Richard and scoliosis - SAUK plans a documentary

Tamara here.

I'd been curious about what experts (or clever laypersons) in the scoliosis field think of Richard's back issues. Here's a slight hint: It'll likely be a lot more factual than anything PG could create.

http://www.sauk.org.uk/news/149/64/Richard-III-documentary.html

Richard III documentary
Help to re-enact history and be part of a documentary about the King and his scoliosis

21 June 2013
Richard III had late-onset idiopathic scoliosis and a severe curvature, yet he was still able to ride a horse and yield a sword in battle. The revelation that he had scoliosis has sparked interest in the condition and how it would have affected his life. Producers at Darlow Smith Productions are now keen to build up a more detailed picture of who Richard III was and how he was able to cope with his scoliosis. In their quest to uncover more about how Richard III lived, they are hoping to find a modern day Richard III with severe curvature of the spine to take part in the filming of a brand new documentary.

If you are actively interested in stepping back in time and presenting how Richard III would have coped, this could be your opportunity! The role would involve helping viewers to gain a better understanding of the condition, and to learn about Richard III's life with scoliosis. Historical records describe the late King of England as a fearsome warrior leader, so the film producers would like to explore how the physical demands of fighting – wearing armour, riding a horse and manipulating large and heavy weapons – were met with his condition. Clearly, Richard III managed to do all of those things very well to gain such a reputation, so the viewer will not only learn about scoliosis but also that having the condition need not impede an active life.

The producers are ideally looking for a very fit and active 25-35 year old man with adolescent scoliosis, and a curvature of 60-80°. If you think that you fit the bill and would like to be considered, or if you have any further questions, please get in touch with Lucy King on Lucy.King@....

This is a truly exciting opportunity to make a significant contribution to a televised documentary about scoliosis. The programme will offer a unique insight into what living with scoliosis is like and will raise awareness about the condition. Best of luck to those of you who put yourself forward!

Huh. They're gonna need a man who competes in three-day eventing or cross-country riding, who's also a competent historical reinactor. They also need someone whose back hasn't been correct by modern-day surgery. Is that scenario abundant in the UK?

Whoever they pick is either going to die trying to do what Richard did, or be buried under a tide of Richard's fangrrls (sic) pursuing this paragon of medieval virtues.

I'd love to watch the auditions.

~Weds


--- In , "maroonnavywhite" <khafara@...> wrote:
>
> Tamara here.
>
> I'd been curious about what experts (or clever laypersons) in the scoliosis field think of Richard's back issues. Here's a slight hint: It'll likely be a lot more factual than anything PG could create.
>
> http://www.sauk.org.uk/news/149/64/Richard-III-documentary.html
>
> Richard III documentary
> Help to re-enact history and be part of a documentary about the King and his scoliosis
>
> 21 June 2013
> Richard III had late-onset idiopathic scoliosis and a severe curvature, yet he was still able to ride a horse and yield a sword in battle. The revelation that he had scoliosis has sparked interest in the condition and how it would have affected his life. Producers at Darlow Smith Productions are now keen to build up a more detailed picture of who Richard III was and how he was able to cope with his scoliosis. In their quest to uncover more about how Richard III lived, they are hoping to find a modern day Richard III with severe curvature of the spine to take part in the filming of a brand new documentary.
>
> If you are actively interested in stepping back in time and presenting how Richard III would have coped, this could be your opportunity! The role would involve helping viewers to gain a better understanding of the condition, and to learn about Richard III's life with scoliosis. Historical records describe the late King of England as a fearsome warrior leader, so the film producers would like to explore how the physical demands of fighting – wearing armour, riding a horse and manipulating large and heavy weapons – were met with his condition. Clearly, Richard III managed to do all of those things very well to gain such a reputation, so the viewer will not only learn about scoliosis but also that having the condition need not impede an active life.
>
> The producers are ideally looking for a very fit and active 25-35 year old man with adolescent scoliosis, and a curvature of 60-80°. If you think that you fit the bill and would like to be considered, or if you have any further questions, please get in touch with Lucy King on Lucy.King@...
>
> This is a truly exciting opportunity to make a significant contribution to a televised documentary about scoliosis. The programme will offer a unique insight into what living with scoliosis is like and will raise awareness about the condition. Best of luck to those of you who put yourself forward!
>

