Commissions of the Peace
Commissions of the Peace
2013-07-23 14:53:08
I have a general question & a specific one.
What exactly did being named to a Commission of the Peace entail. From a
little looking on line, it seems to have morphed (or perhaps always was?)
into the equivalent of being named a Justice of the Peace. Did a
Commission actually sit as a body (seems unlikely since the great lords
appear to have been named to every one listed in the Calendar of the Patent
Rolls, unless they were too young, dead, or out of favour with the current
king. The Commissions under each king seem to have most of the same
members, with a couple of additions & deletions almost every year; but are
more different between Kings. Take Devonshire for instance,
5. Exeter, 16 Apr 1470 [10 *Edward IV*. Part 1. m. 15d.]
*J. bp of Exeter*, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of Dynham, knight, John, abbot
of Stavystoke/Tavestok, *Henry Webber, dean of Exeter cathedral*, *Walter
Moyle, knight*, *Thomas Yonge*, Philip Beaumont, Henry Pomeray, John
Champernoun, John Gyfford/Gefford, Thomas Doweryssh/Dowrissh, *John Orchard*,
*Philip Copleston*, *John Denys*, *William Shyllyngford*, John
Byconell/Byconyll, Thomas Calwodeley, *William
Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld*, *Richard,
duke of Gloucester*, John, earl of Wiltshire, Fulk Bourghchier of Fitz
Wareyn, knight, Walter Blount of Mountjoy, knight
6. Westminster, 30 Nov 1470 [49 *Henry VI*. m. 26d.]
*J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, *Richard, earl of Warwick &
Salisbury*, *Henry Webber, dean of Exeter cathedral*, *Walter Moyle, knight*,
*Thomas Yonge*, William Courtenay, knight, *John Orchard*, *Philip Copleston
*, *John Denys*, *William Shyllyngford*, *William Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld*,
Halnath Maulyverer, Richard Wydeslade/Whittyslade/Wytyslade
Then when Edward IV was restored --
10. Westminster, 20 Feb 1471 [49 *Henry VI*. m. 22d.]
*J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, *Richard, earl of Warwick &
Salisbury*, *John, abbot of Stavystoke/Tavestok,* Henry Webber, dean of
Exeter cathedral, Walter Moyle, knight, Thomas Yonge, *William Courtenay,
knight*, *John Orchard*, Philip Copleston, *John Denys*, William
Shyllyngford, William Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld, Hugh Courtenay, knight,
Halnath Maulyverer, *John Halwell/Hawell*
11. Westminster, 20 Jun 1471 [11 *Edward IV*. Part I. m. 29d.]
*J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of
Dynham, knight, *John, abbot of Stavystoke/Tavestok*, *William Courtenay,
knight*, Philip Beaumont, Henry Pomeray, John Champernoun, Thomas
Doweryssh/Dowrissh, *John Orchard*, *John Denys,* *Richard, duke of
Gloucester*, John, earl of Wiltshire, Fulk Bourghchier of Fitz Wareyn,
knight, *John Halwell/Hawell*, Richard Choke, knight, John Catesby, Philip
Courteney, knight, John Crokker, knight, Charles Dynham, Christopher
Cooke/Coke
The specific question is can we relate this next Commission to something
else going on - it is remarkable for the presence of so many men who were
not named to any other of the 19 Commissions 1468-1477.
15. Banbury, 24 Sep 1474 [14 Edward IV. Part 1. m. 24d.]
George, duke of Clarence, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of Dynham, knight, John
Denys, Richard, duke of Gloucester, Richard Choke, knight, *William
Hastynges of Hastynges, knight*, *Thomas Stanley of Stanley, knight*, *John
Audeley of Audeley, knight*, *John Sutton of Dudley, knight*, *Richard
Hastynges, knight*, *Thomas Lytelton*, *William Notyngham*, *Henry Boteler*
A J
What exactly did being named to a Commission of the Peace entail. From a
little looking on line, it seems to have morphed (or perhaps always was?)
into the equivalent of being named a Justice of the Peace. Did a
Commission actually sit as a body (seems unlikely since the great lords
appear to have been named to every one listed in the Calendar of the Patent
Rolls, unless they were too young, dead, or out of favour with the current
king. The Commissions under each king seem to have most of the same
members, with a couple of additions & deletions almost every year; but are
more different between Kings. Take Devonshire for instance,
5. Exeter, 16 Apr 1470 [10 *Edward IV*. Part 1. m. 15d.]
*J. bp of Exeter*, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of Dynham, knight, John, abbot
of Stavystoke/Tavestok, *Henry Webber, dean of Exeter cathedral*, *Walter
Moyle, knight*, *Thomas Yonge*, Philip Beaumont, Henry Pomeray, John
Champernoun, John Gyfford/Gefford, Thomas Doweryssh/Dowrissh, *John Orchard*,
*Philip Copleston*, *John Denys*, *William Shyllyngford*, John
Byconell/Byconyll, Thomas Calwodeley, *William
Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld*, *Richard,
duke of Gloucester*, John, earl of Wiltshire, Fulk Bourghchier of Fitz
Wareyn, knight, Walter Blount of Mountjoy, knight
6. Westminster, 30 Nov 1470 [49 *Henry VI*. m. 26d.]
*J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, *Richard, earl of Warwick &
Salisbury*, *Henry Webber, dean of Exeter cathedral*, *Walter Moyle, knight*,
*Thomas Yonge*, William Courtenay, knight, *John Orchard*, *Philip Copleston
*, *John Denys*, *William Shyllyngford*, *William Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld*,
Halnath Maulyverer, Richard Wydeslade/Whittyslade/Wytyslade
Then when Edward IV was restored --
10. Westminster, 20 Feb 1471 [49 *Henry VI*. m. 22d.]
*J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, *Richard, earl of Warwick &
Salisbury*, *John, abbot of Stavystoke/Tavestok,* Henry Webber, dean of
Exeter cathedral, Walter Moyle, knight, Thomas Yonge, *William Courtenay,
knight*, *John Orchard*, Philip Copleston, *John Denys*, William
Shyllyngford, William Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld, Hugh Courtenay, knight,
Halnath Maulyverer, *John Halwell/Hawell*
11. Westminster, 20 Jun 1471 [11 *Edward IV*. Part I. m. 29d.]
*J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of
Dynham, knight, *John, abbot of Stavystoke/Tavestok*, *William Courtenay,
knight*, Philip Beaumont, Henry Pomeray, John Champernoun, Thomas
Doweryssh/Dowrissh, *John Orchard*, *John Denys,* *Richard, duke of
Gloucester*, John, earl of Wiltshire, Fulk Bourghchier of Fitz Wareyn,
knight, *John Halwell/Hawell*, Richard Choke, knight, John Catesby, Philip
Courteney, knight, John Crokker, knight, Charles Dynham, Christopher
Cooke/Coke
The specific question is can we relate this next Commission to something
else going on - it is remarkable for the presence of so many men who were
not named to any other of the 19 Commissions 1468-1477.
15. Banbury, 24 Sep 1474 [14 Edward IV. Part 1. m. 24d.]
George, duke of Clarence, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of Dynham, knight, John
Denys, Richard, duke of Gloucester, Richard Choke, knight, *William
Hastynges of Hastynges, knight*, *Thomas Stanley of Stanley, knight*, *John
Audeley of Audeley, knight*, *John Sutton of Dudley, knight*, *Richard
Hastynges, knight*, *Thomas Lytelton*, *William Notyngham*, *Henry Boteler*
A J
Re: Commissions of the Peace
2013-07-23 15:21:05
Have you got Ross Edward IV? Pages 396 onwards are good on this and on Oyer and Terminer.
A Justice of the Peace was a person (and still is) appointed and paid (in those days) by the Crown. Sometimes Commissions of the Peace included these - I can spot Richard Choke in your lists.
Hope this helps . H
________________________________
From: A J Hibbard <ajhibbard@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 14:53
Subject: Commissions of the Peace
I have a general question & a specific one.
