VIDEO: Tony Robinson Fact or Fiction: R3 & Princes in the Tower

Video that originally aired Feb 2. available for viewing online IN BRITAIN ONLY, on Channel 4's official site:

Tony Robinson sifts the facts from the fiction about one of Britain's most maligned monarchs, Richard III. Did he really murder his two young nephews before usurping the throne?

I can't view this, so I don't know if the content is pro or con.

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/fact-or-fiction/4od

Tiny URL:

http://tinyurl.com/mph5zot

~Weds

--
None of us can have as many virtues as the fountain-pen, or half its cussedness; but we can try - Mark Twain

Wednesday,
Thank you for sharing this link.I have always liked Tony Robinson and his style of presenting.In the video he says lots of good things about Richard until Edward iv's death.Then it's a bit hit and miss...various conclusions/opinions seem to believe that Richard did kill the boys because Edward iv was illegitimate and that Richard was the rightful King.So parts of it were good and other parts a bit out of order.Very interesting though.If Tony does think that Richard was a murderer then it's probably best he didn't present the search for Richard.I find it hard to equate that Richard is thought no worse of than those of his times.He seems to me to be the best of all and therefore was a threat to those who did not aspire to the same ideals.Long may he rest in peace.x
Kathryn


--- In , Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@...> wrote:
>
> Video that originally aired Feb 2. available for viewing online IN BRITAIN
> ONLY, on Channel 4's official site:
>
> Tony Robinson sifts the facts from the fiction about one of Britain's most
> maligned monarchs, Richard III. Did he really murder his two young nephews
> before usurping the throne?
>
> I can't view this, so I don't know if the content is pro or con.
>
> http://www.channel4.com/programmes/fact-or-fiction/4od
>
> Tiny URL:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/mph5zot
> ~Weds
>
> --
> "None of us can have as many virtues as the fountain-pen, or half its
> cussedness; but we can try" - Mark Twain
>

I wondered who out there was a fan of Tony Robinson, as I can never
figure it out, [ him as Baldrick apart that is]. His documentaries have
always been more about Tony Robinson than the subject matter they
purport to be about.
His Richard film was rather badly researched I thought, and he seemed to
care little of him.
Why make a film about something unless you are passionate about it?
Look at Mary Beard's enthusiasm for all things Roman, or Michael Woods
and the Anglo Saxons?
With Tony Robinson I always feel it is just a good excuse for a nice
jaunt somewhere for him and his crew.

I can imagine a past conversation. Edward IV illegitimate? Who cares?
Well imagine who would be king if he had been? Modern descendant is an
Australian Tony. Oh great, we can get a trip to Australia out of it!
Count me in!
Paul



On 25/01/2014 01:27, kathryng56@... wrote:
> Wednesday,
> Thank you for sharing this link.I have always liked Tony Robinson and his style of presenting.In the video he says lots of good things about Richard until Edward iv's death.Then it's a bit hit and miss...various conclusions/opinions seem to believe that Richard did kill the boys because Edward iv was illegitimate and that Richard was the rightful King.So parts of it were good and other parts a bit out of order.Very interesting though.If Tony does think that Richard was a murderer then it's probably best he didn't present the search for Richard.I find it hard to equate that Richard is thought no worse of than those of his times.He seems to me to be the best of all and therefore was a threat to those who did not aspire to the same ideals.Long may he rest in peace.x
> Kathryn
>
>
> --- In , Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@...> wrote:
>> Video that originally aired Feb 2. available for viewing online IN BRITAIN
>> ONLY, on Channel 4's official site:
>>
>> Tony Robinson sifts the facts from the fiction about one of Britain's most
>> maligned monarchs, Richard III. Did he really murder his two young nephews
>> before usurping the throne?
>>
>> I can't view this, so I don't know if the content is pro or con.
>>
>> http://www.channel4.com/programmes/fact-or-fiction/4od
>>
>> Tiny URL:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/mph5zot
>> ~Weds
>>
>> --
>> "None of us can have as many virtues as the fountain-pen, or half its
>> cussedness; but we can try" - Mark Twain
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo Groups Links
>
>
>
>


--
Richard Liveth Yet!

Hi Paul,
Sorry you think that way about Tony.I have always enjoyed both his acting roles and his presentations and I'm sure his enthusiasm for archeology is genuine.

It would be interesting if he and the society could combine forces and do a documentry on the life of Richard 111...perhaps he might be a bit more favourable if he was more aware of the research that the society is doing.

Mary and Michael are both amazing historians and presenters and I have always enjoyed their work too.

long may they all continue to entertain.

Kathryn

--- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:
>
> I wondered who out there was a fan of Tony Robinson, as I can never
> figure it out, [ him as Baldrick apart that is]. His documentaries have
> always been more about Tony Robinson than the subject matter they
> purport to be about.
> His Richard film was rather badly researched I thought, and he seemed to
> care little of him.
> Why make a film about something unless you are passionate about it?
> Look at Mary Beard's enthusiasm for all things Roman, or Michael Woods
> and the Anglo Saxons?
> With Tony Robinson I always feel it is just a good excuse for a nice
> jaunt somewhere for him and his crew.
>
> I can imagine a past conversation. Edward IV illegitimate? Who cares?
> Well imagine who would be king if he had been? Modern descendant is an
> Australian Tony. Oh great, we can get a trip to Australia out of it!
> Count me in!
> Paul
>
>
>
> On 25/01/2014 01:27, kathryng56@... wrote:
> > Wednesday,
> > Thank you for sharing this link.I have always liked Tony Robinson and his style of presenting.In the video he says lots of good things about Richard until Edward iv's death.Then it's a bit hit and miss...various conclusions/opinions seem to believe that Richard did kill the boys because Edward iv was illegitimate and that Richard was the rightful King.So parts of it were good and other parts a bit out of order.Very interesting though.If Tony does think that Richard was a murderer then it's probably best he didn't present the search for Richard.I find it hard to equate that Richard is thought no worse of than those of his times.He seems to me to be the best of all and therefore was a threat to those who did not aspire to the same ideals.Long may he rest in peace.x
> > Kathryn
> >
> >
> > --- In , Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
> >> Video that originally aired Feb 2. available for viewing online IN BRITAIN
> >> ONLY, on Channel 4's official site:
> >>
> >> Tony Robinson sifts the facts from the fiction about one of Britain's most
> >> maligned monarchs, Richard III. Did he really murder his two young nephews
> >> before usurping the throne?
> >>
> >> I can't view this, so I don't know if the content is pro or con.
> >>
> >> http://www.channel4.com/programmes/fact-or-fiction/4od
> >>
> >> Tiny URL:
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/mph5zot
> >> ~Weds
> >>
> >> --
> >> "None of us can have as many virtues as the fountain-pen, or half its
> >> cussedness; but we can try" - Mark Twain
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>

Come folks it's Sir Tony now!:) I have to say although he's arrogant he is quite watchable but how much is his own knowledge is another thing. I loved the 'guy in the jumper' who sadly died quite recently. I do think Time Team might have put a bit more money into the dig, but as they explained, the time constraints from Leicester Council were too tight - one now wonders why?!! H.