That's a bit negative Weds. I think what they'll do is find exercises
similar in range and outcome to what Richard did.
Suppose they used a Michael Phelps?
Imagine the training he went through from an early age to win all those
gold medals. Up at 6 every morning from the age of - what- 8? Laps
before breakfast, laps at lunchtime, laps in the evening, plus body work
in the gym, running etc. One hell of an exercise routine that must rival
what the nobility went to in the 15th century!
Paul

On 06/08/2013 03:43, wednesday_mc wrote:
> Huh. They're gonna need a man who competes in three-day eventing or cross-country riding, who's also a competent historical reinactor. They also need someone whose back hasn't been correct by modern-day surgery. Is that scenario abundant in the UK?
>
> Whoever they pick is either going to die trying to do what Richard did, or be buried under a tide of Richard's fangrrls (sic) pursuing this paragon of medieval virtues.
>
> I'd love to watch the auditions.
>
> ~Weds
>
>
> --- In , "maroonnavywhite" <khafara@...> wrote:
>> Tamara here.
>>
>> I'd been curious about what experts (or clever laypersons) in the scoliosis field think of Richard's back issues. Here's a slight hint: It'll likely be a lot more factual than anything PG could create.
>>
>> http://www.sauk.org.uk/news/149/64/Richard-III-documentary.html
>>
>> Richard III documentary
>> Help to re-enact history and be part of a documentary about the King and his scoliosis
>>
>> 21 June 2013
>> Richard III had late-onset idiopathic scoliosis and a severe curvature, yet he was still able to ride a horse and yield a sword in battle. The revelation that he had scoliosis has sparked interest in the condition and how it would have affected his life. Producers at Darlow Smith Productions are now keen to build up a more detailed picture of who Richard III was and how he was able to cope with his scoliosis. In their quest to uncover more about how Richard III lived, they are hoping to find a modern day Richard III with severe curvature of the spine to take part in the filming of a brand new documentary.
>>
>> If you are actively interested in stepping back in time and presenting how Richard III would have coped, this could be your opportunity! The role would involve helping viewers to gain a better understanding of the condition, and to learn about Richard III's life with scoliosis. Historical records describe the late King of England as a fearsome warrior leader, so the film producers would like to explore how the physical demands of fighting  wearing armour, riding a horse and manipulating large and heavy weapons  were met with his condition. Clearly, Richard III managed to do all of those things very well to gain such a reputation, so the viewer will not only learn about scoliosis but also that having the condition need not impede an active life.
>>
>> The producers are ideally looking for a very fit and active 25-35 year old man with adolescent scoliosis, and a curvature of 60-80°. If you think that you fit the bill and would like to be considered, or if you have any further questions, please get in touch with Lucy King on Lucy.King@...
>>
>> This is a truly exciting opportunity to make a significant contribution to a televised documentary about scoliosis. The programme will offer a unique insight into what living with scoliosis is like and will raise awareness about the condition. Best of luck to those of you who put yourself forward!
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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Richard Liveth Yet!

--- In , "wednesday_mc" <wednesday.mac@...> wrote:
>
> Huh. They're gonna need a man who competes in three-day eventing or cross-country riding, who's also a competent historical reinactor. They also need someone whose back hasn't been correct by modern-day surgery. Is that scenario abundant in the UK?
>
> Whoever they pick is either going to die trying to do what Richard did, or be buried under a tide of Richard's fangrrls (sic) pursuing this paragon of medieval virtues.
>
> I'd love to watch the auditions.
>
> ~Weds

Carol responds:

Let's hope that they have a well-informed member of the Richard III Society as a consultant and don't use Shakespeare, More, or any other Tudor source!

Carol

All I'm saying is that if this hypothetical man can't already ride and isn't already an athlete, he's going to be in a world of pain if they throw him into the deep end of the medieval pool. So yeah, I hope they can find another Michael Phelps.

Actually, however much you may personally loathe this actor, you already have a bit of Richard in Orlando Bloom. He doesn't have scoliosis but he did break his back falling three stories and was told he'd never walk again. He's pinned together and is in constant pain, yet doesn't have a problem riding or doing extreme sports. He's also Richard's build.

So maybe there's hope. But I'd still like to watch the auditions. If that's negative...I'm not seeing it.

