PG thank you

I must thank Philippa Gregory for ending centuries of speculation! We
now know that Edward of Middleham is buried in Westminster Abbey, that
Richard, son of Edward IV was in England with his mother at the time of
Bosworth, which was fought in the only snowstorm in British history to
have happened in August. There, Margaret Beaufort was wandering about,
visiting her son the night before, spending the battle in his tent, and
praying for Stanley to intervene, which he did, [wrong Stanley of
course,] in time for her to turn up and see her son crowned on the
battlefield. Oh and Richard was only pretending to love Elizabeth of
York to fool the opposition. No Hastings, Lovell, Ratcliffe, Catesby.....
So that's all good now then. The glorious Tudors begins. Good old
Margaret Beaufort! Triumphant and vindicated.
Invisible imaginary friends win! No treachery or betrayal, no humans
involved really.
Hogwash, the whole thing!
Disgusted
Paul
p.s. anyone else notice the "best attended coronation in history" last
week had around a dozen people there, and took place in a July so cold
the breath clouded as it left everyone's body? Amazing what you can do
when you make it up. Now I imagine people will also think she made up
the eclipse at Anne's death, which did happen! I wish I could sue PG for
libel, slander, whatever, on Richard and Anne's behalf. But you can't
slander the dead can you?



--
Richard Liveth Yet!

But the Telegraph today has given it four stars and says it's sad that the splendid historian Gregory was forced to change facts a bit! Off to the fridge for the first time in months.  :)



________________________________
From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
To: RichardIIISociety forum <>
Sent: Monday, 19 August 2013, 8:42
Subject: PG thank you


 

I must thank Philippa Gregory for ending centuries of speculation! We
now know that Edward of Middleham is buried in Westminster Abbey, that
Richard, son of Edward IV was in England with his mother at the time of
Bosworth, which was fought in the only snowstorm in British history to
have happened in August. There, Margaret Beaufort was wandering about,
visiting her son the night before, spending the battle in his tent, and
praying for Stanley to intervene, which he did, [wrong Stanley of
course,] in time for her to turn up and see her son crowned on the
battlefield. Oh and Richard was only pretending to love Elizabeth of
York to fool the opposition. No Hastings, Lovell, Ratcliffe, Catesby.....
So that's all good now then. The glorious Tudors begins. Good old
Margaret Beaufort! Triumphant and vindicated.
Invisible imaginary friends win! No treachery or betrayal, no humans
involved really.
Hogwash, the whole thing!
Disgusted
Paul
p.s. anyone else notice the "best attended coronation in history" last
week had around a dozen people there, and took place in a July so cold
the breath clouded as it left everyone's body? Amazing what you can do
when you make it up. Now I imagine people will also think she made up
the eclipse at Anne's death, which did happen! I wish I could sue PG for
libel, slander, whatever, on Richard and Anne's behalf. But you can't
slander the dead can you?

--
Richard Liveth Yet!

I could tell that Lord Stanley was a wrong 'un, as the Lathom quarters on his coat of arms were upside down, clearly indicating a pact with the devil.

He'd also evidently hired a body double to charge in at Bosworth, as the real Thomas never risked his whiskers in a real fight.

We also discovered that Richard didn't die in a sodded Leicestershire field after all, but under the shade of a fir plantation somewhere in the Belgian Ardennes.

Sequel anyone?



--- In , Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...> wrote:
>
> But the Telegraph today has given it four stars and says it's sad that the splendid historian Gregory was forced to change facts a bit! Off to the fridge for the first time in months.  :)
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
> To: RichardIIISociety forum <>
> Sent: Monday, 19 August 2013, 8:42
> Subject: PG thank you
>
>
>  
>
> I must thank Philippa Gregory for ending centuries of speculation! We
> now know that Edward of Middleham is buried in Westminster Abbey, that
> Richard, son of Edward IV was in England with his mother at the time of
> Bosworth, which was fought in the only snowstorm in British history to
> have happened in August. There, Margaret Beaufort was wandering about,
> visiting her son the night before, spending the battle in his tent, and
> praying for Stanley to intervene, which he did, [wrong Stanley of
> course,] in time for her to turn up and see her son crowned on the
> battlefield. Oh and Richard was only pretending to love Elizabeth of
> York to fool the opposition. No Hastings, Lovell, Ratcliffe, Catesby.....
> So that's all good now then. The glorious Tudors begins. Good old
> Margaret Beaufort! Triumphant and vindicated.
> Invisible imaginary friends win! No treachery or betrayal, no humans
> involved really.
> Hogwash, the whole thing!
> Disgusted
> Paul
> p.s. anyone else notice the "best attended coronation in history" last
> week had around a dozen people there, and took place in a July so cold
> the breath clouded as it left everyone's body? Amazing what you can do
> when you make it up. Now I imagine people will also think she made up
> the eclipse at Anne's death, which did happen! I wish I could sue PG for
> libel, slander, whatever, on Richard and Anne's behalf. But you can't
> slander the dead can you?
>
> --
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>
>
>
>
>