On Saturday, 25 January 2014, 14:59, "kathryng56@..." <kathryng56@...> wrote:
Hi Paul,
Sorry you think that way about Tony.I have always enjoyed both his acting roles and his presentations and I'm sure his enthusiasm for archeology is genuine.

It would be interesting if he and the society could combine forces and do a documentry on the life of Richard 111...perhaps he might be a bit more favourable if he was more aware of the research that the society is doing.

Mary and Michael are both amazing historians and presenters and I have always enjoyed their work too.

long may they all continue to entertain.

Kathryn

--- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:
>
> I wondered who out there was a fan of Tony Robinson, as I can never
> figure it out, [ him as Baldrick apart that is]. His documentaries have
> always been more about Tony Robinson than the subject matter they
> purport to be about.
> His Richard film was rather badly researched I thought, and he seemed to
> care little of him.
> Why make a film about something unless you are passionate about it?
> Look at Mary Beard's enthusiasm for all things Roman, or Michael Woods
> and the Anglo Saxons?
> With Tony Robinson I always feel it is just a good excuse for a nice
> jaunt somewhere for him and his crew.
>
> I can imagine a past conversation. Edward IV illegitimate? Who cares?
> Well imagine who would be king if he had been? Modern descendant is an
> Australian Tony. Oh great, we can get a trip to Australia out of it!
> Count me in!
> Paul
>
>
>
> On 25/01/2014 01:27, kathryng56@... wrote:
> > Wednesday,
> > Thank you for sharing this link.I have always liked Tony Robinson and his style of presenting.In the video he says lots of good things about Richard until Edward iv's death.Then it's a bit hit and miss...various conclusions/opinions seem to believe that Richard did kill the boys because Edward iv was illegitimate and that Richard was the rightful King.So parts of it were good and other parts a bit out of order.Very interesting though.If Tony does think that Richard was a murderer then it's probably best he didn't present the search for Richard.I find it hard to equate that Richard is thought no worse of than those of his times.He seems to me to be the best of all and therefore was a threat to those who did not aspire to the same ideals.Long may he rest in peace.x
> > Kathryn
> >
> >
> > --- In , Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
> >> Video that originally aired Feb 2. available for viewing online IN BRITAIN
> >> ONLY, on Channel 4's official site:
> >>
> >> Tony Robinson sifts the facts from the fiction about one of Britain's most
> >> maligned monarchs, Richard III. Did he really murder his two young nephews
> >> before usurping the throne?
> >>
> >> I can't view this, so I don't know if the content is pro or con.
> >>
> >> http://www.channel4.com/programmes/fact-or-fiction/4od
> >>
> >> Tiny URL:
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/mph5zot
> >> ~Weds
> >>
> >> --
> >> "None of us can have as many virtues as the fountain-pen, or half its
> >> cussedness; but we can try" - Mark Twain
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>

That's interesting Hilary. I heard some time ago that JAH said Time Team turned it down because they didn't think they would find anything in three days. From: Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...>

Come folks it's Sir Tony now!:) I have to say although he's arrogant he is quite watchable but how much is his own knowledge is another thing. I loved the 'guy in the jumper' who sadly died quite recently. I do think Time Team might have put a bit more money into the dig, but as they explained, the time constraints from Leicester Council were too tight - one now wonders why?!! H.

On Saturday, 25 January 2014, 14:59, "kathryng56@..." <kathryng56@...> wrote:
Hi Paul,
Sorry you think that way about Tony.I have always enjoyed both his acting roles and his presentations and I'm sure his enthusiasm for archeology is genuine.

It would be interesting if he and the society could combine forces and do a documentry on the life of Richard 111...perhaps he might be a bit more favourable if he was more aware of the research that the society is doing.

Mary and Michael are both amazing historians and presenters and I have always enjoyed their work too.

long may they all continue to entertain.

Kathryn

--- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:
>
> I wondered who out there was a fan of Tony Robinson, as I can never
> figure it out, [ him as Baldrick apart that is]. His documentaries have
> always been more about Tony Robinson than the subject matter they
> purport to be about.
> His Richard film was rather badly researched I thought, and he seemed to
> care little of him.
> Why make a film about something unless you are passionate about it?
> Look at Mary Beard's enthusiasm for all things Roman, or Michael Woods
> and the Anglo Saxons?
> With Tony Robinson I always feel it is just a good excuse for a nice
> jaunt somewhere for him and his crew.
>
> I can imagine a past conversation. Edward IV illegitimate? Who cares?
> Well imagine who would be king if he had been? Modern descendant is an
> Australian Tony. Oh great, we can get a trip to Australia out of it!
> Count me in!
> Paul
>
>
>
> On 25/01/2014 01:27, kathryng56@... wrote:
> > Wednesday,
> > Thank you for sharing this link.I have always liked Tony Robinson and his style of presenting.In the video he says lots of good things about Richard until Edward iv's death.Then it's a bit hit and miss...various conclusions/opinions seem to believe that Richard did kill the boys because Edward iv was illegitimate and that Richard was the rightful King.So parts of it were good and other parts a bit out of order.Very interesting though.If Tony does think that Richard was a murderer then it's probably best he didn't present the search for Richard.I find it hard to equate that Richard is thought no worse of than those of his times.He seems to me to be the best of all and therefore was a threat to those who did not aspire to the same ideals.Long may he rest in peace.x
> > Kathryn
> >
> >
> > --- In , Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
> >> Video that originally aired Feb 2. available for viewing online IN BRITAIN
> >> ONLY, on Channel 4's official site:
> >>
> >> Tony Robinson sifts the facts from the fiction about one of Britain's most
> >> maligned monarchs, Richard III. Did he really murder his two young nephews
> >> before usurping the throne?
> >>
> >> I can't view this, so I don't know if the content is pro or con.
> >>
> >> http://www.channel4.com/programmes/fact-or-fiction/4od
> >>
> >> Tiny URL:
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/mph5zot
> >> ~Weds
> >>
> >> --
> >> "None of us can have as many virtues as the fountain-pen, or half its
> >> cussedness; but we can try" - Mark Twain
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>

