My upcoming trip to England

My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-12 01:18:46
justcarol67
As some of you know, I'll be in England for a self-guided Ricardian tour this summer (a birthday present from my very special sister). So far, my list of places to visit includes Fotheringhay, Ludlow, Middleham, York, Westminster (abbey or cathedral?), Crosby Place/Hall if we can get in (!), Windsor Castle, and Leicester. I'm not sure about Baynard's Castle, the Tower of London (I might have trouble tolerating the Beefeaters' spiel), and Nottingham. I don't suppose we need to see the Houses of Parliament except from the outside, which I've already done. I could add Richard's chapel for the dead of Towton if it's worth seeing.

A couple of questions that I should know the answers to but don't: Was Richard crowned at Westminster Abbey or Westminster Cathedral? And was Windsor Castle his primary residence as king (when he wasn't on progress or waiting for the Tydder)?

Have I forgotten any place important? Is anything on my list not worth seeing? Can we see all this in two weeks? If anyone wants to contact me offlist, please mention in your post that you're doing so as I seldom check my Yahoo e-mail.

The list is in roughly chronological order (birth to death) but the order would, of course, need to be changed to make sense geographically. I'm not sure whether to rent a car (and let my left-right-challenged sister drive!) or what for the places that can't be reached by train.

Which reminds me. My grandson may want to see the Richard III locomotive. Anyone know where it is? We also want to see Hadrian's Wall, not that it has anything to do with Richard.

We do have a travel agent, but she hasn't seen my full list of places to see yet.

Thanks in advance.

Carol

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-12 01:29:02
justcarol67
Carol earlier:

As some of you know, I'll be in England for a self-guided Ricardian tour this summer (a birthday present from my very special sister). So far, my list of places to visit includes Fotheringhay, Ludlow, Middleham, York, Westminster (abbey or cathedral?), Crosby Place/Hall if we can get in (!), Windsor Castle, and Leicester. I'm not sure about Baynard's Castle, the Tower of London (I might have trouble tolerating the Beefeaters' spiel), and Nottingham. I don't suppose we need to see the Houses of Parliament except from the outside, which I've already done. I could add Richard's chapel for the dead of Towton if it's worth seeing. <snip>"

Carol again:

I forgot to mention Barnet and Tewkesbury, both of which are on my "I'm not sure" list. C.

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-12 04:57:31
Lolette Cook
Carol,How wonderful for you! My husband and I have been planning a trip to England for two years, but life keeps getting in the way. This year is out! We have one son graduating, one getting married and our daughter is having a baby! Anyway your trip sounds perfect and I do envy you. Have a great time.Vickie
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On Jan 11, 2014, at 7:18 PM, <justcarol67@...> wrote:

As some of you know, I'll be in England for a self-guided Ricardian tour this summer (a birthday present from my very special sister). So far, my list of places to visit includes Fotheringhay, Ludlow, Middleham, York, Westminster (abbey or cathedral?), Crosby Place/Hall if we can get in (!), Windsor Castle, and Leicester. I'm not sure about Baynard's Castle, the Tower of London (I might have trouble tolerating the Beefeaters' spiel), and Nottingham. I don't suppose we need to see the Houses of Parliament except from the outside, which I've already done. I could add Richard's chapel for the dead of Towton if it's worth seeing.

A couple of questions that I should know the answers to but don't: Was Richard crowned at Westminster Abbey or Westminster Cathedral? And was Windsor Castle his primary residence as king (when he wasn't on progress or waiting for the Tydder)?

Have I forgotten any place important? Is anything on my list not worth seeing? Can we see all this in two weeks? If anyone wants to contact me offlist, please mention in your post that you're doing so as I seldom check my Yahoo e-mail.

The list is in roughly chronological order (birth to death) but the order would, of course, need to be changed to make sense geographically. I'm not sure whether to rent a car (and let my left-right-challenged sister drive!) or what for the places that can't be reached by train.

Which reminds me. My grandson may want to see the Richard III locomotive. Anyone know where it is? We also want to see Hadrian's Wall, not that it has anything to do with Richard.

We do have a travel agent, but she hasn't seen my full list of places to see yet.

Thanks in advance.

Carol

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-12 05:56:55
Sharon Feely
ÿ Carol, You will need a car for Fotheringhay and Middleham (and Towton, although I don't think there's anything to see - correct me if I'm wrong!). All the other places will be fine by train. What about Sheriff Hutton? You will need a car for that too. The castle can be viewed froma public path all the way round the perimeter and the church is worth a visit. There's a small exhibition in there on Richard as they are still insisting the effigy is of his son. Think you may be struggling to include Hadrian's Wall if you plan to do all this in 2 weeks! You will also need a car for the Wall - the bus only runs in the summer. The best bit to see is about halfway along, between Hexham and Haltwhistle, especially in the area around Twice Brewed - that's where it sweeps and swoops up the hills and is the parts featured in all the tourist photos (and the bit known as Sycamore Gap where the lone sycamore tree grows). If you do manage to incorporate the Wall, what about Barnard Castle on your way up there? The castle is worth a look and has Richard's boar symbol above a window, as does the parish church - that has a boar on the outside, right hand side of the chancel. One of the head stops of the chancel arch is also reported to be of Richard. Didn't notice it myself though! Don't know if you want to bother with Nottingham - the castle has been rebuilt since Richard's time following a fire in the 18th or 19th century (can't remember!). There's a few old houses in the city, but generally you'd be better off spending that time at York. The Richard III loco is usually at the Great Central Railway (preserved line) which is at Loughborough (just north of Leicester). But check with them first before you make a journey on purpose as they often loan locos out to other preserved lines. Their website is www.gcrailway.co.uk. Hope this helps a bit! And have a great holiday! When are you coming? The tour de France passes Middleham in July - so if it's then, it WILL be very busy! Just to be warned - it's a big event and everywhere has been booked up for ages! Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: justcarol67@... To: Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 1:18 AM Subject: My upcoming trip to England

As some of you know, I'll be in England for a self-guided Ricardian tour this summer (a birthday present from my very special sister). So far, my list of places to visit includes Fotheringhay, Ludlow, Middleham, York, Westminster (abbey or cathedral?), Crosby Place/Hall if we can get in (!), Windsor Castle, and Leicester. I'm not sure about Baynard's Castle, the Tower of London (I might have trouble tolerating the Beefeaters' spiel), and Nottingham. I don't suppose we need to see the Houses of Parliament except from the outside, which I've already done. I could add Richard's chapel for the dead of Towton if it's worth seeing.

A couple of questions that I should know the answers to but don't: Was Richard crowned at Westminster Abbey or Westminster Cathedral? And was Windsor Castle his primary residence as king (when he wasn't on progress or waiting for the Tydder)?

Have I forgotten any place important? Is anything on my li st not worth seeing? Can we see all this in two weeks? If anyone wants to contact me offlist, please mention in your post that you're doing so as I seldom check my Yahoo e-mail.

The list is in roughly chronological order (birth to death) but the order would, of course, need to be changed to make sense geographically. I'm not sure whether to rent a car (and let my left-right-challenged sister drive!) or what for the places that can't be reached by train.

Which reminds me. My grandson may want to see the Richard III locomotive. Anyone know where it is? We also want to see Hadrian's Wall, not that it has anything to do with Richard.

We do have a travel agent, but she hasn't seen my full list of places to see yet.

Thanks in advance.

Carol

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-12 05:58:56
Anne/Profilesplus
The Tower is worth seeing. You can see where the Princes were housed.
Anne

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On Jan 11, 2014, at 10:57 PM, Lolette Cook <lolettecook@...> wrote:

Carol,How wonderful for you! My husband and I have been planning a trip to England for two years, but life keeps getting in the way. This year is out! We have one son graduating, one getting married and our daughter is having a baby! Anyway your trip sounds perfect and I do envy you. Have a great time.Vickie
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On Jan 11, 2014, at 7:18 PM, <justcarol67@...> wrote:

As some of you know, I'll be in England for a self-guided Ricardian tour this summer (a birthday present from my very special sister). So far, my list of places to visit includes Fotheringhay, Ludlow, Middleham, York, Westminster (abbey or cathedral?), Crosby Place/Hall if we can get in (!), Windsor Castle, and Leicester. I'm not sure about Baynard's Castle, the Tower of London (I might have trouble tolerating the Beefeaters' spiel), and Nottingham. I don't suppose we need to see the Houses of Parliament except from the outside, which I've already done. I could add Richard's chapel for the dead of Towton if it's worth seeing.

A couple of questions that I should know the answers to but don't: Was Richard crowned at Westminster Abbey or Westminster Cathedral? And was Windsor Castle his primary residence as king (when he wasn't on progress or waiting for the Tydder)?

Have I forgotten any place important? Is anything on my list not worth seeing? Can we see all this in two weeks? If anyone wants to contact me offlist, please mention in your post that you're doing so as I seldom check my Yahoo e-mail.

The list is in roughly chronological order (birth to death) but the order would, of course, need to be changed to make sense geographically. I'm not sure whether to rent a car (and let my left-right-challenged sister drive!) or what for the places that can't be reached by train.

Which reminds me. My grandson may want to see the Richard III locomotive. Anyone know where it is? We also want to see Hadrian's Wall, not that it has anything to do with Richard.

We do have a travel agent, but she hasn't seen my full list of places to see yet.

Thanks in advance.

Carol

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-12 10:41:56
Christine Headley (lists)

Westminster Cathedral is comparatively modern and Roman Catholic.

The Houses of Parliament are Victorian, apart from Westminster Hall  - and it is an awful lot of security to go through just for the one space.

I don't know about Richard's primary residence, but it would not be a surprise if it were Westminster/Whitehall, which was destroyed by fire in Stuart times. The Banqueting House on modern Whitehall is the only building left.

Tewkesbury generally has a medieval event in early July.

Best wishes
Christine

On 12/01/2014 01:18, justcarol67@... wrote:
 

As some of you know, I'll be in England for a self-guided Ricardian tour this summer (a birthday present from my very special sister). So far, my list of places to visit includes Fotheringhay, Ludlow, Middleham, York, Westminster (abbey or cathedral?), Crosby Place/Hall if we can get in (!), Windsor Castle, and Leicester. I'm not sure about Baynard's Castle, the Tower of London (I might have trouble tolerating the Beefeaters' spiel), and Nottingham. I don't suppose we need to see the Houses of Parliament except from the outside, which I've already done. I could add Richard's chapel for the dead of Towton if it's worth seeing.

A couple of questions that I should know the answers to but don't: Was Richard crowned at Westminster Abbey or Westminster Cathedral? And was Windsor Castle his primary residence as king (when he wasn't on progress or waiting for the Tydder)?

Have I forgotten any place important? Is anything on my list not worth seeing? Can we see all this in two weeks? If anyone wants to contact me offlist, please mention in your post that you're doing so as I seldom check my Yahoo e-mail.

The list is in roughly chronological order (birth to death) but the order would, of course, need to be changed to make sense geographically. I'm not sure whether to rent a car (and let my left-right-challenged sister drive!) or what for the places that can't be reached by train.

Which reminds me. My grandson may want to see the Richard III locomotive. Anyone know where it is? We also want to see Hadrian's Wall, not that it has anything to do with Richard.

We do have a travel agent, but she hasn't seen my full list of places to see yet.

Thanks in advance.

Carol


Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-12 10:55:52
Jan Mulrenan
Jan here.I'd recommend Westminster Hall because so much happened there like Richard taking his seat on King's Bench & the coronation banquet, never mind events of other reigns. Baynard's Castle has disappeared & a hideous concrete office block sits on top, but the College of Arms is just over the road & although it's a much later building it is worth a look from outside as you head for the Tower, assuming you are walking.I have not heard that there is anything to see of the Towton chapel. I have only see photos of bits of stone window frame in an archaeological magazine. Carlisle Castle was a place I enjoyed but you will need more than 2 weeks to get around these place & remember them. I wish you luck with the weather.

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On 12 Jan 2014, at 10:42, "Christine Headley (lists)" <lists@...> wrote:


Westminster Cathedral is comparatively modern and Roman Catholic.

The Houses of Parliament are Victorian, apart from Westminster Hall - and it is an awful lot of security to go through just for the one space.

I don't know about Richard's primary residence, but it would not be a surprise if it were Westminster/Whitehall, which was destroyed by fire in Stuart times. The Banqueting House on modern Whitehall is the only building left.

Tewkesbury generally has a medieval event in early July.

Best wishes
Christine

On 12/01/2014 01:18, justcarol67@... wrote:

As some of you know, I'll be in England for a self-guided Ricardian tour this summer (a birthday present from my very special sister). So far, my list of places to visit includes Fotheringhay, Ludlow, Middleham, York, Westminster (abbey or cathedral?), Crosby Place/Hall if we can get in (!), Windsor Castle, and Leicester. I'm not sure about Baynard's Castle, the Tower of London (I might have trouble tolerating the Beefeaters' spiel), and Nottingham. I don't suppose we need to see the Houses of Parliament except from the outside, which I've already done. I could add Richard's chapel for the dead of Towton if it's worth seeing.