What exactly did being named to a Commission of the Peace entail. From a
little looking on line, it seems to have morphed (or perhaps always was?)
into the equivalent of being named a Justice of the Peace. Did a
Commission actually sit as a body (seems unlikely since the great lords
appear to have been named to every one listed in the Calendar of the Patent
Rolls, unless they were too young, dead, or out of favour with the current
king. The Commissions under each king seem to have most of the same
members, with a couple of additions & deletions almost every year; but are
more different between Kings. Take Devonshire for instance,
5. Exeter, 16 Apr 1470 [10 *Edward IV*. Part 1. m. 15d.]
*J. bp of Exeter*, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of Dynham, knight, John, abbot
of Stavystoke/Tavestok, *Henry Webber, dean of Exeter cathedral*, *Walter
Moyle, knight*, *Thomas Yonge*, Philip Beaumont, Henry Pomeray, John
Champernoun, John Gyfford/Gefford, Thomas Doweryssh/Dowrissh, *John Orchard*,
*Philip Copleston*, *John Denys*, *William Shyllyngford*, John
Byconell/Byconyll, Thomas Calwodeley, *William
Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld*, *Richard,
duke of Gloucester*, John, earl of Wiltshire, Fulk Bourghchier of Fitz
Wareyn, knight, Walter Blount of Mountjoy, knight
6. Westminster, 30 Nov 1470 [49 *Henry VI*. m. 26d.]
*J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, *Richard, earl of Warwick &
Salisbury*, *Henry Webber, dean of Exeter cathedral*, *Walter Moyle, knight*,
*Thomas Yonge*, William Courtenay, knight, *John Orchard*, *Philip Copleston
*, *John Denys*, *William Shyllyngford*, *William Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld*,
Halnath Maulyverer, Richard Wydeslade/Whittyslade/Wytyslade
Then when Edward IV was restored --
10. Westminster, 20 Feb 1471 [49 *Henry VI*. m. 22d.]
*J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, *Richard, earl of Warwick &
Salisbury*, *John, abbot of Stavystoke/Tavestok,* Henry Webber, dean of
Exeter cathedral, Walter Moyle, knight, Thomas Yonge, *William Courtenay,
knight*, *John Orchard*, Philip Copleston, *John Denys*, William
Shyllyngford, William Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld, Hugh Courtenay, knight,
Halnath Maulyverer, *John Halwell/Hawell*
11. Westminster, 20 Jun 1471 [11 *Edward IV*. Part I. m. 29d.]
*J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of
Dynham, knight, *John, abbot of Stavystoke/Tavestok*, *William Courtenay,
knight*, Philip Beaumont, Henry Pomeray, John Champernoun, Thomas
Doweryssh/Dowrissh, *John Orchard*, *John Denys,* *Richard, duke of
Gloucester*, John, earl of Wiltshire, Fulk Bourghchier of Fitz Wareyn,
knight, *John Halwell/Hawell*, Richard Choke, knight, John Catesby, Philip
Courteney, knight, John Crokker, knight, Charles Dynham, Christopher
Cooke/Coke
The specific question is can we relate this next Commission to something
else going on - it is remarkable for the presence of so many men who were
not named to any other of the 19 Commissions 1468-1477.
15. Banbury, 24 Sep 1474 [14 Edward IV. Part 1. m. 24d.]
George, duke of Clarence, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of Dynham, knight, John
Denys, Richard, duke of Gloucester, Richard Choke, knight, *William
Hastynges of Hastynges, knight*, *Thomas Stanley of Stanley, knight*, *John
Audeley of Audeley, knight*, *John Sutton of Dudley, knight*, *Richard
Hastynges, knight*, *Thomas Lytelton*, *William Notyngham*, *Henry Boteler*
A J
A Justice of the Peace was a person (and still is) appointed and paid (in those days) by the Crown. Sometimes Commissions of the Peace included these - I can spot Richard Choke in your lists.
Hope this helps . H
________________________________
From: A J Hibbard <ajhibbard@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 14:53
Subject: Commissions of the Peace
I have a general question & a specific one.
What exactly did being named to a Commission of the Peace entail. From a
little looking on line, it seems to have morphed (or perhaps always was?)
into the equivalent of being named a Justice of the Peace. Did a
Commission actually sit as a body (seems unlikely since the great lords
appear to have been named to every one listed in the Calendar of the Patent
Rolls, unless they were too young, dead, or out of favour with the current
king. The Commissions under each king seem to have most of the same
members, with a couple of additions & deletions almost every year; but are
more different between Kings. Take Devonshire for instance,
5. Exeter, 16 Apr 1470 [10 *Edward IV*. Part 1. m. 15d.]
*J. bp of Exeter*, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of Dynham, knight, John, abbot
of Stavystoke/Tavestok, *Henry Webber, dean of Exeter cathedral*, *Walter
Moyle, knight*, *Thomas Yonge*, Philip Beaumont, Henry Pomeray, John
Champernoun, John Gyfford/Gefford, Thomas Doweryssh/Dowrissh, *John Orchard*,
*Philip Copleston*, *John Denys*, *William Shyllyngford*, John
Byconell/Byconyll, Thomas Calwodeley, *William
Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld*, *Richard,
duke of Gloucester*, John, earl of Wiltshire, Fulk Bourghchier of Fitz
Wareyn, knight, Walter Blount of Mountjoy, knight
6. Westminster, 30 Nov 1470 [49 *Henry VI*. m. 26d.]
*J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, *Richard, earl of Warwick &
Salisbury*, *Henry Webber, dean of Exeter cathedral*, *Walter Moyle, knight*,
*Thomas Yonge*, William Courtenay, knight, *John Orchard*, *Philip Copleston
*, *John Denys*, *William Shyllyngford*, *William Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld*,
Halnath Maulyverer, Richard Wydeslade/Whittyslade/Wytyslade
Then when Edward IV was restored --
10. Westminster, 20 Feb 1471 [49 *Henry VI*. m. 22d.]
*J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, *Richard, earl of Warwick &
Salisbury*, *John, abbot of Stavystoke/Tavestok,* Henry Webber, dean of
Exeter cathedral, Walter Moyle, knight, Thomas Yonge, *William Courtenay,
knight*, *John Orchard*, Philip Copleston, *John Denys*, William
Shyllyngford, William Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld, Hugh Courtenay, knight,
Halnath Maulyverer, *John Halwell/Hawell*
11. Westminster, 20 Jun 1471 [11 *Edward IV*. Part I. m. 29d.]
*J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of
Dynham, knight, *John, abbot of Stavystoke/Tavestok*, *William Courtenay,
knight*, Philip Beaumont, Henry Pomeray, John Champernoun, Thomas
Doweryssh/Dowrissh, *John Orchard*, *John Denys,* *Richard, duke of
Gloucester*, John, earl of Wiltshire, Fulk Bourghchier of Fitz Wareyn,
knight, *John Halwell/Hawell*, Richard Choke, knight, John Catesby, Philip
Courteney, knight, John Crokker, knight, Charles Dynham, Christopher
Cooke/Coke
The specific question is can we relate this next Commission to something
else going on - it is remarkable for the presence of so many men who were
not named to any other of the 19 Commissions 1468-1477.
15. Banbury, 24 Sep 1474 [14 Edward IV. Part 1. m. 24d.]
George, duke of Clarence, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of Dynham, knight, John
Denys, Richard, duke of Gloucester, Richard Choke, knight, *William
Hastynges of Hastynges, knight*, *Thomas Stanley of Stanley, knight*, *John
Audeley of Audeley, knight*, *John Sutton of Dudley, knight*, *Richard
Hastynges, knight*, *Thomas Lytelton*, *William Notyngham*, *Henry Boteler*
A J
Re: Commissions of the Peace
2013-07-23 15:37:36
I think I do - will have a rummage later. Thanks. I'm assuming (although
assumptions are dangerous) that the men without titles of any kind were the
professional men that Richard wanted to have present during meetings of his
council in the north????
A J
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...> wrote:
> **
>
>
> Have you got Ross Edward IV? Pages 396 onwards are good on this and on
> Oyer and Terminer.
>
> A Justice of the Peace was a person (and still is) appointed and paid (in
> those days) by the Crown. Sometimes Commissions of the Peace included these
> - I can spot Richard Choke in your lists.
>
> Hope this helps . H
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: A J Hibbard <ajhibbard@...>
> To: "" <
> >
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 14:53
> Subject: Commissions of the Peace
>
>
>
>
>
> I have a general question & a specific one.
>
> What exactly did being named to a Commission of the Peace entail. From a
> little looking on line, it seems to have morphed (or perhaps always was?)
> into the equivalent of being named a Justice of the Peace. Did a
> Commission actually sit as a body (seems unlikely since the great lords
> appear to have been named to every one listed in the Calendar of the Patent
> Rolls, unless they were too young, dead, or out of favour with the current
> king. The Commissions under each king seem to have most of the same
> members, with a couple of additions & deletions almost every year; but are
> more different between Kings. Take Devonshire for instance,
>
> 5. Exeter, 16 Apr 1470 [10 *Edward IV*. Part 1. m. 15d.]
