INTERVIEW: Aneurin Barnard (partially on playing R3)
INTERVIEW: Aneurin Barnard (partially on playing R3)
2013-07-12 18:55:01
Bits on his playing Richard, the two films he has out now, and other stuff.
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-07-12/the-white-queens-aneurin-barnard-on-why-historical-accuracy-can-be-pretty-boring
~Weds
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- *Friend:* Are you upset about the outcome of the election?
- *Me:* I'm upset about the outcome of the War of the Roses.
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-07-12/the-white-queens-aneurin-barnard-on-why-historical-accuracy-can-be-pretty-boring
~Weds
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- *Friend:* Are you upset about the outcome of the election?
- *Me:* I'm upset about the outcome of the War of the Roses.
Re: INTERVIEW: Aneurin Barnard (partially on playing R3)
2013-07-12 19:07:08
No Aneurin, the accurate version of the WOTR is not boring. Yes we don't know exactly what happened but we do know dates of battles and that people didn't have zips in their clothing.We also know where people were at certain times admittedly not all of the time but forinstance Edward IV was at Middleham castle not Warwick when he was released from his imprisonment by Warwick. I recommend that he reads "Sunne" if he wants a more accurate account.
--- In , Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@...> wrote:
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> Bits on his playing Richard, the two films he has out now, and other stuff.
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> http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-07-12/the-white-queens-aneurin-barnard-on-why-historical-accuracy-can-be-pretty-boring
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> Bits on his playing Richard, the two films he has out now, and other stuff.
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> http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-07-12/the-white-queens-aneurin-barnard-on-why-historical-accuracy-can-be-pretty-boring
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Re: INTERVIEW: Aneurin Barnard (partially on playing R3)
2013-07-12 19:34:26
And I imagine separate hose were actually more comfortable than tights but perhaps we shouldn't go there....
Marie
--- In , "ricard1an" <maryfriend@...> wrote:
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> No Aneurin, the accurate version of the WOTR is not boring. Yes we don't know exactly what happened but we do know dates of battles and that people didn't have zips in their clothing.We also know where people were at certain times admittedly not all of the time but forinstance Edward IV was at Middleham castle not Warwick when he was released from his imprisonment by Warwick. I recommend that he reads "Sunne" if he wants a more accurate account.
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> --- In , Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
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> > http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-07-12/the-white-queens-aneurin-barnard-on-why-historical-accuracy-can-be-pretty-boring
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--- In , "ricard1an" <maryfriend@...> wrote:
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> No Aneurin, the accurate version of the WOTR is not boring. Yes we don't know exactly what happened but we do know dates of battles and that people didn't have zips in their clothing.We also know where people were at certain times admittedly not all of the time but forinstance Edward IV was at Middleham castle not Warwick when he was released from his imprisonment by Warwick. I recommend that he reads "Sunne" if he wants a more accurate account.
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> --- In , Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
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> > http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-07-12/the-white-queens-aneurin-barnard-on-why-historical-accuracy-can-be-pretty-boring
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> > ~Weds
> > --
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Re: INTERVIEW: Aneurin Barnard (partially on playing R3)
2013-07-12 19:48:43
leave it to me to go there :-) if it would be somewhat like garter belts and stockings compared to pantyhose, yes, that is generally more comfortable.
and right, Mary, the WOTR is a fascinating time that should not need to be jazzed up for TV.
Nicole
~~~ Music is lots of sound waves coming toward us in a completely chaotic manner and somehow our brain receives that as something beautiful - Matthew Bellamy
To:
From: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 18:34:24 +0000
Subject: Re: INTERVIEW: Aneurin Barnard (partially on playing R3)
And I imagine separate hose were actually more comfortable than tights but perhaps we shouldn't go there....
Marie
--- In , "ricard1an" <maryfriend@...> wrote:
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> No Aneurin, the accurate version of the WOTR is not boring. Yes we don't know exactly what happened but we do know dates of battles and that people didn't have zips in their clothing.We also know where people were at certain times admittedly not all of the time but forinstance Edward IV was at Middleham castle not Warwick when he was released from his imprisonment by Warwick. I recommend that he reads "Sunne" if he wants a more accurate account.
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> --- In , Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
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> > http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-07-12/the-white-queens-aneurin-barnard-on-why-historical-accuracy-can-be-pretty-boring
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> > ~Weds
> > --
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> > - *Me:* I'm upset about the outcome of the War of the Roses.
