Richard's squires
Richard's squires
2004-05-02 12:52:15
I'm trying to find the names of Richard's squires at Barnet and Tewkesbury.
Two were killed at the first battle and Richard put funds aside to have
masses said in perpetuaty for their souls. Any idea of who they were? I've
checked numerous sources but can't find any names.
Thanks
Paul
Two were killed at the first battle and Richard put funds aside to have
masses said in perpetuaty for their souls. Any idea of who they were? I've
checked numerous sources but can't find any names.
Thanks
Paul
Re: Richard's squires
2004-05-02 16:50:53
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<paultrevor@b...> wrote:
> I'm trying to find the names of Richard's squires at Barnet and
Tewkesbury.
> Two were killed at the first battle and Richard put funds aside to
have
> masses said in perpetuaty for their souls. Any idea of who they
were? I've
> checked numerous sources but can't find any names.
> Thanks
> Paul
Hi Paul,
The masses thing:
This is discussed by Charles Ross in his article "'Some 'Servants and
Lovers' of Richard in his Youth", Ricardian vol iv, no 55, December
1976.
In July 1477 Richard endowed four fellowships at Queens' College,
Cambridge, the new priest-fellows being required to pray for the
various members of Richard's own family, but also for "the soules of
Thomas Par, John Milewater, Christofre Wursley, Thomas Huddleston,
John Harper and all other gentilmen and yomen servanders and lovers
of the saide duc of Gloucetr, the wiche were slayn in his service at
the batelles of Bernett, Tukysbery or at any other feldes of
jorneys. . . "
He also discusses the identitites of these men. Christofre Worsley,
esquire, was the most substantial, 3 times sheriff of Dorset &
Somerset in the 1460s, and receiving various appointments and gifts
from Edward IV. He disappears from the records after 1470.
Thomas Parr was a younger son of Sir Thomas Parr of Kendal Castle,
Westmoreland, and younger brother of Sir William Parr. Sir William
later became Knight of the Body to Edward IV but retained close links
with Richard.
Thoms Huddleston he thinks is defnitely a younger member of the
Huddlestons of Millom, Cumberland "whose senior members were to have
very close associations with Richard, first as Duke and then as King.
Indeed, Sir John Huddleston was one of Richard's feoffees for the
conveyance of property to Queens' College on this occasion".
John Milewater was a former servant of Richard Duke of York, and an
experienced estates-official in Wales & the Marches; it's possible he
was in charge of Richard's estates during his minority.
John Harper was a more junior version of the same sort of
administrator, also connected with Wales and the Marches, and may
also have been involved in administering Richard's estates.
Ross points out that it is extraordinary that Parr and Huddleston
belonged to the Neville orbit, and died fighting for Richard at a
time when the Nevilles were on the other side and Richard still had
no northern estates.
I think it is interesting that this endowment was made the very same
month as Richard administered that oath to his followers.
Hope this gives you the information you wanted.
Marie
<paultrevor@b...> wrote:
> I'm trying to find the names of Richard's squires at Barnet and
Tewkesbury.
> Two were killed at the first battle and Richard put funds aside to
have
> masses said in perpetuaty for their souls. Any idea of who they
were? I've
> checked numerous sources but can't find any names.
> Thanks
> Paul
Hi Paul,
The masses thing:
This is discussed by Charles Ross in his article "'Some 'Servants and
Lovers' of Richard in his Youth", Ricardian vol iv, no 55, December
1976.
In July 1477 Richard endowed four fellowships at Queens' College,
Cambridge, the new priest-fellows being required to pray for the
various members of Richard's own family, but also for "the soules of
Thomas Par, John Milewater, Christofre Wursley, Thomas Huddleston,
John Harper and all other gentilmen and yomen servanders and lovers
of the saide duc of Gloucetr, the wiche were slayn in his service at
the batelles of Bernett, Tukysbery or at any other feldes of
jorneys. . . "
He also discusses the identitites of these men. Christofre Worsley,
esquire, was the most substantial, 3 times sheriff of Dorset &
Somerset in the 1460s, and receiving various appointments and gifts
from Edward IV. He disappears from the records after 1470.
Thomas Parr was a younger son of Sir Thomas Parr of Kendal Castle,
Westmoreland, and younger brother of Sir William Parr. Sir William
later became Knight of the Body to Edward IV but retained close links
with Richard.
Thoms Huddleston he thinks is defnitely a younger member of the
Huddlestons of Millom, Cumberland "whose senior members were to have
very close associations with Richard, first as Duke and then as King.
Indeed, Sir John Huddleston was one of Richard's feoffees for the
conveyance of property to Queens' College on this occasion".
John Milewater was a former servant of Richard Duke of York, and an
experienced estates-official in Wales & the Marches; it's possible he
was in charge of Richard's estates during his minority.
John Harper was a more junior version of the same sort of
administrator, also connected with Wales and the Marches, and may
also have been involved in administering Richard's estates.
Ross points out that it is extraordinary that Parr and Huddleston
belonged to the Neville orbit, and died fighting for Richard at a
time when the Nevilles were on the other side and Richard still had
no northern estates.
I think it is interesting that this endowment was made the very same
month as Richard administered that oath to his followers.
Hope this gives you the information you wanted.
Marie
Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Re: Richard's squires
2004-05-03 15:25:59
Many thanks Marie for that! Much appreciated, and exactly what I was looking
for. The ring of authenticity in my script!
Paul
> --- In , "P.T.Bale"
> <paultrevor@b...> wrote:
>> I'm trying to find the names of Richard's squires at Barnet and
> Tewkesbury.