~Weds

--- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:
>
> That's a bit negative Weds. I think what they'll do is find exercises
> similar in range and outcome to what Richard did.
> Suppose they used a Michael Phelps?
> Imagine the training he went through from an early age to win all those
> gold medals. Up at 6 every morning from the age of - what- 8? Laps
> before breakfast, laps at lunchtime, laps in the evening, plus body work
> in the gym, running etc. One hell of an exercise routine that must rival
> what the nobility went to in the 15th century!
> Paul
>
> On 06/08/2013 03:43, wednesday_mc wrote:
> > Huh. They're gonna need a man who competes in three-day eventing or cross-country riding, who's also a competent historical reinactor. They also need someone whose back hasn't been correct by modern-day surgery. Is that scenario abundant in the UK?
> >
> > Whoever they pick is either going to die trying to do what Richard did, or be buried under a tide of Richard's fangrrls (sic) pursuing this paragon of medieval virtues.
> >
> > I'd love to watch the auditions.
> >
> > ~Weds
> >
> >
> > --- In , "maroonnavywhite" <khafara@> wrote:
> >> Tamara here.
> >>
> >> I'd been curious about what experts (or clever laypersons) in the scoliosis field think of Richard's back issues. Here's a slight hint: It'll likely be a lot more factual than anything PG could create.
> >>
> >> http://www.sauk.org.uk/news/149/64/Richard-III-documentary.html
> >>
> >> Richard III documentary
> >> Help to re-enact history and be part of a documentary about the King and his scoliosis
> >>
> >> 21 June 2013
> >> Richard III had late-onset idiopathic scoliosis and a severe curvature, yet he was still able to ride a horse and yield a sword in battle. The revelation that he had scoliosis has sparked interest in the condition and how it would have affected his life. Producers at Darlow Smith Productions are now keen to build up a more detailed picture of who Richard III was and how he was able to cope with his scoliosis. In their quest to uncover more about how Richard III lived, they are hoping to find a modern day Richard III with severe curvature of the spine to take part in the filming of a brand new documentary.
> >>
> >> If you are actively interested in stepping back in time and presenting how Richard III would have coped, this could be your opportunity! The role would involve helping viewers to gain a better understanding of the condition, and to learn about Richard III's life with scoliosis. Historical records describe the late King of England as a fearsome warrior leader, so the film producers would like to explore how the physical demands of fighting – wearing armour, riding a horse and manipulating large and heavy weapons – were met with his condition. Clearly, Richard III managed to do all of those things very well to gain such a reputation, so the viewer will not only learn about scoliosis but also that having the condition need not impede an active life.
> >>
> >> The producers are ideally looking for a very fit and active 25-35 year old man with adolescent scoliosis, and a curvature of 60-80°. If you think that you fit the bill and would like to be considered, or if you have any further questions, please get in touch with Lucy King on Lucy.King@
> >>
> >> This is a truly exciting opportunity to make a significant contribution to a televised documentary about scoliosis. The programme will offer a unique insight into what living with scoliosis is like and will raise awareness about the condition. Best of luck to those of you who put yourself forward!
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>

I've already written to one of my American SCA friends to ask him to pass the word to any UK friends.

Though really, per the scoliotics and their doctors that I've encountered, exercise such as what Richard got (and the sort of bracing provided by a stiff cloth or leather jack) turns out to be one of the better things for scoliosis, and up until the last five years or so and the advent of minimally invasive spinal surgery doctors generally tried to do everything they could to stave off operating on patients as traditional surgery involves doing great damage to the back muscles.