Yes it's in the Jones/Langley book Pamela. I think Philippa approached them more than once but it was too difficult a speculation for them and the Council was being difficult about the carpark. How I bet they regret they turned it down. H.

On Monday, 27 January 2014, 10:56, Pamela Furmidge <pamela.furmidge@...> wrote:

That's interesting Hilary. I heard some time ago that JAH said Time Team turned it down because they didn't think they would find anything in three days. From: Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...>

Come folks it's Sir Tony now!:) I have to say although he's arrogant he is quite watchable but how much is his own knowledge is another thing. I loved the 'guy in the jumper' who sadly died quite recently. I do think Time Team might have put a bit more money into the dig, but as they explained, the time constraints from Leicester Council were too tight - one now wonders why?!! H.

On Saturday, 25 January 2014, 14:59, "kathryng56@..." <kathryng56@...> wrote:
Hi Paul,
Sorry you think that way about Tony.I have always enjoyed both his acting roles and his presentations and I'm sure his enthusiasm for archeology is genuine.

It would be interesting if he and the society could combine forces and do a documentry on the life of Richard 111...perhaps he might be a bit more favourable if he was more aware of the research that the society is doing.

Mary and Michael are both amazing historians and presenters and I have always enjoyed their work too.

long may they all continue to entertain.

Kathryn

--- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:
>
> I wondered who out there was a fan of Tony Robinson, as I can never
> figure it out, [ him as Baldrick apart that is]. His documentaries have
> always been more about Tony Robinson than the subject matter they
> purport to be about.
> His Richard film was rather badly researched I thought, and he seemed to
> care little of him.
> Why make a film about something unless you are passionate about it?
> Look at Mary Beard's enthusiasm for all things Roman, or Michael Woods
> and the Anglo Saxons?
> With Tony Robinson I always feel it is just a good excuse for a nice
> jaunt somewhere for him and his crew.
>
> I can imagine a past conversation. Edward IV illegitimate? Who cares?
> Well imagine who would be king if he had been? Modern descendant is an
> Australian Tony. Oh great, we can get a trip to Australia out of it!
> Count me in!
> Paul
>
>
>
> On 25/01/2014 01:27, kathryng56@... wrote:
> > Wednesday,
> > Thank you for sharing this link.I have always liked Tony Robinson and his style of presenting.In the video he says lots of good things about Richard until Edward iv's death.Then it's a bit hit and miss...various conclusions/opinions seem to believe that Richard did kill the boys because Edward iv was illegitimate and that Richard was the rightful King.So parts of it were good and other parts a bit out of order.Very interesting though.If Tony does think that Richard was a murderer then it's probably best he didn't present the search for Richard.I find it hard to equate that Richard is thought no worse of than those of his times.He seems to me to be the best of all and therefore was a threat to those who did not aspire to the same ideals.Long may he rest in peace.x
> > Kathryn
> >
> >
> > --- In , Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
> >> Video that originally aired Feb 2. available for viewing online IN BRITAIN
> >> ONLY, on Channel 4's official site:
> >>
> >> Tony Robinson sifts the facts from the fiction about one of Britain's most
> >> maligned monarchs, Richard III. Did he really murder his two young nephews
> >> before usurping the throne?
> >>
> >> I can't view this, so I don't know if the content is pro or con.
> >>
> >> http://www.channel4.com/programmes/fact-or-fiction/4od
> >>
> >> Tiny URL:
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/mph5zot
> >> ~Weds
> >>
> >> --
> >> "None of us can have as many virtues as the fountain-pen, or half its
> >> cussedness; but we can try" - Mark Twain
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>

I'll bet they do! I had that book for Christmas, but it is still languishing in my ever-increasing TBR pile! I am reading Horrox at the moment and it is completely fascinating!
From: Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...>
Yes it's in the Jones/Langley book Pamela. I think Philippa approached them more than once but it was too difficult a speculation for them and the Council was being difficult about the carpark. How I bet they regret they turned it down. H.

On Monday, 27 January 2014, 10:56, Pamela Furmidge <pamela.furmidge@...> wrote:

That's interesting Hilary. I heard some time ago that JAH said Time Team turned it down because they didn't think they would find anything in three days. From: Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...>

Come folks it's Sir Tony now!:) I have to say although he's arrogant he is quite watchable but how much is his own knowledge is another thing. I loved the 'guy in the jumper' who sadly died quite recently. I do think Time Team might have put a bit more money into the dig, but as they explained, the time constraints from Leicester Council were too tight - one now wonders why?!! H.

On Saturday, 25 January 2014, 14:59, "kathryng56@..." <kathryng56@...> wrote:
Hi Paul,
Sorry you think that way about Tony.I have always enjoyed both his acting roles and his presentations and I'm sure his enthusiasm for archeology is genuine.

It would be interesting if he and the society could combine forces and do a documentry on the life of Richard 111...perhaps he might be a bit more favourable if he was more aware of the research that the society is doing.

Mary and Michael are both amazing historians and presenters and I have always enjoyed their work too.

long may they all continue to entertain.