> *J. bp of Exeter*, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of Dynham, knight, John, abbot
> of Stavystoke/Tavestok, *Henry Webber, dean of Exeter cathedral*, *Walter
> Moyle, knight*, *Thomas Yonge*, Philip Beaumont, Henry Pomeray, John
> Champernoun, John Gyfford/Gefford, Thomas Doweryssh/Dowrissh, *John
> Orchard*,
> *Philip Copleston*, *John Denys*, *William Shyllyngford*, John
> Byconell/Byconyll, Thomas Calwodeley, *William
> Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld*, *Richard,
> duke of Gloucester*, John, earl of Wiltshire, Fulk Bourghchier of Fitz
>
> Wareyn, knight, Walter Blount of Mountjoy, knight
>
> 6. Westminster, 30 Nov 1470 [49 *Henry VI*. m. 26d.]
> *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, *Richard, earl of Warwick &
> Salisbury*, *Henry Webber, dean of Exeter cathedral*, *Walter Moyle,
> knight*,
> *Thomas Yonge*, William Courtenay, knight, *John Orchard*, *Philip
> Copleston
> *, *John Denys*, *William Shyllyngford*, *William Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld*,
>
> Halnath Maulyverer, Richard Wydeslade/Whittyslade/Wytyslade
>
> Then when Edward IV was restored --
>
> 10. Westminster, 20 Feb 1471 [49 *Henry VI*. m. 22d.]
> *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, *Richard, earl of Warwick &
> Salisbury*, *John, abbot of Stavystoke/Tavestok,* Henry Webber, dean of
> Exeter cathedral, Walter Moyle, knight, Thomas Yonge, *William Courtenay,
> knight*, *John Orchard*, Philip Copleston, *John Denys*, William
>
> Shyllyngford, William Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld, Hugh Courtenay, knight,
> Halnath Maulyverer, *John Halwell/Hawell*
>
> 11. Westminster, 20 Jun 1471 [11 *Edward IV*. Part I. m. 29d.]
> *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of
> Dynham, knight, *John, abbot of Stavystoke/Tavestok*, *William Courtenay,
> knight*, Philip Beaumont, Henry Pomeray, John Champernoun, Thomas
> Doweryssh/Dowrissh, *John Orchard*, *John Denys,* *Richard, duke of
> Gloucester*, John, earl of Wiltshire, Fulk Bourghchier of Fitz Wareyn,
> knight, *John Halwell/Hawell*, Richard Choke, knight, John Catesby, Philip
>
> Courteney, knight, John Crokker, knight, Charles Dynham, Christopher
> Cooke/Coke
>
> The specific question is can we relate this next Commission to something
> else going on - it is remarkable for the presence of so many men who were
> not named to any other of the 19 Commissions 1468-1477.
>
> 15. Banbury, 24 Sep 1474 [14 Edward IV. Part 1. m. 24d.]
> George, duke of Clarence, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of Dynham, knight, John
> Denys, Richard, duke of Gloucester, Richard Choke, knight, *William
> Hastynges of Hastynges, knight*, *Thomas Stanley of Stanley, knight*, *John
> Audeley of Audeley, knight*, *John Sutton of Dudley, knight*, *Richard
> Hastynges, knight*, *Thomas Lytelton*, *William Notyngham*, *Henry Boteler*
>
> A J
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
assumptions are dangerous) that the men without titles of any kind were the
professional men that Richard wanted to have present during meetings of his
council in the north????
A J
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...> wrote:
> **
>
>
> Have you got Ross Edward IV? Pages 396 onwards are good on this and on
> Oyer and Terminer.
>
> A Justice of the Peace was a person (and still is) appointed and paid (in
> those days) by the Crown. Sometimes Commissions of the Peace included these
> - I can spot Richard Choke in your lists.
>
> Hope this helps . H
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: A J Hibbard <ajhibbard@...>
> To: "" <
> >
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 14:53
> Subject: Commissions of the Peace
>
>
>
>
>
> I have a general question & a specific one.
>
> What exactly did being named to a Commission of the Peace entail. From a
> little looking on line, it seems to have morphed (or perhaps always was?)
> into the equivalent of being named a Justice of the Peace. Did a
> Commission actually sit as a body (seems unlikely since the great lords
> appear to have been named to every one listed in the Calendar of the Patent
> Rolls, unless they were too young, dead, or out of favour with the current
> king. The Commissions under each king seem to have most of the same
> members, with a couple of additions & deletions almost every year; but are
> more different between Kings. Take Devonshire for instance,
>
> 5. Exeter, 16 Apr 1470 [10 *Edward IV*. Part 1. m. 15d.]
> *J. bp of Exeter*, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of Dynham, knight, John, abbot
> of Stavystoke/Tavestok, *Henry Webber, dean of Exeter cathedral*, *Walter
> Moyle, knight*, *Thomas Yonge*, Philip Beaumont, Henry Pomeray, John
> Champernoun, John Gyfford/Gefford, Thomas Doweryssh/Dowrissh, *John
> Orchard*,
> *Philip Copleston*, *John Denys*, *William Shyllyngford*, John
> Byconell/Byconyll, Thomas Calwodeley, *William
> Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld*, *Richard,
> duke of Gloucester*, John, earl of Wiltshire, Fulk Bourghchier of Fitz
>
> Wareyn, knight, Walter Blount of Mountjoy, knight
>
> 6. Westminster, 30 Nov 1470 [49 *Henry VI*. m. 26d.]
> *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, *Richard, earl of Warwick &
> Salisbury*, *Henry Webber, dean of Exeter cathedral*, *Walter Moyle,
> knight*,
> *Thomas Yonge*, William Courtenay, knight, *John Orchard*, *Philip
> Copleston
> *, *John Denys*, *William Shyllyngford*, *William Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld*,
>
> Halnath Maulyverer, Richard Wydeslade/Whittyslade/Wytyslade
>
> Then when Edward IV was restored --
>
> 10. Westminster, 20 Feb 1471 [49 *Henry VI*. m. 22d.]
> *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, *Richard, earl of Warwick &
> Salisbury*, *John, abbot of Stavystoke/Tavestok,* Henry Webber, dean of
> Exeter cathedral, Walter Moyle, knight, Thomas Yonge, *William Courtenay,
> knight*, *John Orchard*, Philip Copleston, *John Denys*, William
>
> Shyllyngford, William Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld, Hugh Courtenay, knight,
> Halnath Maulyverer, *John Halwell/Hawell*
>
> 11. Westminster, 20 Jun 1471 [11 *Edward IV*. Part I. m. 29d.]
> *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of
> Dynham, knight, *John, abbot of Stavystoke/Tavestok*, *William Courtenay,
> knight*, Philip Beaumont, Henry Pomeray, John Champernoun, Thomas
> Doweryssh/Dowrissh, *John Orchard*, *John Denys,* *Richard, duke of
> Gloucester*, John, earl of Wiltshire, Fulk Bourghchier of Fitz Wareyn,
> knight, *John Halwell/Hawell*, Richard Choke, knight, John Catesby, Philip
>
> Courteney, knight, John Crokker, knight, Charles Dynham, Christopher
> Cooke/Coke
>
> The specific question is can we relate this next Commission to something
> else going on - it is remarkable for the presence of so many men who were
> not named to any other of the 19 Commissions 1468-1477.
>
> 15. Banbury, 24 Sep 1474 [14 Edward IV. Part 1. m. 24d.]
> George, duke of Clarence, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of Dynham, knight, John
> Denys, Richard, duke of Gloucester, Richard Choke, knight, *William
> Hastynges of Hastynges, knight*, *Thomas Stanley of Stanley, knight*, *John
> Audeley of Audeley, knight*, *John Sutton of Dudley, knight*, *Richard
> Hastynges, knight*, *Thomas Lytelton*, *William Notyngham*, *Henry Boteler*
>
> A J
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Commissions of the Peace
2013-07-23 15:40:37
Probably! Looking at the CPR for Edward I reckon there were too few people to go round to do all this (and some wouldn't want to). There's a lovely story that Clarence tore a strip off a mayor who went to sleep during one. I rather like him for that.
________________________________
From: A J Hibbard <ajhibbard@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 15:37
Subject: Re: Commissions of the Peace
I think I do - will have a rummage later. Thanks. I'm assuming (although
assumptions are dangerous) that the men without titles of any kind were the
professional men that Richard wanted to have present during meetings of his
council in the north????
A J
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...> wrote:
> **
>
>
> Have you got Ross Edward IV? Pages 396 onwards are good on this and on
> Oyer and Terminer.
>
> A Justice of the Peace was a person (and still is) appointed and paid (in
> those days) by the Crown. Sometimes Commissions of the Peace included these
> - I can spot Richard Choke in your lists.
