Titulus Regius revisited

Hi Group - Most of you will already be familiar with Richard's Titulus
Regius. I found the few online versions not wholly satisfactory, so I
went over the original text and have put it up online, along with a
'modern spelling' version (which is exactly that, except for a very few
words that have fallen out of common usage.
Of perhaps more novelty to Ricardians is Richard's Chapter 15 stripping
Elizabeth Woodville of her lands and estates which I've appended to the
text. Also, I've transcribed Henry VII's own Titulus Regius (which is
rather briefer than his predecessor's) along with the annulment of
Chapter 15; the restitution of Henry VI and other Lancastrians; and the
famous suppression of Richard's Titulus Regius.
It's got a home here: www.partyparcel.co.uk
<http://www.partyparcel.co.uk> - I'll make sure any links forward once
I get sorted with a proper web address.

Excellent, Alistair. Thank you so much for the hard work and for sharing. Sandra =^..^=

From: Alistair
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 12:40 PM
To:
Subject: Titulus Regius revisited


Hi Group - Most of you will already be familiar with Richard's Titulus
Regius. I found the few online versions not wholly satisfactory, so I
went over the original text and have put it up online, along with a
'modern spelling' version (which is exactly that, except for a very few
words that have fallen out of common usage.
Of perhaps more novelty to Ricardians is Richard's Chapter 15 stripping
Elizabeth Woodville of her lands and estates which I've appended to the
text. Also, I've transcribed Henry VII's own Titulus Regius (which is
rather briefer than his predecessor's) along with the annulment of
Chapter 15; the restitution of Henry VI and other Lancastrians; and the
famous suppression of Richard's Titulus Regius.
It's got a home here: www.partyparcel.co.uk
<http://www.partyparcel.co.uk> - I'll make sure any links forward once
I get sorted with a proper web address.

Brilliant - may I link to this from the American Branch website...?
Cheers
Lisa


On 29 August 2013 08:40, Alistair <alistair.potts@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hi Group - Most of you will already be familiar with Richard's Titulus
> Regius. I found the few online versions not wholly satisfactory, so I
> went over the original text and have put it up online, along with a
> 'modern spelling' version (which is exactly that, except for a very few
> words that have fallen out of common usage.
> Of perhaps more novelty to Ricardians is Richard's Chapter 15 stripping
> Elizabeth Woodville of her lands and estates which I've appended to the
> text. Also, I've transcribed Henry VII's own Titulus Regius (which is
> rather briefer than his predecessor's) along with the annulment of
> Chapter 15; the restitution of Henry VI and other Lancastrians; and the
> famous suppression of Richard's Titulus Regius.
> It's got a home here: www.partyparcel.co.uk
> <http://www.partyparcel.co.uk> - I'll make sure any links forward once
> I get sorted with a proper web address.
>
>
>
>
>



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Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329

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Many thanks Alistair! H.



________________________________
From: Alistair <alistair.potts@...>
To:
Sent: Thursday, 29 August 2013, 12:40
Subject: Titulus Regius revisited


 

Hi Group - Most of you will already be familiar with Richard's Titulus
Regius. I found the few online versions not wholly satisfactory, so I
went over the original text and have put it up online, along with a
'modern spelling' version (which is exactly that, except for a very few
words that have fallen out of common usage.
Of perhaps more novelty to Ricardians is Richard's Chapter 15 stripping
Elizabeth Woodville of her lands and estates which I've appended to the
text. Also, I've transcribed Henry VII's own Titulus Regius (which is
rather briefer than his predecessor's) along with the annulment of
Chapter 15; the restitution of Henry VI and other Lancastrians; and the
famous suppression of Richard's Titulus Regius.
It's got a home here: www.partyparcel.co.uk
<http://www.partyparcel.co.uk/> - I'll make sure any links forward once
I get sorted with a proper web address.

Yes of course, you're very welcome to.

One thing I noticed when transcribing Richard's Titulus Regius was this interesting reference (to Richard):

"after greate cloudes, troubles, stormes and tempestes, the Son of Justice and of Grace may shyne uppon us, to the comforte and gladnesse of all true Englishmen."

It is, of course, the same son/sun word-play Shakespeare uses in his famous monologue; the Sun in Splendour was as much Richard's badge as Edward's.



--- In , "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" <lisa.holtjones@...> wrote:
>
> Brilliant - may I link to this from the American Branch website...?
> Cheers
> Lisa
>

many thanks!