Tamara


--- In , "wednesday_mc" <wednesday.mac@...> wrote:
>
> All I'm saying is that if this hypothetical man can't already ride and isn't already an athlete, he's going to be in a world of pain if they throw him into the deep end of the medieval pool. So yeah, I hope they can find another Michael Phelps.
>
> Actually, however much you may personally loathe this actor, you already have a bit of Richard in Orlando Bloom. He doesn't have scoliosis but he did break his back falling three stories and was told he'd never walk again. He's pinned together and is in constant pain, yet doesn't have a problem riding or doing extreme sports. He's also Richard's build.
>
> So maybe there's hope. But I'd still like to watch the auditions. If that's negative...I'm not seeing it.
>
> ~Weds
>
> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> >
> > That's a bit negative Weds. I think what they'll do is find exercises
> > similar in range and outcome to what Richard did.
> > Suppose they used a Michael Phelps?
> > Imagine the training he went through from an early age to win all those
> > gold medals. Up at 6 every morning from the age of - what- 8? Laps
> > before breakfast, laps at lunchtime, laps in the evening, plus body work
> > in the gym, running etc. One hell of an exercise routine that must rival
> > what the nobility went to in the 15th century!
> > Paul
> >
> > On 06/08/2013 03:43, wednesday_mc wrote:
> > > Huh. They're gonna need a man who competes in three-day eventing or cross-country riding, who's also a competent historical reinactor. They also need someone whose back hasn't been correct by modern-day surgery. Is that scenario abundant in the UK?
> > >
> > > Whoever they pick is either going to die trying to do what Richard did, or be buried under a tide of Richard's fangrrls (sic) pursuing this paragon of medieval virtues.
> > >
> > > I'd love to watch the auditions.
> > >
> > > ~Weds
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , "maroonnavywhite" <khafara@> wrote:
> > >> Tamara here.
> > >>
> > >> I'd been curious about what experts (or clever laypersons) in the scoliosis field think of Richard's back issues. Here's a slight hint: It'll likely be a lot more factual than anything PG could create.
> > >>
> > >> http://www.sauk.org.uk/news/149/64/Richard-III-documentary.html
> > >>
> > >> Richard III documentary
> > >> Help to re-enact history and be part of a documentary about the King and his scoliosis
> > >>
> > >> 21 June 2013
> > >> Richard III had late-onset idiopathic scoliosis and a severe curvature, yet he was still able to ride a horse and yield a sword in battle. The revelation that he had scoliosis has sparked interest in the condition and how it would have affected his life. Producers at Darlow Smith Productions are now keen to build up a more detailed picture of who Richard III was and how he was able to cope with his scoliosis. In their quest to uncover more about how Richard III lived, they are hoping to find a modern day Richard III with severe curvature of the spine to take part in the filming of a brand new documentary.
> > >>
> > >> If you are actively interested in stepping back in time and presenting how Richard III would have coped, this could be your opportunity! The role would involve helping viewers to gain a better understanding of the condition, and to learn about Richard III's life with scoliosis. Historical records describe the late King of England as a fearsome warrior leader, so the film producers would like to explore how the physical demands of fighting – wearing armour, riding a horse and manipulating large and heavy weapons – were met with his condition. Clearly, Richard III managed to do all of those things very well to gain such a reputation, so the viewer will not only learn about scoliosis but also that having the condition need not impede an active life.
> > >>
> > >> The producers are ideally looking for a very fit and active 25-35 year old man with adolescent scoliosis, and a curvature of 60-80°. If you think that you fit the bill and would like to be considered, or if you have any further questions, please get in touch with Lucy King on Lucy.King@
> > >>
> > >> This is a truly exciting opportunity to make a significant contribution to a televised documentary about scoliosis. The programme will offer a unique insight into what living with scoliosis is like and will raise awareness about the condition. Best of luck to those of you who put yourself forward!
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Richard Liveth Yet!
> >
>

I should say that *ethical* surgeons specializing in conventional spinal surgery try to avoid performing conventional surgery on persons who lead very active lives unless there is really no other option.

