BOOK REVIEW: The Plantagenets - Warrior Kings/Queens Who Made Englan

"Dan Jones has brought the Plantagenets out of the shadows, revealing them
in all their epic heroism and depravity." Richard III is discussed in the
review, but the book ends with the unthroning of Richard II; the author
promises a sequel.

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articles a month at the Washington Post without a subscription.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-plantagenets-the-warrior-kings-and-queens-who-made-england-by-dan-jones/2013/08/02/d0d664ee-b10b-11e2-9a98-4be1688d7d84_story.html

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- *Friend:* Are you upset about the outcome of the election?
- *Me:* I'm upset about the outcome of the War of the Roses.

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From: Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@...>
Sender:
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 09:05:57
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Subject: BOOK REVIEW: The Plantagenets - Warrior Kings/Queens Who Made England

"Dan Jones has brought the Plantagenets out of the shadows, revealing them
in all their epic heroism and depravity." Richard III is discussed in the
review, but the book ends with the unthroning of Richard II; the author
promises a sequel.

No subscription necessary to read this article, but you're limited to 10
articles a month at the Washington Post without a subscription.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-plantagenets-the-warrior-kings-and-queens-who-made-england-by-dan-jones/2013/08/02/d0d664ee-b10b-11e2-9a98-4be1688d7d84_story.html

tinyurl:
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- *Friend:* Are you upset about the outcome of the election?
- *Me:* I'm upset about the outcome of the War of the Roses.

I believe Dan Jones is very anti-Richard. Said Richard should be buried back in the car park. "where he belongs" and scoffs at Richard's supporters.

Helen

--- In , Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@...> wrote:
>
> "Dan Jones has brought the Plantagenets out of the shadows, revealing them
> in all their epic heroism and depravity." Richard III is discussed in the
> review, but the book ends with the unthroning of Richard II; the author
> promises a sequel.
>
> No subscription necessary to read this article, but you're limited to 10
> articles a month at the Washington Post without a subscription.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-plantagenets-the-warrior-kings-and-queens-who-made-england-by-dan-jones/2013/08/02/d0d664ee-b10b-11e2-9a98-4be1688d7d84_story.html
>
> tinyurl:
> http://tinyurl.com/l48lnqy
>
>
>
> --
>
> - *Friend:* Are you upset about the outcome of the election?
> - *Me:* I'm upset about the outcome of the War of the Roses.
>
>
>
>

He's a former student of David Starkey. We're doomed.
Marie

--- In , "sweethelly2003" <sweethelly2003@...> wrote:
>
> I believe Dan Jones is very anti-Richard. Said Richard should be buried back in the car park. "where he belongs" and scoffs at Richard's supporters.
>
> Helen
>
> --- In , Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
> >
> > "Dan Jones has brought the Plantagenets out of the shadows, revealing them
> > in all their epic heroism and depravity." Richard III is discussed in the
> > review, but the book ends with the unthroning of Richard II; the author
> > promises a sequel.
> >
> > No subscription necessary to read this article, but you're limited to 10
> > articles a month at the Washington Post without a subscription.
> >
> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-plantagenets-the-warrior-kings-and-queens-who-made-england-by-dan-jones/2013/08/02/d0d664ee-b10b-11e2-9a98-4be1688d7d84_story.html
> >
> > tinyurl:
> > http://tinyurl.com/l48lnqy
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > - *Friend:* Are you upset about the outcome of the election?
> > - *Me:* I'm upset about the outcome of the War of the Roses.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Oh God! It's never ending......We must brace ourselves and remain strong....:0/
--- In , mariewalsh2003 <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> He's a former student of David Starkey. We're doomed.
> Marie
>
> --- In , "sweethelly2003" <sweethelly2003@> wrote:
> >
> > I believe Dan Jones is very anti-Richard. Said Richard should be buried back in the car park. "where he belongs" and scoffs at Richard's supporters.
> >
> > Helen
> >
> > --- In , Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
> > >
> > > "Dan Jones has brought the Plantagenets out of the shadows, revealing them
> > > in all their epic heroism and depravity." Richard III is discussed in the
> > > review, but the book ends with the unthroning of Richard II; the author
> > > promises a sequel.
> > >
> > > No subscription necessary to read this article, but you're limited to 10
> > > articles a month at the Washington Post without a subscription.
> > >
> > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-plantagenets-the-warrior-kings-and-queens-who-made-england-by-dan-jones/2013/08/02/d0d664ee-b10b-11e2-9a98-4be1688d7d84_story.html
> > >
> > > tinyurl:
> > > http://tinyurl.com/l48lnqy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > - *Friend:* Are you upset about the outcome of the election?
> > > - *Me:* I'm upset about the outcome of the War of the Roses.
> > >
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"Keep calm, carry on, and drink Boodles"! If this does not drive you to drink, nothing will!