A couple of questions that I should know the answers to but don't: Was Richard crowned at Westminster Abbey or Westminster Cathedral? And was Windsor Castle his primary residence as king (when he wasn't on progress or waiting for the Tydder)?

Have I forgotten any place important? Is anything on my list not worth seeing? Can we see all this in two weeks? If anyone wants to contact me offlist, please mention in your post that you're doing so as I seldom check my Yahoo e-mail.

The list is in roughly chronological order (birth to death) but the order would, of course, need to be changed to make sense geographically. I'm not sure whether to rent a car (and let my left-right-challenged sister drive!) or what for the places that can't be reached by train.

Which reminds me. My grandson may want to see the Richard III locomotive. Anyone know where it is? We also want to see Hadrian's Wall, not that it has anything to do with Richard.

We do have a travel agent, but she hasn't seen my full list of places to see yet.

Thanks in advance.

Carol


Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-12 15:16:25
Pamela Bain
I agree, and am very envious! But, we can live vicariously....
On Jan 11, 2014, at 10:57 PM, "Lolette Cook" <lolettecook@...> wrote:

Carol, How wonderful for you! My husband and I have been planning a trip to England for two years, but life keeps getting in the way. This year is out! We have one son graduating, one getting married and our daughter is having a baby! Anyway your trip sounds perfect and I do envy you. Have a great time. Vickie
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On Jan 11, 2014, at 7:18 PM, <justcarol67@...> wrote:

As some of you know, I'll be in England for a self-guided Ricardian tour this summer (a birthday present from my very special sister). So far, my list of places to visit includes Fotheringhay, Ludlow, Middleham, York, Westminster (abbey or cathedral?), Crosby Place/Hall if we can get in (!), Windsor Castle, and Leicester. I'm not sure about Baynard's Castle, the Tower of London (I might have trouble tolerating the Beefeaters' spiel), and Nottingham. I don't suppose we need to see the Houses of Parliament except from the outside, which I've already done. I could add Richard's chapel for the dead of Towton if it's worth seeing.

A couple of questions that I should know the answers to but don't: Was Richard crowned at Westminster Abbey or Westminster Cathedral? And was Windsor Castle his primary residence as king (when he wasn't on progress or waiting for the Tydder)?

Have I forgotten any place important? Is anything on my list not worth seeing? Can we see all this in two weeks? If anyone wants to contact me offlist, please mention in your post that you're doing so as I seldom check my Yahoo e-mail.

The list is in roughly chronological order (birth to death) but the order would, of course, need to be changed to make sense geographically. I'm not sure whether to rent a car (and let my left-right-challenged sister drive!) or what for the places that can't be reached by train.

Which reminds me. My grandson may want to see the Richard III locomotive. Anyone know where it is? We also want to see Hadrian's Wall, not that it has anything to do with Richard.

We do have a travel agent, but she hasn't seen my full list of places to see yet.

Thanks in advance.

Carol

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-12 16:39:07
Jessie Skinner

To Carol,

I asked my husband who is a steam railway enthusiast about the locomotive Richard III. He says it is actually called Edward II but The Great Central Railway have the nameplate Richard III for future use.
He thinks that the locomotive has now gone back to the Great Western Railway Society at Didcot in Oxfordshire where it was originally restored.
I personally wouldn't be surprised if it resurfaced at The Great Central Railway in the event of Richard's 're-burial in Leicester Cathedral.

Jess

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Carol,   You will need a car for Fotheringhay and Middleham (and Towton, although I don't think there's anything to see - correct me if I'm wrong!). All the other places will be fine by train. What about Sheriff Hutton? You will need a car for that too. The castle can be viewed froma  public path all the way round the perimeter and the church is worth a visit. There's a small exhibition in there on Richard as they are still insisting the effigy is of his son.   Think you may be struggling to include Hadrian's Wall if you plan to do all this in 2 weeks! You will also need a car for the Wall - the bus only runs in the summer. The best bit to see is about halfway along, between Hexham and Haltwhistle, especially in the area around Twice Brewed - that's where it sweeps and swoops up the hills and is the parts featured in all the tourist photos (and the bit known as Sycamore Gap where the lone sycamore tree grows).   If you do manage to incorporate the Wall, what about Barnard Castle on your way up there? The castle is worth a look and has Richard's boar symbol above a window, as does the parish church - that has a boar on the outside, right hand side of the chancel. One of the head stops of the chancel arch is also reported to be of Richard. Didn't notice it myself though! Don't know if you want to bother with Nottingham - the castle has been rebuilt since Richard's time following a fire in the 18th or 19th century (can't remember!). There's a few old houses in the city, but generally you'd be better off spending that time at York.   The Richard III loco is usually at the Great Central Railway (preserved line) which is at Loughborough (just north of Leicester). But check with them first before you make a journey on purpose as they often loan locos out to other preserved lines. Their website is www.gcrailway.co.uk.   Hope this helps a bit! And have a great holiday!   When are you coming? The tour de France passes Middleham in July - so if it's then, it WILL be very busy! Just to be warned - it's a big event and everywhere has been booked up for ages!   Sharon     ----- Original Message ----- From: justcarol67@... To: Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 1:18 AM Subject: My upcoming trip to England
 

As some of you know, I'll be in England for a self-guided Ricardian tour this summer (a birthday present from my very special sister). So far, my list of places to visit includes Fotheringhay, Ludlow, Middleham, York, Westminster (abbey or cathedral?), Crosby Place/Hall if we can get in (!), Windsor Castle, and Leicester. I'm not sure about Baynard's Castle, the Tower of London (I might have trouble tolerating the Beefeaters' spiel), and Nottingham. I don't suppose we need to see the Houses of Parliament except from the outside, which I've already done. I could add Richard's chapel for the dead of Towton if it's worth seeing.

A couple of questions that I should know the answers to but don't: Was Richard crowned at Westminster Abbey or Westminster Cathedral? And was Windsor Castle his primary residence as king (when he wasn't on progress or waiting for the Tydder)?

Have I forgotten any place important? Is anything on my li st not worth seeing? Can we see all this in two weeks? If anyone wants to contact me offlist, please mention in your post that you're doing so as I seldom check my Yahoo e-mail.

The list is in roughly chronological order (birth to death) but the order would, of course, need to be changed to make sense geographically. I'm not sure whether to rent a car (and let my left-right-challenged sister drive!) or what for the places that can't be reached by train.

Which reminds me. My grandson may want to see the Richard III locomotive. Anyone know where it is? We also want to see Hadrian's Wall, not that it has anything to do with Richard.

We do have a travel agent, but she hasn't seen my full list of places to see yet.

Thanks in advance.

Carol

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-12 17:33:13
ricard1an

Westminster Abbey is where Richard was crowned. Anne is buried there and there is a plaque on the wall near where they think she is buried. I think that the Society put the plaque up. Tewkesbury is worth seeing. The Abbey is where Edward of Lancaster is buried and Clarence and Isabel are supposedly buried in the crypt. However, there has been some debate lately whether or not the bones are theirs and I think that there is some research going on. I think JAH has got something to do with it because he has got a book coming out about Clarence. Tewkesbury itself is lovely. There is a problem at the moment as the people who own the land where the Battle was fought want to sell it but Tewkesbury Battlefield Society are trying to raise money to buy it. Not sure when your trip is but in July ( around 12th or 14th) there is the Battle re-enactment which takes place every year. There is a fantastic medieval fair and they re-enact the Battle on the Saturday and Sunday afternoon. On Saturday evening they re-enact the trial of Somerset and the Lancastrians, Well they did when I was there last, which is a few years ago.


Towton isn't that far from York but you will probably need a car to get there. There is a memorial stone and when I went last you could go down through some fields to the Cock Beck. Quite atmospheric but not a lot to see.


Mary



Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-12 17:33:48
Hilary Jones
Carol, you can't come to England without visiting Warwick. The castle is of course where Anne was born, Clarence and Richard Neville lived and Richard visited. The view of it from the bridge over the Avon is one of the best in England. If you don't want to pay the entry fees, then just look at it. And then go to the church of St Mary in the market square and visit Richard Beauchamp in his magnificent chantry (where Rous is also buried near his master). Look at the weepers round Beacuchamp's tomb which include Anne Beauchamp and Richard Neville. Elizabeth's Leicester is also buried there . Then, if you can stop off, go to the Saxon Mill hostelry on the road just out of town and watch the waters of the Avon flow past to Guy's Cliffe, where Rous worked in his chantry. And listen for the horses' bells on the hill above where another Warwick executed Gaveston. You can't miss Warwick! And then, for something completely different, go to any English village church, nearly all of which were there in Richard's day and just enjoy the tranquility. If you really have time, when you leave Leicester, go to Daddlington village church where those who died with Richard are buried. That's my suggestion . H.

On Sunday, 12 January 2014, 16:39, Jessie Skinner <janjovian@...> wrote:
To Carol, I asked my husband who is a steam railway enthusiast about the locomotive Richard III. He says it is actually called Edward II but The Great Central Railway have the nameplate Richard III for future use.
He thinks that the locomotive has now gone back to the Great Western Railway Society at Didcot in Oxfordshire where it was originally restored.
I personally wouldn't be surprised if it resurfaced at The Great Central Railway in the event of Richard's 're-burial in Leicester Cathedral. Jess

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From: Sharon Feely <43118@...>;
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Subject: Re: My upcoming trip to England
Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:34:46 AM

ÿ Carol, You will need a car for Fotheringhay and Middleham (and Towton, although I don't think there's anything to see - correct me if I'm wrong!). All the other places will be fine by train. What about Sheriff Hutton? You will need a car for that too. The castle can be viewed froma public path all the way round the perimeter and the church is worth a visit. There's a small exhibition in there on Richard as they are still insisting the effigy is of his son. Think you may be struggling to include Hadrian's Wall if you plan to do all this in 2 weeks! You will also need a car for the Wall - the bus only runs in the summer. The best bit to see is about halfway along, between Hexham and Haltwhistle, especially in the area around Twice Brewed - that's where it sweeps and swoops up the hills and is the parts featured in all the tourist photos (and the bit known as Sycamore Gap where the lone sycamore tree grows). If you do manage to incorporate the Wall, what about Barnard Castle on your way up there? The castle is worth a look and has Richard's boar symbol above a window, as does the parish church - that has a boar on the outside, right hand side of the chancel. One of the head stops of the chancel arch is also reported to be of Richard. Didn't notice it myself though! Don't know if you want to bother with Nottingham - the castle has been rebuilt since Richard's time following a fire in the 18th or 19th century (can't remember!). There's a few old houses in the city, but generally you'd be better off spending that time at York. The Richard III loco is usually at the Great Central Railway (preserved line) which is at Loughborough (just north of Leicester). But check with them first before you make a journey on purpose as they often loan locos out to other preserved lines. Their website is http://www.gcrailway.co.uk/. Hope this helps a bit! And have a great holiday! When are you coming? The tour de France passes Middleham in July - so if it's then, it WILL be very busy! Just to be warned - it's a big event and everywhere has been booked up for ages! Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: justcarol67@... To: Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 1:18 AM Subject: My upcoming trip to England
As some of you know, I'll be in England for a self-guided Ricardian tour this summer (a birthday present from my very special sister). So far, my list of places to visit includes Fotheringhay, Ludlow, Middleham, York, Westminster (abbey or cathedral?), Crosby Place/Hall if we can get in (!), Windsor Castle, and Leicester. I'm not sure about Baynard's Castle, the Tower of London (I might have trouble tolerating the Beefeaters' spiel), and Nottingham. I don't suppose we need to see the Houses of Parliament except from the outside, which I've already done. I could add Richard's chapel for the dead of Towton if it's worth seeing.

A couple of questions that I should know the answers to but don't: Was Richard crowned at Westminster Abbey or Westminster Cathedral? And was Windsor Castle his primary residence as king (when he wasn't on progress or waiting for the Tydder)?

Have I forgotten any place important? Is anything on my li st not worth seeing? Can we see all this in two weeks? If anyone wants to contact me offlist, please mention in your post that you're doing so as I seldom check my Yahoo e-mail.

The list is in roughly chronological order (birth to death) but the order would, of course, need to be changed to make sense geographically. I'm not sure whether to rent a car (and let my left-right-challenged sister drive!) or what for the places that can't be reached by train.

Which reminds me. My grandson may want to see the Richard III locomotive. Anyone know where it is? We also want to see Hadrian's Wall, not that it has anything to do with Richard.

We do have a travel agent, but she hasn't seen my full list of places to see yet.

Thanks in advance.

Carol

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-12 17:34:55
justcarol67
Hi, Sharon. Apologies for top-posting, but I don't know where to snip your very helpful post. I've added Sheriff Hutton and Barnard Castle to my list. I've bookmarked your message and am bearing in mind your warnings, especially the one about the Tour de France. We do plan to go there in summer or perhaps May when Wordsworth's famous daffodils should be in bloom. April, my actual birth month, would be too cold for us Arizonans.

Thanks very much for the excellent advice and thanks in advance to others whose posts I haven't read yet (also thanks to Vickie for the good wishes). I don't want to clog the forum by responding to every post in the thread!