Tamara



--- In , "maroonnavywhite" <khafara@...> wrote:
>
> I've already written to one of my American SCA friends to ask him to pass the word to any UK friends.
>
> Though really, per the scoliotics and their doctors that I've encountered, exercise such as what Richard got (and the sort of bracing provided by a stiff cloth or leather jack) turns out to be one of the better things for scoliosis, and up until the last five years or so and the advent of minimally invasive spinal surgery doctors generally tried to do everything they could to stave off operating on patients as traditional surgery involves doing great damage to the back muscles.
>
> Tamara
>
>
> --- In , "wednesday_mc" <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
> >
> > All I'm saying is that if this hypothetical man can't already ride and isn't already an athlete, he's going to be in a world of pain if they throw him into the deep end of the medieval pool. So yeah, I hope they can find another Michael Phelps.
> >
> > Actually, however much you may personally loathe this actor, you already have a bit of Richard in Orlando Bloom. He doesn't have scoliosis but he did break his back falling three stories and was told he'd never walk again. He's pinned together and is in constant pain, yet doesn't have a problem riding or doing extreme sports. He's also Richard's build.
> >
> > So maybe there's hope. But I'd still like to watch the auditions. If that's negative...I'm not seeing it.
> >
> > ~Weds
> >
> > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> > >
> > > That's a bit negative Weds. I think what they'll do is find exercises
> > > similar in range and outcome to what Richard did.
> > > Suppose they used a Michael Phelps?
> > > Imagine the training he went through from an early age to win all those
> > > gold medals. Up at 6 every morning from the age of - what- 8? Laps
> > > before breakfast, laps at lunchtime, laps in the evening, plus body work
> > > in the gym, running etc. One hell of an exercise routine that must rival
> > > what the nobility went to in the 15th century!
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > On 06/08/2013 03:43, wednesday_mc wrote:
> > > > Huh. They're gonna need a man who competes in three-day eventing or cross-country riding, who's also a competent historical reinactor. They also need someone whose back hasn't been correct by modern-day surgery. Is that scenario abundant in the UK?
> > > >
> > > > Whoever they pick is either going to die trying to do what Richard did, or be buried under a tide of Richard's fangrrls (sic) pursuing this paragon of medieval virtues.
> > > >
> > > > I'd love to watch the auditions.
> > > >
> > > > ~Weds
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "maroonnavywhite" <khafara@> wrote:
> > > >> Tamara here.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'd been curious about what experts (or clever laypersons) in the scoliosis field think of Richard's back issues. Here's a slight hint: It'll likely be a lot more factual than anything PG could create.
> > > >>
> > > >> http://www.sauk.org.uk/news/149/64/Richard-III-documentary.html
> > > >>
> > > >> Richard III documentary
> > > >> Help to re-enact history and be part of a documentary about the King and his scoliosis
> > > >>
> > > >> 21 June 2013
> > > >> Richard III had late-onset idiopathic scoliosis and a severe curvature, yet he was still able to ride a horse and yield a sword in battle. The revelation that he had scoliosis has sparked interest in the condition and how it would have affected his life. Producers at Darlow Smith Productions are now keen to build up a more detailed picture of who Richard III was and how he was able to cope with his scoliosis. In their quest to uncover more about how Richard III lived, they are hoping to find a modern day Richard III with severe curvature of the spine to take part in the filming of a brand new documentary.
> > > >>
> > > >> If you are actively interested in stepping back in time and presenting how Richard III would have coped, this could be your opportunity! The role would involve helping viewers to gain a better understanding of the condition, and to learn about Richard III's life with scoliosis. Historical records describe the late King of England as a fearsome warrior leader, so the film producers would like to explore how the physical demands of fighting – wearing armour, riding a horse and manipulating large and heavy weapons – were met with his condition. Clearly, Richard III managed to do all of those things very well to gain such a reputation, so the viewer will not only learn about scoliosis but also that having the condition need not impede an active life.
> > > >>
> > > >> The producers are ideally looking for a very fit and active 25-35 year old man with adolescent scoliosis, and a curvature of 60-80°. If you think that you fit the bill and would like to be considered, or if you have any further questions, please get in touch with Lucy King on Lucy.King@
> > > >>
> > > >> This is a truly exciting opportunity to make a significant contribution to a televised documentary about scoliosis. The programme will offer a unique insight into what living with scoliosis is like and will raise awareness about the condition. Best of luck to those of you who put yourself forward!
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Richard Liveth Yet!
> > >
> >
>

They could try Usain Bolt?!
----- Original Message -----
From: maroonnavywhite
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: Richard and scoliosis - SAUK plans a documentary



I've already written to one of my American SCA friends to ask him to pass the word to any UK friends.

Though really, per the scoliotics and their doctors that I've encountered, exercise such as what Richard got (and the sort of bracing provided by a stiff cloth or leather jack) turns out to be one of the better things for scoliosis, and up until the last five years or so and the advent of minimally invasive spinal surgery doctors generally tried to do everything they could to stave off operating on patients as traditional surgery involves doing great damage to the back muscles.