On 29 August 2013 11:10, Alistair <alistair.potts@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Yes of course, you're very welcome to.
>
> One thing I noticed when transcribing Richard's Titulus Regius was this
> interesting reference (to Richard):
>
> "after greate cloudes, troubles, stormes and tempestes, the Son of Justice
> and of Grace may shyne uppon us, to the comforte and gladnesse of all true
> Englishmen."
>
> It is, of course, the same son/sun word-play Shakespeare uses in his
> famous monologue; the Sun in Splendour was as much Richard's badge as
> Edward's.
>
> --- In , "Lisa @ The Antiques
> Boutique" <lisa.holtjones@...> wrote:
> >
> > Brilliant - may I link to this from the American Branch website...?
> > Cheers
> > Lisa
> >
>
>
>



--
Lisa
The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329

www.Antiques-Boutique.com <http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
Like us on *www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique*
View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
<https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.398988066799604.100100.108554399176307&type=1&l=cd560aff9f>

"Alistair" wrote:
>
> Hi Group - Most of you will already be familiar with Richard's Titulus Regius. I found the few online versions not wholly satisfactory, so I went over the original text and have put it up online, along with a 'modern spelling' version (which is exactly that, except for a very few words that have fallen out of common usage.
> Of perhaps more novelty to Ricardians is Richard's Chapter 15 stripping Elizabeth Woodville of her lands and estates which I've appended to the text. Also, I've transcribed Henry VII's own Titulus Regius (which is rather briefer than his predecessor's) along with the annulment of Chapter 15; the restitution of Henry VI and other Lancastrians; and the famous suppression of Richard's Titulus Regius.
> It's got a home here: www.partyparcel.co.uk
> <http://www.partyparcel.co.uk> - I'll make sure any links forward once I get sorted with a proper web address.

Carol responds:

Thank you, Alistair. Can you provide a bit of background on Chapter XV or put it in context (what is it and what is the date)?

Also, didn't Richard restore EW's property before she came out of sanctuary? I seem to recall an act of his Parliament to that effect (an effort to convince her to come out of sanctuary, which she did more than a month later after his sworn oath to treat her daughters well and find suitable husbands for them). Can someone with access to the Parliament Rolls quote that provision? If it's applicable, Alistair, you may want to add it to your page.

By the way, I've found a wonderful article on Richard's Parliament refuting allegations that it was neither novel or enlightened, but I'll post the link in a new thread for fear that it will get lost in this one.

I don't understand the last line of your post. Do you mean that the links to the modern wording, annulment, and about sections don't work yet but you'll provide us with links when they do? (BTW, "annulment" has only one "l." You might want to correct that small error.

Meanwhile, I've found this link to an explanation of Titulus Regius quite useful: http://home.cogeco.ca/~richardiii/Titulus%20Regius.htm It interrupts the text of TR with paragraphs of analysis, but I personally don't find that tactic objectionable. Is there a problem with the text on that site?

Carol

Thanks for that Alistair.  Think we should all print off, attach to wall, and read every so often, in order we may be reminded of the fact that Richard was actually asked to take the throne.  Thinking of having one framed; in order visitors, and relatives (who might actually be able to grasp the more understandable wording) will now be able to read for themselves, the reasons as to why Richard became King.  This may hopefully, stop them repeating the same old story about the 'wicked uncle' etc etc, every time I mention my love for medieval history, Richard and, my 'loyalty' to him.  This might especially apply to 'him indoors' who, although is most accommodating when we visit my 'Ricardian' places of interest, and, who has long suffered my every increasing library of history/Ricardian literature, might just be persuaded that I do have a 'reasonable' case for my undying fascination with this man, his life and times, and why I appeared to behave like
a madwoman, when his remains were located and identified!!
 
Kind regards
 
Alison

________________________________
From: Alistair <alistair.potts@...>
To:
Sent: Thursday, 29 August 2013, 12:40
Subject: Titulus Regius revisited

 

Hi Group - Most of you will already be familiar with Richard's Titulus
Regius. I found the few online versions not wholly satisfactory, so I
went over the original text and have put it up online, along with a
'modern spelling' version (which is exactly that, except for a very few
words that have fallen out of common usage.
Of perhaps more novelty to Ricardians is Richard's Chapter 15 stripping
Elizabeth Woodville of her lands and estates which I've appended to the
text. Also, I've transcribed Henry VII's own Titulus Regius (which is
rather briefer than his predecessor's) along with the annulment of
Chapter 15; the restitution of Henry VI and other Lancastrians; and the
famous suppression of Richard's Titulus Regius.
It's got a home here: www.partyparcel.co.uk
<http://www.partyparcel.co.uk/> - I'll make sure any links forward once
I get sorted with a proper web address.

