never escaped ma? I don't think he
> hated Richard, he never even knew him. But he must have hated wrestling
> with Richard's legacy (and perhaps the unspoken knowledge that his wife
> once had a soft spot for Richard).
Most of the major players had pretty miserable lives, one way or another.
Even Edward was pre-deceased by some of this children, and I don't suppose
he was happy about having to execute his own brother or (probably) spending
his life wondering whether the pre-contract was going to come back and bite
him on the bum. Even Morton, if it's true he was loayl to Margaret of
Anjou, was probably fuelled by sorrow and bitterness.
Offhand the only person I can think of who came out of it well was Jane
Shore - and maybe Reggie Bray. What happened to him in the end?
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Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:53 AM
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> I agree with everything you say. To me Henry (although by no means
> loveable) is a much of a victim as some others in all this. Did he really
> want to be where he ended up; and he never escaped ma? I don't think he
> hated Richard, he never even knew him. But he must have hated wrestling
> with Richard's legacy (and perhaps the unspoken knowledge that his wife
> once had a soft spot for Richard).
Most of the major players had pretty miserable lives, one way or another.
Even Edward was pre-deceased by some of this children, and I don't suppose
he was happy about having to execute his own brother or (probably) spending
his life wondering whether the pre-contract was going to come back and bite
him on the bum. Even Morton, if it's true he was loayl to Margaret of
Anjou, was probably fuelled by sorrow and bitterness.
Offhand the only person I can think of who came out of it well was Jane
Shore - and maybe Reggie Bray. What happened to him in the end?
Re: Why Did Henry Backdate his Reign?
2013-05-20 13:40:28
He died in his bed a rich man. But his son got into debt .....
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From: Claire M Jordan <whitehound@...>
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Sent: Monday, 20 May 2013, 13:32
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From: Hilary Jones
To:
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: Why Did Henry Backdate his Reign?
> I agree with everything you say. To me Henry (although by no means
> loveable) is a much of a victim as some others in all this. Did he really
> want to be where he ended up; and he never escaped ma? I don't think he
> hated Richard, he never even knew him. But he must have hated wrestling
> with Richard's legacy (and perhaps the unspoken knowledge that his wife
> once had a soft spot for Richard).
Most of the major players had pretty miserable lives, one way or another.
Even Edward was pre-deceased by some of this children, and I don't suppose
he was happy about having to execute his own brother or (probably) spending
his life wondering whether the pre-contract was going to come back and bite
him on the bum. Even Morton, if it's true he was loayl to Margaret of
Anjou, was probably fuelled by sorrow and bitterness.
Offhand the only person I can think of who came out of it well was Jane
Shore - and maybe Reggie Bray. What happened to him in the end?
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From: Claire M Jordan <whitehound@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 20 May 2013, 13:32
Subject: Re: Why Did Henry Backdate his Reign?
From: Hilary Jones
To:
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: Why Did Henry Backdate his Reign?
> I agree with everything you say. To me Henry (although by no means
> loveable) is a much of a victim as some others in all this. Did he really
> want to be where he ended up; and he never escaped ma? I don't think he
> hated Richard, he never even knew him. But he must have hated wrestling
> with Richard's legacy (and perhaps the unspoken knowledge that his wife
> once had a soft spot for Richard).
Most of the major players had pretty miserable lives, one way or another.
Even Edward was pre-deceased by some of this children, and I don't suppose
he was happy about having to execute his own brother or (probably) spending
his life wondering whether the pre-contract was going to come back and bite
him on the bum. Even Morton, if it's true he was loayl to Margaret of
Anjou, was probably fuelled by sorrow and bitterness.
Offhand the only person I can think of who came out of it well was Jane
Shore - and maybe Reggie Bray. What happened to him in the end?
Re: Henry and EofY - was....Why Did Henry Backdate his Reign?
2013-05-20 13:47:19
One would hope there was some love.....but how hard for any man to usurp the memory of E of Y's marriage to Edward.
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Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 6:36 AM
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Henry doesn't strike me as a man with many friends. Whatever his relationship with EofY, she was the only one at Court, apart from his mother, who was his equal. She was the one to whom he went behind closed doors. They continued to have a sexual relationship to the end of her life (death in childbed) so whether he loved her or not, or whether she loved him or not, her loss would have left an enormous gap in his life.
Leaving all that aside, we have to remember he allowed her no political power at all. Her only sphere of influence was her marriage and her children. In that sense, Henry does not appear to have much regard for her.
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From: SandraMachin <sandramachin@...<mailto:sandramachin%40live.co.uk>> wrote
I cannot even decide whether his marriage was happy or not. He was distraught when EoY died, but she had never spoken out against Richard. Surely that must have galled Henry? I cannot be sure if he loved her, or she him. Yes, he went into seclusion for a while after her death, but I cannot quite see him clearly enough to decide the nature of the emotion that seized him.
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Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 6:36 AM
To:
Subject: Re: Henry and EofY - was....Why Did Henry Backdate his Reign?
Henry doesn't strike me as a man with many friends. Whatever his relationship with EofY, she was the only one at Court, apart from his mother, who was his equal. She was the one to whom he went behind closed doors. They continued to have a sexual relationship to the end of her life (death in childbed) so whether he loved her or not, or whether she loved him or not, her loss would have left an enormous gap in his life.
Leaving all that aside, we have to remember he allowed her no political power at all. Her only sphere of influence was her marriage and her children. In that sense, Henry does not appear to have much regard for her.
________________________________
From: SandraMachin <sandramachin@...<mailto:sandramachin%40live.co.uk>> wrote
I cannot even decide whether his marriage was happy or not. He was distraught when EoY died, but she had never spoken out against Richard. Surely that must have galled Henry? I cannot be sure if he loved her, or she him. Yes, he went into seclusion for a while after her death, but I cannot quite see him clearly enough to decide the nature of the emotion that seized him.
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