Carol

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-12 17:42:33
liz williams
Hi Carol,
That sounds wonderful and yes it is a lot to see in a fortnight but if you plan carefully you could do most of it. I agree with Sharon about Nottingham and also the Wall.
It's Westminster Abbey you want, the Cathedral is Victorian.
I would say the Tower is well worth it, despite the Beefeaters (there's quite a funny film on you tube of one of them doing his spiel he doesn't seem to like the Tudors much)
Baynard's Castle doesn't exist any more - - I'm not sure if this picture will come through but if it does, this is what is there now!

Have a fabulous time.
Liz
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Subject: Re: My upcoming trip to England
Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:34:46 AM

ÿ Carol, You will need a car for Fotheringhay and Middleham (and Towton, although I don't think there's anything to see - correct me if I'm wrong!). All the other places will be fine by train. What about Sheriff Hutton? You will need a car for that too. The castle can be viewed froma public path all the way round the perimeter and the church is worth a visit. There's a small exhibition in there on Richard as they are still insisting the effigy is of his son. Think you may be struggling to include Hadrian's Wall if you plan to do all this in 2 weeks! You will also need a car for the Wall - the bus only runs in the summer. The best bit to see is about halfway along, between Hexham and Haltwhistle, especially in the area around Twice Brewed - that's where it sweeps and swoops up the hills and is the parts featured in all the tourist photos (and the bit known as Sycamore Gap where the lone sycamore tree grows). If you do manage to incorporate the Wall, what about Barnard Castle on your way up there? The castle is worth a look and has Richard's boar symbol above a window, as does the parish church - that has a boar on the outside, right hand side of the chancel. One of the head stops of the chancel arch is also reported to be of Richard. Didn't notice it myself though! Don't know if you want to bother with Nottingham - the castle has been rebuilt since Richard's time following a fire in the 18th or 19th century (can't remember!). There's a few old houses in the city, but generally you'd be better off spending that time at York. The Richard III loco is usually at the Great Central Railway (preserved line) which is at Loughborough (just north of Leicester). But check with them first before you make a journey on purpose as they often loan locos out to other preserved lines. Their website is www.gcrailway.co.uk. Hope this helps a bit! And have a great holiday! When are you coming? The tour de France passes Middleham in July - so if it's then, it WILL be very busy! Just to be warned - it's a big event and everywhere has been booked up for ages! Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: justcarol67@... To: Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 1:18 AM Subject: My upcoming trip to England
As some of you know, I'll be in England for a self-guided Ricardian tour this summer (a birthday present from my very special sister). So far, my list of places to visit includes Fotheringhay, Ludlow, Middleham, York, Westminster (abbey or cathedral?), Crosby Place/Hall if we can get in (!), Windsor Castle, and Leicester. I'm not sure about Baynard's Castle, the Tower of London (I might have trouble tolerating the Beefeaters' spiel), and Nottingham. I don't suppose we need to see the Houses of Parliament except from the outside, which I've already done. I could add Richard's chapel for the dead of Towton if it's worth seeing.

A couple of questions that I should know the answers to but don't: Was Richard crowned at Westminster Abbey or Westminster Cathedral? And was Windsor Castle his primary residence as king (when he wasn't on progress or waiting for the Tydder)?

Have I forgotten any place important? Is anything on my li st not worth seeing? Can we see all this in two weeks? If anyone wants to contact me offlist, please mention in your post that you're doing so as I seldom check my Yahoo e-mail.

The list is in roughly chronological order (birth to death) but the order would, of course, need to be changed to make sense geographically. I'm not sure whether to rent a car (and let my left-right-challenged sister drive!) or what for the places that can't be reached by train.

Which reminds me. My grandson may want to see the Richard III locomotive. Anyone know where it is? We also want to see Hadrian's Wall, not that it has anything to do with Richard.

We do have a travel agent, but she hasn't seen my full list of places to see yet.

Thanks in advance.

Carol



Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-12 17:46:13
Pamela Bain
Oh Hilary, those small churches, are absolutely wonderful, especially if you first hit all the "big ones", and have Cathedral and/or Castle fatigue. I think you could spends months in Britain and still not see all the marvelous things to be seen. Totally away from Richard, I have never seen the Crown Jewels, because the damn line was always, always so long.
On Jan 12, 2014, at 11:33 AM, "Hilary Jones" <hjnatdat@...> wrote:

Carol, you can't come to England without visiting Warwick. The castle is of course where Anne was born, Clarence and Richard Neville lived and Richard visited. The view of it from the bridge over the Avon is one of the best in England. If you don't want to pay the entry fees, then just look at it. And then go to the church of St Mary in the market square and visit Richard Beauchamp in his magnificent chantry (where Rous is also buried near his master). Look at the weepers round Beacuchamp's tomb which include Anne Beauchamp and Richard Neville. Elizabeth's Leicester is also buried there . Then, if you can stop off, go to the Saxon Mill hostelry on the road just out of town and watch the waters of the Avon flow past to Guy's Cliffe, where Rous worked in his chantry. And listen for the horses' bells on the hill above where another Warwick executed Gaveston. You can't miss Warwick! And then, for something completely different, go to any English village church, nearly all of which were there in Richard's day and just enjoy the tranquility. If you really have time, when you leave Leicester, go to Daddlington village church where those who died with Richard are buried. That's my suggestion . H.

On Sunday, 12 January 2014, 16:39, Jessie Skinner <janjovian@...> wrote:
To Carol, I asked my husband who is a steam railway enthusiast about the locomotive Richard III. He says it is actually called Edward II but The Great Central Railway have the nameplate Richard III for future use.
He thinks that the locomotive has now gone back to the Great Western Railway Society at Didcot in Oxfordshire where it was originally restored.
I personally wouldn't be surprised if it resurfaced at The Great Central Railway in the event of Richard's 're-burial in Leicester Cathedral. Jess

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Subject: Re: My upcoming trip to England
Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2014 1:34:46 AM

ÿ Carol, You will need a car for Fotheringhay and Middleham (and Towton, although I don't think there's anything to see - correct me if I'm wrong!). All the other places will be fine by train. What about Sheriff Hutton? You will need a car for that too. The castle can be viewed froma public path all the way round the perimeter and the church is worth a visit. There's a small exhibition in there on Richard as they are still insisting the effigy is of his son. Think you may be struggling to include Hadrian's Wall if you plan to do all this in 2 weeks! You will also need a car for the Wall - the bus only runs in the summer. The best bit to see is about halfway along, between Hexham and Haltwhistle, especially in the area around Twice Brewed - that's where it sweeps and swoops up the hills and is the parts featured in all the tourist photos (and the bit known as Sycamore Gap where the lone sycamore tree grows). If you do manage to incorporate the Wall, what about Barnard Castle on your way up there? The castle is worth a look and has Richard's boar symbol above a window, as does the parish church - that has a boar on the outside, right hand side of the chancel. One of the head stops of the chancel arch is also reported to be of Richard. Didn't notice it myself though! Don't know if you want to bother with Nottingham - the castle has been rebuilt since Richard's time following a fire in the 18th or 19th century (can't remember!). There's a few old houses in the city, but generally you'd be better off spending that time at York. The Richard III loco is usually at the Great Central Railway (preserved line) which is at Loughborough (just north of Leicester). But check with them first before you make a journey on purpose as they often loan locos out to other preserved lines. Their website is http://www.gcrailway.co.uk/. Hope this helps a bit! And have a great holiday! When are you coming? The tour de France passes Middleham in July - so if it's then, it WILL be very busy! Just to be warned - it's a big event and everywhere has been booked up for ages! Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: justcarol67@... To: Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 1:18 AM Subject: My upcoming trip to England
As some of you know, I'll be in England for a self-guided Ricardian tour this summer (a birthday present from my very special sister). So far, my list of places to visit includes Fotheringhay, Ludlow, Middleham, York, Westminster (abbey or cathedral?), Crosby Place/Hall if we can get in (!), Windsor Castle, and Leicester. I'm not sure about Baynard's Castle, the Tower of London (I might have trouble tolerating the Beefeaters' spiel), and Nottingham. I don't suppose we need to see the Houses of Parliament except from the outside, which I've already done. I could add Richard's chapel for the dead of Towton if it's worth seeing.

A couple of questions that I should know the answers to but don't: Was Richard crowned at Westminster Abbey or Westminster Cathedral? And was Windsor Castle his primary residence as king (when he wasn't on progress or waiting for the Tydder)?

Have I forgotten any place important? Is anything on my li st not worth seeing? Can we see all this in two weeks? If anyone wants to contact me offlist, please mention in your post that you're doing so as I seldom check my Yahoo e-mail.

The list is in roughly chronological order (birth to death) but the order would, of course, need to be changed to make sense geographically. I'm not sure whether to rent a car (and let my left-right-challenged sister drive!) or what for the places that can't be reached by train.

Which reminds me. My grandson may want to see the Richard III locomotive. Anyone know where it is? We also want to see Hadrian's Wall, not that it has anything to do with Richard.

We do have a travel agent, but she hasn't seen my full list of places to see yet.

Thanks in advance.

Carol

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-12 17:46:55
justcarol67
Jan wrote:

I'd recommend Westminster Hall because so much happened there like Richard taking his seat on King's Bench & the coronation banquet, never mind events of other reigns. Baynard's Castle has disappeared & a hideous concrete office block sits on top, <snip>

Carol responds:

Thanks, Jan. What is Westminster Hall and what is its relationship to Westminster Abbey (where, I believe, Richard and Anne were crowned)?

I've removed Baynard's Castle from my list.

Carol

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-12 17:49:48
justcarol67
Jess wrote:

"I asked my husband who is a steam railway enthusiast about the locomotive Richard III. He says it is actually called Edward II but The Great Central Railway have the nameplate Richard III for future use.
He thinks that the locomotive has now gone back to the Great Western Railway Society at Didcot in Oxfordshire where it was originally restored.
I personally wouldn't be surprised if it resurfaced at The Great Central Railway in the event of Richard's 're-burial in Leicester Cathedral."


Carol responds: Thanks Jess, and please thank your husband, too. How disappointing!

Carol

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-12 19:28:32
jaangelfire

Hi all (and Carol specifically!),

Towton now has a battlefield walk which is well laid-out and goes around the whole area that it took place, through lanes and meadows with vantage points for looking onto specific sites like the Bloody Meadow. There's a leaflet and also boards which show exactly where and when the action was taking place. The walk is fairly new, which may be why most people don't think there's much to see, and it is also associated with two pubs where you can pick up the leaflet and eat before or after the walk. One (rockingham Arms, I think) has further info about the battle in it. You can also go in the Lead Church, which is really ancient, beautiful, and where it's thought the troops may have prayed before the battle. And another church has the grave of Lord Dacre and others who took part and were killed.


As others here have said, it's just a short drive from York - and from Towton it's another short drive to Cawood, another Ricardian site which is a very quaint atmospheric little town in its own right. The village of Saxton near Towton - and on the battlefield route - is worth a look for itself too - the whole route can be used as a ramble through some fairly idyllic English villages.


Sorry if I've duplicated any info from other posts - I find the Yahoo format REALLY hard to follow now!


http://www.towton.org.uk/


Janet




---In , <justcarol67@...> wrote:

Hi, Sharon. Apologies for top-posting, but I don't know where to snip your very helpful post. I've added Sheriff Hutton and Barnard Castle to my list. I've bookmarked your message and am bearing in mind your warnings, especially the one about the Tour de France. We do plan to go there in summer or perhaps May when Wordsworth's famous daffodils should be in bloom. April, my actual birth month, would be too cold for us Arizonans.

Thanks very much for the excellent advice and thanks in advance to others whose posts I haven't read yet (also thanks to Vickie for the good wishes). I don't want to clog the forum by responding to every post in the thread!

Carol

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-12 20:08:21
Jan Mulrenan
Jan again.Westminster Abbey as it looks now was begun by Henry III in1245, but Edward the Confessor had built a palace there before & he also had an Abbey started to be his burial church. The Bayeux Tapestry has the only image of this apparently. All coronations have happened there since 1066. Westminster Palace was the main royal residence till a fire in 1512, and then Parliament carried on meeting in it. Westminster Hall & the Jewel Tower still survive from the old palace & the Hall has an amazing hammer beam roof for which we thank Richard II & his royal carpenter Hugh Herland. The Hall is huge. It held the Courts of King's Bench, Common Pleas & Chancery& important trials were held there: Sir Thomas More, Bishop John Fisher, Guy Fawkes & King Charles I. Go & imagine!

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On 12 Jan 2014, at 17:46, <justcarol67@...> wrote:

Jan wrote:


I'd recommend Westminster Hall because so much happened there like Richard taking his seat on King's Bench & the coronation banquet, never mind events of other reigns. Baynard's Castle has disappeared & a hideous concrete office block sits on top, <snip>

Carol responds:

Thanks, Jan. What is Westminster Hall and what is its relationship to Westminster Abbey (where, I believe, Richard and Anne were crowned)?

I've removed Baynard's Castle from my list.