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and right, Mary, the WOTR is a fascinating time that should not need to be jazzed up for TV.
Nicole
~~~ Music is lots of sound waves coming toward us in a completely chaotic manner and somehow our brain receives that as something beautiful - Matthew Bellamy
To:
From: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 18:34:24 +0000
Subject: Re: INTERVIEW: Aneurin Barnard (partially on playing R3)
And I imagine separate hose were actually more comfortable than tights but perhaps we shouldn't go there....
Marie
--- In , "ricard1an" <maryfriend@...> wrote:
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> No Aneurin, the accurate version of the WOTR is not boring. Yes we don't know exactly what happened but we do know dates of battles and that people didn't have zips in their clothing.We also know where people were at certain times admittedly not all of the time but forinstance Edward IV was at Middleham castle not Warwick when he was released from his imprisonment by Warwick. I recommend that he reads "Sunne" if he wants a more accurate account.
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> --- In , Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
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> > Bits on his playing Richard, the two films he has out now, and other stuff.
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> > http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-07-12/the-white-queens-aneurin-barnard-on-why-historical-accuracy-can-be-pretty-boring
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> > ~Weds
> > --
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Re: INTERVIEW: Aneurin Barnard (partially on playing R3)
2013-07-12 21:47:27
Not quite like stockings. They were like tights where the body seam hasn't been sewn up so they're still in two halves. The top of the hose attached to the bottom of the doublet with ties (points). The codpiece was to cover the gap. I imagine that arrangement prevented chafing, but not being a man I wouldn't really know. It also meant that men didn't have to unfasten all those points to relieve themselves. I guess they'd be as comfortable as the material they were made of.
I think one of the things that puts TV producers off hose is that when they are used they tend to make them rather thick and baggy. Actually, they were worn skin tight - think male ballet dancer rather than Robin Hood. I've been told that young men often refused to kneel in church for fear of making the knees of their hose go baggy.
It would be a culture shock for a modern audience, I admit, because it is the torso men reveal these days to look sexy, but in the 15th century it was the legs. A man couldn't actually remove his shirt without removing his doublet, which would take a bit of time given those points, and cause his hose to fall down - well - as far they'd fall without further encouragement given how tight they were, probably somewhere round about crotch level; not a good look.
And, more seriously, I completely agree that the Wars of the Roses doesn't need dumbing down, sexing up or any of that. In fact, the real story is so much more interesting because of the subtleties, the real political intrigue, the mysteries and most of all the flesh-and-blood three-dimensional human beings caught up in it all. I find The White Queen - the book and the TV series - about as moving as a Victorian melodrama; ie not very moving at all.
Marie
--- In , NICOLE MASIKA <nicolemm_99@...> wrote:
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> leave it to me to go there :-) if it would be somewhat like garter belts and stockings compared to pantyhose, yes, that is generally more comfortable.
> and right, Mary, the WOTR is a fascinating time that should not need to be jazzed up for TV.
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> Nicole
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> ~~~ Music is lots of sound waves coming toward us in a completely chaotic manner and somehow our brain receives that as something beautiful - Matthew Bellamy
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I think one of the things that puts TV producers off hose is that when they are used they tend to make them rather thick and baggy. Actually, they were worn skin tight - think male ballet dancer rather than Robin Hood. I've been told that young men often refused to kneel in church for fear of making the knees of their hose go baggy.
It would be a culture shock for a modern audience, I admit, because it is the torso men reveal these days to look sexy, but in the 15th century it was the legs. A man couldn't actually remove his shirt without removing his doublet, which would take a bit of time given those points, and cause his hose to fall down - well - as far they'd fall without further encouragement given how tight they were, probably somewhere round about crotch level; not a good look.
And, more seriously, I completely agree that the Wars of the Roses doesn't need dumbing down, sexing up or any of that. In fact, the real story is so much more interesting because of the subtleties, the real political intrigue, the mysteries and most of all the flesh-and-blood three-dimensional human beings caught up in it all. I find The White Queen - the book and the TV series - about as moving as a Victorian melodrama; ie not very moving at all.
Marie
--- In , NICOLE MASIKA <nicolemm_99@...> wrote:
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> leave it to me to go there :-) if it would be somewhat like garter belts and stockings compared to pantyhose, yes, that is generally more comfortable.
> and right, Mary, the WOTR is a fascinating time that should not need to be jazzed up for TV.