Tamara

--- In , "wednesday_mc" <wednesday.mac@...> wrote:
>
> All I'm saying is that if this hypothetical man can't already ride and isn't already an athlete, he's going to be in a world of pain if they throw him into the deep end of the medieval pool. So yeah, I hope they can find another Michael Phelps.
>
> Actually, however much you may personally loathe this actor, you already have a bit of Richard in Orlando Bloom. He doesn't have scoliosis but he did break his back falling three stories and was told he'd never walk again. He's pinned together and is in constant pain, yet doesn't have a problem riding or doing extreme sports. He's also Richard's build.
>
> So maybe there's hope. But I'd still like to watch the auditions. If that's negative...I'm not seeing it.
>
> ~Weds
>
> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> >
> > That's a bit negative Weds. I think what they'll do is find exercises
> > similar in range and outcome to what Richard did.
> > Suppose they used a Michael Phelps?
> > Imagine the training he went through from an early age to win all those
> > gold medals. Up at 6 every morning from the age of - what- 8? Laps
> > before breakfast, laps at lunchtime, laps in the evening, plus body work
> > in the gym, running etc. One hell of an exercise routine that must rival
> > what the nobility went to in the 15th century!
> > Paul
> >
> > On 06/08/2013 03:43, wednesday_mc wrote:
> > > Huh. They're gonna need a man who competes in three-day eventing or cross-country riding, who's also a competent historical reinactor. They also need someone whose back hasn't been correct by modern-day surgery. Is that scenario abundant in the UK?
> > >
> > > Whoever they pick is either going to die trying to do what Richard did, or be buried under a tide of Richard's fangrrls (sic) pursuing this paragon of medieval virtues.
> > >
> > > I'd love to watch the auditions.
> > >
> > > ~Weds
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , "maroonnavywhite" <khafara@> wrote:
> > >> Tamara here.
> > >>
> > >> I'd been curious about what experts (or clever laypersons) in the scoliosis field think of Richard's back issues. Here's a slight hint: It'll likely be a lot more factual than anything PG could create.
> > >>
> > >> http://www.sauk.org.uk/news/149/64/Richard-III-documentary.html
> > >>
> > >> Richard III documentary
> > >> Help to re-enact history and be part of a documentary about the King and his scoliosis
> > >>
> > >> 21 June 2013
> > >> Richard III had late-onset idiopathic scoliosis and a severe curvature, yet he was still able to ride a horse and yield a sword in battle. The revelation that he had scoliosis has sparked interest in the condition and how it would have affected his life. Producers at Darlow Smith Productions are now keen to build up a more detailed picture of who Richard III was and how he was able to cope with his scoliosis. In their quest to uncover more about how Richard III lived, they are hoping to find a modern day Richard III with severe curvature of the spine to take part in the filming of a brand new documentary.
> > >>
> > >> If you are actively interested in stepping back in time and presenting how Richard III would have coped, this could be your opportunity! The role would involve helping viewers to gain a better understanding of the condition, and to learn about Richard III's life with scoliosis. Historical records describe the late King of England as a fearsome warrior leader, so the film producers would like to explore how the physical demands of fighting - wearing armour, riding a horse and manipulating large and heavy weapons - were met with his condition. Clearly, Richard III managed to do all of those things very well to gain such a reputation, so the viewer will not only learn about scoliosis but also that having the condition need not impede an active life.
> > >>
> > >> The producers are ideally looking for a very fit and active 25-35 year old man with adolescent scoliosis, and a curvature of 60-80°. If you think that you fit the bill and would like to be considered, or if you have any further questions, please get in touch with Lucy King on Lucy.King@
> > >>
> > >> This is a truly exciting opportunity to make a significant contribution to a televised documentary about scoliosis. The programme will offer a unique insight into what living with scoliosis is like and will raise awareness about the condition. Best of luck to those of you who put yourself forward!
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Richard Liveth Yet!
> >
>

If only he was a foot shorter and a touch paler! :-)