>
> Hope this helps . H
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: A J Hibbard <ajhibbard@...>
> To: "" <
> >
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 14:53
> Subject: Commissions of the Peace
>
>
>
>
>
> I have a general question & a specific one.
>
> What exactly did being named to a Commission of the Peace entail. From a
> little looking on line, it seems to have morphed (or perhaps always was?)
> into the equivalent of being named a Justice of the Peace. Did a
> Commission actually sit as a body (seems unlikely since the great lords
> appear to have been named to every one listed in the Calendar of the Patent
> Rolls, unless they were too young, dead, or out of favour with the current
> king. The Commissions under each king seem to have most of the same
> members, with a couple of additions & deletions almost every year; but are
> more different between Kings. Take Devonshire for instance,
>
> 5. Exeter, 16 Apr 1470 [10 *Edward IV*. Part 1. m. 15d.]
> *J. bp of Exeter*, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of Dynham, knight, John, abbot
> of Stavystoke/Tavestok, *Henry Webber, dean of Exeter cathedral*, *Walter
> Moyle, knight*, *Thomas Yonge*, Philip Beaumont, Henry Pomeray, John
> Champernoun, John Gyfford/Gefford, Thomas Doweryssh/Dowrissh, *John
> Orchard*,
> *Philip Copleston*, *John Denys*, *William Shyllyngford*, John
> Byconell/Byconyll, Thomas Calwodeley, *William
> Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld*, *Richard,
> duke of Gloucester*, John, earl of Wiltshire, Fulk Bourghchier of Fitz
>
> Wareyn, knight, Walter Blount of Mountjoy, knight
>
> 6. Westminster, 30 Nov 1470 [49 *Henry VI*. m. 26d.]
> *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, *Richard, earl of Warwick &
> Salisbury*, *Henry Webber, dean of Exeter cathedral*, *Walter Moyle,
> knight*,
> *Thomas Yonge*, William Courtenay, knight, *John Orchard*, *Philip
> Copleston
> *, *John Denys*, *William Shyllyngford*, *William Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld*,
>
> Halnath Maulyverer, Richard Wydeslade/Whittyslade/Wytyslade
>
> Then when Edward IV was restored --
>
> 10. Westminster, 20 Feb 1471 [49 *Henry VI*. m. 22d.]
> *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, *Richard, earl of Warwick &
> Salisbury*, *John, abbot of Stavystoke/Tavestok,* Henry Webber, dean of
> Exeter cathedral, Walter Moyle, knight, Thomas Yonge, *William Courtenay,
> knight*, *John Orchard*, Philip Copleston, *John Denys*, William
>
> Shyllyngford, William Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld, Hugh Courtenay, knight,
> Halnath Maulyverer, *John Halwell/Hawell*
>
> 11. Westminster, 20 Jun 1471 [11 *Edward IV*. Part I. m. 29d.]
> *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of
> Dynham, knight, *John, abbot of Stavystoke/Tavestok*, *William Courtenay,
> knight*, Philip Beaumont, Henry Pomeray, John Champernoun, Thomas
> Doweryssh/Dowrissh, *John Orchard*, *John Denys,* *Richard, duke of
> Gloucester*, John, earl of Wiltshire, Fulk Bourghchier of Fitz Wareyn,
> knight, *John Halwell/Hawell*, Richard Choke, knight, John Catesby, Philip
>
> Courteney, knight, John Crokker, knight, Charles Dynham, Christopher
> Cooke/Coke
>
> The specific question is can we relate this next Commission to something
> else going on - it is remarkable for the presence of so many men who were
> not named to any other of the 19 Commissions 1468-1477.
>
> 15. Banbury, 24 Sep 1474 [14 Edward IV. Part 1. m. 24d.]
> George, duke of Clarence, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of Dynham, knight, John
> Denys, Richard, duke of Gloucester, Richard Choke, knight, *William
> Hastynges of Hastynges, knight*, *Thomas Stanley of Stanley, knight*, *John
> Audeley of Audeley, knight*, *John Sutton of Dudley, knight*, *Richard
> Hastynges, knight*, *Thomas Lytelton*, *William Notyngham*, *Henry Boteler*
>
> A J
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
------------------------------------
Yahoo! Groups Links
________________________________
From: A J Hibbard <ajhibbard@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 15:37
Subject: Re: Commissions of the Peace
I think I do - will have a rummage later. Thanks. I'm assuming (although
assumptions are dangerous) that the men without titles of any kind were the
professional men that Richard wanted to have present during meetings of his
council in the north????
A J
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...> wrote:
> **
>
>
> Have you got Ross Edward IV? Pages 396 onwards are good on this and on
> Oyer and Terminer.
>
> A Justice of the Peace was a person (and still is) appointed and paid (in
> those days) by the Crown. Sometimes Commissions of the Peace included these
> - I can spot Richard Choke in your lists.
>
> Hope this helps . H
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: A J Hibbard <ajhibbard@...>
> To: "" <
> >
> Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 14:53
> Subject: Commissions of the Peace
>
>
>
>
>
> I have a general question & a specific one.
>
> What exactly did being named to a Commission of the Peace entail. From a
> little looking on line, it seems to have morphed (or perhaps always was?)
> into the equivalent of being named a Justice of the Peace. Did a
> Commission actually sit as a body (seems unlikely since the great lords
> appear to have been named to every one listed in the Calendar of the Patent
> Rolls, unless they were too young, dead, or out of favour with the current
> king. The Commissions under each king seem to have most of the same
> members, with a couple of additions & deletions almost every year; but are
> more different between Kings. Take Devonshire for instance,
>
> 5. Exeter, 16 Apr 1470 [10 *Edward IV*. Part 1. m. 15d.]
> *J. bp of Exeter*, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of Dynham, knight, John, abbot
> of Stavystoke/Tavestok, *Henry Webber, dean of Exeter cathedral*, *Walter
> Moyle, knight*, *Thomas Yonge*, Philip Beaumont, Henry Pomeray, John
> Champernoun, John Gyfford/Gefford, Thomas Doweryssh/Dowrissh, *John
> Orchard*,
> *Philip Copleston*, *John Denys*, *William Shyllyngford*, John
> Byconell/Byconyll, Thomas Calwodeley, *William
> Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld*, *Richard,
> duke of Gloucester*, John, earl of Wiltshire, Fulk Bourghchier of Fitz
>
> Wareyn, knight, Walter Blount of Mountjoy, knight
>
> 6. Westminster, 30 Nov 1470 [49 *Henry VI*. m. 26d.]
> *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, *Richard, earl of Warwick &
> Salisbury*, *Henry Webber, dean of Exeter cathedral*, *Walter Moyle,
> knight*,
> *Thomas Yonge*, William Courtenay, knight, *John Orchard*, *Philip
> Copleston
> *, *John Denys*, *William Shyllyngford*, *William Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld*,
>
> Halnath Maulyverer, Richard Wydeslade/Whittyslade/Wytyslade
>
> Then when Edward IV was restored --
>
> 10. Westminster, 20 Feb 1471 [49 *Henry VI*. m. 22d.]
> *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, *Richard, earl of Warwick &
> Salisbury*, *John, abbot of Stavystoke/Tavestok,* Henry Webber, dean of
> Exeter cathedral, Walter Moyle, knight, Thomas Yonge, *William Courtenay,
> knight*, *John Orchard*, Philip Copleston, *John Denys*, William
>
> Shyllyngford, William Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld, Hugh Courtenay, knight,
> Halnath Maulyverer, *John Halwell/Hawell*
>
> 11. Westminster, 20 Jun 1471 [11 *Edward IV*. Part I. m. 29d.]
> *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of
> Dynham, knight, *John, abbot of Stavystoke/Tavestok*, *William Courtenay,
> knight*, Philip Beaumont, Henry Pomeray, John Champernoun, Thomas
> Doweryssh/Dowrissh, *John Orchard*, *John Denys,* *Richard, duke of
> Gloucester*, John, earl of Wiltshire, Fulk Bourghchier of Fitz Wareyn,
> knight, *John Halwell/Hawell*, Richard Choke, knight, John Catesby, Philip
>
> Courteney, knight, John Crokker, knight, Charles Dynham, Christopher
> Cooke/Coke
>
> The specific question is can we relate this next Commission to something
> else going on - it is remarkable for the presence of so many men who were
> not named to any other of the 19 Commissions 1468-1477.
>
> 15. Banbury, 24 Sep 1474 [14 Edward IV. Part 1. m. 24d.]