On Aug 4, 2013, at 8:38 AM, "EILEEN BATES" <eileenbates147@...<mailto:eileenbates147@...>> wrote:



Oh God! It's never ending......We must brace ourselves and remain strong....:0/
--- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, mariewalsh2003 <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> He's a former student of David Starkey. We're doomed.
> Marie
>
> --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, "sweethelly2003" <sweethelly2003@> wrote:
> >
> > I believe Dan Jones is very anti-Richard. Said Richard should be buried back in the car park. "where he belongs" and scoffs at Richard's supporters.
> >
> > Helen
> >
> > --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
> > >
> > > "Dan Jones has brought the Plantagenets out of the shadows, revealing them
> > > in all their epic heroism and depravity." Richard III is discussed in the
> > > review, but the book ends with the unthroning of Richard II; the author
> > > promises a sequel.
> > >
> > > No subscription necessary to read this article, but you're limited to 10
> > > articles a month at the Washington Post without a subscription.
> > >
> > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-plantagenets-the-warrior-kings-and-queens-who-made-england-by-dan-jones/2013/08/02/d0d664ee-b10b-11e2-9a98-4be1688d7d84_story.html
> > >
> > > tinyurl:
> > > http://tinyurl.com/l48lnqy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > - *Friend:* Are you upset about the outcome of the election?
> > > - *Me:* I'm upset about the outcome of the War of the Roses.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Lol...but seriously...he being a former student of Starkey....well OK that is a disadvantage to begin with but surely it should not beyond his wit to ask questions?
--- In , Pamela Bain <pbain@...> wrote:
>
> "Keep calm, carry on, and drink Boodles"! If this does not drive you to drink, nothing will!
>
> On Aug 4, 2013, at 8:38 AM, "EILEEN BATES" <eileenbates147@...<mailto:eileenbates147@...>> wrote:
>
>
>
> Oh God! It's never ending......We must brace ourselves and remain strong....:0/
> --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, mariewalsh2003 <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > He's a former student of David Starkey. We're doomed.
> > Marie
> >
> > --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, "sweethelly2003" <sweethelly2003@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I believe Dan Jones is very anti-Richard. Said Richard should be buried back in the car park. "where he belongs" and scoffs at Richard's supporters.
> > >
> > > Helen
> > >
> > > --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Dan Jones has brought the Plantagenets out of the shadows, revealing them
> > > > in all their epic heroism and depravity." Richard III is discussed in the
> > > > review, but the book ends with the unthroning of Richard II; the author
> > > > promises a sequel.
> > > >
> > > > No subscription necessary to read this article, but you're limited to 10
> > > > articles a month at the Washington Post without a subscription.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-plantagenets-the-warrior-kings-and-queens-who-made-england-by-dan-jones/2013/08/02/d0d664ee-b10b-11e2-9a98-4be1688d7d84_story.html
> > > >
> > > > tinyurl:
> > > > http://tinyurl.com/l48lnqy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > - *Friend:* Are you upset about the outcome of the election?
> > > > - *Me:* I'm upset about the outcome of the War of the Roses.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Don't you remember he was on one of the news channels on TV on the day in February when they broadcast to confirm the remains found were Richard's. He was extremely unpleasant and used it as a sounding board for his own agenda. He didn't have a good word to say about Richard, but it got him exposure and the money must have come in very handy! Can't remember now whether it was Paul or Ed but they also commented about him on here in response to his remarks.
Elaine