Just want to add to the chorus of thanks. Thanks!

A J


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Alistair <alistair.potts@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Yes of course, you're very welcome to.
>
> One thing I noticed when transcribing Richard's Titulus Regius was this
> interesting reference (to Richard):
>
> "after greate cloudes, troubles, stormes and tempestes, the Son of Justice
> and of Grace may shyne uppon us, to the comforte and gladnesse of all true
> Englishmen."
>
> It is, of course, the same son/sun word-play Shakespeare uses in his
> famous monologue; the Sun in Splendour was as much Richard's badge as
> Edward's.
>
> --- In , "Lisa @ The Antiques
> Boutique" <lisa.holtjones@...> wrote:
> >
> > Brilliant - may I link to this from the American Branch website...?
> > Cheers
> > Lisa
> >
>
>
>

Hi Carol - It's a bit complicated with parliamentary bills, but essentially they are divided into Private and Public bills (they still are). They are not recorded together, and the principal Public acts of Richard's parliament are recorded in the Parliamentary Rolls (Rotuli Parliamentorum); however there are also 15 statutes passed during that parliament through private petition of the commons. They were immediately printed (by Caxton) and a copy is in the Middle Temple library. Most of these public statutes deal with either attainders or restitutions of foes and friends. Of the private bills, most are related to trade, as well as two statutes amending long-standing practise about bail and jury-service. The very last petition is Chapter XV which I've recorded, and is unusual in its brevity and tone: it feels like it was hurriedly added and approved at the end of the Parliament. There's no reference in Richard's Parliament to a restoration of EW's property, I'm afraid; and even if he'd had a change of heart he couldn't have done so without reconvening Parliament which of course never happened. What I meant about the URL is that it works, and will continue to work, but I will try to find a more suitable web address in future. So linking's no problem. All the links on the site work. Thanks for pointing out the typo, which I've fixed. I spent so long trying to ensure there were no errors in the transcription, and then manage one in my own! That's what comes of having to junk everything you know about spelling. --- In , <justcarol67@...> wrote: "Alistair" wrote:
>
> Hi Group - Most of you will already be familiar with Richard's Titulus Regius. I found the few online versions not wholly satisfactory, so I went over the original text and have put it up online, along with a 'modern spelling' version (which is exactly that, except for a very few words that have fallen out of common usage.
> Of perhaps more novelty to Ricardians is Richard's Chapter 15 stripping Elizabeth Woodville of her lands and estates which I've appended to the text. Also, I've transcribed Henry VII's own Titulus Regius (which is rather briefer than his predecessor's) along with the annulment of Chapter 15; the restitution of Henry VI and other Lancastrians; and the famous suppression of Richard's Titulus Regius.
> It's got a home here: www.partyparcel.co.uk
> < http://www.partyparcel.co.uk > - I'll make sure any links forward once I get sorted with a proper web address.

Carol responds:

Thank you, Alistair. Can you provide a bit of background on Chapter XV or put it in context (what is it and what is the date)?

Also, didn't Richard restore EW's property before she came out of sanctuary? I seem to recall an act of his Parliament to that effect (an effort to convince her to come out of sanctuary, which she did more than a month later after his sworn oath to treat her daughters well and find suitable husbands for them). Can someone with access to the Parliament Rolls quote that provision? If it's applicable, Alistair, you may want to add it to your page.

By the way, I've found a wonderful article on Richard's Parliament refuting allegations that it was neither novel or enlightened, but I'll post the link in a new thread for fear that it will get lost in this one.

I don't understand the last line of your post. Do you mean that the links to the modern wording, annulment, and about sections don't work yet but you'll provide us with links when they do? (BTW, "annulment" has only one "l." You might want to correct that small error.

Meanwhile, I've found this link to an explanation of Titulus Regius quite useful: http://home.cogeco.ca/~richardiii/Titulus%20Regius.htm It interrupts the text of TR with paragraphs of analysis, but I personally don't find that tactic objectionable. Is there a problem with the text on that site?

Carol

Thank you, Alistair.  I think it would also be a useful link for the NSW website.

Dorothea




________________________________
From: Alistair <alistair.potts@...>
To:
Sent: Friday, 30 August 2013 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: Titulus Regius revisited



 
Yes of course, you're very welcome to.