Carol

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-12 20:49:59
Pamela Bain
Oh my, huge indeed. I have forgotten, was Middleham on your itinerary? I have a lovely CD that depicts the castle as it was. I will send it to you, or anyone else who might be interested.
On Jan 12, 2014, at 2:08 PM, "Jan Mulrenan" <janmulrenan@...> wrote:

Jan again. Westminster Abbey as it looks now was begun by Henry III in1245, but Edward the Confessor had built a palace there before & he also had an Abbey started to be his burial church. The Bayeux Tapestry has the only image of this apparently. All coronations have happened there since 1066. Westminster Palace was the main royal residence till a fire in 1512, and then Parliament carried on meeting in it. Westminster Hall & the Jewel Tower still survive from the old palace & the Hall has an amazing hammer beam roof for which we thank Richard II & his royal carpenter Hugh Herland. The Hall is huge. It held the Courts of King's Bench, Common Pleas & Chancery& important trials were held there: Sir Thomas More, Bishop John Fisher, Guy Fawkes & King Charles I. Go & imagine!

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On 12 Jan 2014, at 17:46, <justcarol67@...> wrote:

Jan wrote:


I'd recommend Westminster Hall because so much happened there like Richard taking his seat on King's Bench & the coronation banquet, never mind events of other reigns. Baynard's Castle has disappeared & a hideous concrete office block sits on top, <snip>

Carol responds:

Thanks, Jan. What is Westminster Hall and what is its relationship to Westminster Abbey (where, I believe, Richard and Anne were crowned)?

I've removed Baynard's Castle from my list.

Carol

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-12 20:58:05
justcarol67


Janet wrote:

"Hi all (and Carol specifically!),

"Towton now has a battlefield walk which is well laid-out and goes around the whole area that it took place, through lanes and meadows with vantage points for looking onto specific sites like the Bloody Meadow. There's a leaflet and also boards which show exactly where and when the action was taking place. The walk is fairly new, which may be why most people don't think there's much to see, and it is also associated with two pubs where you can pick up the leaflet and eat before or after the walk. One (rockingham Arms, I think) has further info about the battle in it. You can also go in the Lead Church, which is really ancient, beautiful, and where it's thought the troops may have prayed before the battle. And another church has the grave of Lord Dacre and others who took part and were killed.


"As others here have said, it's just a short drive from York - and from Towton it's another short drive to Cawood, another Ricardian site which is a very quaint atmospheric little town in its own right. The village of Saxton near Towton - and on the battlefield route - is worth a look for itself too - the whole route can be used as a ramble through some fairly idyllic English villages.


"Sorry if I've duplicated any info from other posts - I find the Yahoo format REALLY hard to follow now!"


Carol responds:

Thank you very much, Janet. I've reproduced the whole post (except the URL) in a larger size as the original was too small for my poor old eyes to read.

That sounds like something I would want to see (archaeology is one of my interests), especially since it's not far from York.

I've bookmarked the website for future reference.

Carol

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-12 23:17:54
ricard1an

That sounds great Janet, it is quite a long time time since I visited Towton. Obviously worth another visit.


Mary

Re : Re: [Richard III Society Forum] My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-13 11:58:50
Durose David
Carol,
If you are visiting the area, in addition to the places already mentioned, Richmond is very close to Middleham and is worth a visit.

May will be too late for daffodils.

If you are interested in archaeology, (as a proud northerner) I would suggest Thornborough Henges - very close to the Middleham area. Also Castlerigg Stone Circle is set in the most amazing landscape.

I would think driving in the area may be a bit different from the States.

Regards
David
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Subject: Re: My upcoming trip to England
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Hi, Sharon. Apologies for top-posting, but I don't know where to snip your very helpful post. I've added Sheriff Hutton and Barnard Castle to my list. I've bookmarked your message and am bearing in mind your warnings, especially the one about the Tour de France. We do plan to go there in summer or perhaps May when Wordsworth's famous daffodils should be in bloom. April, my actual birth month, would be too cold for us Arizonans.

Thanks very much for the excellent advice and thanks in advance to others whose posts I haven't read yet (also thanks to Vickie for the good wishes). I don't want to clog the forum by responding to every post in the thread!

Carol

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-13 12:36:26
Gilda Felt
Hi Carol,
As someone else has mentioned, the Wall is quite a distance from everything else, but, depending on the length of your stay, certainly doable. I've visited, and enjoyed, all the other places you've mentioned except Baynard's Castle, which doesn't exist anymore, and Windsor Castle. I did attempt a visit to Windsor this last August, but I really only wanted to see St George's chapel. The price, and the ridiculously long lines, changed my mind. Maybe if my next trip is off-season, I'll try again.
Some other places you might think of visiting (though some have no real Ricardian connection,) are Bosworth Battlefield, Sheriff Hutton, Tewksbury Abbey, Sudeley Castle, Skipton Castle, Rievaulx Abbey (which I preferred over Fountains Abbey,) Sandal Castle, Scarborough Castle, Bernard Castle, and Minster Lovell. And one place that was a very pleasant surprise was Ashby De La Zouch Castle.
I also think you'd enjoy the Tower of London. You don't have to follow the guides. I never have. Just take off on your own and see the place at your leisure. And there's a small piece of the castle left at Nottingham, certainly more than at Fotheringhay, but most of the place is of a far later age.
Gilda

On Jan 11, 2014, at 8:18 PM, <justcarol67@...> <justcarol67@...> wrote:


As some of you know, I'll be in England for a self-guided Ricardian tour this summer (a birthday present from my very special sister). So far, my list of places to visit includes Fotheringhay, Ludlow, Middleham, York, Westminster (abbey or cathedral?), Crosby Place/Hall if we can get in (!), Windsor Castle, and Leicester. I'm not sure about Baynard's Castle, the Tower of London (I might have trouble tolerating the Beefeaters' spiel), and Nottingham. I don't suppose we need to see the Houses of Parliament except from the outside, which I've already done. I could add Richard's chapel for the dead of Towton if it's worth seeing.

A couple of questions that I should know the answers to but don't: Was Richard crowned at Westminster Abbey or Westminster Cathedral? And was Windsor Castle his primary residence as king (when he wasn't on progress or waiting for the Tydder)?

Have I forgotten any place important? Is anything on my list not worth seeing? Can we see all this in two weeks? If anyone wants to contact me offlist, please mention in your post that you're doing so as I seldom check my Yahoo e-mail.

The list is in roughly chronological order (birth to death) but the order would, of course, need to be changed to make sense geographically. I'm not sure whether to rent a car (and let my left-right-challenged sister drive!) or what for the places that can't be reached by train.

Which reminds me. My grandson may want to see the Richard III locomotive. Anyone know where it is? We also want to see Hadrian's Wall, not that it has anything to do with Richard.

We do have a travel agent, but she hasn't seen my full list of places to see yet.

Thanks in advance.

Carol


Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-13 17:39:57
justcarol67
Jan wrote:
"Westminster Abbey as it looks now was begun by Henry III in1245, but Edward the Confessor had built a palace there before & he also had an Abbey started to be his burial church. The Bayeux Tapestry has the only image of this apparently. All coronations have happened there since 1066. Westminster Palace was the main royal residence till a fire in 1512, and then Parliament carried on meeting in it. Westminster Hall & the Jewel Tower still survive from the old palace & the Hall has an amazing hammer beam roof for which we thank Richard II & his royal carpenter Hugh Herland. The Hall is huge. It held the Courts of King's Bench, Common Pleas & Chancery& important trials were held there: Sir Thomas More, Bishop John Fisher, Guy Fawkes & King Charles I. Go & imagine!"

Carol responds:

So Westminster Hall is part of Richard's main residence when he was king (along with the Jewel Tower)? That's all I need to know to make sure it's on my list. Thanks very much.

Here's my revised list (starred items are on the Richard III Society's list of places associated with Richard and therefore must-sees):

*Fotheringhay village and the Church of Saint Mary and All Saints
*Middleham
*Crosby Hall (if possible)
*Sheriff Hutton
*Leicester and Bosworth Field
York (including York Minster)
Westminster Abbey
Westminster Hall and the Jewel Tower
Tower of London (I'll grit my teeth or obtain and wear a boar pin, which I'll flaunt conspicuously!)
Tewkesbury (hopefully at the right time for the medieval fair)
Warwick Castle
Towton Chapel excavation

And, in the unlikely event that we can fit them in:
Barnard Castle
Ludlow
The Richard III locomotive (if it's at the station and has its sign on it)

I'll have to rearrange the list geographically. Right now its more or less in order of priority.

By the way, Towton has an interesting website with a very moving video and a "Loyaultie Me Lie" section for Richard. Click here if you're interested
(I'm in the process of looking up official websites for all the places on my list):

http://www.towton.org.uk/


Carol

Re: Re : Re: [Richard III Society Forum] My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-13 17:55:25
justcarol67
David D. wrote:

"Carol,
If you are visiting the area, in addition to the places already mentioned, Richmond is very close to Middleham and is worth a visit.
May will be too late for daffodils.
If you are interested in archaeology, (as a proud northerner) I would suggest Thornborough Henges - very close to the Middleham area. Also Castlerigg Stone Circle is set in the most amazing landscape.
I would think driving in the area may be a bit different from the States."

Carol responds:
Sorry for scrunching up your post. I'm trying to save space and to use only one set of quotation marks.

Thanks for your suggestions. If I were traveling alone, I would definitely follow your suggestions. As it is, I'll present them as possibilities if we have time. A lot depends on how restless my twenty-year-old grandson is becoming.

I have no doubt that driving in England will be a challenge given that both the steering wheel and the driving land are the opposite of what we're used to. I would be nervous driving on the "wrong" side of the road, my sister is ambidextrous and has always had problems distinguishing right from left, and my grandson is finally attempting to get his driver's permit after putting it off for five years but has yet to pass the test. So the challenge will probably involve finding a driver who doesn't charge more than we can afford. Or maybe we can find buses (like the so-called Oxford Tube, only we're not going to Oxford) to take us to the places without trains.

I still don't know how much time we'll have as my busy sister hasn't responded to my last e-mail message.

Carol

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-13 18:04:00
EILEEN BATES
Carol...if I were you and you were pushed for time I would definitely swop Warwick Castle for Ludlow Castle. True Ludlow is a ruin but still it is fairly substantial...where as Warwick is not a ruin but in some respect has been rather spoilt. Of course if you do not mind crowds and a kind of Disneyfied atmosphere then go ahead. Personally I think you should visit Ludlow by crook or by hook....tis well worth it.

Westminster Hall is NOT to be missed...and the Abbey is just across the road as is the Jewel Tower.

Lastly if you get near enough try to get Minster Lovell in...ruins but very beautiful ruins. Take a picnic...or call in at nearby Burford which is everything Cotswold.....and utterly unspoilt.

Eileen

--- In , <justcarol67@...> wrote:
>
> Jan wrote:
> "Westminster Abbey as it looks now was begun by Henry III in1245, but Edward the Confessor had built a palace there before & he also had an Abbey started to be his burial church. The Bayeux Tapestry has the only image of this apparently. All coronations have happened there since 1066. Westminster Palace was the main royal residence till a fire in 1512, and then Parliament carried on meeting in it. Westminster Hall & the Jewel Tower still survive from the old palace & the Hall has an amazing hammer beam roof for which we thank Richard II & his royal carpenter Hugh Herland. The Hall is huge. It held the Courts of King's Bench, Common Pleas & Chancery& important trials were held there: Sir Thomas More, Bishop John Fisher, Guy Fawkes & King Charles I. Go & imagine!"
>
>
> Carol responds:
>
> So Westminster Hall is part of Richard's main residence when he was king (along with the Jewel Tower)? That's all I need to know to make sure it's on my list. Thanks very much.
>
> Here's my revised list (starred items are on the Richard III Society's list of places associated with Richard and therefore must-sees):
>
> *Fotheringhay village and the Church of Saint Mary and All Saints
> *Middleham
> *Crosby Hall (if possible)
> *Sheriff Hutton
> *Leicester and Bosworth Field
> York (including York Minster)
> Westminster Abbey
> Westminster Hall and the Jewel Tower
> Tower of London (I'll grit my teeth or obtain and wear a boar pin, which I'll flaunt conspicuously!)
> Tewkesbury (hopefully at the right time for the medieval fair)
> Warwick Castle
> Towton Chapel excavation
>
> And, in the unlikely event that we can fit them in:
> Barnard Castle
> Ludlow
> The Richard III locomotive (if it's at the station and has its sign on it)
>
> I'll have to rearrange the list geographically. Right now its more or less in order of priority.
>
> By the way, Towton has an interesting website with a very moving video and a "Loyaultie Me Lie" section for Richard. Click here if you're interested
> (I'm in the process of looking up official websites for all the places on my list):
>
> http://www.towton.org.uk/ http://www.towton.org.uk/
>
>
> Carol
>

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-13 18:13:09
Jessie Skinner

That is quite a programme to fit into two weeks, but if you make three main bases of London, York, and Leicester you should be able to see most of it. Tewkesbury will require another base though. Tewkesbury is all flooded st present, it is most years at about this time, but is a nice town. I would have thought it shouldn't be too hard to find a nice country hotel in that area.
If I find out anything else about the steam locomotive from my husband I will let you know.