Tamara

--- In , "Stephen Lark" <stephenmlark@...> wrote:
>
> They could try Usain Bolt?!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: maroonnavywhite
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 9:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Richard and scoliosis - SAUK plans a documentary
>
>
>
> I've already written to one of my American SCA friends to ask him to pass the word to any UK friends.
>
> Though really, per the scoliotics and their doctors that I've encountered, exercise such as what Richard got (and the sort of bracing provided by a stiff cloth or leather jack) turns out to be one of the better things for scoliosis, and up until the last five years or so and the advent of minimally invasive spinal surgery doctors generally tried to do everything they could to stave off operating on patients as traditional surgery involves doing great damage to the back muscles.
>
> Tamara
>
> --- In , "wednesday_mc" <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
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> > All I'm saying is that if this hypothetical man can't already ride and isn't already an athlete, he's going to be in a world of pain if they throw him into the deep end of the medieval pool. So yeah, I hope they can find another Michael Phelps.
> >
> > Actually, however much you may personally loathe this actor, you already have a bit of Richard in Orlando Bloom. He doesn't have scoliosis but he did break his back falling three stories and was told he'd never walk again. He's pinned together and is in constant pain, yet doesn't have a problem riding or doing extreme sports. He's also Richard's build.
> >
> > So maybe there's hope. But I'd still like to watch the auditions. If that's negative...I'm not seeing it.
> >
> > ~Weds
> >
> > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> > >
> > > That's a bit negative Weds. I think what they'll do is find exercises
> > > similar in range and outcome to what Richard did.
> > > Suppose they used a Michael Phelps?
> > > Imagine the training he went through from an early age to win all those
> > > gold medals. Up at 6 every morning from the age of - what- 8? Laps
> > > before breakfast, laps at lunchtime, laps in the evening, plus body work
> > > in the gym, running etc. One hell of an exercise routine that must rival
> > > what the nobility went to in the 15th century!
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > On 06/08/2013 03:43, wednesday_mc wrote:
> > > > Huh. They're gonna need a man who competes in three-day eventing or cross-country riding, who's also a competent historical reinactor. They also need someone whose back hasn't been correct by modern-day surgery. Is that scenario abundant in the UK?
> > > >
> > > > Whoever they pick is either going to die trying to do what Richard did, or be buried under a tide of Richard's fangrrls (sic) pursuing this paragon of medieval virtues.
> > > >
> > > > I'd love to watch the auditions.
> > > >
> > > > ~Weds
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "maroonnavywhite" <khafara@> wrote:
> > > >> Tamara here.
> > > >>
> > > >> I'd been curious about what experts (or clever laypersons) in the scoliosis field think of Richard's back issues. Here's a slight hint: It'll likely be a lot more factual than anything PG could create.
> > > >>
> > > >> http://www.sauk.org.uk/news/149/64/Richard-III-documentary.html
> > > >>
> > > >> Richard III documentary
> > > >> Help to re-enact history and be part of a documentary about the King and his scoliosis
> > > >>
> > > >> 21 June 2013
> > > >> Richard III had late-onset idiopathic scoliosis and a severe curvature, yet he was still able to ride a horse and yield a sword in battle. The revelation that he had scoliosis has sparked interest in the condition and how it would have affected his life. Producers at Darlow Smith Productions are now keen to build up a more detailed picture of who Richard III was and how he was able to cope with his scoliosis. In their quest to uncover more about how Richard III lived, they are hoping to find a modern day Richard III with severe curvature of the spine to take part in the filming of a brand new documentary.
> > > >>
> > > >> If you are actively interested in stepping back in time and presenting how Richard III would have coped, this could be your opportunity! The role would involve helping viewers to gain a better understanding of the condition, and to learn about Richard III's life with scoliosis. Historical records describe the late King of England as a fearsome warrior leader, so the film producers would like to explore how the physical demands of fighting - wearing armour, riding a horse and manipulating large and heavy weapons - were met with his condition. Clearly, Richard III managed to do all of those things very well to gain such a reputation, so the viewer will not only learn about scoliosis but also that having the condition need not impede an active life.
> > > >>
> > > >> The producers are ideally looking for a very fit and active 25-35 year old man with adolescent scoliosis, and a curvature of 60-80°. If you think that you fit the bill and would like to be considered, or if you have any further questions, please get in touch with Lucy King on Lucy.King@
> > > >>
> > > >> This is a truly exciting opportunity to make a significant contribution to a televised documentary about scoliosis. The programme will offer a unique insight into what living with scoliosis is like and will raise awareness about the condition. Best of luck to those of you who put yourself forward!
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A dear friend is an RN with scoliosis comparable to Richard's. She has not had surgery for the condition.

At age 75, she's an avid amateur actress who sings and dances rather vigorously with several local theatrical companies. When I showed her the photographs of Richard's spine, her considered medical and personal opinion was that the condition would not have noticeably impeded him and would not have shown outwardly in his posture except as one shoulder slightly higher than the other. Probably it would have shown only very slightly, given the incentive to "Stand up straight, Richard!" for military training.