One thing I noticed when transcribing Richard's Titulus Regius was this interesting reference (to Richard):

"after greate cloudes, troubles, stormes and tempestes, the Son of Justice and of Grace may shyne uppon us, to the comforte and gladnesse of all true Englishmen."

It is, of course, the same son/sun word-play Shakespeare uses in his famous monologue; the Sun in Splendour was as much Richard's badge as Edward's.

--- In , "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" <lisa.holtjones@...> wrote:
>
> Brilliant - may I link to this from the American Branch website...?
> Cheers
> Lisa
>

<alistair.potts@...> wrote: Hi Carol - It's a bit complicated with parliamentary bills, but essentially they are divided into Private and Public bills (they still are). They are not recorded together, and the principal Public acts of Richard's parliament are recorded in the Parliamentary Rolls (Rotuli Parliamentorum); however there are also 15 statutes passed during that parliament through private petition of the commons. They were immediately printed (by Caxton) and a copy is in the Middle Temple library. Most of these public statutes deal with either attainders or restitutions of foes and friends. Of the private bills, most are related to trade, as well as two statutes amending long-standing practise about bail and jury-service. The very last petition is Chapter XV which I've recorded, and is unusual in its brevity and tone: it feels like it was hurriedly added and approved at the end of the Parliament. There's no reference in Richard's Parliament to a restoration of EW's property, I'm afraid; and even if he'd had a change of heart he couldn't have done so without reconvening Parliament which of course never happened. What I meant about the URL is that it works, and will continue to work, but I will try to find a more suitable web address in future. So linking's no problem. All the links on the site work. Thanks for pointing out the typo, which I've fixed. I spent so long trying to ensure there were no errors in the transcription, and then manage one in my own! That's what comes of having to junk everything you know about spelling. <snip> Carol responds: Okay, I'll take a stab at answering in this new format (hate it, hate it, hate it!) I've found that I have to click on the ellipses to find my hidden messages! First, thanks for the explanation. The private and public bills sound backwards to me! So, are you saying that EW came out of sanctuary (and advised her son Dorset to come home and make peace with Richard) without having her property restored? The links on your site didn't work for me. I got 404 site not found messages for all of them. I can't see what I've written in this ghastly new format so will stop now. Carol

First, can I join in with heartfelt thanks to Alastair for his work. Even without checking the original, I noticed several obvious transcription errors in the version I cut and pasted from a couple of days back but thought it perhaps churlish to mention. There's no evidence Elizabeth herself came out of sanctuary. Richard swore to look after her daughters properly if she let them out, but there's no evidence that Elizabeth followed. The Colchester MPs at Henry VII's first parliament made a report for the town authorities back home, which we still have. I think this says that Elizabeth Woodville actually came in and petitioned for her lands back but it took a couple of days before she got a positive result. But, anyway, I'll look up the details and post so you can add it to your file, Alastair. Marie --- In , <justcarol67@...> wrote: <alistair.potts@...> wrote: Hi Carol - It's a bit complicated with parliamentary bills, but essentially they are divided into Private and Public bills (they still are). They are not recorded together, and the principal Public acts of Richard's parliament are recorded in the Parliamentary Rolls (Rotuli Parliamentorum); however there are also 15 statutes passed during that parliament through private petition of the commons. They were immediately printed (by Caxton) and a copy is in the Middle Temple library. Most of these public statutes deal with either attainders or restitutions of foes and friends. Of the private bills, most are related to trade, as well as two statutes amending long-standing practise about bail and jury-service. The very last petition is Chapter XV which I've recorded, and is unusual in its brevity and tone: it feels like it was hurriedly added and approved at the end of the Parliament. There's no reference in Richard's Parliament to a restoration of EW's property, I'm afraid; and even if he'd had a change of heart he couldn't have done so without reconvening Parliament which of course never happened. What I meant about the URL is that it works, and will continue to work, but I will try to find a more suitable web address in future. So linking's no problem. All the links on the site work. Thanks for pointing out the typo, which I've fixed. I spent so long trying to ensure there were no errors in the transcription, and then manage one in my own! That's what comes of having to junk everything you know about spelling. <snip> Carol responds: Okay, I'll take a stab at answering in this new format (hate it, hate it, hate it!) I've found that I have to click on the ellipses to find my hidden messages! First, thanks for the explanation. The private and public bills sound backwards to me! So, are you saying that EW came out of sanctuary (and advised her son Dorset to come home and make peace with Richard) without having her property restored? The links on your site didn't work for me. I got 404 site not found messages for all of them. I can't see what I've written in this ghastly new format so will stop now. Carol