Kathryn

--- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:
>
> I wondered who out there was a fan of Tony Robinson, as I can never
> figure it out, [ him as Baldrick apart that is]. His documentaries have
> always been more about Tony Robinson than the subject matter they
> purport to be about.
> His Richard film was rather badly researched I thought, and he seemed to
> care little of him.
> Why make a film about something unless you are passionate about it?
> Look at Mary Beard's enthusiasm for all things Roman, or Michael Woods
> and the Anglo Saxons?
> With Tony Robinson I always feel it is just a good excuse for a nice
> jaunt somewhere for him and his crew.
>
> I can imagine a past conversation. Edward IV illegitimate? Who cares?
> Well imagine who would be king if he had been? Modern descendant is an
> Australian Tony. Oh great, we can get a trip to Australia out of it!
> Count me in!
> Paul
>
>
>
> On 25/01/2014 01:27, kathryng56@... wrote:
> > Wednesday,
> > Thank you for sharing this link.I have always liked Tony Robinson and his style of presenting.In the video he says lots of good things about Richard until Edward iv's death.Then it's a bit hit and miss...various conclusions/opinions seem to believe that Richard did kill the boys because Edward iv was illegitimate and that Richard was the rightful King.So parts of it were good and other parts a bit out of order.Very interesting though.If Tony does think that Richard was a murderer then it's probably best he didn't present the search for Richard.I find it hard to equate that Richard is thought no worse of than those of his times.He seems to me to be the best of all and therefore was a threat to those who did not aspire to the same ideals.Long may he rest in peace.x
> > Kathryn
> >
> >
> > --- In , Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
> >> Video that originally aired Feb 2. available for viewing online IN BRITAIN
> >> ONLY, on Channel 4's official site:
> >>
> >> Tony Robinson sifts the facts from the fiction about one of Britain's most
> >> maligned monarchs, Richard III. Did he really murder his two young nephews
> >> before usurping the throne?
> >>
> >> I can't view this, so I don't know if the content is pro or con.
> >>
> >> http://www.channel4.com/programmes/fact-or-fiction/4od
> >>
> >> Tiny URL:
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/mph5zot
> >> ~Weds
> >>
> >> --
> >> "None of us can have as many virtues as the fountain-pen, or half its
> >> cussedness; but we can try" - Mark Twain
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>

Mick Aston was the white haired gentleman in the jumper,Phil Harding is the chap with the hat and the lady with the long blonde hair is Carenza Lewis,all eminent in their own particular fields of archaeology.The programme seems not to have had any other option but to turn Philippa's request down.Personally I would have loved them to have been involved.Like them or not they have had a tremendous influence in popularising modern archeology.I do not regard (Sir)Tony Robinson as arrogant,he always comes across as very enthusiastic to me.With the amount of archaeology that he has been involved with it must surely mean that he is restricted to the amount of time for his own personal research and therefore has to rely on experts etc at least some of the time.Who can be known to be wrong on occasions.If Tony has the wrong impression about Richard it might be nice for someone with the relevant knowledge which shows Richard more positively to contact Tony and offer to share that information.The more people who are aware of Richard and all his good qualities the better and Tony would make a fabulous ambassador with the general public.

Hope this doesn't sound nasty or upset anyone...it's not meant that way.

Best wishes to all
Kathryn

--- In , Pamela Furmidge <pamela.furmidge@...> wrote:
>
> I'll bet they do!  I had that book for Christmas, but it is still languishing in my ever-increasing TBR pile!  I am reading Horrox at the moment and it is completely fascinating!
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...>
>
>  
> Yes it's in the Jones/Langley book Pamela. I think Philippa approached them more than once but it was too difficult a speculation for them and the Council was being difficult about the carpark. How I bet they regret they turned it down. H. 
>
>
>
> On Monday, 27 January 2014, 10:56, Pamela Furmidge <pamela.furmidge@...> wrote:
>
>  
>
>
> That's interesting Hilary.  I heard some time ago that JAH said Time Team turned it down because they didn't think they would find anything in three days.  
> From: Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...>
>
>
>
>  
> Come folks it's Sir Tony now!:) I have to say although he's arrogant he is quite watchable but how much is his own knowledge is another thing. I loved the 'guy in the jumper' who sadly died quite recently. I do think Time Team might have put a bit more money into the dig, but as they explained, the time constraints from Leicester Council were too tight - one now wonders why?!!  H. 
>
>
>
> On Saturday, 25 January 2014, 14:59, "kathryng56@..." <kathryng56@...> wrote:
>
>  
> Hi Paul,
> Sorry you think that way about Tony.I have always enjoyed both his acting roles and his presentations and I'm sure his enthusiasm for archeology is genuine.
>
> It would be interesting if he and the society could combine forces and do a documentry on the life of Richard 111...perhaps he might be a bit more favourable if he was more aware of the research that the society is doing.
>
> Mary and Michael are both amazing historians and presenters and I have always enjoyed their work too.
>
> long may they all continue to entertain.
>
> Kathryn
>
> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> >
> > I wondered who out there was a fan of Tony Robinson, as I can never
> > figure it out, [ him as Baldrick apart that is]. His documentaries have
> > always been more about Tony Robinson than the subject matter they
> > purport to be about.
> > His Richard film was rather badly researched I thought, and he seemed to
> > care little of him.
> > Why make a film about something unless you are passionate about it?
> > Look at Mary Beard's enthusiasm for all things Roman, or Michael Woods
> > and the Anglo Saxons?
> > With Tony Robinson I always feel it is just a good excuse for a nice
> > jaunt somewhere for him and his crew.
> >
> > I can imagine a past conversation. Edward IV illegitimate? Who cares?
> > Well imagine who would be king if he had been? Modern descendant is an
> > Australian Tony. Oh great, we can get a trip to Australia out of it!
> > Count me in!
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> > On 25/01/2014 01:27, kathryng56@ wrote:
> > > Wednesday,
> > > Thank you for sharing this link.I have always liked Tony Robinson and his style of presenting.In the video he says lots of good things about Richard until Edward iv's death.Then it's a bit hit and miss...various conclusions/opinions seem to believe that Richard did kill the boys because Edward iv was illegitimate and that Richard was the rightful King.So parts of it were good and other parts a bit out of order.Very interesting though.If Tony does think that Richard was a murderer then it's probably best he didn't present the search for Richard.I find it hard to equate that Richard is thought no worse of than those of his times.He seems to me to be the best of all and therefore was a threat to those who did not aspire to the same ideals.Long may he rest in peace.x
> > > Kathryn
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
> > >> Video that originally aired Feb 2. available for viewing online IN BRITAIN
> > >> ONLY, on Channel 4's official site:
> > >>
> > >> Tony Robinson sifts the facts from the fiction about one of Britain's most
> > >> maligned monarchs, Richard III. Did he really murder his two young nephews
> > >> before usurping the throne?
> > >>
> > >> I can't view this, so I don't know if the content is pro or con.
> > >>
> > >> http://www.channel4.com/programmes/fact-or-fiction/4od
> > >>
> > >> Tiny URL:
> > >>
> > >> http://tinyurl.com/mph5zot
> > >> ~Weds
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> "None of us can have as many virtues as the fountain-pen, or half its
> > >> cussedness; but we can try" - Mark Twain
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Richard Liveth Yet!
> >
>

