Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Re: Terry Jones

Fascinating.
Add this to Michael Jones' revelations and Ann Wroe's book and we are
making real progress. Thinking about the MKJ programmes, I have a strange
vision of a crown with corks hanging from it!
Yes, humour (Terry Jones is as much of a professional comedian as Tony
Robinson) is an important weapon in putting our case across, a pike or even
a cannon in the Battle of Public Opinion.
The medieval era in England ended, in my view, during the 1520s - the
Reformation, the political role of women etc.

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From: "mariewalsh2003" <marie@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: Terry Jones


> --- In , "P.T.Bale"
> <paultrevor@b...> wrote:
> > Well there you go.
> > In 10 minutes Terry Jones does a better job for Richard's
> reputation than 2
> > hours of Baldrick (Tony Robinson) on Channel 4!
> > Good on you Terry. Thanks!
>
> At last! He also has a way of putting things across that is
> straightforward and memorable, so I feel it is likely to have a
> lasting impact on viewers.
> I've found the whole series immensely enjoyable, I haven't
> felt 'dumbed down' at all. I'm also very pleased to hear the record
> put straight on the Middle Ages - that's something else that really
> irritates me AND with the Middle Ages popularly ending with Bosworth
> makes it easier for people to believe the Tudors must have been a
> Good Thing. I heard Terry Jones'anti-Renaissance radio show too and
> had that feeling - At last! the penny drops and all falls into place
> (if you'll forgive mixed metaphor)! Why did I have such problem over
> the Renaissance and humanism at A level? Answer: because you get told
> they were about one thing when they were really doing the opposite,
> somewhat like some politicians I've experienced.
>
> Marie
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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from the desk of Paul Trevor Bale

Yes, I think it will be the way Terry presented his version that people will
remember. He did more for Richard in those few minutes than all the other
recent stuff put together, and he will be the one people remember.


> Fascinating.
> Add this to Michael Jones' revelations and Ann Wroe's book and we are
> making real progress. Thinking about the MKJ programmes, I have a strange
> vision of a crown with corks hanging from it!
> Yes, humour (Terry Jones is as much of a professional comedian as Tony
> Robinson) is an important weapon in putting our case across, a pike or even
> a cannon in the Battle of Public Opinion.
> The medieval era in England ended, in my view, during the 1520s - the
> Reformation, the political role of women etc.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mariewalsh2003" <marie@...>
> To: <>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Terry Jones
>
>
>> --- In , "P.T.Bale"
>> <paultrevor@b...> wrote:
>>> Well there you go.
>>> In 10 minutes Terry Jones does a better job for Richard's
>> reputation than 2
>>> hours of Baldrick (Tony Robinson) on Channel 4!
>>> Good on you Terry. Thanks!
>>
>> At last! He also has a way of putting things across that is
>> straightforward and memorable, so I feel it is likely to have a
>> lasting impact on viewers.
>> I've found the whole series immensely enjoyable, I haven't
>> felt 'dumbed down' at all. I'm also very pleased to hear the record
>> put straight on the Middle Ages - that's something else that really
>> irritates me AND with the Middle Ages popularly ending with Bosworth
>> makes it easier for people to believe the Tudors must have been a
>> Good Thing. I heard Terry Jones'anti-Renaissance radio show too and
>> had that feeling - At last! the penny drops and all falls into place
>> (if you'll forgive mixed metaphor)! Why did I have such problem over
>> the Renaissance and humanism at A level? Answer: because you get told
>> they were about one thing when they were really doing the opposite,
>> somewhat like some politicians I've experienced.
>>
>> Marie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

In message <BC8FB313.8CE3%paultrevor@...>, P.T.Bale
<paultrevor@...> writes
>Yes, I think it will be the way Terry presented his version that people
>will
>remember. He did more for Richard in those few minutes than all the
>other
>recent stuff put together, and he will be the one people remember.