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> Nicole
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> ~~~ Music is lots of sound waves coming toward us in a completely chaotic manner and somehow our brain receives that as something beautiful - Matthew Bellamy
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Re: INTERVIEW: Aneurin Barnard (partially on playing R3)
2013-07-12 22:55:33
I had a chuckle over the non serious part but I absolutely agree the real story of the WOTR is fascinating and deserves better treatment than it has received in "The White Queen"
--- In richardian
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> Not quite like stockings. They were like tights where the body seam hasn't been sewn up so they're still in two halves. The top of the hose attached to the bottom of the doublet with ties (points). The codpiece was to cover the gap. I imagine that arrangement prevented chafing, but not being a man I wouldn't really know. It also meant that men didn't have to unfasten all those points to relieve themselves. I guess they'd be as comfortable as the material they were made of.
> I think one of the things that puts TV producers off hose is that when they are used they tend to make them rather thick and baggy. Actually, they were worn skin tight - think male ballet dancer rather than Robin Hood. I've been told that young men often refused to kneel in church for fear of making the knees of their hose go baggy.
> It would be a culture shock for a modern audience, I admit, because it is the torso men reveal these days to look sexy, but in the 15th century it was the legs. A man couldn't actually remove his shirt without removing his doublet, which would take a bit of time given those points, and cause his hose to fall down - well - as far they'd fall without further encouragement given how tight they were, probably somewhere round about crotch level; not a good look.
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> --- In , NICOLE MASIKA <nicolemm_99@> wrote:
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> > leave it to me to go there :-) if it would be somewhat like garter belts and stockings compared to pantyhose, yes, that is generally more comfortable.
> > and right, Mary, the WOTR is a fascinating time that should not need to be jazzed up for TV.
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> > Nicole
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> > ~~~ Music is lots of sound waves coming toward us in a completely chaotic manner and somehow our brain receives that as something beautiful - Matthew Bellamy
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> > To:
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--- In richardian
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> I think one of the things that puts TV producers off hose is that when they are used they tend to make them rather thick and baggy. Actually, they were worn skin tight - think male ballet dancer rather than Robin Hood. I've been told that young men often refused to kneel in church for fear of making the knees of their hose go baggy.
> It would be a culture shock for a modern audience, I admit, because it is the torso men reveal these days to look sexy, but in the 15th century it was the legs. A man couldn't actually remove his shirt without removing his doublet, which would take a bit of time given those points, and cause his hose to fall down - well - as far they'd fall without further encouragement given how tight they were, probably somewhere round about crotch level; not a good look.
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> And, more seriously, I completely agree that the Wars of the Roses doesn't need dumbing down, sexing up or any of that. In fact, the real story is so much more interesting because of the subtleties, the real political intrigue, the mysteries and most of all the flesh-and-blood three-dimensional human beings caught up in it all. I find The White Queen - the book and the TV series - about as moving as a Victorian melodrama; ie not very moving at all.
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> --- In , NICOLE MASIKA <nicolemm_99@> wrote:
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> > leave it to me to go there :-) if it would be somewhat like garter belts and stockings compared to pantyhose, yes, that is generally more comfortable.
> > and right, Mary, the WOTR is a fascinating time that should not need to be jazzed up for TV.
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> > Nicole
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> > ~~~ Music is lots of sound waves coming toward us in a completely chaotic manner and somehow our brain receives that as something beautiful - Matthew Bellamy
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Re: INTERVIEW: Aneurin Barnard (partially on playing R3)
2013-07-12 23:33:37
I'll dare go "there," Marie. You are altogether correct. And all my re-eanactor friends seem to agree. :-)
That the trousers the actors ended up wearing in lieu of those dreaded tights were "incredibly itchy" suggests the garments were cheaply constructed (they had no proper linings and/or the seams were left raw and unfinished). Shameful...but completely in keeping with all the other shortcuts taken.
Judy
Loyaulte me lie
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And I imagine separate hose were actually more comfortable than tights but perhaps we shouldn't go there....
Marie
--- In , "ricard1an" <maryfriend@...> wrote:
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> No Aneurin, the accurate version of the WOTR is not boring. Yes we don't know exactly what happened but we do know dates of battles and that people didn't have zips in their clothing.We also know where people were at certain times admittedly not all of the time but forinstance Edward IV was at Middleham castle not Warwick when he was released from his imprisonment by Warwick. I recommend that he reads "Sunne" if he wants a more accurate account.
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> --- In , Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
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> > Bits on his playing Richard, the two films he has out now, and other stuff.