Jess

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Jan wrote:
"Westminster Abbey as it looks now was begun by Henry III in1245, but Edward the Confessor had built a palace there before & he also had an Abbey started to be his burial church. The Bayeux Tapestry has the only image of this apparently. All coronations have happened there since 1066. Westminster Palace was the main royal residence till a fire in 1512, and then Parliament carried on meeting in it. Westminster Hall & the Jewel Tower still survive from the old palace & the Hall has an amazing hammer beam roof for which we thank Richard II & his royal carpenter Hugh Herland.  The Hall is huge. It held the Courts of King's Bench, Common Pleas & Chancery& important trials were held there: Sir Thomas More, Bishop John Fisher, Guy Fawkes & King Charles I. Go & imagine!"

Carol responds:

So Westminster Hall is part of Richard's main residence when he was king (along with the Jewel Tower)? That's all I need to know to make sure it's on my list. Thanks very much.

Here's my revised list (starred items are on the Richard III Society's list of places associated with Richard and therefore must-sees):

*Fotheringhay village and the Church of Saint Mary and All Saints
*Middleham
*Crosby Hall (if possible)
*Sheriff Hutton
*Leicester and Bosworth Field
York (including York Minster)
Westminster Abbey
Westminster Hall and the Jewel Tower
Tower of London (I'll grit my teeth or obtain and wear a boar pin, which I'll flaunt conspicuously!)
Tewkesbury (hopefully at the right time for the medieval fair)
Warwick Castle
Towton Chapel excavation

And, in the unlikely event that we can fit them in:
Barnard Castle
Ludlow
The Richard III locomotive (if it's at the station and has its sign on it)

I'll have to rearrange the list geographically. Right now its more or less in order of priority.

By the way, Towton has an interesting website with a very moving video and a "Loyaultie Me Lie" section for Richard. Click here if you're interested
(I'm in the process of looking up official websites for all the places on my list):

http://www.towton.org.uk/


Carol

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-13 21:35:19
liz williams
I agree - Ludlow would be near the top of my list. The town is gorgeous. Liz
From: EILEEN BATES <eileenbates147@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 13 January 2014, 18:03
Subject: Re: My upcoming trip to England

Carol...if I were you and you were pushed for time I would definitely swop Warwick Castle for Ludlow Castle. True Ludlow is a ruin but still it is fairly substantial...where as Warwick is not a ruin but in some respect has been rather spoilt. Of course if you do not mind crowds and a kind of Disneyfied atmosphere then go ahead. Personally I think you should visit Ludlow by crook or by hook....tis well worth it.

Westminster Hall is NOT to be missed...and the Abbey is just across the road as is the Jewel Tower.

Lastly if you get near enough try to get Minster Lovell in...ruins but very beautiful ruins. Take a picnic...or call in at nearby Burford which is everything Cotswold.....and utterly unspoilt.

Eileen

--- In , <justcarol67@...> wrote:
>
> Jan wrote:
> "Westminster Abbey as it looks now was begun by Henry III in1245, but Edward the Confessor had built a palace there before & he also had an Abbey started to be his burial church. The Bayeux Tapestry has the only image of this apparently. All coronations have happened there since 1066. Westminster Palace was the main royal residence till a fire in 1512, and then Parliament carried on meeting in it. Westminster Hall & the Jewel Tower still survive from the old palace & the Hall has an amazing hammer beam roof for which we thank Richard II & his royal carpenter Hugh Herland. The Hall is huge. It held the Courts of King's Bench, Common Pleas & Chancery& important trials were held there: Sir Thomas More, Bishop John Fisher, Guy Fawkes & King Charles I. Go & imagine!"
>
>
> Carol responds:
>
> So Westminster Hall is part of Richard's main residence when he was king (along with the Jewel Tower)? That's all I need to know to make sure it's on my list. Thanks very much.
>
> Here's my revised list (starred items are on the Richard III Society's list of places associated with Richard and therefore must-sees):
>
> *Fotheringhay village and the Church of Saint Mary and All Saints
> *Middleham
> *Crosby Hall (if possible)
> *Sheriff Hutton
> *Leicester and Bosworth Field
> York (including York Minster)
> Westminster Abbey
> Westminster Hall and the Jewel Tower
> Tower of London (I'll grit my teeth or obtain and wear a boar pin, which I'll flaunt conspicuously!)
> Tewkesbury (hopefully at the right time for the medieval fair)
> Warwick Castle
> Towton Chapel excavation
>
> And, in the unlikely event that we can fit them in:
> Barnard Castle
> Ludlow
> The Richard III locomotive (if it's at the station and has its sign on it)
>
> I'll have to rearrange the list geographically. Right now its more or less in order of priority.
>
> By the way, Towton has an interesting website with a very moving video and a "Loyaultie Me Lie" section for Richard. Click here if you're interested
> (I'm in the process of looking up official websites for all the places on my list):
>
> http://www.towton.org.uk/ http://www.towton.org.uk/
>
>
> Carol
>




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Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-13 22:00:09
EILEEN BATES
So much happened there.....Cicely remaining behind with her younger children while her husband and older sons rode for their lives....young Edward riding through those gates for the last time to begin his journey to London...and Prince Arthur dying there....it's ruinous yes but you can still climb the stairs to what would have been the princes apartments....it's a truly wonderful place...one of my favourite Ricardian places,

Eileen


--- In , liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:
>
> I agree - Ludlow would be near the top of my list.  The town is gorgeous.
>  
>  
> Liz
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: EILEEN BATES <eileenbates147@...>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, 13 January 2014, 18:03
> Subject: Re: My upcoming trip to England
>
>
> Carol...if I were you and you were pushed for time I would definitely swop Warwick Castle for Ludlow Castle.  True Ludlow is a ruin but still it is fairly substantial...where as Warwick is not a ruin but in some respect has been rather spoilt.  Of course if you do not mind crowds and a kind of Disneyfied atmosphere then go ahead.  Personally I think you should visit Ludlow by crook or by hook....tis well worth it.
>
> Westminster Hall is NOT to be missed...and the Abbey is just across the road as is the Jewel Tower.
>
> Lastly if you get near enough try to get Minster Lovell in...ruins but very beautiful ruins.  Take a picnic...or call in at  nearby Burford which is everything Cotswold.....and utterly unspoilt. 
>
> Eileen
>
> --- In , <justcarol67@> wrote:
> >
> > Jan wrote:
> > "Westminster Abbey as it looks now was begun by Henry III in1245, but Edward the Confessor had built a palace there before & he also had an Abbey started to be his burial church. The Bayeux Tapestry has the only image of this apparently. All coronations have happened there since 1066. Westminster Palace was the main royal residence till a fire in 1512, and then Parliament carried on meeting in it. Westminster Hall & the Jewel Tower still survive from the old palace & the Hall has an amazing hammer beam roof for which we thank Richard II & his royal carpenter Hugh Herland.  The Hall is huge. It held the Courts of King's Bench, Common Pleas & Chancery& important trials were held there: Sir Thomas More, Bishop John Fisher, Guy Fawkes & King Charles I. Go & imagine!"
> > 
> >
> > Carol responds:
> >
> > So Westminster Hall is part of Richard's main residence when he was king (along with the Jewel Tower)? That's all I need to know to make sure it's on my list. Thanks very much.
> >
> > Here's my revised list (starred items are on the Richard III Society's list of places associated with Richard and therefore must-sees):
> >
> > *Fotheringhay village and the Church of Saint Mary and All Saints
> > *Middleham
> > *Crosby Hall (if possible)
> > *Sheriff Hutton
> > *Leicester and Bosworth Field
> > York (including York Minster)
> > Westminster Abbey
> > Westminster Hall and the Jewel Tower
> > Tower of London (I'll grit my teeth or obtain and wear a boar pin, which I'll flaunt conspicuously!)
> > Tewkesbury (hopefully at the right time for the medieval fair)
> > Warwick Castle
> > Towton Chapel excavation
> >
> > And, in the unlikely event that we can fit them in:
> > Barnard Castle
> > Ludlow
> > The Richard III locomotive (if it's at the station and has its sign on it)
> >
> > I'll have to rearrange the list geographically. Right now its more or less in order of priority.
> >
> > By the way, Towton has an interesting website with a very moving video and a "Loyaultie Me Lie" section for Richard. Click here if you're interested
> > (I'm in the process of looking up official websites for all the places on my list):
> >
> >  http://www.towton.org.uk/ http://www.towton.org.uk/
> >
> >
> > Carol
> >
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Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-13 23:22:40
justcarol67
Eileen wrote:

Carol...if I were you and you were pushed for time I would definitely swop Warwick Castle for Ludlow Castle. True Ludlow is a ruin but still it is fairly substantial...where as Warwick is not a ruin but in some respect has been rather spoilt. Of course if you do not mind crowds and a kind of Disneyfied atmosphere then go ahead. Personally I think you should visit Ludlow by crook or by hook....tis well worth it.
Westminster Hall is NOT to be missed...and the Abbey is just across the road as is the Jewel Tower.
Lastly if you get near enough try to get Minster Lovell in...ruins but very beautiful ruins. Take a picnic...or call in at nearby Burford which is everything Cotswold.....and utterly unspoilt."

Carol responds:

Thanks, Eileen. I'll bear your suggestions in mind and have already passed them on to my sister (who must be regretting her generous offer by now!).

By the way, does anyone know anything about a London Pass, which lets you see certain attractions (the Tower of London and the three Westminster buildings among them) free? I saw it advertised on a Jewel Tower website. Worth it or not?

Carol

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-13 23:28:03
justcarol67



Eileen wrote:

" <snip> Lastly if you get near enough try to get Minster Lovell in...ruins but very beautiful ruins. Take a picnic...or call in at nearby Burford which is everything Cotswold.....and utterly unspoilt."

Carol responds (again):

Yikes. It looks as if Minster Lovell is closed because of flooding (unless they haven't updated their website):

http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/daysout/properties/minster-lovell-hall-and-dovecote/

Maybe things will be better in a few months?

Carol

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-14 01:35:03
justcarol67
Jessie wrote:

"That is quite a programme to fit into two weeks, but if you make three main bases of London, York, and Leicester you should be able to see most of it. Tewkesbury will require another base though. Tewkesbury is all flooded st present, it is most years at about this time, but is a nice town. I would have thought it shouldn't be too hard to find a nice country hotel in that area.
If I find out anything else about the steam locomotive from my husband I will let you know.


Carol responds:

Thanks, Jessie. The three main bases suggestion is great. As for flooding, we won't be going to England until summer. I'm thinking July so that we can take in the medieval fair at Tewkesbury July 13 or 14. I'd never visit England in winter!

Carol in Tucson, where the high temps are near seventy (that's 21 Celsius)

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-14 09:59:18
liz williams
I've seen it advertised and since they all cost quite a bit to get in, suspect you would make at least a small saving.

Also, make sure you get an Oyster card (from any tube station) so you can just hop on and off buses, tubes, etc. Not only is it cheaper, many buses don't take cash these days!

Liz

--------------------------------------------
On Mon, 13/1/14, justcarol67@... <justcarol67@...> wrote:



Carol responds:

Thanks, Eileen. I'll bear your suggestions in mind and
have already passed them on to my sister (who must be
regretting her generous offer by now!).

By the way, does anyone know anything about a London Pass,
which lets you see certain attractions (the Tower of London
and the three Westminster buildings among them) free? I saw
it advertised on a Jewel Tower website. Worth it or not?

Carol

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-14 10:41:58
Jessie Skinner

Our weather has been absolutely awful recently with constant storms and flooding.
Luckily I am off to stay with my sister in her house in Florida next week for the best part of a month, so hopefully we will be over the worst by the time we get back. England in the spring can be delicious.

Jess

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From: justcarol67@... <justcarol67@...>;
To: <>;
Subject: Re: My upcoming trip to England
Sent: Tue, Jan 14, 2014 1:35:02 AM

 

Jessie wrote:


"That is quite a programme to fit into two weeks, but if you make three main bases of London, York, and Leicester you should be able to see most of it. Tewkesbury will require another base though. Tewkesbury is all flooded st present, it is most years at about this time, but is a nice town. I would have thought it shouldn't be too hard to find a nice country hotel in that area.
If I find out anything else about the steam locomotive from my husband I will let you know.


Carol responds:

Thanks, Jessie. The three main bases suggestion is great. As for flooding, we won't be going to England until summer. I'm thinking July so that we can take in the medieval fair at Tewkesbury July 13 or 14. I'd never visit England in winter!

Carol in Tucson, where the high temps are near seventy (that's 21 Celsius)

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-14 10:52:58
Jonathan Evans
From: Gilda Felt <gildaevf@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 13 January 2014, 12:36
Subject: Re: My upcoming trip to England

> And one place that was a very pleasant surprise was Ashby De La Zouch Castle.

What a lovely thing to read! (I went to school at the Manor House next door, and the adjacent St Helen's Church with the Hastings Chapel is also worth a look).

Re the castle itself, if you take a pair of binoculars, you can still see a gorgeous fireplace emblazoned with roses and sunbursts towards the top of the Hastings Tower.