I must send the person who wrote that review a dictionary so they can look up the definition of "historian"
 
And who the hell "forced" her to change anything?


Liz

From: Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Monday, 19 August 2013, 9:21
Subject: Re: PG thank you

 
But the Telegraph today has given it four stars and says it's sad that the splendid historian Gregory was forced to change facts a bit! Off to the fridge for the first time in months.  :)

________________________________
From: Paul Trevor Bale <mailto:paul.bale%40sky.com>
To: RichardIIISociety forum <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 19 August 2013, 8:42
Subject: PG thank you


 

I must thank Philippa Gregory for ending centuries of speculation! We
now know that Edward of Middleham is buried in Westminster Abbey, that
Richard, son of Edward IV was in England with his mother at the time of
Bosworth, which was fought in the only snowstorm in British history to
have happened in August. There, Margaret Beaufort was wandering about,
visiting her son the night before, spending the battle in his tent, and
praying for Stanley to intervene, which he did, [wrong Stanley of
course,] in time for her to turn up and see her son crowned on the
battlefield. Oh and Richard was only pretending to love Elizabeth of
York to fool the opposition. No Hastings, Lovell, Ratcliffe, Catesby.....
So that's all good now then. The glorious Tudors begins. Good old
Margaret Beaufort! Triumphant and vindicated.
Invisible imaginary friends win! No treachery or betrayal, no humans
involved really.
Hogwash, the whole thing!
Disgusted
Paul
p.s. anyone else notice the "best attended coronation in history" last
week had around a dozen people there, and took place in a July so cold
the breath clouded as it left everyone's body? Amazing what you can do
when you make it up. Now I imagine people will also think she made up
the eclipse at Anne's death, which did happen! I wish I could sue PG for
libel, slander, whatever, on Richard and Anne's behalf. But you can't
slander the dead can you?

--
Richard Liveth Yet!

Paul, yesterday my husband gave me an Op ED piece to read related to U.S. politics. In it, were numerous mentions, speculations, etc. about Henry VIII and Elizabeth I, Mr. Shakespeare, and there were so many things in just that little piece which were absolutely and completely not true, I realized bang, there has been 500 years of tinkering with the truth.

On Aug 19, 2013, at 2:42 AM, "Paul Trevor Bale" <paul.bale@...<mailto:paul.bale@...>> wrote:



I must thank Philippa Gregory for ending centuries of speculation! We
now know that Edward of Middleham is buried in Westminster Abbey, that
Richard, son of Edward IV was in England with his mother at the time of
Bosworth, which was fought in the only snowstorm in British history to
have happened in August. There, Margaret Beaufort was wandering about,
visiting her son the night before, spending the battle in his tent, and
praying for Stanley to intervene, which he did, [wrong Stanley of
course,] in time for her to turn up and see her son crowned on the
battlefield. Oh and Richard was only pretending to love Elizabeth of
York to fool the opposition. No Hastings, Lovell, Ratcliffe, Catesby.....
So that's all good now then. The glorious Tudors begins. Good old
Margaret Beaufort! Triumphant and vindicated.
Invisible imaginary friends win! No treachery or betrayal, no humans
involved really.
Hogwash, the whole thing!
Disgusted
Paul
p.s. anyone else notice the "best attended coronation in history" last
week had around a dozen people there, and took place in a July so cold
the breath clouded as it left everyone's body? Amazing what you can do
when you make it up. Now I imagine people will also think she made up
the eclipse at Anne's death, which did happen! I wish I could sue PG for
libel, slander, whatever, on Richard and Anne's behalf. But you can't
slander the dead can you?

--
Richard Liveth Yet!