> George, duke of Clarence, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of Dynham, knight, John
> Denys, Richard, duke of Gloucester, Richard Choke, knight, *William
> Hastynges of Hastynges, knight*, *Thomas Stanley of Stanley, knight*, *John
> Audeley of Audeley, knight*, *John Sutton of Dudley, knight*, *Richard
> Hastynges, knight*, *Thomas Lytelton*, *William Notyngham*, *Henry Boteler*
>
> A J
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
------------------------------------
Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: Commissions of the Peace
2013-07-23 16:23:54
I don't know whether this is relevant but you've got some Devon families there, Courtenays and Champernouns. The Champernouns were ancestors of Sir Walter Raleigh.
Elaine
--- In , A J Hibbard <ajhibbard@...> wrote:
>
> I think I do - will have a rummage later. Thanks. I'm assuming (although
> assumptions are dangerous) that the men without titles of any kind were the
> professional men that Richard wanted to have present during meetings of his
> council in the north????
>
>
> A J
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Have you got Ross Edward IV? Pages 396 onwards are good on this and on
> > Oyer and Terminer.
> >
> > A Justice of the Peace was a person (and still is) appointed and paid (in
> > those days) by the Crown. Sometimes Commissions of the Peace included these
> > - I can spot Richard Choke in your lists.
> >
> > Hope this helps . H
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: A J Hibbard <ajhibbard@...>
> > To: "" <
> > >
> > Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 14:53
> > Subject: Commissions of the Peace
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I have a general question & a specific one.
> >
> > What exactly did being named to a Commission of the Peace entail. From a
> > little looking on line, it seems to have morphed (or perhaps always was?)
> > into the equivalent of being named a Justice of the Peace. Did a
> > Commission actually sit as a body (seems unlikely since the great lords
> > appear to have been named to every one listed in the Calendar of the Patent
> > Rolls, unless they were too young, dead, or out of favour with the current
> > king. The Commissions under each king seem to have most of the same
> > members, with a couple of additions & deletions almost every year; but are
> > more different between Kings. Take Devonshire for instance,
> >
> > 5. Exeter, 16 Apr 1470 [10 *Edward IV*. Part 1. m. 15d.]
> > *J. bp of Exeter*, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of Dynham, knight, John, abbot
> > of Stavystoke/Tavestok, *Henry Webber, dean of Exeter cathedral*, *Walter
> > Moyle, knight*, *Thomas Yonge*, Philip Beaumont, Henry Pomeray, John
> > Champernoun, John Gyfford/Gefford, Thomas Doweryssh/Dowrissh, *John
> > Orchard*,
> > *Philip Copleston*, *John Denys*, *William Shyllyngford*, John
> > Byconell/Byconyll, Thomas Calwodeley, *William
> > Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld*, *Richard,
> > duke of Gloucester*, John, earl of Wiltshire, Fulk Bourghchier of Fitz
> >
> > Wareyn, knight, Walter Blount of Mountjoy, knight
> >
> > 6. Westminster, 30 Nov 1470 [49 *Henry VI*. m. 26d.]
> > *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, *Richard, earl of Warwick &
> > Salisbury*, *Henry Webber, dean of Exeter cathedral*, *Walter Moyle,
> > knight*,
> > *Thomas Yonge*, William Courtenay, knight, *John Orchard*, *Philip
> > Copleston
> > *, *John Denys*, *William Shyllyngford*, *William Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld*,
> >
> > Halnath Maulyverer, Richard Wydeslade/Whittyslade/Wytyslade
> >
> > Then when Edward IV was restored --
> >
> > 10. Westminster, 20 Feb 1471 [49 *Henry VI*. m. 22d.]
> > *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, *Richard, earl of Warwick &
> > Salisbury*, *John, abbot of Stavystoke/Tavestok,* Henry Webber, dean of
> > Exeter cathedral, Walter Moyle, knight, Thomas Yonge, *William Courtenay,
> > knight*, *John Orchard*, Philip Copleston, *John Denys*, William
> >
> > Shyllyngford, William Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld, Hugh Courtenay, knight,
> > Halnath Maulyverer, *John Halwell/Hawell*
> >
> > 11. Westminster, 20 Jun 1471 [11 *Edward IV*. Part I. m. 29d.]
> > *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of
> > Dynham, knight, *John, abbot of Stavystoke/Tavestok*, *William Courtenay,
> > knight*, Philip Beaumont, Henry Pomeray, John Champernoun, Thomas
> > Doweryssh/Dowrissh, *John Orchard*, *John Denys,* *Richard, duke of
> > Gloucester*, John, earl of Wiltshire, Fulk Bourghchier of Fitz Wareyn,
> > knight, *John Halwell/Hawell*, Richard Choke, knight, John Catesby, Philip
> >
> > Courteney, knight, John Crokker, knight, Charles Dynham, Christopher
> > Cooke/Coke
> >
> > The specific question is can we relate this next Commission to something
> > else going on - it is remarkable for the presence of so many men who were
> > not named to any other of the 19 Commissions 1468-1477.
> >
> > 15. Banbury, 24 Sep 1474 [14 Edward IV. Part 1. m. 24d.]
> > George, duke of Clarence, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of Dynham, knight, John
> > Denys, Richard, duke of Gloucester, Richard Choke, knight, *William
> > Hastynges of Hastynges, knight*, *Thomas Stanley of Stanley, knight*, *John
> > Audeley of Audeley, knight*, *John Sutton of Dudley, knight*, *Richard
> > Hastynges, knight*, *Thomas Lytelton*, *William Notyngham*, *Henry Boteler*
> >
> > A J
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
Elaine
--- In , A J Hibbard <ajhibbard@...> wrote:
>
> I think I do - will have a rummage later. Thanks. I'm assuming (although
> assumptions are dangerous) that the men without titles of any kind were the
> professional men that Richard wanted to have present during meetings of his
> council in the north????
>
>
> A J
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Have you got Ross Edward IV? Pages 396 onwards are good on this and on
> > Oyer and Terminer.
> >
> > A Justice of the Peace was a person (and still is) appointed and paid (in
> > those days) by the Crown. Sometimes Commissions of the Peace included these
> > - I can spot Richard Choke in your lists.
> >
> > Hope this helps . H
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: A J Hibbard <ajhibbard@...>
> > To: "" <
> > >
> > Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 14:53
> > Subject: Commissions of the Peace
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I have a general question & a specific one.
> >
> > What exactly did being named to a Commission of the Peace entail. From a
> > little looking on line, it seems to have morphed (or perhaps always was?)
> > into the equivalent of being named a Justice of the Peace. Did a
> > Commission actually sit as a body (seems unlikely since the great lords
> > appear to have been named to every one listed in the Calendar of the Patent
> > Rolls, unless they were too young, dead, or out of favour with the current
> > king. The Commissions under each king seem to have most of the same
> > members, with a couple of additions & deletions almost every year; but are
> > more different between Kings. Take Devonshire for instance,
> >
> > 5. Exeter, 16 Apr 1470 [10 *Edward IV*. Part 1. m. 15d.]
> > *J. bp of Exeter*, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of Dynham, knight, John, abbot
> > of Stavystoke/Tavestok, *Henry Webber, dean of Exeter cathedral*, *Walter
> > Moyle, knight*, *Thomas Yonge*, Philip Beaumont, Henry Pomeray, John
> > Champernoun, John Gyfford/Gefford, Thomas Doweryssh/Dowrissh, *John
> > Orchard*,
> > *Philip Copleston*, *John Denys*, *William Shyllyngford*, John
> > Byconell/Byconyll, Thomas Calwodeley, *William
> > Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld*, *Richard,
> > duke of Gloucester*, John, earl of Wiltshire, Fulk Bourghchier of Fitz
> >
> > Wareyn, knight, Walter Blount of Mountjoy, knight
> >
> > 6. Westminster, 30 Nov 1470 [49 *Henry VI*. m. 26d.]
> > *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, *Richard, earl of Warwick &
> > Salisbury*, *Henry Webber, dean of Exeter cathedral*, *Walter Moyle,
> > knight*,
> > *Thomas Yonge*, William Courtenay, knight, *John Orchard*, *Philip
> > Copleston
> > *, *John Denys*, *William Shyllyngford*, *William Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld*,
> >
> > Halnath Maulyverer, Richard Wydeslade/Whittyslade/Wytyslade
> >
> > Then when Edward IV was restored --
> >
> > 10. Westminster, 20 Feb 1471 [49 *Henry VI*. m. 22d.]
> > *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, *Richard, earl of Warwick &
> > Salisbury*, *John, abbot of Stavystoke/Tavestok,* Henry Webber, dean of
> > Exeter cathedral, Walter Moyle, knight, Thomas Yonge, *William Courtenay,
> > knight*, *John Orchard*, Philip Copleston, *John Denys*, William
> >
> > Shyllyngford, William Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld, Hugh Courtenay, knight,
> > Halnath Maulyverer, *John Halwell/Hawell*
> >
> > 11. Westminster, 20 Jun 1471 [11 *Edward IV*. Part I. m. 29d.]