Neil Oliver is also a good presenter too


--- In , "kathryng56@..." <kathryng56@...> wrote:
>
> Mick Aston was the white haired gentleman in the jumper,Phil Harding is the chap with the hat and the lady with the long blonde hair is Carenza Lewis,all eminent in their own particular fields of archaeology.The programme seems not to have had any other option but to turn Philippa's request down.Personally I would have loved them to have been involved.Like them or not they have had a tremendous influence in popularising modern archeology.I do not regard (Sir)Tony Robinson as arrogant,he always comes across as very enthusiastic to me.With the amount of archaeology that he has been involved with it must surely mean that he is restricted to the amount of time for his own personal research and therefore has to rely on experts etc at least some of the time.Who can be known to be wrong on occasions.If Tony has the wrong impression about Richard it might be nice for someone with the relevant knowledge which shows Richard more positively to contact Tony and offer to share that information.The more people who are aware of Richard and all his good qualities the better and Tony would make a fabulous ambassador with the general public.
>
> Hope this doesn't sound nasty or upset anyone...it's not meant that way.
>
> Best wishes to all
> Kathryn
>
> --- In , Pamela Furmidge <pamela.furmidge@> wrote:
> >
> > I'll bet they do!  I had that book for Christmas, but it is still languishing in my ever-increasing TBR pile!  I am reading Horrox at the moment and it is completely fascinating!
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@>
> >
> >  
> > Yes it's in the Jones/Langley book Pamela. I think Philippa approached them more than once but it was too difficult a speculation for them and the Council was being difficult about the carpark. How I bet they regret they turned it down. H. 
> >
> >
> >
> > On Monday, 27 January 2014, 10:56, Pamela Furmidge <pamela.furmidge@> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> > That's interesting Hilary.  I heard some time ago that JAH said Time Team turned it down because they didn't think they would find anything in three days.  
> > From: Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@>
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> > Come folks it's Sir Tony now!:) I have to say although he's arrogant he is quite watchable but how much is his own knowledge is another thing. I loved the 'guy in the jumper' who sadly died quite recently. I do think Time Team might have put a bit more money into the dig, but as they explained, the time constraints from Leicester Council were too tight - one now wonders why?!!  H. 
> >
> >
> >
> > On Saturday, 25 January 2014, 14:59, "kathryng56@" <kathryng56@> wrote:
> >
> >  
> > Hi Paul,
> > Sorry you think that way about Tony.I have always enjoyed both his acting roles and his presentations and I'm sure his enthusiasm for archeology is genuine.
> >
> > It would be interesting if he and the society could combine forces and do a documentry on the life of Richard 111...perhaps he might be a bit more favourable if he was more aware of the research that the society is doing.
> >
> > Mary and Michael are both amazing historians and presenters and I have always enjoyed their work too.
> >
> > long may they all continue to entertain.
> >
> > Kathryn
> >
> > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I wondered who out there was a fan of Tony Robinson, as I can never
> > > figure it out, [ him as Baldrick apart that is]. His documentaries have
> > > always been more about Tony Robinson than the subject matter they
> > > purport to be about.
> > > His Richard film was rather badly researched I thought, and he seemed to
> > > care little of him.
> > > Why make a film about something unless you are passionate about it?
> > > Look at Mary Beard's enthusiasm for all things Roman, or Michael Woods
> > > and the Anglo Saxons?
> > > With Tony Robinson I always feel it is just a good excuse for a nice
> > > jaunt somewhere for him and his crew.
> > >
> > > I can imagine a past conversation. Edward IV illegitimate? Who cares?
> > > Well imagine who would be king if he had been? Modern descendant is an
> > > Australian Tony. Oh great, we can get a trip to Australia out of it!
> > > Count me in!
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 25/01/2014 01:27, kathryng56@ wrote:
> > > > Wednesday,
> > > > Thank you for sharing this link.I have always liked Tony Robinson and his style of presenting.In the video he says lots of good things about Richard until Edward iv's death.Then it's a bit hit and miss...various conclusions/opinions seem to believe that Richard did kill the boys because Edward iv was illegitimate and that Richard was the rightful King.So parts of it were good and other parts a bit out of order.Very interesting though.If Tony does think that Richard was a murderer then it's probably best he didn't present the search for Richard.I find it hard to equate that Richard is thought no worse of than those of his times.He seems to me to be the best of all and therefore was a threat to those who did not aspire to the same ideals.Long may he rest in peace.x
> > > > Kathryn
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In , Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
> > > >> Video that originally aired Feb 2. available for viewing online IN BRITAIN
> > > >> ONLY, on Channel 4's official site:
> > > >>
> > > >> Tony Robinson sifts the facts from the fiction about one of Britain's most
> > > >> maligned monarchs, Richard III. Did he really murder his two young nephews
> > > >> before usurping the throne?
> > > >>
> > > >> I can't view this, so I don't know if the content is pro or con.
> > > >>
> > > >> http://www.channel4.com/programmes/fact-or-fiction/4od
> > > >>
> > > >> Tiny URL:
> > > >>
> > > >> http://tinyurl.com/mph5zot
> > > >> ~Weds
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> "None of us can have as many virtues as the fountain-pen, or half its
> > > >> cussedness; but we can try" - Mark Twain
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Richard Liveth Yet!
> > >
> >
>

Sorry but I do find Sir Tony (who was knighted for his political views) more than a little self-important, considering he has no credentials at all compared with Oliver, Beard, Wood etc. I've yet really to find anyone who likes him. Now if we could convert Michael Wood .......... :) H Sorry!!