I missed the programme!!!! grrr. I watched his others & thought them
surprisingly good & entertaining. The best way to get an idea across is
with humour - T is a very clever man!!
What did he actually say about Richard - email me off list if you like.
TIA

Jacqui

from the desk of Paul Trevor Bale


> I missed the programme!!!! grrr. I watched his others & thought them
> surprisingly good & entertaining. The best way to get an idea across is
> with humour - T is a very clever man!!
> What did he actually say about Richard - email me off list if you like.
> TIA
>
> Jacqui

Well Jacqui as most programmes get repeats these days, usually fairly soon
after the original, you may well get to see the programme. In the meantime:-

Terry basically said that the legend of Richard I as great and good is
nonsense as he was in fact a bit of a ba*ta*d caring nothing for England
excpet in what it could give him in financial terms. This view has been
somewhat blown out of the water of late, particularly by John Gillingham's
revised biography, which if nothing else is a great read, but Terry goes for
the throat of Coeur de Lion.
Of Richard 2 he again says history has been unkind and that he was not a
tyrant but in terms of the common man rather a good king who survived a
possible first deposition with his intelligence and charisma, but failed to
treat those who had deposed him with the ruthlessness they deserved, and
suffered for it when Henry Bolingbroke made his bid for the throne. Sounds a
bit familiar doesn't it? Not ruthless enough? Terry also mentions how
certain documents praising the King were changed after his deposition, much
like our Richard.
As to our Richard he compared the Bard version wit the truth and found it to
be the fiction most sensible people realised it was years ago! He also
discussed the special relationship Richard had with the north and the city
of York, and his terrific record as a law reformer. His style is so
memorable that I hope some out in tele land will long remember what he has
said.

In message <BC905D08.8D11%paultrevor@...>, P.T.Bale
<paultrevor@...> writes
>Well Jacqui as most programmes get repeats these days, usually fairly
>soon
>after the original, you may well get to see the programme.


Ill have to keep my fingers crossed & eyes peeled LOL I couldnt believe
Id missed it! Thanks for the summary Paul, - definitely a well done for
Terry:)

Jacqui

--- In , jacqui <jacqui@r...>
wrote:
> In message <BC905D08.8D11%paultrevor@b...>, P.T.Bale
> <paultrevor@b...> writes
> >Well Jacqui as most programmes get repeats these days, usually
fairly
> >soon
> >after the original, you may well get to see the programme.
>
>
> Ill have to keep my fingers crossed & eyes peeled LOL I couldnt
believe
> Id missed it! Thanks for the summary Paul, - definitely a well done
for
> Terry:)
>
> Jacqui

We have gotten Terry Jones's programs on ancient history here in the
US, and I'm glad I have some to look forward to in that are set in
our favorite era.

Katy

from the desk of Paul Trevor Bale

> We have gotten Terry Jones's programs on ancient history here in the
> US, and I'm glad I have some to look forward to in that are set in
> our favorite era.

Katy
I had enail from an American friend who saw these programmes weeks ago in
the US, well before the BBC series started here in the UK. I assumed they
were on the BBC World Service or PBS. Worth checking out?

--- In , "P.T.Bale"
<paultrevor@b...> wrote:
> from the desk of Paul Trevor Bale
>
> > We have gotten Terry Jones's programs on ancient history here in
the
> > US, and I'm glad I have some to look forward to in that are set in
> > our favorite era.
>
> Katy
> I had enail from an American friend who saw these programmes weeks
ago in
> the US, well before the BBC series started here in the UK. I
assumed they
> were on the BBC World Service or PBS. Worth checking out?

Thank you, Paul. I will check it out. The ones I saw were on The
History Channel or perhaps Discovery Channel and I just happenedupon
them while clicking through the channels.

Thanks for the info.

Katy

It was a great series and we videoed them for use with our students.
The first years got a lot out of them yet they are every bit as
suited to adults and everyone in between. He has also done a series
on the Crusades and one on ancient Egypt which were presented in
much the same lively and witty way. I fully intend to show the R3
section to my new lower 6th next year as an intro to follow the bit
of Shakespeare I like to throw at them. I had thought TJ's degree
was in history but it was actually in English. Anyway I entirely
agree that it was a memorable and much needed boost for Richard in
the public arena.
B

from the desk of Paul Trevor Bale

> --- In , "P.T.Bale"
> <paultrevor@b...> wrote:
>> from the desk of Paul Trevor Bale
>>
>>> We have gotten Terry Jones's programs on ancient history here in
> the
>>> US, and I'm glad I have some to look forward to in that are set in
>>> our favorite era.
>>
>> Katy
>> I had enail from an American friend who saw these programmes weeks
> ago in
>> the US, well before the BBC series started here in the UK. I
> assumed they
>> were on the BBC World Service or PBS. Worth checking out?
>
> Thank you, Paul. I will check it out. The ones I saw were on The
> History Channel or perhaps Discovery Channel and I just happenedupon
> them while clicking through the channels.
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> Katy

By the way Katy the BBC has released a DVD version of the series.
Paul