You must admit Paul that PG is amazing, she has discovered things that Ricardians have spent decades searching for. I wonder where she found the evidence!! Do you think they might search Westminster Abbey for E of M's coffin?

--- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:
>
> I must thank Philippa Gregory for ending centuries of speculation! We
> now know that Edward of Middleham is buried in Westminster Abbey, that
> Richard, son of Edward IV was in England with his mother at the time of
> Bosworth, which was fought in the only snowstorm in British history to
> have happened in August. There, Margaret Beaufort was wandering about,
> visiting her son the night before, spending the battle in his tent, and
> praying for Stanley to intervene, which he did, [wrong Stanley of
> course,] in time for her to turn up and see her son crowned on the
> battlefield. Oh and Richard was only pretending to love Elizabeth of
> York to fool the opposition. No Hastings, Lovell, Ratcliffe, Catesby.....
> So that's all good now then. The glorious Tudors begins. Good old
> Margaret Beaufort! Triumphant and vindicated.
> Invisible imaginary friends win! No treachery or betrayal, no humans
> involved really.
> Hogwash, the whole thing!
> Disgusted
> Paul
> p.s. anyone else notice the "best attended coronation in history" last
> week had around a dozen people there, and took place in a July so cold
> the breath clouded as it left everyone's body? Amazing what you can do
> when you make it up. Now I imagine people will also think she made up
> the eclipse at Anne's death, which did happen! I wish I could sue PG for
> libel, slander, whatever, on Richard and Anne's behalf. But you can't
> slander the dead can you?
>
>
>
> --
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>

Since PG is all-seeing, no doubt she can tell them exactly where it is.



Liz

From: ricard1an <maryfriend@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 19 August 2013, 16:12
Subject: Re: PG thank you

 
You must admit Paul that PG is amazing, she has discovered things that Ricardians have spent decades searching for. I wonder where she found the evidence!! Do you think they might search Westminster Abbey for E of M's coffin?

--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:
>
> I must thank Philippa Gregory for ending centuries of speculation! We
> now know that Edward of Middleham is buried in Westminster Abbey, that
> Richard, son of Edward IV was in England with his mother at the time of
> Bosworth, which was fought in the only snowstorm in British history to
> have happened in August. There, Margaret Beaufort was wandering about,
> visiting her son the night before, spending the battle in his tent, and
> praying for Stanley to intervene, which he did, [wrong Stanley of
> course,] in time for her to turn up and see her son crowned on the
> battlefield. Oh and Richard was only pretending to love Elizabeth of
> York to fool the opposition. No Hastings, Lovell, Ratcliffe, Catesby.....
> So that's all good now then. The glorious Tudors begins. Good old
> Margaret Beaufort! Triumphant and vindicated.
> Invisible imaginary friends win! No treachery or betrayal, no humans
> involved really.
> Hogwash, the whole thing!
> Disgusted
> Paul
> p.s. anyone else notice the "best attended coronation in history" last
> week had around a dozen people there, and took place in a July so cold
> the breath clouded as it left everyone's body? Amazing what you can do
> when you make it up. Now I imagine people will also think she made up
> the eclipse at Anne's death, which did happen! I wish I could sue PG for
> libel, slander, whatever, on Richard and Anne's behalf. But you can't
> slander the dead can you?
>
>
>
> --
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>

And now someone else is saying that as Lancaster and York are in their graves, can we have a second series about the White Princess, please, to reveal Henry VII's buttocks (not a pleasant thought)? A bad day in a bad week! I shall take me to a nunnery :) H.



________________________________
From: liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Monday, 19 August 2013, 12:38
Subject: Re: PG thank you


 

I must send the person who wrote that review a dictionary so they can look up the definition of "historian"
 
And who the hell "forced" her to change anything?