On Monday, 27 January 2014, 15:21, "kathryng56@..." <kathryng56@...> wrote:
Neil Oliver is also a good presenter too


--- In , "kathryng56@..." <kathryng56@...> wrote:
>
> Mick Aston was the white haired gentleman in the jumper,Phil Harding is the chap with the hat and the lady with the long blonde hair is Carenza Lewis,all eminent in their own particular fields of archaeology.The programme seems not to have had any other option but to turn Philippa's request down.Personally I would have loved them to have been involved.Like them or not they have had a tremendous influence in popularising modern archeology.I do not regard (Sir)Tony Robinson as arrogant,he always comes across as very enthusiastic to me.With the amount of archaeology that he has been involved with it must surely mean that he is restricted to the amount of time for his own personal research and therefore has to rely on experts etc at least some of the time.Who can be known to be wrong on occasions.If Tony has the wrong impression about Richard it might be nice for someone with the relevant knowledge which shows Richard more positively to contact Tony and offer to share that information.The more people who are aware of Richard and all his good qualities the better and Tony would make a fabulous ambassador with the general public.
>
> Hope this doesn't sound nasty or upset anyone...it's not meant that way.
>
> Best wishes to all
> Kathryn
>
> --- In , Pamela Furmidge <pamela.furmidge@> wrote:
> >
> > I'll bet they do! Â I had that book for Christmas, but it is still languishing in my ever-increasing TBR pile! Â I am reading Horrox at the moment and it is completely fascinating!
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@>
> >
> > Â
> > Yes it's in the Jones/Langley book Pamela. I think Philippa approached them more than once but it was too difficult a speculation for them and the Council was being difficult about the carpark. How I bet they regret they turned it down. H.Â
> >
> >
> >
> > On Monday, 27 January 2014, 10:56, Pamela Furmidge <pamela.furmidge@> wrote:
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> > That's interesting Hilary. Â I heard some time ago that JAH said Time Team turned it down because they didn't think they would find anything in three days. Â
> > From: Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@>
> >
> >
> >
> > Â
> > Come folks it's Sir Tony now!:) I have to say although he's arrogant he is quite watchable but how much is his own knowledge is another thing. I loved the 'guy in the jumper' who sadly died quite recently. I do think Time Team might have put a bit more money into the dig, but as they explained, the time constraints from Leicester Council were too tight - one now wonders why?!! H.Â
> >
> >
> >
> > On Saturday, 25 January 2014, 14:59, "kathryng56@" <kathryng56@> wrote:
> >
> > Â
> > Hi Paul,
> > Sorry you think that way about Tony.I have always enjoyed both his acting roles and his presentations and I'm sure his enthusiasm for archeology is genuine.
> >
> > It would be interesting if he and the society could combine forces and do a documentry on the life of Richard 111...perhaps he might be a bit more favourable if he was more aware of the research that the society is doing.
> >
> > Mary and Michael are both amazing historians and presenters and I have always enjoyed their work too.
> >
> > long may they all continue to entertain.
> >
> > Kathryn
> >
> > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I wondered who out there was a fan of Tony Robinson, as I can never
> > > figure it out, [ him as Baldrick apart that is]. His documentaries have
> > > always been more about Tony Robinson than the subject matter they
> > > purport to be about.
> > > His Richard film was rather badly researched I thought, and he seemed to
> > > care little of him.
> > > Why make a film about something unless you are passionate about it?
> > > Look at Mary Beard's enthusiasm for all things Roman, or Michael Woods
> > > and the Anglo Saxons?
> > > With Tony Robinson I always feel it is just a good excuse for a nice
> > > jaunt somewhere for him and his crew.
> > >
> > > I can imagine a past conversation. Edward IV illegitimate? Who cares?
> > > Well imagine who would be king if he had been? Modern descendant is an
> > > Australian Tony. Oh great, we can get a trip to Australia out of it!
> > > Count me in!
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 25/01/2014 01:27, kathryng56@ wrote:
> > > > Wednesday,
> > > > Thank you for sharing this link.I have always liked Tony Robinson and his style of presenting.In the video he says lots of good things about Richard until Edward iv's death.Then it's a bit hit and miss...various conclusions/opinions seem to believe that Richard did kill the boys because Edward iv was illegitimate and that Richard was the rightful King.So parts of it were good and other parts a bit out of order.Very interesting though.If Tony does think that Richard was a murderer then it's probably best he didn't present the search for Richard.I find it hard to equate that Richard is thought no worse of than those of his times.He seems to me to be the best of all and therefore was a threat to those who did not aspire to the same ideals.Long may he rest in peace.x
> > > > Kathryn
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In , Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
> > > >> Video that originally aired Feb 2. available for viewing online IN BRITAIN
> > > >> ONLY, on Channel 4's official site:
> > > >>
> > > >> Tony Robinson sifts the facts from the fiction about one of Britain's most
> > > >> maligned monarchs, Richard III. Did he really murder his two young nephews
> > > >> before usurping the throne?
> > > >>
> > > >> I can't view this, so I don't know if the content is pro or con.
> > > >>
> > > >> http://www.channel4.com/programmes/fact-or-fiction/4od
> > > >>
> > > >> Tiny URL:
> > > >>
> > > >> http://tinyurl.com/mph5zot
> > > >> ~Weds
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> "None of us can have as many virtues as the fountain-pen, or half its
> > > >> cussedness; but we can try" - Mark Twain
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Richard Liveth Yet!
> > >
> >
>

Hi Marie,
All I can go on is his work in Time Team ,the Black Adder series and his recent historical walks and as such he always comes across as an affable enthusistic amateur with a long love of history.When the Time Team programme was at its best it seemed wonderful to me and I enjoyed it thoroughly. I haven't heard about the Australian programme nor the Mike Jones you were referring to.......for a moment until I managed to find him via Google....I had a vision of Tony touring Australia with Mike Jones from The Clash!I don't know any of your Mike Jones opinions regarding Richard except the one you have related and I agree with you totally.I am so glad that Mike stood up to parliament regarding the archaeolgy there and for his valuable contribution to modern archaeolgy .Richard's family seems to have been a good and happy one until Edward and George started to disagree.If their father had been around it wouldn't have happened as he would have been king.
Why does there always have to be some outrageous reason/idea for the events around Richard and his times?I enjoyed Aneurin Barnard and Faye Mayer's portrayal of Richard and Anne when Richard proposed to Anne in The White Queen.But I wasn't particularly happy about the witchcaft scenes and I haven't yet watched all of the series because when it came to Richard and Anne becoming king and queen I didn't want to see him shown in the usual format of Richard having murdered his nephews(not having read Philippa Gregory's novels).Although the ending was very upsetting it was very movingly portrayed.

