ARTICLE: "Letter from R3's Mother Discovered in America

Per the article, this letter isn't "translated" yet. What will it say? "Say
your prayers, be a good King, bundle up and don't catch cold"?

http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Letter-Richard-III-s-mother-discovered-America/story-19044222-detail/story.html

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- *Friend:* Are you upset about the outcome of the election?
- *Me:* I'm upset about the outcome of the War of the Roses.

'And can you spare me a groat for that nice bolt of cloth I've just seen in a shop in Berkhamstead?'



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From: Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@...>
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Per the article, this letter isn't "translated" yet. What will it say? "Say
your prayers, be a good King, bundle up and don't catch cold"?

http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Letter-Richard-III-s-mother-discovered-America/story-19044222-detail/story.html

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- *Friend:* Are you upset about the outcome of the election?
- *Me:* I'm upset about the outcome of the War of the Roses.

the so-called historian mentioned, Meryl Patrick, must be the editor's best pal as I have seen quite a few little pieces by him,  but he often doesn't get his facts right - for example
 "However, Edward IV moved into the Royal Quarters a beautiful young lady, Leicester-born Jane Shore, neé Wainstead, the daughter of a wealthy wine merchant. "
 
I've commented on this in the past and someone else has on this article but Mr Patrick is obviously still desperate to associate Jane with Leicester.
 
 
From: Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013, 3:58
Subject: ARTICLE: "Letter from R3's Mother Discovered in America

 
Per the article, this letter isn't "translated" yet. What will it say? "Say
your prayers, be a good King, bundle up and don't catch cold"?

http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Letter-Richard-III-s-mother-discovered-America/story-19044222-detail/story.html

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- *Friend:* Are you upset about the outcome of the election?
- *Me:* I'm upset about the outcome of the War of the Roses.

Lady...?

From: liz williams
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:08 PM
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"However, Edward IV moved into the Royal Quarters a beautiful young lady, Leicester-born Jane Shore, neé Wainstead, the daughter of a wealthy wine merchant. "

From: Wednesday McKenna
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Subject: ARTICLE: "Letter from R3's Mother
Discovered in America



> Per the article, this letter isn't "translated" yet. What will it say?
> "Say
your prayers, be a good King, bundle up and don't catch cold"?

Don't suppose you could copy and paste the story into an email? There's too
much going on on the Leicester paper and I can't make it load - I get the
first few lines but when I try to move down the page it just blanks out.

At any rate, it shows that there *are* still relevant documents out there.
We may yet find a letter to his sister discussing where they're going to
send their nephews.

Who's Jane Wainstead when she's at home? I thought it had been proved that Jane Shore was actually born Elizabeth Lambert, daughter of a mercer, John Lambert, and married then divorced William Shore and finally re-married Thomas Lynom.

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It ha but this "historian" they are quoting keeps banging on about Wainstead for some reason.  He gets lots of other facts wrong too. 


From: j_summerill <j_summerill@...>
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Sent: Monday, 27 May 2013, 21:08
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Who's Jane Wainstead when she's at home? I thought it had been proved that Jane Shore was actually born Elizabeth Lambert, daughter of a mercer, John Lambert, and married then divorced William Shore and finally re-married Thomas Lynom.

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Well, at the very least, the article's dodgy, but Merryl Patrick may or may not have been quoted accurately.  It says a copy of the letter has been passed on to Ken Hillier, whom I know.  I'm tempted to drop him an email to ask whether there's any truth in either the article or the letter!  (And Ken's significance is not, as the article states, that he's chair of trustees of the Ashby de la Zouch Museum, but that he's a member of the RIII Soc Research Committee.)

Jonathan




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From: liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Tuesday, 28 May 2013, 12:49
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It ha but this "historian" they are quoting keeps banging on about Wainstead for some reason.  He gets lots of other facts wrong too. 