Liz

From: Hilary Jones <mailto:hjnatdat%40yahoo.com>
To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 19 August 2013, 9:21
Subject: Re: PG thank you

 
But the Telegraph today has given it four stars and says it's sad that the splendid historian Gregory was forced to change facts a bit! Off to the fridge for the first time in months.  :)

________________________________
From: Paul Trevor Bale <mailto:paul.bale%40sky.com>
To: RichardIIISociety forum <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 19 August 2013, 8:42
Subject: PG thank you

 

I must thank Philippa Gregory for ending centuries of speculation! We
now know that Edward of Middleham is buried in Westminster Abbey, that
Richard, son of Edward IV was in England with his mother at the time of
Bosworth, which was fought in the only snowstorm in British history to
have happened in August. There, Margaret Beaufort was wandering about,
visiting her son the night before, spending the battle in his tent, and
praying for Stanley to intervene, which he did, [wrong Stanley of
course,] in time for her to turn up and see her son crowned on the
battlefield. Oh and Richard was only pretending to love Elizabeth of
York to fool the opposition. No Hastings, Lovell, Ratcliffe, Catesby.....
So that's all good now then. The glorious Tudors begins. Good old
Margaret Beaufort! Triumphant and vindicated.
Invisible imaginary friends win! No treachery or betrayal, no humans
involved really.
Hogwash, the whole thing!
Disgusted
Paul
p.s. anyone else notice the "best attended coronation in history" last
week had around a dozen people there, and took place in a July so cold
the breath clouded as it left everyone's body? Amazing what you can do
when you make it up. Now I imagine people will also think she made up
the eclipse at Anne's death, which did happen! I wish I could sue PG for
libel, slander, whatever, on Richard and Anne's behalf. But you can't
slander the dead can you?

--
Richard Liveth Yet!

Accepting all the many and varied criticisms about the production, it could be that as a result of international syndication of the series, an alternative and very credible narrative regarding R3 is presented to a mass audience,as opposed to the Bard's Infamous Play.

In the year, or so, that he is due to be re-interred (depending on the recent legal decisions) am I alone in thinkig this could be a good thing?


--- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:
>
> I must thank Philippa Gregory for ending centuries of speculation! We
> now know that Edward of Middleham is buried in Westminster Abbey, that
> Richard, son of Edward IV was in England with his mother at the time of
> Bosworth, which was fought in the only snowstorm in British history to
> have happened in August. There, Margaret Beaufort was wandering about,
> visiting her son the night before, spending the battle in his tent, and
> praying for Stanley to intervene, which he did, [wrong Stanley of
> course,] in time for her to turn up and see her son crowned on the
> battlefield. Oh and Richard was only pretending to love Elizabeth of
> York to fool the opposition. No Hastings, Lovell, Ratcliffe, Catesby.....
> So that's all good now then. The glorious Tudors begins. Good old
> Margaret Beaufort! Triumphant and vindicated.
> Invisible imaginary friends win! No treachery or betrayal, no humans
> involved really.
> Hogwash, the whole thing!
> Disgusted
> Paul
> p.s. anyone else notice the "best attended coronation in history" last
> week had around a dozen people there, and took place in a July so cold
> the breath clouded as it left everyone's body? Amazing what you can do
> when you make it up. Now I imagine people will also think she made up
> the eclipse at Anne's death, which did happen! I wish I could sue PG for
> libel, slander, whatever, on Richard and Anne's behalf. But you can't
> slander the dead can you?
>
>
>
> --
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>

Well, wasn't he handsome and brave (in the WQ I mean)?
Marie

--- In , Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...> wrote:
>
> And now someone else is saying that as Lancaster and York are in their graves, can we have a second series about the White Princess, please, to reveal Henry VII's buttocks (not a pleasant thought)? A bad day in a bad week! I shall take me to a nunnery :) H.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...>
> To: "" <>
> Sent: Monday, 19 August 2013, 12:38
> Subject: Re: PG thank you
>
>
>  
>
> I must send the person who wrote that review a dictionary so they can look up the definition of "historian"
>  
> And who the hell "forced" her to change anything?
>
> Liz
>
> From: Hilary Jones <mailto:hjnatdat%40yahoo.com>
> To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, 19 August 2013, 9:21
> Subject: Re: PG thank you
>
>  
> But the Telegraph today has given it four stars and says it's sad that the splendid historian Gregory was forced to change facts a bit! Off to the fridge for the first time in months.  :)
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Trevor Bale <mailto:paul.bale%40sky.com>
> To: RichardIIISociety forum <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, 19 August 2013, 8:42
> Subject: PG thank you
>
>  
>
> I must thank Philippa Gregory for ending centuries of speculation! We
> now know that Edward of Middleham is buried in Westminster Abbey, that
> Richard, son of Edward IV was in England with his mother at the time of
> Bosworth, which was fought in the only snowstorm in British history to
> have happened in August. There, Margaret Beaufort was wandering about,
> visiting her son the night before, spending the battle in his tent, and
> praying for Stanley to intervene, which he did, [wrong Stanley of
> course,] in time for her to turn up and see her son crowned on the
> battlefield. Oh and Richard was only pretending to love Elizabeth of
> York to fool the opposition. No Hastings, Lovell, Ratcliffe, Catesby.....
> So that's all good now then. The glorious Tudors begins. Good old
> Margaret Beaufort! Triumphant and vindicated.
> Invisible imaginary friends win! No treachery or betrayal, no humans
> involved really.
> Hogwash, the whole thing!
> Disgusted
> Paul
> p.s. anyone else notice the "best attended coronation in history" last
> week had around a dozen people there, and took place in a July so cold
> the breath clouded as it left everyone's body? Amazing what you can do
> when you make it up. Now I imagine people will also think she made up
> the eclipse at Anne's death, which did happen! I wish I could sue PG for
> libel, slander, whatever, on Richard and Anne's behalf. But you can't
> slander the dead can you?
>
> --
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