Best wishes
Kathryn x


--- In , mariewalsh2003 <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> I sort of see both sides in the Tony Robinson debate. I enjoy him as a presenter, but I have heard that he behaves like a big star on set, turning up late and pushing himself into every shot.
>
>
> Tony Robinson once did a programme with Mike Jones on the Edward IV-was-a-bastard-and-the-real-king-is-driving-a-forklift-truck-in-Australia theme, and it sounds from previous posts as though he's taken Mike Jones' interpretation of Richard wholesale. I think Mike Jones's view of Richard's personality has a lot going for it, but I do find his idea that Richard and his mother would have felt compelled to purge the bloodline by killing Edward IV's ill-begotten sons pretty far-fetched.
>
>
> Marie
>

I'm with you on this Hilary. Liz
From: Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Monday, 27 January 2014, 16:04
Subject: Re: Re: VIDEO: Tony Robinson Fact or Fiction: R3 & Princes in the Tower



Sorry but I do find Sir Tony (who was knighted for his political views) more than a little self-important, considering he has no credentials at all compared with Oliver, Beard, Wood etc. I've yet really to find anyone who likes him. Now if we could convert Michael Wood .......... :) H Sorry!!

On Monday, 27 January 2014, 15:21, "kathryng56@..." <kathryng56@...> wrote:
Neil Oliver is also a good presenter too


--- In , "kathryng56@..." <kathryng56@...> wrote:
>
> Mick Aston was the white haired gentleman in the jumper,Phil Harding is the chap with the hat and the lady with the long blonde hair is Carenza Lewis,all eminent in their own particular fields of archaeology.The programme seems not to have had any other option but to turn Philippa's request down.Personally I would have loved them to have been involved.Like them or not they have had a tremendous influence in popularising modern archeology.I do not regard (Sir)Tony Robinson as arrogant,he always comes across as very enthusiastic to me.With the amount of archaeology that he has been involved with it must surely mean that he is restricted to the amount of time for his own personal research and therefore has to rely on experts etc at least some of the time.Who can be known to be wrong on occasions.If Tony has the wrong impression about Richard it might be nice for someone with the relevant knowledge which shows Richard more positively to contact Tony and offer to share that information.The more people who are aware of Richard and all his good qualities the better and Tony would make a fabulous ambassador with the general public.
>
> Hope this doesn't sound nasty or upset anyone...it's not meant that way.
>
> Best wishes to all
> Kathryn
>
> --- In , Pamela Furmidge <pamela.furmidge@> wrote:
> >
> > I'll bet they do! Â I had that book for Christmas, but it is still languishing in my ever-increasing TBR pile! Â I am reading Horrox at the moment and it is completely fascinating!
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@>
> >
> > Â
> > Yes it's in the Jones/Langley book Pamela. I think Philippa approached them more than once but it was too difficult a speculation for them and the Council was being difficult about the carpark. How I bet they regret they turned it down. H.Â
> >
> >
> >
> > On Monday, 27 January 2014, 10:56, Pamela Furmidge <pamela.furmidge@> wrote:
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> > That's interesting Hilary. Â I heard some time ago that JAH said Time Team turned it down because they didn't think they would find anything in three days. Â
> > From: Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@>
> >
> >
> >
> > Â
> > Come folks it's Sir Tony now!:) I have to say although he's arrogant he is quite watchable but how much is his own knowledge is another thing. I loved the 'guy in the jumper' who sadly died quite recently. I do think Time Team might have put a bit more money into the dig, but as they explained, the time constraints from Leicester Council were too tight - one now wonders why?!! H.Â
> >
> >
> >
> > On Saturday, 25 January 2014, 14:59, "kathryng56@" <kathryng56@> wrote:
> >
> > Â
> > Hi Paul,
> > Sorry you think that way about Tony.I have always enjoyed both his acting roles and his presentations and I'm sure his enthusiasm for archeology is genuine.
> >
> > It would be interesting if he and the society could combine forces and do a documentry on the life of Richard 111...perhaps he might be a bit more favourable if he was more aware of the research that the society is doing.
> >
> > Mary and Michael are both amazing historians and presenters and I have always enjoyed their work too.
> >
> > long may they all continue to entertain.
> >
> > Kathryn
> >
> > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I wondered who out there was a fan of Tony Robinson, as I can never
> > > figure it out, [ him as Baldrick apart that is]. His documentaries have
> > > always been more about Tony Robinson than the subject matter they
> > > purport to be about.
> > > His Richard film was rather badly researched I thought, and he seemed to
> > > care little of him.
> > > Why make a film about something unless you are passionate about it?
> > > Look at Mary Beard's enthusiasm for all things Roman, or Michael Woods
> > > and the Anglo Saxons?
> > > With Tony Robinson I always feel it is just a good excuse for a nice
> > > jaunt somewhere for him and his crew.
> > >
> > > I can imagine a past conversation. Edward IV illegitimate? Who cares?
> > > Well imagine who would be king if he had been? Modern descendant is an
> > > Australian Tony. Oh great, we can get a trip to Australia out of it!
> > > Count me in!
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 25/01/2014 01:27, kathryng56@ wrote:
> > > > Wednesday,
> > > > Thank you for sharing this link.I have always liked Tony Robinson and his style of presenting.In the video he says lots of good things about Richard until Edward iv's death.Then it's a bit hit and miss...various conclusions/opinions seem to believe that Richard did kill the boys because Edward iv was illegitimate and that Richard was the rightful King.So parts of it were good and other parts a bit out of order.Very interesting though.If Tony does think that Richard was a murderer then it's probably best he didn't present the search for Richard.I find it hard to equate that Richard is thought no worse of than those of his times.He seems to me to be the best of all and therefore was a threat to those who did not aspire to the same ideals.Long may he rest in peace.x
> > > > Kathryn
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In , Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
> > > >> Video that originally aired Feb 2. available for viewing online IN BRITAIN
> > > >> ONLY, on Channel 4's official site:
> > > >>
> > > >> Tony Robinson sifts the facts from the fiction about one of Britain's most
> > > >> maligned monarchs, Richard III. Did he really murder his two young nephews
> > > >> before usurping the throne?
> > > >>
> > > >> I can't view this, so I don't know if the content is pro or con.
> > > >>
> > > >> http://www.channel4.com/programmes/fact-or-fiction/4od
> > > >>
> > > >> Tiny URL:
> > > >>
> > > >> http://tinyurl.com/mph5zot
> > > >> ~Weds
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> "None of us can have as many virtues as the fountain-pen, or half its
> > > >> cussedness; but we can try" - Mark Twain
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Richard Liveth Yet!
> > >
> >
>