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> > http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-07-12/the-white-queens-aneurin-barnard-on-why-historical-accuracy-can-be-pretty-boring
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> > ~Weds
> > --
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> > - *Friend:* Are you upset about the outcome of the election?
> > - *Me:* I'm upset about the outcome of the War of the Roses.
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That the trousers the actors ended up wearing in lieu of those dreaded tights were "incredibly itchy" suggests the garments were cheaply constructed (they had no proper linings and/or the seams were left raw and unfinished). Shameful...but completely in keeping with all the other shortcuts taken.
Judy
Loyaulte me lie
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From: mariewalsh2003 <[email protected]>
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And I imagine separate hose were actually more comfortable than tights but perhaps we shouldn't go there....
Marie
--- In , "ricard1an" <maryfriend@...> wrote:
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> No Aneurin, the accurate version of the WOTR is not boring. Yes we don't know exactly what happened but we do know dates of battles and that people didn't have zips in their clothing.We also know where people were at certain times admittedly not all of the time but forinstance Edward IV was at Middleham castle not Warwick when he was released from his imprisonment by Warwick. I recommend that he reads "Sunne" if he wants a more accurate account.
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> --- In , Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
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> > Bits on his playing Richard, the two films he has out now, and other stuff.
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> > http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-07-12/the-white-queens-aneurin-barnard-on-why-historical-accuracy-can-be-pretty-boring
> >
> > ~Weds
> > --
> >
> > - *Friend:* Are you upset about the outcome of the election?
> > - *Me:* I'm upset about the outcome of the War of the Roses.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: INTERVIEW: Aneurin Barnard (partially on playing R3)
2013-07-13 15:57:31
Marie wrote:
//snip//
"And, more seriously, I completely agree that the Wars of the Roses doesn't
need dumbing down, sexing up or any of that. In fact, the real story is so
much more interesting because of the subtleties, the real political
intrigue, the mysteries and most of all the flesh-and-blood
three-dimensional human beings caught up in it all. I find The White Queen -
the book and the TV series - about as moving as a Victorian melodrama; ie
not very moving at all."
Doug here:
Well, to be honest, Dickens' writings have all the *elements* of Victorian
melodrama, but he managed to make it so much more. There were all those
other authors who wrote the same sort of stuff, just not nearly so well, yet
their stuff sold!
So, if PG is one of today's Dickens "wannabes", who's she imitating? Penman?
Someone else? And why isn't whoever she's imitating better known?
Doug
(who's dreading WQ's arrival on BBCAmerica)
>
> Marie
>
>
> --- In , NICOLE MASIKA
> <nicolemm_99@...> wrote:
>>
>> leave it to me to go there :-) if it would be somewhat like garter belts
>> and stockings compared to pantyhose, yes, that is generally more
>> comfortable.
>> and right, Mary, the WOTR is a fascinating time that should not need to
>> be jazzed up for TV.
>>
>> Nicole
>>
>> ~~~ Music is lots of sound waves coming toward us in a completely chaotic
>> manner and somehow our brain receives that as something beautiful -
>> Matthew Bellamy
>>
>> To:
>> From: [email protected]
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 18:34:24 +0000
>> Subject: Re: INTERVIEW: Aneurin Barnard
>> (partially on playing R3)
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>> And I imagine separate hose were actually more comfortable than
>> tights but perhaps we shouldn't go there....
>>
>> Marie
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>> --- In , "ricard1an" <maryfriend@>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > No Aneurin, the accurate version of the WOTR is not boring. Yes we
>> > don't know exactly what happened but we do know dates of battles and
>> > that people didn't have zips in their clothing.We also know where
>> > people were at certain times admittedly not all of the time but
>> > forinstance Edward IV was at Middleham castle not Warwick when he was
>> > released from his imprisonment by Warwick. I recommend that he reads
>> > "Sunne" if he wants a more accurate account.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > --- In , Wednesday McKenna
>> > <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > Bits on his playing Richard, the two films he has out now, and other
>> > > stuff.
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-07-12/the-white-queens-aneurin-barnard-on-why-historical-accuracy-can-be-pretty-boring
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > ~Weds
>>
>> > > --
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > - *Friend:* Are you upset about the outcome of the election?
>>
>> > > - *Me:* I'm upset about the outcome of the War of the Roses.