Jonathan


From: Gilda Felt <gildaevf@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 13 January 2014, 12:36
Subject: Re: My upcoming trip to England

Hi Carol,
As someone else has mentioned, the Wall is quite a distance from everything else, but, depending on the length of your stay, certainly doable. I've visited, and enjoyed, all the other places you've mentioned except Baynard's Castle, which doesn't exist anymore, and Windsor Castle. I did attempt a visit to Windsor this last August, but I really only wanted to see St George's chapel. The price, and the ridiculously long lines, changed my mind. Maybe if my next trip is off-season, I'll try again.
Some other places you might think of visiting (though some have no real Ricardian connection,) are Bosworth Battlefield, Sheriff Hutton, Tewksbury Abbey, Sudeley Castle, Skipton Castle, Rievaulx Abbey (which I preferred over Fountains Abbey,) Sandal Castle, Scarborough Castle, Bernard Castle, and Minster Lovell. And one place that was a very pleasant surprise was Ashby De La Zouch Castle.
I also think you'd enjoy the Tower of London. You don't have to follow the guides. I never have. Just take off on your own and see the place at your leisure. And there's a small piece of the castle left at Nottingham, certainly more than at Fotheringhay, but most of the place is of a far later age.
Gilda

On Jan 11, 2014, at 8:18 PM, <justcarol67@...> <justcarol67@...> wrote:


As some of you know, I'll be in England for a self-guided Ricardian tour this summer (a birthday present from my very special sister). So far, my list of places to visit includes Fotheringhay, Ludlow, Middleham, York, Westminster (abbey or cathedral?), Crosby Place/Hall if we can get in (!), Windsor Castle, and Leicester. I'm not sure about Baynard's Castle, the Tower of London (I might have trouble tolerating the Beefeaters' spiel), and Nottingham. I don't suppose we need to see the Houses of Parliament except from the outside, which I've already done. I could add Richard's chapel for the dead of Towton if it's worth seeing.

A couple of questions that I should know the answers to but don't: Was Richard crowned at Westminster Abbey or Westminster Cathedral? And was Windsor Castle his primary residence as king (when he wasn't on progress or waiting for the Tydder)?

Have I forgotten any place important? Is anything on my list not worth seeing? Can we see all this in two weeks? If anyone wants to contact me offlist, please mention in your post that you're doing so as I seldom check my Yahoo e-mail.

The list is in roughly chronological order (birth to death) but the order would, of course, need to be changed to make sense geographically. I'm not sure whether to rent a car (and let my left-right-challenged sister drive!) or what for the places that can't be reached by train.

Which reminds me. My grandson may want to see the Richard III locomotive. Anyone know where it is? We also want to see Hadrian's Wall, not that it has anything to do with Richard.

We do have a travel agent, but she hasn't seen my full list of places to see yet.

Thanks in advance.

Carol




Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-14 11:14:41
Jonathan Evans
From: "justcarol67@..." <justcarol67@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 13 January 2014, 17:39
Subject: Re: My upcoming trip to England

> Tower of London (I'll grit my teeth or obtain and wear a boar pin, which I'll flaunt conspicuously!)
If you do Bosworth first, you can buy an exquisite silver replica of the Bosworth Boar discovered by Glenn Foard's team.
And if you visit York, try and spare an hour or so for the Yorkshire Museum, which has a number of Ricardian objects on display, including the York House Books, the Stillingfleet Boar, the "R&A" horse ornament discovered at Middleham and the Middleham Jewel.
Oh - and don't just do Warwick castle - try and fit in the Beauchamp Chapel in St Mary's Church, Warwick, too. In fact, you'll probably get more from that than from the castle itself in its current, "tourist-ified" state.
Towton's a must-see - the most evocative of all the Wars of the Roses battle-sites. And lastly, in the light of recent conversations, nip into the National Portrait Gallery (no entry fee) for 10 minutes to see the original of the NPG portrait.

Jonathan
From: "justcarol67@..." <justcarol67@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 13 January 2014, 17:39
Subject: Re: My upcoming trip to England

Jan wrote:
"Westminster Abbey as it looks now was begun by Henry III in1245, but Edward the Confessor had built a palace there before & he also had an Abbey started to be his burial church. The Bayeux Tapestry has the only image of this apparently. All coronations have happened there since 1066. Westminster Palace was the main royal residence till a fire in 1512, and then Parliament carried on meeting in it. Westminster Hall & the Jewel Tower still survive from the old palace & the Hall has an amazing hammer beam roof for which we thank Richard II & his royal carpenter Hugh Herland. The Hall is huge. It held the Courts of King's Bench, Common Pleas & Chancery& important trials were held there: Sir Thomas More, Bishop John Fisher, Guy Fawkes & King Charles I. Go & imagine!"

Carol responds:

So Westminster Hall is part of Richard's main residence when he was king (along with the Jewel Tower)? That's all I need to know to make sure it's on my list. Thanks very much.

Here's my revised list (starred items are on the Richard III Society's list of places associated with Richard and therefore must-sees):

*Fotheringhay village and the Church of Saint Mary and All Saints
*Middleham
*Crosby Hall (if possible)
*Sheriff Hutton
*Leicester and Bosworth Field
York (including York Minster)
Westminster Abbey
Westminster Hall and the Jewel Tower
Tower of London (I'll grit my teeth or obtain and wear a boar pin, which I'll flaunt conspicuously!)
Tewkesbury (hopefully at the right time for the medieval fair)
Warwick Castle
Towton Chapel excavation

And, in the unlikely event that we can fit them in:
Barnard Castle
Ludlow
The Richard III locomotive (if it's at the station and has its sign on it)

I'll have to rearrange the list geographically. Right now its more or less in order of priority.

By the way, Towton has an interesting website with a very moving video and a "Loyaultie Me Lie" section for Richard. Click here if you're interested
(I'm in the process of looking up official websites for all the places on my list):

http://www.towton.org.uk/

Carol


Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-14 12:08:48
Pamela Bain
I just had a look at Ashby De La Zouch Castle. It is lovely...... How wonderful to go to school next to a castle! Carol, I am so envious about your trip. Please take lots of photos, and share!
On Jan 14, 2014, at 4:53 AM, "Jonathan Evans" <jmcevans98@...> wrote:

From: Gilda Felt <gildaevf@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 13 January 2014, 12:36
Subject: Re: My upcoming trip to England

> And one place that was a very pleasant surprise was Ashby De La Zouch Castle.

What a lovely thing to read! (I went to school at the Manor House next door, and the adjacent St Helen's Church with the Hastings Chapel is also worth a look).

Re the castle itself, if you take a pair of binoculars, you can still see a gorgeous fireplace emblazoned with roses and sunbursts towards the top of the Hastings Tower.

Jonathan


From: Gilda Felt <gildaevf@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 13 January 2014, 12:36
Subject: Re: My upcoming trip to England

Hi Carol,
As someone else has mentioned, the Wall is quite a distance from everything else, but, depending on the length of your stay, certainly doable. I've visited, and enjoyed, all the other places you've mentioned except Baynard's Castle, which doesn't exist anymore, and Windsor Castle. I did attempt a visit to Windsor this last August, but I really only wanted to see St George's chapel. The price, and the ridiculously long lines, changed my mind. Maybe if my next trip is off-season, I'll try again.
Some other places you might think of visiting (though some have no real Ricardian connection,) are Bosworth Battlefield, Sheriff Hutton, Tewksbury Abbey, Sudeley Castle, Skipton Castle, Rievaulx Abbey (which I preferred over Fountains Abbey,) Sandal Castle, Scarborough Castle, Bernard Castle, and Minster Lovell. And one place that was a very pleasant surprise was Ashby De La Zouch Castle.
I also think you'd enjoy the Tower of London. You don't have to follow the guides. I never have. Just take off on your own and see the place at your leisure. And there's a small piece of the castle left at Nottingham, certainly more than at Fotheringhay, but most of the place is of a far later age.
Gilda

On Jan 11, 2014, at 8:18 PM, <justcarol67@...> <justcarol67@...> wrote:


As some of you know, I'll be in England for a self-guided Ricardian tour this summer (a birthday present from my very special sister). So far, my list of places to visit includes Fotheringhay, Ludlow, Middleham, York, Westminster (abbey or cathedral?), Crosby Place/Hall if we can get in (!), Windsor Castle, and Leicester. I'm not sure about Baynard's Castle, the Tower of London (I might have trouble tolerating the Beefeaters' spiel), and Nottingham. I don't suppose we need to see the Houses of Parliament except from the outside, which I've already done. I could add Richard's chapel for the dead of Towton if it's worth seeing.

A couple of questions that I should know the answers to but don't: Was Richard crowned at Westminster Abbey or Westminster Cathedral? And was Windsor Castle his primary residence as king (when he wasn't on progress or waiting for the Tydder)?

Have I forgotten any place important? Is anything on my list not worth seeing? Can we see all this in two weeks? If anyone wants to contact me offlist, please mention in your post that you're doing so as I seldom check my Yahoo e-mail.

The list is in roughly chronological order (birth to death) but the order would, of course, need to be changed to make sense geographically. I'm not sure whether to rent a car (and let my left-right-challenged sister drive!) or what for the places that can't be reached by train.

Which reminds me. My grandson may want to see the Richard III locomotive. Anyone know where it is? We also want to see Hadrian's Wall, not that it has anything to do with Richard.

We do have a travel agent, but she hasn't seen my full list of places to see yet.

Thanks in advance.

Carol




Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-14 17:18:13
Gilda Felt
I used the zoom on my camera to get a good look at the fireplace. The entire complex is well kept and interesting, though.
Gilda


On Jan 14, 2014, at 5:52 AM, Jonathan Evans wrote:


From: Gilda Felt <gildaevf@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 13 January 2014, 12:36
Subject: Re: My upcoming trip to England

> And one place that was a very pleasant surprise was Ashby De La Zouch Castle.

What a lovely thing to read! (I went to school at the Manor House next door, and the adjacent St Helen's Church with the Hastings Chapel is also worth a look).

Re the castle itself, if you take a pair of binoculars, you can still see a gorgeous fireplace emblazoned with roses and sunbursts towards the top of the Hastings Tower.

Jonathan


From: Gilda Felt <gildaevf@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 13 January 2014, 12:36
Subject: Re: My upcoming trip to England

Hi Carol,
As someone else has mentioned, the Wall is quite a distance from everything else, but, depending on the length of your stay, certainly doable. I've visited, and enjoyed, all the other places you've mentioned except Baynard's Castle, which doesn't exist anymore, and Windsor Castle. I did attempt a visit to Windsor this last August, but I really only wanted to see St George's chapel. The price, and the ridiculously long lines, changed my mind. Maybe if my next trip is off-season, I'll try again.
Some other places you might think of visiting (though some have no real Ricardian connection,) are Bosworth Battlefield, Sheriff Hutton, Tewksbury Abbey, Sudeley Castle, Skipton Castle, Rievaulx Abbey (which I preferred over Fountains Abbey,) Sandal Castle, Scarborough Castle, Bernard Castle, and Minster Lovell. And one place that was a very pleasant surprise was Ashby De La Zouch Castle.
I also think you'd enjoy the Tower of London. You don't have to follow the guides. I never have. Just take off on your own and see the place at your leisure. And there's a small piece of the castle left at Nottingham, certainly more than at Fotheringhay, but most of the place is of a far later age.
Gilda

On Jan 11, 2014, at 8:18 PM, <justcarol67@...> <justcarol67@...> wrote:


As some of you know, I'll be in England for a self-guided Ricardian tour this summer (a birthday present from my very special sister). So far, my list of places to visit includes Fotheringhay, Ludlow, Middleham, York, Westminster (abbey or cathedral?), Crosby Place/Hall if we can get in (!), Windsor Castle, and Leicester. I'm not sure about Baynard's Castle, the Tower of London (I might have trouble tolerating the Beefeaters' spiel), and Nottingham. I don't suppose we need to see the Houses of Parliament except from the outside, which I've already done. I could add Richard's chapel for the dead of Towton if it's worth seeing.

A couple of questions that I should know the answers to but don't: Was Richard crowned at Westminster Abbey or Westminster Cathedral? And was Windsor Castle his primary residence as king (when he wasn't on progress or waiting for the Tydder)?

Have I forgotten any place important? Is anything on my list not worth seeing? Can we see all this in two weeks? If anyone wants to contact me offlist, please mention in your post that you're doing so as I seldom check my Yahoo e-mail.

The list is in roughly chronological order (birth to death) but the order would, of course, need to be changed to make sense geographically. I'm not sure whether to rent a car (and let my left-right-challenged sister drive!) or what for the places that can't be reached by train.

Which reminds me. My grandson may want to see the Richard III locomotive. Anyone know where it is? We also want to see Hadrian's Wall, not that it has anything to do with Richard.

We do have a travel agent, but she hasn't seen my full list of places to see yet.

Thanks in advance.

Carol







Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-14 18:05:21
justcarol67


Liz wrote:

I've seen it advertised and since they all cost quite a bit to get in, suspect you would make at least a small saving.

Also, make sure you get an Oyster card (from any tube station) so you can just hop on and off buses, tubes, etc. Not only is it cheaper, many buses don't take cash these days!


Carol responds:

Thanks for the heads up. What's an Oyster card?

Carol

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-14 18:24:23
Gilda Felt
You might also think about getting a membership to English Heritage,
since many of these sites are under their auspices. If you're 60 or
older, an annual membership is only £37. I had just turned 60 before
my last visit, and the card saved me a lot of money.