> > *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of
> > Dynham, knight, *John, abbot of Stavystoke/Tavestok*, *William Courtenay,
> > knight*, Philip Beaumont, Henry Pomeray, John Champernoun, Thomas
> > Doweryssh/Dowrissh, *John Orchard*, *John Denys,* *Richard, duke of
> > Gloucester*, John, earl of Wiltshire, Fulk Bourghchier of Fitz Wareyn,
> > knight, *John Halwell/Hawell*, Richard Choke, knight, John Catesby, Philip
> >
> > Courteney, knight, John Crokker, knight, Charles Dynham, Christopher
> > Cooke/Coke
> >
> > The specific question is can we relate this next Commission to something
> > else going on - it is remarkable for the presence of so many men who were
> > not named to any other of the 19 Commissions 1468-1477.
> >
> > 15. Banbury, 24 Sep 1474 [14 Edward IV. Part 1. m. 24d.]
> > George, duke of Clarence, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of Dynham, knight, John
> > Denys, Richard, duke of Gloucester, Richard Choke, knight, *William
> > Hastynges of Hastynges, knight*, *Thomas Stanley of Stanley, knight*, *John
> > Audeley of Audeley, knight*, *John Sutton of Dudley, knight*, *Richard
> > Hastynges, knight*, *Thomas Lytelton*, *William Notyngham*, *Henry Boteler*
> >
> > A J
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
Re: Commissions of the Peace
2013-07-23 16:35:14
Yes, thank you - I'd already come across those folks in my family tree (at
least according to dubious internet genealogy; so much to do, so little
time, will probably never get around to really checking it out; most of
these so-called connections that I've looked at critically fall apart on
close examination).
I'm gathering that these commissions were made up of peers who were on just
about every commission, local high ranking churchmen & knights, and local
men - maybe gentry? & "professionals" (which I suppose must have been
mainly lawyers). Anyway, I think these commissions may give us an idea of
who was involved in the governance of the land during the various reigns.
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:23 AM, ellrosa1452 <kathryn198@...>wrote:
> **
>
>
> I don't know whether this is relevant but you've got some Devon families
> there, Courtenays and Champernouns. The Champernouns were ancestors of Sir
> Walter Raleigh.
> Elaine
>
> --- In , A J Hibbard <ajhibbard@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I think I do - will have a rummage later. Thanks. I'm assuming (although
> > assumptions are dangerous) that the men without titles of any kind were
> the
> > professional men that Richard wanted to have present during meetings of
> his
> > council in the north????
> >
> >
> > A J
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...> wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > Have you got Ross Edward IV? Pages 396 onwards are good on this and on
> > > Oyer and Terminer.
> > >
> > > A Justice of the Peace was a person (and still is) appointed and paid
> (in
> > > those days) by the Crown. Sometimes Commissions of the Peace included
> these
> > > - I can spot Richard Choke in your lists.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps . H
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: A J Hibbard <ajhibbard@...>
>
> > > To: "" <
> > > >
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 14:53
> > > Subject: Commissions of the Peace
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have a general question & a specific one.
> > >
> > > What exactly did being named to a Commission of the Peace entail. From
> a
> > > little looking on line, it seems to have morphed (or perhaps always
> was?)
> > > into the equivalent of being named a Justice of the Peace. Did a
> > > Commission actually sit as a body (seems unlikely since the great lords
> > > appear to have been named to every one listed in the Calendar of the
> Patent
> > > Rolls, unless they were too young, dead, or out of favour with the
> current
> > > king. The Commissions under each king seem to have most of the same
> > > members, with a couple of additions & deletions almost every year; but
> are
> > > more different between Kings. Take Devonshire for instance,
> > >
> > > 5. Exeter, 16 Apr 1470 [10 *Edward IV*. Part 1. m. 15d.]
> > > *J. bp of Exeter*, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of Dynham, knight, John,
> abbot
> > > of Stavystoke/Tavestok, *Henry Webber, dean of Exeter cathedral*,
> *Walter
> > > Moyle, knight*, *Thomas Yonge*, Philip Beaumont, Henry Pomeray, John
> > > Champernoun, John Gyfford/Gefford, Thomas Doweryssh/Dowrissh, *John
> > > Orchard*,
> > > *Philip Copleston*, *John Denys*, *William Shyllyngford*, John
> > > Byconell/Byconyll, Thomas Calwodeley, *William
> > > Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld*, *Richard,
> > > duke of Gloucester*, John, earl of Wiltshire, Fulk Bourghchier of Fitz
> > >
> > > Wareyn, knight, Walter Blount of Mountjoy, knight
> > >
> > > 6. Westminster, 30 Nov 1470 [49 *Henry VI*. m. 26d.]
> > > *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, *Richard, earl of
> Warwick &
> > > Salisbury*, *Henry Webber, dean of Exeter cathedral*, *Walter Moyle,
> > > knight*,
> > > *Thomas Yonge*, William Courtenay, knight, *John Orchard*, *Philip
> > > Copleston
> > > *, *John Denys*, *William Shyllyngford*, *William
> Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld*,
> > >
> > > Halnath Maulyverer, Richard Wydeslade/Whittyslade/Wytyslade
> > >
> > > Then when Edward IV was restored --
> > >
> > > 10. Westminster, 20 Feb 1471 [49 *Henry VI*. m. 22d.]
> > > *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, *Richard, earl of
> Warwick &
> > > Salisbury*, *John, abbot of Stavystoke/Tavestok,* Henry Webber, dean of
> > > Exeter cathedral, Walter Moyle, knight, Thomas Yonge, *William
> Courtenay,
> > > knight*, *John Orchard*, Philip Copleston, *John Denys*, William
> > >
> > > Shyllyngford, William Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld, Hugh Courtenay, knight,
> > > Halnath Maulyverer, *John Halwell/Hawell*
> > >
> > > 11. Westminster, 20 Jun 1471 [11 *Edward IV*. Part I. m. 29d.]
> > > *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, John
> Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of
> > > Dynham, knight, *John, abbot of Stavystoke/Tavestok*, *William
> Courtenay,
> > > knight*, Philip Beaumont, Henry Pomeray, John Champernoun, Thomas
> > > Doweryssh/Dowrissh, *John Orchard*, *John Denys,* *Richard, duke of
> > > Gloucester*, John, earl of Wiltshire, Fulk Bourghchier of Fitz Wareyn,
> > > knight, *John Halwell/Hawell*, Richard Choke, knight, John Catesby,
> Philip
> > >
> > > Courteney, knight, John Crokker, knight, Charles Dynham, Christopher
> > > Cooke/Coke
> > >
> > > The specific question is can we relate this next Commission to
> something
> > > else going on - it is remarkable for the presence of so many men who
> were
> > > not named to any other of the 19 Commissions 1468-1477.
> > >
> > > 15. Banbury, 24 Sep 1474 [14 Edward IV. Part 1. m. 24d.]
> > > George, duke of Clarence, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of Dynham, knight,
> John
> > > Denys, Richard, duke of Gloucester, Richard Choke, knight, *William
> > > Hastynges of Hastynges, knight*, *Thomas Stanley of Stanley, knight*,
> *John
> > > Audeley of Audeley, knight*, *John Sutton of Dudley, knight*, *Richard
> > > Hastynges, knight*, *Thomas Lytelton*, *William Notyngham*, *Henry
> Boteler*
> > >
> > > A J
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
least according to dubious internet genealogy; so much to do, so little
time, will probably never get around to really checking it out; most of
these so-called connections that I've looked at critically fall apart on
close examination).
I'm gathering that these commissions were made up of peers who were on just
about every commission, local high ranking churchmen & knights, and local
men - maybe gentry? & "professionals" (which I suppose must have been
mainly lawyers). Anyway, I think these commissions may give us an idea of
who was involved in the governance of the land during the various reigns.
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:23 AM, ellrosa1452 <kathryn198@...>wrote:
> **
>
>
> I don't know whether this is relevant but you've got some Devon families
> there, Courtenays and Champernouns. The Champernouns were ancestors of Sir
> Walter Raleigh.
> Elaine
>
> --- In , A J Hibbard <ajhibbard@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I think I do - will have a rummage later. Thanks. I'm assuming (although
> > assumptions are dangerous) that the men without titles of any kind were
> the
> > professional men that Richard wanted to have present during meetings of
> his
> > council in the north????
> >
> >
> > A J
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...> wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > Have you got Ross Edward IV? Pages 396 onwards are good on this and on
> > > Oyer and Terminer.