From: j_summerill <j_summerill@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 27 May 2013, 21:08
Subject: Re: ARTICLE: "Letter from R3's Mother Discovered in America

 
Who's Jane Wainstead when she's at home? I thought it had been proved that Jane Shore was actually born Elizabeth Lambert, daughter of a mercer, John Lambert, and married then divorced William Shore and finally re-married Thomas Lynom.

--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "SandraMachin" <sandramachin@...> wrote:
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> Lady...?
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> From: liz williams
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:08 PM
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: ARTICLE: "Letter from R3's Mother Discovered in America
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> "However, Edward IV moved into the Royal Quarters a beautiful young lady, Leicester-born Jane Shore, neé Wainstead, the daughter of a wealthy wine merchant. "
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> It ha but this "historian" they are quoting keeps banging on about Wainstead for some reason.  He gets lots of other facts wrong too. 

Carol responds:

I think I may have found the source of the Wainstead nonsense: John Cordy Jeaffreson (1831-1901), in "A Book about Lawyers." See what you think:

http://books.google.com/books?id=VGoxzLw17LMC&pg=PA211&lpg=PA211&dq=Jane+Wainstead&source=bl&ots=7GpRkcFVlV&sig=NTjiKpw61Jz1dwKjACmM6XteMjo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=V9GkUcmOKeOkiQLW-IGoBQ&ved=0CEIQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Jane%20Wainstead&f=false

Tinyurl: http://tinyurl.com/qemsb4n

For what it's worth, he also wrote a book called "The Real Shelley" (about Percy Bysshe Shelley), which is complete and utter nonsense. (Shelley is another unfairly maligned figure, but of course not to the same degree as Richard.)

He takes More's description of "Jane Shore" as fact, but I'm not sure where he got the rest of his "information." He does admit that his other sources are not always reliable and is apparently not particularly hostile to Richard (based on his other references to him). He does say that Richard wished to keep "Jane" "in obscurity and disgrace," but admits that his letter to Chancellor Russell shows that "he was ready to allow her the comforts and protection of her father's house."

If anyone else wants to Google "Jane Wainstead," you can probably come up with additional (mis)information on this imaginary version of Mistress Shore.

Carol

I've seen other articles in there where Patrick again makes the link to the Wainstead family.so I don't think that is a misquote.
 
Liz

From: Jonathan Evans <jmcevans98@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Tuesday, 28 May 2013, 13:48
Subject: Re: ARTICLE: "Letter from R3's Mother Discovered in America

 
Well, at the very least, the article's dodgy, but Merryl Patrick may or may not have been quoted accurately.  It says a copy of the letter has been passed on to Ken Hillier, whom I know.  I'm tempted to drop him an email to ask whether there's any truth in either the article or the letter!  (And Ken's significance is not, as the article states, that he's chair of trustees of the Ashby de la Zouch Museum, but that he's a member of the RIII Soc Research Committee.)

Jonathan

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From: liz williams <mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 28 May 2013, 12:49
Subject: Re: ARTICLE: "Letter from R3's Mother Discovered in America


 
It ha but this "historian" they are quoting keeps banging on about Wainstead for some reason.  He gets lots of other facts wrong too. 

From: j_summerill <mailto:j_summerill%40yahoo.com>
To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, 27 May 2013, 21:08
Subject: Re: ARTICLE: "Letter from R3's Mother Discovered in America

 
Who's Jane Wainstead when she's at home? I thought it had been proved that Jane Shore was actually born Elizabeth Lambert, daughter of a mercer, John Lambert, and married then divorced William Shore and finally re-married Thomas Lynom.

--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "SandraMachin" <sandramachin@...> wrote:
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> Lady...?
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:08 PM
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: ARTICLE: "Letter from R3's Mother Discovered in America
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> "However, Edward IV moved into the Royal Quarters a beautiful young lady, Leicester-born Jane Shore, neé Wainstead, the daughter of a wealthy wine merchant. "
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