>>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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//snip//
"And, more seriously, I completely agree that the Wars of the Roses doesn't
need dumbing down, sexing up or any of that. In fact, the real story is so
much more interesting because of the subtleties, the real political
intrigue, the mysteries and most of all the flesh-and-blood
three-dimensional human beings caught up in it all. I find The White Queen -
the book and the TV series - about as moving as a Victorian melodrama; ie
not very moving at all."
Doug here:
Well, to be honest, Dickens' writings have all the *elements* of Victorian
melodrama, but he managed to make it so much more. There were all those
other authors who wrote the same sort of stuff, just not nearly so well, yet
their stuff sold!
So, if PG is one of today's Dickens "wannabes", who's she imitating? Penman?
Someone else? And why isn't whoever she's imitating better known?
Doug
(who's dreading WQ's arrival on BBCAmerica)
>
> Marie
>
>
> --- In , NICOLE MASIKA
> <nicolemm_99@...> wrote:
>>
>> leave it to me to go there :-) if it would be somewhat like garter belts
>> and stockings compared to pantyhose, yes, that is generally more
>> comfortable.
>> and right, Mary, the WOTR is a fascinating time that should not need to
>> be jazzed up for TV.
>>
>> Nicole
>>
>> ~~~ Music is lots of sound waves coming toward us in a completely chaotic
>> manner and somehow our brain receives that as something beautiful -
>> Matthew Bellamy
>>
>> To:
>> From: [email protected]
>> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 18:34:24 +0000
>> Subject: Re: INTERVIEW: Aneurin Barnard
>> (partially on playing R3)
>>
>>
>>
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>> And I imagine separate hose were actually more comfortable than
>> tights but perhaps we shouldn't go there....
>>
>> Marie
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In , "ricard1an" <maryfriend@>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > No Aneurin, the accurate version of the WOTR is not boring. Yes we
>> > don't know exactly what happened but we do know dates of battles and
>> > that people didn't have zips in their clothing.We also know where
>> > people were at certain times admittedly not all of the time but
>> > forinstance Edward IV was at Middleham castle not Warwick when he was
>> > released from his imprisonment by Warwick. I recommend that he reads
>> > "Sunne" if he wants a more accurate account.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > --- In , Wednesday McKenna
>> > <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > Bits on his playing Richard, the two films he has out now, and other
>> > > stuff.
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-07-12/the-white-queens-aneurin-barnard-on-why-historical-accuracy-can-be-pretty-boring
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > ~Weds
>>
>> > > --
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > > - *Friend:* Are you upset about the outcome of the election?
>>
>> > > - *Me:* I'm upset about the outcome of the War of the Roses.
>>
>> > >
>>
>> > >
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: INTERVIEW: Aneurin Barnard (partially on playing R3)
2013-07-13 20:53:54
I am sure that Sharon Penman would not describe herself as a historian but as a lawyer and a historical novelist, however, her research is better than some historians and certainly better than PG.
--- In , "Douglas Eugene Stamate" <destama@...> wrote:
>
>
> Marie wrote:
>
>
> //snip//
> "And, more seriously, I completely agree that the Wars of the Roses doesn't
> need dumbing down, sexing up or any of that. In fact, the real story is so
> much more interesting because of the subtleties, the real political
> intrigue, the mysteries and most of all the flesh-and-blood
> three-dimensional human beings caught up in it all. I find The White Queen -
> the book and the TV series - about as moving as a Victorian melodrama; ie
> not very moving at all."
>
> Doug here:
> Well, to be honest, Dickens' writings have all the *elements* of Victorian
> melodrama, but he managed to make it so much more. There were all those
> other authors who wrote the same sort of stuff, just not nearly so well, yet
> their stuff sold!
> So, if PG is one of today's Dickens "wannabes", who's she imitating? Penman?
> Someone else? And why isn't whoever she's imitating better known?
> Doug
> (who's dreading WQ's arrival on BBCAmerica)
> >
> > Marie
> >
> >
> > --- In , NICOLE MASIKA
> > <nicolemm_99@> wrote:
> >>
> >> leave it to me to go there :-) if it would be somewhat like garter belts
> >> and stockings compared to pantyhose, yes, that is generally more
> >> comfortable.
> >> and right, Mary, the WOTR is a fascinating time that should not need to
> >> be jazzed up for TV.
> >>
> >> Nicole
> >>
> >> ~~~ Music is lots of sound waves coming toward us in a completely chaotic
> >> manner and somehow our brain receives that as something beautiful -
> >> Matthew Bellamy
> >>
> >> To:
> >> From: [email protected]
> >> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 18:34:24 +0000
> >> Subject: Re: INTERVIEW: Aneurin Barnard
> >> (partially on playing R3)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> And I imagine separate hose were actually more comfortable than
> >> tights but perhaps we shouldn't go there....