--- In , "maroonnavywhite" <khafara@...> wrote:
>
> Tamara here.
>
> I'd been curious about what experts (or clever laypersons) in the scoliosis field think of Richard's back issues. Here's a slight hint: It'll likely be a lot more factual than anything PG could create.
>
> http://www.sauk.org.uk/news/149/64/Richard-III-documentary.html
>
> Richard III documentary
> Help to re-enact history and be part of a documentary about the King and his scoliosis
>
> 21 June 2013
> Richard III had late-onset idiopathic scoliosis and a severe curvature, yet he was still able to ride a horse and yield a sword in battle. The revelation that he had scoliosis has sparked interest in the condition and how it would have affected his life. Producers at Darlow Smith Productions are now keen to build up a more detailed picture of who Richard III was and how he was able to cope with his scoliosis. In their quest to uncover more about how Richard III lived, they are hoping to find a modern day Richard III with severe curvature of the spine to take part in the filming of a brand new documentary.
>
> If you are actively interested in stepping back in time and presenting how Richard III would have coped, this could be your opportunity! The role would involve helping viewers to gain a better understanding of the condition, and to learn about Richard III's life with scoliosis. Historical records describe the late King of England as a fearsome warrior leader, so the film producers would like to explore how the physical demands of fighting – wearing armour, riding a horse and manipulating large and heavy weapons – were met with his condition. Clearly, Richard III managed to do all of those things very well to gain such a reputation, so the viewer will not only learn about scoliosis but also that having the condition need not impede an active life.
>
> The producers are ideally looking for a very fit and active 25-35 year old man with adolescent scoliosis, and a curvature of 60-80°. If you think that you fit the bill and would like to be considered, or if you have any further questions, please get in touch with Lucy King on Lucy.King@...
>
> This is a truly exciting opportunity to make a significant contribution to a televised documentary about scoliosis. The programme will offer a unique insight into what living with scoliosis is like and will raise awareness about the condition. Best of luck to those of you who put yourself forward!
>

Thanks for this!

From what I've been able to find poking around online, it seems that until recently, with the advent of minimally invasive surgical techniques -- where the surgeons push aside the muscles rather than cutting them -- avoiding surgery would have made a great deal of sense, as traditional spinal surgery devastates the back muscles (they are never as strong as they were before) and has a very long recovery time in any event.

My guess is that Richard, being a warrior king, would not have been a good candidate for traditional spinal surgery, but may have possibly benefitted from minimally invasive surgery, especially if his curve showed signs of progression during adulthood or had turned kypho-scoliotic.

Tamara

--- In , "nanyeha" <nanyeha@...> wrote:
>
> A dear friend is an RN with scoliosis comparable to Richard's. She has not had surgery for the condition.
>
> At age 75, she's an avid amateur actress who sings and dances rather vigorously with several local theatrical companies. When I showed her the photographs of Richard's spine, her considered medical and personal opinion was that the condition would not have noticeably impeded him and would not have shown outwardly in his posture except as one shoulder slightly higher than the other. Probably it would have shown only very slightly, given the incentive to "Stand up straight, Richard!" for military training.
>
> --- In , "maroonnavywhite" <khafara@> wrote:
> >
> > Tamara here.
> >
> > I'd been curious about what experts (or clever laypersons) in the scoliosis field think of Richard's back issues. Here's a slight hint: It'll likely be a lot more factual than anything PG could create.
> >
> > http://www.sauk.org.uk/news/149/64/Richard-III-documentary.html
> >
> > Richard III documentary
> > Help to re-enact history and be part of a documentary about the King and his scoliosis
> >
> > 21 June 2013
> > Richard III had late-onset idiopathic scoliosis and a severe curvature, yet he was still able to ride a horse and yield a sword in battle. The revelation that he had scoliosis has sparked interest in the condition and how it would have affected his life. Producers at Darlow Smith Productions are now keen to build up a more detailed picture of who Richard III was and how he was able to cope with his scoliosis. In their quest to uncover more about how Richard III lived, they are hoping to find a modern day Richard III with severe curvature of the spine to take part in the filming of a brand new documentary.
> >
> > If you are actively interested in stepping back in time and presenting how Richard III would have coped, this could be your opportunity! The role would involve helping viewers to gain a better understanding of the condition, and to learn about Richard III's life with scoliosis. Historical records describe the late King of England as a fearsome warrior leader, so the film producers would like to explore how the physical demands of fighting – wearing armour, riding a horse and manipulating large and heavy weapons – were met with his condition. Clearly, Richard III managed to do all of those things very well to gain such a reputation, so the viewer will not only learn about scoliosis but also that having the condition need not impede an active life.
> >
> > The producers are ideally looking for a very fit and active 25-35 year old man with adolescent scoliosis, and a curvature of 60-80°. If you think that you fit the bill and would like to be considered, or if you have any further questions, please get in touch with Lucy King on Lucy.King@
> >
> > This is a truly exciting opportunity to make a significant contribution to a televised documentary about scoliosis. The programme will offer a unique insight into what living with scoliosis is like and will raise awareness about the condition. Best of luck to those of you who put yourself forward!
> >
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