--- In , "EILEEN BATES" <eileenbates147@...> wrote:
>
>
> Lol...but seriously...he being a former student of Starkey....well OK that is a disadvantage to begin with but surely it should not beyond his wit to ask questions?
> --- In , Pamela Bain <pbain@> wrote:
> >
> > "Keep calm, carry on, and drink Boodles"! If this does not drive you to drink, nothing will!
> >
> > On Aug 4, 2013, at 8:38 AM, "EILEEN BATES" <eileenbates147@<mailto:eileenbates147@>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh God! It's never ending......We must brace ourselves and remain strong....:0/
> > --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, mariewalsh2003 <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > He's a former student of David Starkey. We're doomed.
> > > Marie
> > >
> > > --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, "sweethelly2003" <sweethelly2003@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I believe Dan Jones is very anti-Richard. Said Richard should be buried back in the car park. "where he belongs" and scoffs at Richard's supporters.
> > > >
> > > > Helen
> > > >
> > > > --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Dan Jones has brought the Plantagenets out of the shadows, revealing them
> > > > > in all their epic heroism and depravity." Richard III is discussed in the
> > > > > review, but the book ends with the unthroning of Richard II; the author
> > > > > promises a sequel.
> > > > >
> > > > > No subscription necessary to read this article, but you're limited to 10
> > > > > articles a month at the Washington Post without a subscription.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-plantagenets-the-warrior-kings-and-queens-who-made-england-by-dan-jones/2013/08/02/d0d664ee-b10b-11e2-9a98-4be1688d7d84_story.html
> > > > >
> > > > > tinyurl:
> > > > > http://tinyurl.com/l48lnqy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > - *Friend:* Are you upset about the outcome of the election?
> > > > > - *Me:* I'm upset about the outcome of the War of the Roses.
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I think I'll watch something else tonight. A grim story of a mass shooting filmed in Faversham which is about an hour's drive from where I live.
Am trying "The Shadow of the Tower".
Jan.

Sent from my iPad

On 4 Aug 2013, at 16:13, "ellrosa1452" <kathryn198@...> wrote:

> Don't you remember he was on one of the news channels on TV on the day in February when they broadcast to confirm the remains found were Richard's. He was extremely unpleasant and used it as a sounding board for his own agenda. He didn't have a good word to say about Richard, but it got him exposure and the money must have come in very handy! Can't remember now whether it was Paul or Ed but they also commented about him on here in response to his remarks.
> Elaine
>
> --- In , "EILEEN BATES" <eileenbates147@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Lol...but seriously...he being a former student of Starkey....well OK that is a disadvantage to begin with but surely it should not beyond his wit to ask questions?
> > --- In , Pamela Bain <pbain@> wrote:
> > >
> > > "Keep calm, carry on, and drink Boodles"! If this does not drive you to drink, nothing will!
> > >
> > > On Aug 4, 2013, at 8:38 AM, "EILEEN BATES" <eileenbates147@<mailto:eileenbates147@>> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Oh God! It's never ending......We must brace ourselves and remain strong....:0/
> > > --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, mariewalsh2003 <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > He's a former student of David Starkey. We're doomed.
> > > > Marie
> > > >
> > > > --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, "sweethelly2003" <sweethelly2003@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I believe Dan Jones is very anti-Richard. Said Richard should be buried back in the car park. "where he belongs" and scoffs at Richard's supporters.
> > > > >
> > > > > Helen
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Dan Jones has brought the Plantagenets out of the shadows, revealing them
> > > > > > in all their epic heroism and depravity." Richard III is discussed in the
> > > > > > review, but the book ends with the unthroning of Richard II; the author
> > > > > > promises a sequel.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No subscription necessary to read this article, but you're limited to 10
> > > > > > articles a month at the Washington Post without a subscription.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-plantagenets-the-warrior-kings-and-queens-who-made-england-by-dan-jones/2013/08/02/d0d664ee-b10b-11e2-9a98-4be1688d7d84_story.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tinyurl:
> > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/l48lnqy
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - *Friend:* Are you upset about the outcome of the election?
> > > > > > - *Me:* I'm upset about the outcome of the War of the Roses.
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This book has been out for over a year and hasn't caused much of a stir. Don't worry! 