Gilda



On Jan 14, 2014, at 4:54 AM, liz williams wrote:

> I've seen it advertised and since they all cost quite a bit to get
> in, suspect you would make at least a small saving.
>
> Also, make sure you get an Oyster card (from any tube station) so
> you can just hop on and off buses, tubes, etc. Not only is it
> cheaper, many buses don't take cash these days!
>
> Liz
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Mon, 13/1/14, justcarol67@... <justcarol67@...> wrote:
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> Thanks, Eileen. I'll bear your suggestions in mind and
> have already passed them on to my sister (who must be
> regretting her generous offer by now!).
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> By the way, does anyone know anything about a London Pass,
> which lets you see certain attractions (the Tower of London
> and the three Westminster buildings among them) free? I saw
> it advertised on a Jewel Tower website. Worth it or not?
>
> Carol
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Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-14 18:35:44
justcarol67
Jonathan wrote:

"If you do Bosworth first, you can buy an exquisite silver replica of the Bosworth Boar discovered by Glenn Foard's team.
<snip> And lastly, in the light of recent conversations, nip into the National Portrait Gallery (no entry fee) for 10 minutes to see the original of the NPG portrait.

Carol responds:

I did see the wonderful NPG portrait on a previous trip to England (1995, the year of the "heat wave"). I had the unforgettable experience of being locked in the National Portrait Gallery (I hadn't realized that they were closing) and had to search for a security guard to let me out!

Thanks for your other suggestions. I will definitely visit York.

Carol

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-14 21:56:28
liz williams
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/14836.aspx

It's a card that you use to pay fares on tube, bus and inner London trains. You top it up (put anything from £10 on it) and then just tap in and out when you start or end your journey (except on the bus when you only do it when you get on) It works out far more cheaply than buying separate tickets.
You can buy one at any tube station and you can top them up and add more money, again at any tube station, also in some shops. Liz
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Liz wrote:

I've seen it advertised and since they all cost quite a bit to get in, suspect you would make at least a small saving.

Also, make sure you get an Oyster card (from any tube station) so you can just hop on and off buses, tubes, etc. Not only is it cheaper, many buses don't take cash these days!


Carol responds:

Thanks for the heads up. What's an Oyster card?

Carol




Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-15 15:38:55
justcarol67
Gilda wrote:

You might also think about getting a membership to English Heritage,
since many of these sites are under their auspices. If you're 60 or
older, an annual membership is only £37. I had just turned 60 before
my last visit, and the card saved me a lot of money.

Carol responds:

Very good suggestion. I'll check into it. Thank you.

Carol



On Jan 14, 2014, at 4:54 AM, liz williams wrote:

> I've seen it advertised and since they all cost quite a bit to get
> in, suspect you would make at least a small saving.
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> Also, make sure you get an Oyster card (from any tube station) so
> you can just hop on and off buses, tubes, etc. Not only is it
> cheaper, many buses don't take cash these days!
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> Liz
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> On Mon, 13/1/14, justcarol67@... <justcarol67@...> wrote:
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> Thanks, Eileen. I'll bear your suggestions in mind and
> have already passed them on to my sister (who must be
> regretting her generous offer by now!).
>
> By the way, does anyone know anything about a London Pass,
> which lets you see certain attractions (the Tower of London
> and the three Westminster buildings among them) free? I saw
> it advertised on a Jewel Tower website. Worth it or not?
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Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-15 15:49:24
Pamela Bain
I did that yesterday, after the suggestion. For those of us, who are over 60, it is relatively inexpensive.
On Jan 15, 2014, at 9:39 AM, "justcarol67@..." <justcarol67@...> wrote:

Gilda wrote:


You might also think about getting a membership to English Heritage,
since many of these sites are under their auspices. If you're 60 or
older, an annual membership is only £37. I had just turned 60 before
my last visit, and the card saved me a lot of money.

Carol responds:

Very good suggestion. I'll check into it. Thank you.

Carol



On Jan 14, 2014, at 4:54 AM, liz williams wrote:

> I've seen it advertised and since they all cost quite a bit to get
> in, suspect you would make at least a small saving.
>
> Also, make sure you get an Oyster card (from any tube station) so
> you can just hop on and off buses, tubes, etc. Not only is it
> cheaper, many buses don't take cash these days!
>
> Liz
>
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> On Mon, 13/1/14, justcarol67@... <justcarol67@...> wrote:
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> Carol responds:
>
> Thanks, Eileen. I'll bear your suggestions in mind and
> have already passed them on to my sister (who must be
> regretting her generous offer by now!).
>
> By the way, does anyone know anything about a London Pass,
> which lets you see certain attractions (the Tower of London
> and the three Westminster buildings among them) free? I saw
> it advertised on a Jewel Tower website. Worth it or not?
>
> Carol
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Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-15 15:53:35
Hilary Jones
One tip for Westminster Abbey. Go on a guided walking tour: a. it's fun and you see backstreets you'd never have seen - the guides are really good, some are ex-barristers (lawyers used to pleading in Court). Don't worry it won't wear you out.b. you can get into the Abbey cheaply and via the back door. As others have said, the queues can be very off-putting and why pay more when you can get in for less and more quickly? I've done it, I'm English and it was really good With Warwick, like Eileen says don't pay to go in the castle which has been commercialised, but look at it and then go to the Church which costs nothing and will make you gasp. And, of course, as an English Lit buff you can use it as a base to visit Kenilworth (which Richard also visited on his Progress) and good old Stratford upon Avon to visit the Theatre, which is also unmissable. Hilary

On Tuesday, 14 January 2014, 18:05, "justcarol67@..." <justcarol67@...> wrote:

Liz wrote:

I've seen it advertised and since they all cost quite a bit to get in, suspect you would make at least a small saving.

Also, make sure you get an Oyster card (from any tube station) so you can just hop on and off buses, tubes, etc. Not only is it cheaper, many buses don't take cash these days!


Carol responds:

Thanks for the heads up. What's an Oyster card?

Carol


Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-15 18:16:41
EILEEN BATES
Yes agreed Hilary,,,the church is wonderful....and should not be missed.

Overall though I was a bit disappointed with the town...as most of it is Georgian...this is because Warwick had a 'Great Fire' as did London so not much medieval surviving. Apparently one of the places that the people gathered in for safety was the church...which thank God survived.
Eileen




--- In , Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...> wrote:
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> One tip for Westminster Abbey. Go on a guided walking tour:
>  
> a. it's fun and you see backstreets you'd never have seen - the guides are really good, some are ex-barristers (lawyers used to pleading in Court). Don't worry it won't wear you out.
> b. you can get into the Abbey cheaply and via the back door. As others have said, the queues can be very off-putting and why pay more when you can get in for less and more quickly? I've done it, I'm English and it was really good
>  
> With Warwick, like Eileen says don't pay to go in the castle which has been commercialised, but look at it and then go to the Church which costs nothing and will make you gasp. And, of course, as an English Lit buff you can use it as a base to visit Kenilworth (which  Richard also visited on his Progress) and good old Stratford upon Avon to visit the Theatre, which is also unmissable.  Hilary 
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> Thanks for the heads up. What's an Oyster card?
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Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-16 09:46:13
Hilary Jones
Eileen, Yes the town is like the Record Office - disappointing :) H

On Wednesday, 15 January 2014, 18:16, EILEEN BATES <eileenbates147@...> wrote:
Yes agreed Hilary,,,the church is wonderful....and should not be missed.

Overall though I was a bit disappointed with the town...as most of it is Georgian...this is because Warwick had a 'Great Fire' as did London so not much medieval surviving. Apparently one of the places that the people gathered in for safety was the church...which thank God survived.
Eileen

--- In , Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...> wrote:
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> One tip for Westminster Abbey. Go on a guided walking tour:
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> a. it's fun and you see backstreets you'd never have seen - the guides are really good, some are ex-barristers (lawyers used to pleading in Court). Don't worry it won't wear you out.
> b. you can get into the Abbey cheaply and via the back door. As others have said, the queues can be very off-putting and why pay more when you can get in for less and more quickly? I've done it, I'm English and it was really good
> Â
> With Warwick, like Eileen says don't pay to go in the castle which has been commercialised, but look at it and then go to the Church which costs nothing and will make you gasp. And, of course, as an English Lit buff you can use it as a base to visit Kenilworth (which  Richard also visited on his Progress) and good old Stratford upon Avon to visit the Theatre, which is also unmissable. HilaryÂ
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> Thanks for the heads up. What's an Oyster card?
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Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-16 13:53:46
mariewalsh2003
Marie replies:Personally I find Warwick a beautiful town. There are medieval buildings surviving, such as the Lord Leycester Hospital, which had been the Guildhall - you've just got to walk to the parts of town that escaped the fire; also, the fire was in the 1690s so there is much that is pre-Georgian - ie in traditional style. Try this link:https://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/sets/72157619882416193/ From the church I recommend walking down Church Street, then turn right along the High Street to the Lord Leycester Hospital, then back along Jury Street to the Eastgate and Smith Street. Warwick is also relatively unspoilt in the sense that it hasn't sprawled. The town's situation above a leafy loop of the Avon is idyllic and the castle is breathtakingly beautiful. You can take it all in from a boat trip on the river - or at least you used to be able to. Personally I much prefer Warwick to Stratford, which is very sprawling and the riverside area much more urban, tame and modern. I'm afraid I don't like the RSC building either.Warwick record office is a boring modern building outside the town centre, granted, but the documents it holds are far from disappointing, and the inside of the Shakespeare Centre archives in Stratford isn't much more inspiring.It's funny how different people can have such different takes on the same thing - it's like Richard's portraits.But, yes, I agree with both of you that the Beauchamp Chapel in St. Mary's church is the jewel of the town - just superb. We're so lucky to have it. Much of the medieval church was actually destroyed in the fire, and much of the other bits of it are a rebuild.Marie

Hilary wrote:Eileen, Yes the town is like the Record Office - disappointing :) H

On Wednesday, 15 January 2014, 18:16, EILEEN BATES <eileenbates147@...> wrote:
Yes agreed Hilary,,,the church is wonderful....and should not be missed.

Overall though I was a bit disappointed with the town...as most of it is Georgian...this is because Warwick had a 'Great Fire' as did London so not much medieval surviving. Apparently one of the places that the people gathered in for safety was the church...which thank God survived.
Eileen

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-16 14:10:56
Pamela Bain
Oh Marie, the photos are gorgeous. Thanks so much for posting the link. When I watched the Middleham CD, in the reconstruction (suggested, but not real) there were lovely little homes like those inside the walls of the castle. Sorry, being a provincial American, I had never realized that.
On Jan 16, 2014, at 7:53 AM, "mariewalsh2003" <[email protected]> wrote:

Marie replies: Personally I find Warwick a beautiful town. There are medieval buildings surviving, such as the Lord Leycester Hospital, which had been the Guildhall - you've just got to walk to the parts of town that escaped the fire; also, the fire was in the 1690s so there is much that is pre-Georgian - ie in traditional style. Try this link: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/sets/72157619882416193/ From the church I recommend walking down Church Street, then turn right along the High Street to the Lord Leycester Hospital, then back along Jury Street to the Eastgate and Smith Street. Warwick is also relatively unspoilt in the sense that it hasn't sprawled. The town's situation above a leafy loop of the Avon is idyllic and the castle is breathtakingly beautiful. You can take it all in from a boat trip on the river - or at least you used to be able to. Personally I much prefer Warwick to Stratford, which is very sprawling and the riverside area much more urban, tame and modern. I'm afraid I don't like the RSC building either. Warwick record office is a boring modern building outside the town centre, granted, but the documents it holds are far from disappointing, and the inside of the Shakespeare Centre archives in Stratford isn't much more inspiring. It's funny how different people can have such different takes on the same thing - it's like Richard's portraits. But, yes, I agree with both of you that the Beauchamp Chapel in St. Mary's church is the jewel of the town - just superb. We're so lucky to have it. Much of the medieval church was actually destroyed in the fire, and much of the other bits of it are a rebuild. Marie

Hilary wrote: Eileen, Yes the town is like the Record Office - disappointing :) H

On Wednesday, 15 January 2014, 18:16, EILEEN BATES <eileenbates147@...> wrote:
Yes agreed Hilary,,,the church is wonderful....and should not be missed.

Overall though I was a bit disappointed with the town...as most of it is Georgian...this is because Warwick had a 'Great Fire' as did London so not much medieval surviving. Apparently one of the places that the people gathered in for safety was the church...which thank God survived.
Eileen

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-16 17:25:14
Hilary Jones
Hi Marie Agree entirely about the view of the Avon! With regards to the Record Office - well building apart, it lacks the great buzz of ones like Oxford and Northants (my favourite) where there's a real excitement at what people are discovering (and a coffee shop). It's like stepping back 50 years - shh... and hand over all your goods before you go in and tell the teacher when you want to got to the toilet. And they are sadly short of things like wills; always the excuse that they all went missing etc etc, or perhaps they can't be bothered to dig 'em out. But that's just me. I always groan when I have to go to Warwick. H.