>> Two were killed at the first battle and Richard put funds aside to
> have
>> masses said in perpetuaty for their souls. Any idea of who they
> were? I've
>> checked numerous sources but can't find any names.
>> Thanks
>> Paul
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> The masses thing:
>
> This is discussed by Charles Ross in his article "'Some 'Servants and
> Lovers' of Richard in his Youth", Ricardian vol iv, no 55, December
> 1976.
> In July 1477 Richard endowed four fellowships at Queens' College,
> Cambridge, the new priest-fellows being required to pray for the
> various members of Richard's own family, but also for "the soules of
> Thomas Par, John Milewater, Christofre Wursley, Thomas Huddleston,
> John Harper and all other gentilmen and yomen servanders and lovers
> of the saide duc of Gloucetr, the wiche were slayn in his service at
> the batelles of Bernett, Tukysbery or at any other feldes of
> jorneys. . . "
> He also discusses the identitites of these men. Christofre Worsley,
> esquire, was the most substantial, 3 times sheriff of Dorset &
> Somerset in the 1460s, and receiving various appointments and gifts
> from Edward IV. He disappears from the records after 1470.
> Thomas Parr was a younger son of Sir Thomas Parr of Kendal Castle,
> Westmoreland, and younger brother of Sir William Parr. Sir William
> later became Knight of the Body to Edward IV but retained close links
> with Richard.
> Thoms Huddleston he thinks is defnitely a younger member of the
> Huddlestons of Millom, Cumberland "whose senior members were to have
> very close associations with Richard, first as Duke and then as King.
> Indeed, Sir John Huddleston was one of Richard's feoffees for the
> conveyance of property to Queens' College on this occasion".
> John Milewater was a former servant of Richard Duke of York, and an
> experienced estates-official in Wales & the Marches; it's possible he
> was in charge of Richard's estates during his minority.
> John Harper was a more junior version of the same sort of
> administrator, also connected with Wales and the Marches, and may
> also have been involved in administering Richard's estates.
>
> Ross points out that it is extraordinary that Parr and Huddleston
> belonged to the Neville orbit, and died fighting for Richard at a
> time when the Nevilles were on the other side and Richard still had
> no northern estates.
>
> I think it is interesting that this endowment was made the very same
> month as Richard administered that oath to his followers.
>
> Hope this gives you the information you wanted.
>
> Marie
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
for. The ring of authenticity in my script!
Paul
> --- In , "P.T.Bale"
> <paultrevor@b...> wrote:
>> I'm trying to find the names of Richard's squires at Barnet and
> Tewkesbury.
>> Two were killed at the first battle and Richard put funds aside to
> have
>> masses said in perpetuaty for their souls. Any idea of who they
> were? I've
>> checked numerous sources but can't find any names.
>> Thanks
>> Paul
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> The masses thing:
>
> This is discussed by Charles Ross in his article "'Some 'Servants and
> Lovers' of Richard in his Youth", Ricardian vol iv, no 55, December
> 1976.
> In July 1477 Richard endowed four fellowships at Queens' College,
> Cambridge, the new priest-fellows being required to pray for the
> various members of Richard's own family, but also for "the soules of
> Thomas Par, John Milewater, Christofre Wursley, Thomas Huddleston,
> John Harper and all other gentilmen and yomen servanders and lovers
> of the saide duc of Gloucetr, the wiche were slayn in his service at
> the batelles of Bernett, Tukysbery or at any other feldes of
> jorneys. . . "
> He also discusses the identitites of these men. Christofre Worsley,
> esquire, was the most substantial, 3 times sheriff of Dorset &
> Somerset in the 1460s, and receiving various appointments and gifts
> from Edward IV. He disappears from the records after 1470.
> Thomas Parr was a younger son of Sir Thomas Parr of Kendal Castle,
> Westmoreland, and younger brother of Sir William Parr. Sir William
> later became Knight of the Body to Edward IV but retained close links
> with Richard.
> Thoms Huddleston he thinks is defnitely a younger member of the
> Huddlestons of Millom, Cumberland "whose senior members were to have
> very close associations with Richard, first as Duke and then as King.
> Indeed, Sir John Huddleston was one of Richard's feoffees for the
> conveyance of property to Queens' College on this occasion".
> John Milewater was a former servant of Richard Duke of York, and an
> experienced estates-official in Wales & the Marches; it's possible he
> was in charge of Richard's estates during his minority.
> John Harper was a more junior version of the same sort of
> administrator, also connected with Wales and the Marches, and may
> also have been involved in administering Richard's estates.
>
> Ross points out that it is extraordinary that Parr and Huddleston
> belonged to the Neville orbit, and died fighting for Richard at a
> time when the Nevilles were on the other side and Richard still had
> no northern estates.
>
> I think it is interesting that this endowment was made the very same
> month as Richard administered that oath to his followers.
>
> Hope this gives you the information you wanted.
>
> Marie
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
[Richard III Society Forum] Re: Richard's squires
2004-05-03 16:51:27
--- In , "P.T.Bale"
<paultrevor@b...> wrote:
> Many thanks Marie for that! Much appreciated, and exactly what I
was looking
> for. The ring of authenticity in my script!
> Paul
I'm intrigued. I think you mentioned your script before (film
script?). How far advanced is it? Or are you just editing and
adjusting now?
Marie
<paultrevor@b...> wrote:
> Many thanks Marie for that! Much appreciated, and exactly what I
was looking
> for. The ring of authenticity in my script!
> Paul
I'm intrigued. I think you mentioned your script before (film
script?). How far advanced is it? Or are you just editing and
adjusting now?
Marie