From: Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@...>
To:
Sent: Saturday, 3 August 2013, 17:05
Subject: BOOK REVIEW: The Plantagenets - Warrior Kings/Queens Who Made England

 
"Dan Jones has brought the Plantagenets out of the shadows, revealing them
in all their epic heroism and depravity." Richard III is discussed in the
review, but the book ends with the unthroning of Richard II; the author
promises a sequel.

No subscription necessary to read this article, but you're limited to 10
articles a month at the Washington Post without a subscription.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-plantagenets-the-warrior-kings-and-queens-who-made-england-by-dan-jones/2013/08/02/d0d664ee-b10b-11e2-9a98-4be1688d7d84_story.html

tinyurl:
http://tinyurl.com/l48lnqy

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- *Friend:* Are you upset about the outcome of the election?
- *Me:* I'm upset about the outcome of the War of the Roses.

Yes, but Dan Jones is primarily a journalist, not a historian. And he has the instincts of a hack journalist - good at forming snap opinions overnight and dealing in hyperbole. Great self publicist. He knows perfectly well he gets coverage from his extreme views, and as a media person he knows the people to approach.
Marie

--- In , Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...> wrote:
>
> This book has been out for over a year and hasn't caused much of a stir. Don't worry! 
>
>
> From: Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@...>
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, 3 August 2013, 17:05
> Subject: BOOK REVIEW: The Plantagenets - Warrior Kings/Queens Who Made England
>
>  
> "Dan Jones has brought the Plantagenets out of the shadows, revealing them
> in all their epic heroism and depravity." Richard III is discussed in the
> review, but the book ends with the unthroning of Richard II; the author
> promises a sequel.
>
> No subscription necessary to read this article, but you're limited to 10
> articles a month at the Washington Post without a subscription.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-plantagenets-the-warrior-kings-and-queens-who-made-england-by-dan-jones/2013/08/02/d0d664ee-b10b-11e2-9a98-4be1688d7d84_story.html
>
> tinyurl:
> http://tinyurl.com/l48lnqy
>
> --
>
> - *Friend:* Are you upset about the outcome of the election?
> - *Me:* I'm upset about the outcome of the War of the Roses.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Trouble is there will always be people like that in any age. Let's hope PG moves quickly on to Liz1 and a few media hacks divert there (though I admire her). I agree with Jonathan the other day, no other monarch that I know of has two cities festooned with banners in his honour. Fame will always bring controversy (and help people make money). I remain (cautiously) optimistic - but I can't bring myself to watch the last three episodes of TWQ. 


From: mariewalsh2003 <[email protected]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, 4 August 2013, 18:52
Subject: Re: BOOK REVIEW: The Plantagenets - Warrior Kings/Queens Who Made England

 
Yes, but Dan Jones is primarily a journalist, not a historian. And he has the instincts of a hack journalist - good at forming snap opinions overnight and dealing in hyperbole. Great self publicist. He knows perfectly well he gets coverage from his extreme views, and as a media person he knows the people to approach.
Marie

--- In , Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...> wrote:
>
> This book has been out for over a year and hasn't caused much of a stir. Don't worry! 
>
>
> From: Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@...>
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, 3 August 2013, 17:05
> Subject: BOOK REVIEW: The Plantagenets - Warrior Kings/Queens Who Made England
>
>  
> "Dan Jones has brought the Plantagenets out of the shadows, revealing them
> in all their epic heroism and depravity." Richard III is discussed in the
> review, but the book ends with the unthroning of Richard II; the author
> promises a sequel.
>
> No subscription necessary to read this article, but you're limited to 10
> articles a month at the Washington Post without a subscription.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-plantagenets-the-warrior-kings-and-queens-who-made-england-by-dan-jones/2013/08/02/d0d664ee-b10b-11e2-9a98-4be1688d7d84_story.html
>
> tinyurl:
> http://tinyurl.com/l48lnqy
>
> --
>
> - *Friend:* Are you upset about the outcome of the election?
> - *Me:* I'm upset about the outcome of the War of the Roses.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

In the first few minutes of his new series on monarchy and music he
praised Elizabeth 1 for being the sole person responsible for the
quality of English music! Talk about tunnel vision.
Paul