On Thursday, 16 January 2014, 14:11, Pamela Bain <pbain@...> wrote:
Oh Marie, the photos are gorgeous. Thanks so much for posting the link. When I watched the Middleham CD, in the reconstruction (suggested, but not real) there were lovely little homes like those inside the walls of the castle. Sorry, being a provincial American, I had never realized that.
On Jan 16, 2014, at 7:53 AM, "mariewalsh2003" <[email protected]> wrote:

Marie replies: Personally I find Warwick a beautiful town. There are medieval buildings surviving, such as the Lord Leycester Hospital, which had been the Guildhall - you've just got to walk to the parts of town that escaped the fire; also, the fire was in the 1690s so there is much that is pre-Georgian - ie in traditional style. Try this link: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/sets/72157619882416193/ From the church I recommend walking down Church Street, then turn right along the High Street to the Lord Leycester Hospital, then back along Jury Street to the Eastgate and Smith Street. Warwick is also relatively unspoilt in the sense that it hasn't sprawled. The town's situation above a leafy loop of the Avon is idyllic and the castle is breathtakingly beautiful. You can take it all in from a boat trip on the river - or at least you used to be able to. Personally I much prefer Warwick to Stratford, which is very sprawling and the riverside area much more urban, tame and modern. I'm afraid I don't like the RSC building either. Warwick record office is a boring modern building outside the town centre, granted, but the documents it holds are far from disappointing, and the inside of the Shakespeare Centre archives in Stratford isn't much more inspiring. It's funny how different people can have such different takes on the same thing - it's like Richard's portraits. But, yes, I agree with both of you that the Beauchamp Chapel in St. Mary's church is the jewel of the town - just superb. We're so lucky to have it. Much of the medieval church was actually destroyed in the fire, and much of the other bits of it are a rebuild. Marie

Hilary wrote: Eileen, Yes the town is like the Record Office - disappointing :) H

On Wednesday, 15 January 2014, 18:16, EILEEN BATES <eileenbates147@...> wrote:
Yes agreed Hilary,,,the church is wonderful....and should not be missed.

Overall though I was a bit disappointed with the town...as most of it is Georgian...this is because Warwick had a 'Great Fire' as did London so not much medieval surviving. Apparently one of the places that the people gathered in for safety was the church...which thank God survived.
Eileen


Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-16 19:19:00
Sharon Feely
Just a note on English Heritage - if you are under 60, the annual membership is £48. Most castles (including Middleham) cost about £4.50-£5.00. You need to visit a lot of properties to even break even, let alone be in profit! I was a member of EH for many years but have stopped this year, purely because I'm actually worse off by being a member than by paying admission to individual properties. Obviously some are more than others, but generally the properties associated with Richard are all around the £5 mark. The Yorkshire Museum in York also sells replica boar badges. I've got one myself and proudly wear it everywhere. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: Pamela Bain To: <> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 3:49 PM Subject: Re: My upcoming trip to England

I did that yesterday, after the suggestion. For those of us, who are over 60, it is relatively inexpensive.
On Jan 15, 2014, at 9:39 AM, "justcarol67@..." <justcarol67@...> wrote:

Gilda wrote:


You might also think about getting a membership to English Heritage,
since many of these sites are under their auspices. If you're 60 or
older, an annual membership is only £37. I had just turned 60 before
my last visit, and the card saved me a lot of money.

Carol responds:

Very good suggestion. I'll check into it. Thank you.

Carol



On Jan 14, 2014, at 4:54 AM, liz williams wrote:

> I've seen it advertised and since they all cost quite a bit to get
> in, suspect you would make at least a small saving.
>
> Also, make sure you get an Oyster card (from any tube station) so
> you can just hop on and off buses, tubes, etc. Not only is it
> cheaper, many buses don't take cash these days!
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> Liz
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> On Mon, 13/1/14, justcarol67@... <justcarol67@...> wrote:
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> Thanks, Eileen. I'll bear your suggestions in mind and
> have already passed them on to my sister (who must be
> regretting her generous offer by now!).
>
> By the way, does anyone know anything about a London Pass,
> which lets you see certain attractions (the Tower of London
> and the three Westminster buildings among them) free? I saw
> it advertised on a Jewel Tower website. Worth it or not?
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Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-16 20:24:41
mariewalsh2003
Hilary wrote:Hi Marie Agree entirely about the view of the Avon! With regards to the Record Office - well building apart, it lacks the great buzz of ones like Oxford and Northants (my favourite) where there's a real excitement at what people are discovering (and a coffee shop). It's like stepping back 50 years - shh... and hand over all your goods before you go in and tell the teacher when you want to got to the toilet. And they are sadly short of things like wills; always the excuse that they all went missing etc etc, or perhaps they can't be bothered to dig 'em out. But that's just me. I always groan when I have to go to Warwick. H.
Marie now:Hi Hilary. I know what you mean about the protocols in the Warwick Record Office. You can't even take the documents you've finished with back to the admin desk - they can only be handled by staff. But in some ways that is good. At the Shakespeare Centre I was left to get on with prising open very brittle, fragile rolls all on my own - they just don't want to help, whereas I found the staff at Warwick very friendly. I don't know the Oxford Record Office, but I once visited the one in Northampton and I did like it - one of the archivists was really helpful when I couldn't find the document I wanted in the box it was supposed to be in. He went through the whole lot himself just to be sure, then suggested other ways I could come at the problem.I don't think Warwick RO are responsible for not having wills - they really don't seem to have survived. The wills were of course kept by the diocese until recent times, and in different dioceses, and different archdeaconries, they survive from different dates; we simply don't have 15thC wills for all areas. The worst case I know of is that ALL the old wills for the dioceses of Exeter and Salisbury (or was it Bath and Wells?) disappeared during World War II because they were kept in a room attached to Exeter Cathedral which took a direct hit from the Luftwaffe. Tragic. We just have to make do with what we have.

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-17 12:47:58
Gilda Felt
I was looking around at the site, and found that there's an overseas visitor's pass for either £24 (9 days,) or £28 (16 days.) There's also a family pack.
http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/daysout/overseas-visitor-pass/
Gilda




On Jan 15, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Sharon Feely wrote:


Just a note on English Heritage - if you are under 60, the annual membership is £48. Most castles (including Middleham) cost about £4.50-£5.00. You need to visit a lot of properties to even break even, let alone be in profit! I was a member of EH for many years but have stopped this year, purely because I'm actually worse off by being a member than by paying admission to individual properties. Obviously some are more than others, but generally the properties associated with Richard are all around the £5 mark. The Yorkshire Museum in York also sells replica boar badges. I've got one myself and proudly wear it everywhere. Sharon ----- Original Message -----From: Pamela BainTo: <>Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 3:49 PMSubject: Re: My upcoming trip to England

I did that yesterday, after the suggestion. For those of us, who are over 60, it is relatively inexpensive.
On Jan 15, 2014, at 9:39 AM, "justcarol67@..." <justcarol67@...> wrote:

Gilda wrote:


You might also think about getting a membership to English Heritage,
since many of these sites are under their auspices. If you're 60 or
older, an annual membership is only £37. I had just turned 60 before
my last visit, and the card saved me a lot of money.

Carol responds:

Very good suggestion. I'll check into it. Thank you.

Carol



On Jan 14, 2014, at 4:54 AM, liz williams wrote:

> I've seen it advertised and since they all cost quite a bit to get
> in, suspect you would make at least a small saving.
>
> Also, make sure you get an Oyster card (from any tube station) so
> you can just hop on and off buses, tubes, etc. Not only is it
> cheaper, many buses don't take cash these days!
>
> Liz
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> On Mon, 13/1/14, justcarol67@... <justcarol67@...> wrote:
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> Thanks, Eileen. I'll bear your suggestions in mind and
> have already passed them on to my sister (who must be
> regretting her generous offer by now!).
>
> By the way, does anyone know anything about a London Pass,
> which lets you see certain attractions (the Tower of London
> and the three Westminster buildings among them) free? I saw
> it advertised on a Jewel Tower website. Worth it or not?
>
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My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-18 15:12:16
Douglas Eugene Stamate
Carol wrote: //snip// "I have no doubt that driving in England will be a challenge given that both the steering wheel and the driving lan(e)(?) are the opposite of what we're used to. I would be nervous driving on the "wrong" side of the road, my sister is ambidextrous and has always had problems distinguishing right form left, and grandson is finally attempting to get his driver's permit after putting it off for five years but has yet to pass the test. So the challenge will probably involve finding a driver who doesn't charge more than we can afford. Or maybe we cand buses (like the so-called Oxford Tube, only we're not going to Oxford) to take us to the places without trains." //snip// Doug here: To avoid having to practice driving in the left lane while sitting on the "wrong" side of the car immedaitely upon arrival (I presume you'll be flying into Heathrow or Gatwick?), perhaps it will possible to go by train to your first destination, rent a car *there* and "practice on some side streets for an bit? Fuel's a bit expensive, but not having to rely on public transport might more than balance *that* out. FWIW, I've driven both left- and right-hand drive cars in the UK and, after the first hour or so, never had any problems; although I must admit round-abouts were a bit daunting (but then, they make me a bit nervous even here in the States!). I used taxis (more in Scotland than England) and, if the distance isn't *too* great, that may be a viable alternative. Don't know what taxis cost *now* unfortunately as it's been two decades since my last visit. Doug (who also highly recommends stopping at a "local" for a pint at least once!) Anyway, whether by trains, buses,

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-18 18:40:04
justcarol67
Doug wrote:

"To avoid having to practice driving in the left lane while sitting on the "wrong" side of the car immedaitely upon arrival (I presume you'll be flying into Heathrow or Gatwick?), perhaps it will possible to go by train to your first destination, rent a car *there* and "practice on some side streets for an bit? Fuel's a bit expensive, but not having to rely on public transport might more than balance *that* out. FWIW, I've driven both left- and right-hand drive cars in the UK and, after the first hour or so, never had any problems; although I must admit round-abouts were a bit daunting (but then, they make me a bit nervous even here in the States!). I used taxis (more in Scotland than England) and, if the distance isn't *too* great, that may be a viable alternative. Don't know what taxis cost *now* unfortunately as it's been two decades since my last visit."

Carol responds:

Thanks, Doug, but we've now resolved to hire a driver as needed rather than take our lives (and those of innocent sharers of the road) into our own hands. By the way, I love London's "tube" system. So easy to use that I, an Arizonan who had never ridden an underground train in my life, had no difficulty using it when I visited in 1995--if you don't count the alternately scheduled "tube" and bus strikes that summer.

Carol

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-01-18 19:11:23
Pamela Bain
I absolutely agree Carol, and Doug, with you as well. My first trip to London was harrowing just being a pedestrian. I always looked the wrong way for traffic. Love the tube and railroads, in the cities. We have used drivers for excursions as well. It was so nice to have someone who knew the roads, and how to drive them, while we took in the scenery and did not have to worry. I would love a month or two to stay in several locations for a time, so we could see all that we wanted to, on leisure, and also begin to feel "at home"! Also the discussions of the portraits is wonderful, as are the speculations on TR, and they it affected later generations. So much to ponder....thank you all.
On Jan 18, 2014, at 12:40 PM, "justcarol67@..." <justcarol67@...> wrote:

Doug wrote:


"To avoid having to practice driving in the left lane while sitting on the "wrong" side of the car immedaitely upon arrival (I presume you'll be flying into Heathrow or Gatwick?), perhaps it will possible to go by train to your first destination, rent a car *there* and "practice on some side streets for an bit? Fuel's a bit expensive, but not having to rely on public transport might more than balance *that* out. FWIW, I've driven both left- and right-hand drive cars in the UK and, after the first hour or so, never had any problems; although I must admit round-abouts were a bit daunting (but then, they make me a bit nervous even here in the States!). I used taxis (more in Scotland than England) and, if the distance isn't *too* great, that may be a viable alternative. Don't know what taxis cost *now* unfortunately as it's been two decades since my last visit."

Carol responds:

Thanks, Doug, but we've now resolved to hire a driver as needed rather than take our lives (and those of innocent sharers of the road) into our own hands. By the way, I love London's "tube" system. So easy to use that I, an Arizonan who had never ridden an underground train in my life, had no difficulty using it when I visited in 1995--if you don't count the alternately scheduled "tube" and bus strikes that summer.

Carol

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-02-06 21:00:45
peter\_gahan

Carol,


When visiting Fotheringhay, visit the market town of Oundle, Its about 5 miles away and is gorgeous to look at. A famous school is in it and both town and school have beautiful buildings. If you can fit it in, go and stay at or have a meal at the Talbot Hotel. It has a staircase from Fotheringhay Castle in it, and ask about Mary Queen of Scots ring mark in it.


Pete.

Re: My upcoming trip to England

2014-02-08 18:12:14
justcarol67
Pete wrote:

"When visiting Fotheringhay, visit the market town of Oundle, Its about 5 miles away and is gorgeous to look at. A famous school is in it and both town and school have beautiful buildings. If you can fit it in, go and stay at or have a meal at the Talbot Hotel. It has a staircase from Fotheringhay Castle in it, and ask about Mary Queen of Scots ring mark in it."


Carol responds:


Thanks, Pete. We're in the process of rethinking our itinerary. It seems we have only eight days!


Carol

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