> > >
> > > A Justice of the Peace was a person (and still is) appointed and paid
> (in
> > > those days) by the Crown. Sometimes Commissions of the Peace included
> these
> > > - I can spot Richard Choke in your lists.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps . H
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: A J Hibbard <ajhibbard@...>
>
> > > To: "" <
> > > >
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 14:53
> > > Subject: Commissions of the Peace
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have a general question & a specific one.
> > >
> > > What exactly did being named to a Commission of the Peace entail. From
> a
> > > little looking on line, it seems to have morphed (or perhaps always
> was?)
> > > into the equivalent of being named a Justice of the Peace. Did a
> > > Commission actually sit as a body (seems unlikely since the great lords
> > > appear to have been named to every one listed in the Calendar of the
> Patent
> > > Rolls, unless they were too young, dead, or out of favour with the
> current
> > > king. The Commissions under each king seem to have most of the same
> > > members, with a couple of additions & deletions almost every year; but
> are
> > > more different between Kings. Take Devonshire for instance,
> > >
> > > 5. Exeter, 16 Apr 1470 [10 *Edward IV*. Part 1. m. 15d.]
> > > *J. bp of Exeter*, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of Dynham, knight, John,
> abbot
> > > of Stavystoke/Tavestok, *Henry Webber, dean of Exeter cathedral*,
> *Walter
> > > Moyle, knight*, *Thomas Yonge*, Philip Beaumont, Henry Pomeray, John
> > > Champernoun, John Gyfford/Gefford, Thomas Doweryssh/Dowrissh, *John
> > > Orchard*,
> > > *Philip Copleston*, *John Denys*, *William Shyllyngford*, John
> > > Byconell/Byconyll, Thomas Calwodeley, *William
> > > Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld*, *Richard,
> > > duke of Gloucester*, John, earl of Wiltshire, Fulk Bourghchier of Fitz
> > >
> > > Wareyn, knight, Walter Blount of Mountjoy, knight
> > >
> > > 6. Westminster, 30 Nov 1470 [49 *Henry VI*. m. 26d.]
> > > *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, *Richard, earl of
> Warwick &
> > > Salisbury*, *Henry Webber, dean of Exeter cathedral*, *Walter Moyle,
> > > knight*,
> > > *Thomas Yonge*, William Courtenay, knight, *John Orchard*, *Philip
> > > Copleston
> > > *, *John Denys*, *William Shyllyngford*, *William
> Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld*,
> > >
> > > Halnath Maulyverer, Richard Wydeslade/Whittyslade/Wytyslade
> > >
> > > Then when Edward IV was restored --
> > >
> > > 10. Westminster, 20 Feb 1471 [49 *Henry VI*. m. 22d.]
> > > *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, *Richard, earl of
> Warwick &
> > > Salisbury*, *John, abbot of Stavystoke/Tavestok,* Henry Webber, dean of
> > > Exeter cathedral, Walter Moyle, knight, Thomas Yonge, *William
> Courtenay,
> > > knight*, *John Orchard*, Philip Copleston, *John Denys*, William
> > >
> > > Shyllyngford, William Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld, Hugh Courtenay, knight,
> > > Halnath Maulyverer, *John Halwell/Hawell*
> > >
> > > 11. Westminster, 20 Jun 1471 [11 *Edward IV*. Part I. m. 29d.]
> > > *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, John
> Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of
> > > Dynham, knight, *John, abbot of Stavystoke/Tavestok*, *William
> Courtenay,
> > > knight*, Philip Beaumont, Henry Pomeray, John Champernoun, Thomas
> > > Doweryssh/Dowrissh, *John Orchard*, *John Denys,* *Richard, duke of
> > > Gloucester*, John, earl of Wiltshire, Fulk Bourghchier of Fitz Wareyn,
> > > knight, *John Halwell/Hawell*, Richard Choke, knight, John Catesby,
> Philip
> > >
> > > Courteney, knight, John Crokker, knight, Charles Dynham, Christopher
> > > Cooke/Coke
> > >
> > > The specific question is can we relate this next Commission to
> something
> > > else going on - it is remarkable for the presence of so many men who
> were
> > > not named to any other of the 19 Commissions 1468-1477.
> > >
> > > 15. Banbury, 24 Sep 1474 [14 Edward IV. Part 1. m. 24d.]
> > > George, duke of Clarence, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of Dynham, knight,
> John
> > > Denys, Richard, duke of Gloucester, Richard Choke, knight, *William
> > > Hastynges of Hastynges, knight*, *Thomas Stanley of Stanley, knight*,
> *John
> > > Audeley of Audeley, knight*, *John Sutton of Dudley, knight*, *Richard
> > > Hastynges, knight*, *Thomas Lytelton*, *William Notyngham*, *Henry
> Boteler*
> > >
> > > A J
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
Re: Commissions of the Peace
2013-07-23 16:38:48
Absolutely. Uncle Catesby is there too quite a lot. And Edward, being Edward, could well have used people from regions where there was unrest (Kent, the West Country) to look into their own folk - either because of their local knowledge or as a warning.
________________________________
From: A J Hibbard <ajhibbard@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 16:35
Subject: Re: Commissions of the Peace
Yes, thank you - I'd already come across those folks in my family tree (at
least according to dubious internet genealogy; so much to do, so little
time, will probably never get around to really checking it out; most of
these so-called connections that I've looked at critically fall apart on
close examination).
I'm gathering that these commissions were made up of peers who were on just
about every commission, local high ranking churchmen & knights, and local
men - maybe gentry? & "professionals" (which I suppose must have been
mainly lawyers). Anyway, I think these commissions may give us an idea of
who was involved in the governance of the land during the various reigns.
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:23 AM, ellrosa1452 <kathryn198@...>wrote:
> **
>
>
> I don't know whether this is relevant but you've got some Devon families
> there, Courtenays and Champernouns. The Champernouns were ancestors of Sir
> Walter Raleigh.
> Elaine
>
> --- In , A J Hibbard <ajhibbard@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I think I do - will have a rummage later. Thanks. I'm assuming (although
> > assumptions are dangerous) that the men without titles of any kind were
> the
> > professional men that Richard wanted to have present during meetings of
> his
> > council in the north????
> >
> >
> > A J
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...> wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > Have you got Ross Edward IV? Pages 396 onwards are good on this and on
> > > Oyer and Terminer.
> > >
> > > A Justice of the Peace was a person (and still is) appointed and paid
> (in
> > > those days) by the Crown. Sometimes Commissions of the Peace included
> these
> > > - I can spot Richard Choke in your lists.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps . H
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: A J Hibbard <ajhibbard@...>
>
> > > To: "" <
> > > >
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 14:53
> > > Subject: Commissions of the Peace
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have a general question & a specific one.
> > >
> > > What exactly did being named to a Commission of the Peace entail. From
> a
> > > little looking on line, it seems to have morphed (or perhaps always
> was?)
> > > into the equivalent of being named a Justice of the Peace. Did a
> > > Commission actually sit as a body (seems unlikely since the great lords
> > > appear to have been named to every one listed in the Calendar of the
> Patent
> > > Rolls, unless they were too young, dead, or out of favour with the
> current
> > > king. The Commissions under each king seem to have most of the same
> > > members, with a couple of additions & deletions almost every year; but
> are
> > > more different between Kings. Take Devonshire for instance,
> > >
> > > 5. Exeter, 16 Apr 1470 [10 *Edward IV*. Part 1. m. 15d.]
> > > *J. bp of Exeter*, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of Dynham, knight, John,
> abbot
> > > of Stavystoke/Tavestok, *Henry Webber, dean of Exeter cathedral*,
> *Walter
> > > Moyle, knight*, *Thomas Yonge*, Philip Beaumont, Henry Pomeray, John
> > > Champernoun, John Gyfford/Gefford, Thomas Doweryssh/Dowrissh, *John
> > > Orchard*,
> > > *Philip Copleston*, *John Denys*, *William Shyllyngford*, John
> > > Byconell/Byconyll, Thomas Calwodeley, *William
> > > Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld*, *Richard,
> > > duke of Gloucester*, John, earl of Wiltshire, Fulk Bourghchier of Fitz
> > >
> > > Wareyn, knight, Walter Blount of Mountjoy, knight
> > >
> > > 6. Westminster, 30 Nov 1470 [49 *Henry VI*. m. 26d.]