> >>
> >> Marie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In , "ricard1an" <maryfriend@>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > No Aneurin, the accurate version of the WOTR is not boring. Yes we
> >> > don't know exactly what happened but we do know dates of battles and
> >> > that people didn't have zips in their clothing.We also know where
> >> > people were at certain times admittedly not all of the time but
> >> > forinstance Edward IV was at Middleham castle not Warwick when he was
> >> > released from his imprisonment by Warwick. I recommend that he reads
> >> > "Sunne" if he wants a more accurate account.
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > --- In , Wednesday McKenna
> >> > <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
> >>
> >> > >
> >>
> >> > > Bits on his playing Richard, the two films he has out now, and other
> >> > > stuff.
> >>
> >> > >
> >>
> >> > > http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-07-12/the-white-queens-aneurin-barnard-on-why-historical-accuracy-can-be-pretty-boring
> >>
> >> > >
> >>
> >> > > ~Weds
> >>
> >> > > --
> >>
> >> > >
> >>
> >> > > - *Friend:* Are you upset about the outcome of the election?
> >>
> >> > > - *Me:* I'm upset about the outcome of the War of the Roses.
> >>
> >> > >
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> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
--- In , "Douglas Eugene Stamate" <destama@...> wrote:
>
>
> Marie wrote:
>
>
> //snip//
> "And, more seriously, I completely agree that the Wars of the Roses doesn't
> need dumbing down, sexing up or any of that. In fact, the real story is so
> much more interesting because of the subtleties, the real political
> intrigue, the mysteries and most of all the flesh-and-blood
> three-dimensional human beings caught up in it all. I find The White Queen -
> the book and the TV series - about as moving as a Victorian melodrama; ie
> not very moving at all."
>
> Doug here:
> Well, to be honest, Dickens' writings have all the *elements* of Victorian
> melodrama, but he managed to make it so much more. There were all those
> other authors who wrote the same sort of stuff, just not nearly so well, yet
> their stuff sold!
> So, if PG is one of today's Dickens "wannabes", who's she imitating? Penman?
> Someone else? And why isn't whoever she's imitating better known?
> Doug
> (who's dreading WQ's arrival on BBCAmerica)
> >
> > Marie
> >
> >
> > --- In , NICOLE MASIKA
> > <nicolemm_99@> wrote:
> >>
> >> leave it to me to go there :-) if it would be somewhat like garter belts
> >> and stockings compared to pantyhose, yes, that is generally more
> >> comfortable.
> >> and right, Mary, the WOTR is a fascinating time that should not need to
> >> be jazzed up for TV.
> >>
> >> Nicole
> >>
> >> ~~~ Music is lots of sound waves coming toward us in a completely chaotic
> >> manner and somehow our brain receives that as something beautiful -
> >> Matthew Bellamy
> >>
> >> To:
> >> From: [email protected]
> >> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 18:34:24 +0000
> >> Subject: Re: INTERVIEW: Aneurin Barnard
> >> (partially on playing R3)
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> And I imagine separate hose were actually more comfortable than
> >> tights but perhaps we shouldn't go there....
> >>
> >> Marie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In , "ricard1an" <maryfriend@>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > No Aneurin, the accurate version of the WOTR is not boring. Yes we
> >> > don't know exactly what happened but we do know dates of battles and
> >> > that people didn't have zips in their clothing.We also know where
> >> > people were at certain times admittedly not all of the time but
> >> > forinstance Edward IV was at Middleham castle not Warwick when he was
> >> > released from his imprisonment by Warwick. I recommend that he reads
> >> > "Sunne" if he wants a more accurate account.
> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >> > --- In , Wednesday McKenna
> >> > <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
> >>
> >> > >
> >>
> >> > > Bits on his playing Richard, the two films he has out now, and other
> >> > > stuff.
> >>
> >> > >
> >>
> >> > > http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-07-12/the-white-queens-aneurin-barnard-on-why-historical-accuracy-can-be-pretty-boring
> >>
> >> > >
> >>
> >> > > ~Weds
> >>
> >> > > --
> >>
> >> > >
> >>
> >> > > - *Friend:* Are you upset about the outcome of the election?
> >>
> >> > > - *Me:* I'm upset about the outcome of the War of the Roses.
> >>
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> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> >
> >
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