durotrige48,

No you are not alone. I think one of the redeeming features of the WQ is that it presented Richard as a more sympathetic figure. I can forgive a lot of the silly production problems and historical inaccuracies just for that.

hli4

--- In , "durotrige48" <kcasenior@...> wrote:
>
> Accepting all the many and varied criticisms about the production, it could be that as a result of international syndication of the series, an alternative and very credible narrative regarding R3 is presented to a mass audience,as opposed to the Bard's Infamous Play.
>
> In the year, or so, that he is due to be re-interred (depending on the recent legal decisions) am I alone in thinkig this could be a good thing?
>
>

Oh yes, as was Margaret who is being hailed as the true heroine by the critics for being brave enough to wonder round the battlefield :) 



________________________________
From: mariewalsh2003 <[email protected]>
To:
Sent: Monday, 19 August 2013, 20:41
Subject: Re: PG thank you

 

Well, wasn't he handsome and brave (in the WQ I mean)?
Marie

--- In , Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...> wrote:
>
> And now someone else is saying that as Lancaster and York are in their graves, can we have a second series about the White Princess, please, to reveal Henry VII's buttocks (not a pleasant thought)? A bad day in a bad week! I shall take me to a nunnery :) H.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...>
> To: "" <>
> Sent: Monday, 19 August 2013, 12:38
> Subject: Re: PG thank you
>
>
>  
>
> I must send the person who wrote that review a dictionary so they can look up the definition of "historian"
>  
> And who the hell "forced" her to change anything?
>
> Liz
>
> From: Hilary Jones <mailto:hjnatdat%40yahoo.com>
> To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com" <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, 19 August 2013, 9:21
> Subject: Re: PG thank you
>
>  
> But the Telegraph today has given it four stars and says it's sad that the splendid historian Gregory was forced to change facts a bit! Off to the fridge for the first time in months.  :)
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Trevor Bale <mailto:paul.bale%40sky.com>
> To: RichardIIISociety forum <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, 19 August 2013, 8:42
> Subject: PG thank you
>
>  
>
> I must thank Philippa Gregory for ending centuries of speculation! We
> now know that Edward of Middleham is buried in Westminster Abbey, that
> Richard, son of Edward IV was in England with his mother at the time of
> Bosworth, which was fought in the only snowstorm in British history to
> have happened in August. There, Margaret Beaufort was wandering about,
> visiting her son the night before, spending the battle in his tent, and
> praying for Stanley to intervene, which he did, [wrong Stanley of
> course,] in time for her to turn up and see her son crowned on the
> battlefield. Oh and Richard was only pretending to love Elizabeth of
> York to fool the opposition. No Hastings, Lovell, Ratcliffe, Catesby.....
> So that's all good now then. The glorious Tudors begins. Good old
> Margaret Beaufort! Triumphant and vindicated.
> Invisible imaginary friends win! No treachery or betrayal, no humans
> involved really.
> Hogwash, the whole thing!
> Disgusted
> Paul
> p.s. anyone else notice the "best attended coronation in history" last
> week had around a dozen people there, and took place in a July so cold
> the breath clouded as it left everyone's body? Amazing what you can do
> when you make it up. Now I imagine people will also think she made up
> the eclipse at Anne's death, which did happen! I wish I could sue PG for
> libel, slander, whatever, on Richard and Anne's behalf. But you can't
> slander the dead can you?
>
> --
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>