On 04/08/2013 14:38, EILEEN BATES wrote:
> Oh God! It's never ending......We must brace ourselves and remain strong....:0/
> --- In , mariewalsh2003 <no_reply@...> wrote:
>> He's a former student of David Starkey. We're doomed.
>> Marie
>>
>> --- In , "sweethelly2003" <sweethelly2003@> wrote:
>>> I believe Dan Jones is very anti-Richard. Said Richard should be buried back in the car park. "where he belongs" and scoffs at Richard's supporters.
>>>
>>> Helen
>>>
>>> --- In , Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
>>>> "Dan Jones has brought the Plantagenets out of the shadows, revealing them
>>>> in all their epic heroism and depravity." Richard III is discussed in the
>>>> review, but the book ends with the unthroning of Richard II; the author
>>>> promises a sequel.
>>>>
>>>> No subscription necessary to read this article, but you're limited to 10
>>>> articles a month at the Washington Post without a subscription.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-plantagenets-the-warrior-kings-and-queens-who-made-england-by-dan-jones/2013/08/02/d0d664ee-b10b-11e2-9a98-4be1688d7d84_story.html
>>>>
>>>> tinyurl:
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/l48lnqy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> - *Friend:* Are you upset about the outcome of the election?
>>>> - *Me:* I'm upset about the outcome of the War of the Roses.
>>>>
>>>>
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Do you mean to say TWQ is slated to end the Sunday after the anniversary of Bosworth? So "fans" will either be weeping or gloating at the ending, depending on the House they're supporting? How deliberate is that scheduling?

~Weds

--- In , Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...> wrote:
>
> Trouble is there will always be people like that in any age. Let's hope PG moves quickly on to Liz1 and a few media hacks divert there (though I admire her). I agree with Jonathan the other day, no other monarch that I know of has two cities festooned with banners in his honour. Fame will always bring controversy (and help people make money). I remain (cautiously) optimistic - but I can't bring myself to watch the last three episodes of TWQ. 

I bought it when  it first came out ( and I didn't know who DJ was).  I still haven't read it and wish I hadn't bought it since I hate the thought of contributing to the bank balance of anyone who is anti Richard.


 
Liz

From: Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Sunday, 4 August 2013, 16:32
Subject: Re: BOOK REVIEW: The Plantagenets - Warrior Kings/Queens Who Made England

 
This book has been out for over a year and hasn't caused much of a stir. Don't worry! 

From: Wednesday McKenna <mailto:wednesday.mac%40gmail.com>
To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 3 August 2013, 17:05
Subject: BOOK REVIEW: The Plantagenets - Warrior Kings/Queens Who Made England

 
"Dan Jones has brought the Plantagenets out of the shadows, revealing them
in all their epic heroism and depravity." Richard III is discussed in the
review, but the book ends with the unthroning of Richard II; the author
promises a sequel.

No subscription necessary to read this article, but you're limited to 10
articles a month at the Washington Post without a subscription.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-plantagenets-the-warrior-kings-and-queens-who-made-england-by-dan-jones/2013/08/02/d0d664ee-b10b-11e2-9a98-4be1688d7d84_story.html

tinyurl:
http://tinyurl.com/l48lnqy

--

- *Friend:* Are you upset about the outcome of the election?
- *Me:* I'm upset about the outcome of the War of the Roses.

I expect it to end with the "glorious " Henry Tudor being crowned and
marrying his "beloved" Elizabeth of York to much rejoicing!
Well except from anyone who knows any history or anything about human
relationships that is!
Paul

On 05/08/2013 18:22, wednesday_mc wrote:
> Do you mean to say TWQ is slated to end the Sunday after the anniversary of Bosworth? So "fans" will either be weeping or gloating at the ending, depending on the House they're supporting? How deliberate is that scheduling?
>
> ~Weds
>
> --- In , Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...> wrote:
>> Trouble is there will always be people like that in any age. Let's hope PG moves quickly on to Liz1 and a few media hacks divert there (though I admire her). I agree with Jonathan the other day, no other monarch that I know of has two cities festooned with banners in his honour. Fame will always bring controversy (and help people make money). I remain (cautiously) optimistic - but I can't bring myself to watch the last three episodes of TWQ.Â
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
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Richard Liveth Yet!