> > > *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, *Richard, earl of
> Warwick &
> > > Salisbury*, *Henry Webber, dean of Exeter cathedral*, *Walter Moyle,
> > > knight*,
> > > *Thomas Yonge*, William Courtenay, knight, *John Orchard*, *Philip
> > > Copleston
> > > *, *John Denys*, *William Shyllyngford*, *William
> Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld*,
> > >
> > > Halnath Maulyverer, Richard Wydeslade/Whittyslade/Wytyslade
> > >
> > > Then when Edward IV was restored --
> > >
> > > 10. Westminster, 20 Feb 1471 [49 *Henry VI*. m. 22d.]
> > > *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, *Richard, earl of
> Warwick &
> > > Salisbury*, *John, abbot of Stavystoke/Tavestok,* Henry Webber, dean of
> > > Exeter cathedral, Walter Moyle, knight, Thomas Yonge, *William
> Courtenay,
> > > knight*, *John Orchard*, Philip Copleston, *John Denys*, William
> > >
> > > Shyllyngford, William Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld, Hugh Courtenay, knight,
> > > Halnath Maulyverer, *John Halwell/Hawell*
> > >
> > > 11. Westminster, 20 Jun 1471 [11 *Edward IV*. Part I. m. 29d.]
> > > *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, John
> Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of
> > > Dynham, knight, *John, abbot of Stavystoke/Tavestok*, *William
> Courtenay,
> > > knight*, Philip Beaumont, Henry Pomeray, John Champernoun, Thomas
> > > Doweryssh/Dowrissh, *John Orchard*, *John Denys,* *Richard, duke of
> > > Gloucester*, John, earl of Wiltshire, Fulk Bourghchier of Fitz Wareyn,
> > > knight, *John Halwell/Hawell*, Richard Choke, knight, John Catesby,
> Philip
> > >
> > > Courteney, knight, John Crokker, knight, Charles Dynham, Christopher
> > > Cooke/Coke
> > >
> > > The specific question is can we relate this next Commission to
> something
> > > else going on - it is remarkable for the presence of so many men who
> were
> > > not named to any other of the 19 Commissions 1468-1477.
> > >
> > > 15. Banbury, 24 Sep 1474 [14 Edward IV. Part 1. m. 24d.]
> > > George, duke of Clarence, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of Dynham, knight,
> John
> > > Denys, Richard, duke of Gloucester, Richard Choke, knight, *William
> > > Hastynges of Hastynges, knight*, *Thomas Stanley of Stanley, knight*,
> *John
> > > Audeley of Audeley, knight*, *John Sutton of Dudley, knight*, *Richard
> > > Hastynges, knight*, *Thomas Lytelton*, *William Notyngham*, *Henry
> Boteler*
> > >
> > > A J
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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________________________________
From: A J Hibbard <ajhibbard@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 16:35
Subject: Re: Commissions of the Peace
Yes, thank you - I'd already come across those folks in my family tree (at
least according to dubious internet genealogy; so much to do, so little
time, will probably never get around to really checking it out; most of
these so-called connections that I've looked at critically fall apart on
close examination).
I'm gathering that these commissions were made up of peers who were on just
about every commission, local high ranking churchmen & knights, and local
men - maybe gentry? & "professionals" (which I suppose must have been
mainly lawyers). Anyway, I think these commissions may give us an idea of
who was involved in the governance of the land during the various reigns.
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:23 AM, ellrosa1452 <kathryn198@...>wrote:
> **
>
>
> I don't know whether this is relevant but you've got some Devon families
> there, Courtenays and Champernouns. The Champernouns were ancestors of Sir
> Walter Raleigh.
> Elaine
>
> --- In , A J Hibbard <ajhibbard@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I think I do - will have a rummage later. Thanks. I'm assuming (although
> > assumptions are dangerous) that the men without titles of any kind were
> the
> > professional men that Richard wanted to have present during meetings of
> his
> > council in the north????
> >
> >
> > A J
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...> wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > Have you got Ross Edward IV? Pages 396 onwards are good on this and on
> > > Oyer and Terminer.
> > >
> > > A Justice of the Peace was a person (and still is) appointed and paid
> (in
> > > those days) by the Crown. Sometimes Commissions of the Peace included
> these
> > > - I can spot Richard Choke in your lists.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps . H
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: A J Hibbard <ajhibbard@...>
>
> > > To: "" <
> > > >
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 23 July 2013, 14:53
> > > Subject: Commissions of the Peace
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I have a general question & a specific one.
> > >
> > > What exactly did being named to a Commission of the Peace entail. From
> a
> > > little looking on line, it seems to have morphed (or perhaps always
> was?)
> > > into the equivalent of being named a Justice of the Peace. Did a
> > > Commission actually sit as a body (seems unlikely since the great lords
> > > appear to have been named to every one listed in the Calendar of the
> Patent
> > > Rolls, unless they were too young, dead, or out of favour with the
> current
> > > king. The Commissions under each king seem to have most of the same
> > > members, with a couple of additions & deletions almost every year; but
> are
> > > more different between Kings. Take Devonshire for instance,
> > >
> > > 5. Exeter, 16 Apr 1470 [10 *Edward IV*. Part 1. m. 15d.]
> > > *J. bp of Exeter*, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of Dynham, knight, John,
> abbot
> > > of Stavystoke/Tavestok, *Henry Webber, dean of Exeter cathedral*,
> *Walter
> > > Moyle, knight*, *Thomas Yonge*, Philip Beaumont, Henry Pomeray, John
> > > Champernoun, John Gyfford/Gefford, Thomas Doweryssh/Dowrissh, *John
> > > Orchard*,
> > > *Philip Copleston*, *John Denys*, *William Shyllyngford*, John
> > > Byconell/Byconyll, Thomas Calwodeley, *William
> > > Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld*, *Richard,
> > > duke of Gloucester*, John, earl of Wiltshire, Fulk Bourghchier of Fitz
> > >
> > > Wareyn, knight, Walter Blount of Mountjoy, knight
> > >
> > > 6. Westminster, 30 Nov 1470 [49 *Henry VI*. m. 26d.]
> > > *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, *Richard, earl of
> Warwick &
> > > Salisbury*, *Henry Webber, dean of Exeter cathedral*, *Walter Moyle,
> > > knight*,
> > > *Thomas Yonge*, William Courtenay, knight, *John Orchard*, *Philip
> > > Copleston
> > > *, *John Denys*, *William Shyllyngford*, *William
> Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld*,
> > >
> > > Halnath Maulyverer, Richard Wydeslade/Whittyslade/Wytyslade
> > >
> > > Then when Edward IV was restored --
> > >
> > > 10. Westminster, 20 Feb 1471 [49 *Henry VI*. m. 22d.]
> > > *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, *Richard, earl of
> Warwick &
> > > Salisbury*, *John, abbot of Stavystoke/Tavestok,* Henry Webber, dean of
> > > Exeter cathedral, Walter Moyle, knight, Thomas Yonge, *William
> Courtenay,
> > > knight*, *John Orchard*, Philip Copleston, *John Denys*, William
> > >
> > > Shyllyngford, William Huddesfelde/Huddelfeld, Hugh Courtenay, knight,
> > > Halnath Maulyverer, *John Halwell/Hawell*
> > >
> > > 11. Westminster, 20 Jun 1471 [11 *Edward IV*. Part I. m. 29d.]
> > > *J. bp of Exeter*, *George, duke of Clarence*, John
> Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of
> > > Dynham, knight, *John, abbot of Stavystoke/Tavestok*, *William
> Courtenay,
> > > knight*, Philip Beaumont, Henry Pomeray, John Champernoun, Thomas
> > > Doweryssh/Dowrissh, *John Orchard*, *John Denys,* *Richard, duke of
> > > Gloucester*, John, earl of Wiltshire, Fulk Bourghchier of Fitz Wareyn,
> > > knight, *John Halwell/Hawell*, Richard Choke, knight, John Catesby,
> Philip
> > >
> > > Courteney, knight, John Crokker, knight, Charles Dynham, Christopher
> > > Cooke/Coke
> > >
> > > The specific question is can we relate this next Commission to
> something
> > > else going on - it is remarkable for the presence of so many men who
> were
> > > not named to any other of the 19 Commissions 1468-1477.
> > >
> > > 15. Banbury, 24 Sep 1474 [14 Edward IV. Part 1. m. 24d.]
> > > George, duke of Clarence, John Dynham/Dynam/Denam, of Dynham, knight,
> John
> > > Denys, Richard, duke of Gloucester, Richard Choke, knight, *William
> > > Hastynges of Hastynges, knight*, *Thomas Stanley of Stanley, knight*,
> *John
> > > Audeley of Audeley, knight*, *John Sutton of Dudley, knight*, *Richard
> > > Hastynges, knight*, *Thomas Lytelton*, *William Notyngham*, *Henry
> Boteler*
> > >
> > > A J
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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