Way back in the mid 80s Michael Woods was about to do an "In Search of Richard III" film, but was then offered the Troy series. He chose to go across the Middle east and Greece instead. Can't blame him really, though it would have been nice had he gone back and done it later, though the quincentenary was over by then and interest waned.
Paul

On 27/01/2014 16:04, Hilary Jones wrote:
Sorry but I do find Sir Tony (who was knighted for his political views) more than a little self-important, considering he has no credentials at all compared with Oliver, Beard, Wood etc. I've yet really to find anyone who likes him. Now if we could convert Michael Wood .......... :) H Sorry!!

On Monday, 27 January 2014, 15:21, "kathryng56@..." <kathryng56@...> wrote:
Neil Oliver is also a good presenter too


--- In , "kathryng56@..." <kathryng56@...> wrote:
>
> Mick Aston was the white haired gentleman in the jumper,Phil Harding is the chap with the hat and the lady with the long blonde hair is Carenza Lewis,all eminent in their own particular fields of archaeology.The programme seems not to have had any other option but to turn Philippa's request down.Personally I would have loved them to have been involved.Like them or not they have had a tremendous influence in popularising modern archeology.I do not regard (Sir)Tony Robinson as arrogant,he always comes across as very enthusiastic to me.With the amount of archaeology that he has been involved with it must surely mean that he is restricted to the amount of time for his own personal research and therefore has to rely on experts etc at least some of the time.Who can be known to be wrong on occasions.If Tony has the wrong impression about Richard it might be nice for someone with the relevant knowledge which shows Richard more positively to contact Tony and offer to share that information.The more people who are aware of Richard and all his good qualities the better and Tony would make a fabulous ambassador with the general public.
>
> Hope this doesn't sound nasty or upset anyone...it's not meant that way.
>
> Best wishes to all
> Kathryn
>
> --- In , Pamela Furmidge <pamela.furmidge@> wrote:
> >
> > I'll bet they do! Â I had that book for Christmas, but it is still languishing in my ever-increasing TBR pile! Â I am reading Horrox at the moment and it is completely fascinating!
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@>
> >
> > Â
> > Yes it's in the Jones/Langley book Pamela. I think Philippa approached them more than once but it was too difficult a speculation for them and the Council was being difficult about the carpark. How I bet they regret they turned it down. H.Â
> >
> >
> >
> > On Monday, 27 January 2014, 10:56, Pamela Furmidge <pamela.furmidge@> wrote:
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> > That's interesting Hilary. Â I heard some time ago that JAH said Time Team turned it down because they didn't think they would find anything in three days. Â
> > From: Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@>
> >
> >
> >
> > Â
> > Come folks it's Sir Tony now!:) I have to say although he's arrogant he is quite watchable but how much is his own knowledge is another thing. I loved the 'guy in the jumper' who sadly died quite recently. I do think Time Team might have put a bit more money into the dig, but as they explained, the time constraints from Leicester Council were too tight - one now wonders why?!! H.Â
> >
> >
> >
> > On Saturday, 25 January 2014, 14:59, "kathryng56@" <kathryng56@> wrote:
> >
> > Â
> > Hi Paul,
> > Sorry you think that way about Tony.I have always enjoyed both his acting roles and his presentations and I'm sure his enthusiasm for archeology is genuine.
> >
> > It would be interesting if he and the society could combine forces and do a documentry on the life of Richard 111...perhaps he might be a bit more favourable if he was more aware of the research that the society is doing.
> >
> > Mary and Michael are both amazing historians and presenters and I have always enjoyed their work too.
> >
> > long may they all continue to entertain.
> >
> > Kathryn
> >
> > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I wondered who out there was a fan of Tony Robinson, as I can never
> > > figure it out, [ him as Baldrick apart that is]. His documentaries have
> > > always been more about Tony Robinson than the subject matter they
> > > purport to be about.
> > > His Richard film was rather badly researched I thought, and he seemed to
> > > care little of him.
> > > Why make a film about something unless you are passionate about it?
> > > Look at Mary Beard's enthusiasm for all things Roman, or Michael Woods
> > > and the Anglo Saxons?
> > > With Tony Robinson I always feel it is just a good excuse for a nice
> > > jaunt somewhere for him and his crew.
> > >
> > > I can imagine a past conversation. Edward IV illegitimate? Who cares?
> > > Well imagine who would be king if he had been? Modern descendant is an
> > > Australian Tony. Oh great, we can get a trip to Australia out of it!
> > > Count me in!
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 25/01/2014 01:27, kathryng56@ wrote:
> > > > Wednesday,
> > > > Thank you for sharing this link.I have always liked Tony Robinson and his style of presenting.In the video he says lots of good things about Richard until Edward iv's death.Then it's a bit hit and miss...various conclusions/opinions seem to believe that Richard did kill the boys because Edward iv was illegitimate and that Richard was the rightful King.So parts of it were good and other parts a bit out of order.Very interesting though.If Tony does think that Richard was a murderer then it's probably best he didn't present the search for Richard.I find it hard to equate that Richard is thought no worse of than those of his times.He seems to me to be the best of all and therefore was a threat to those who did not aspire to the same ideals.Long may he rest in peace.x
> > > > Kathryn
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In , Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
> > > >> Video that originally aired Feb 2. available for viewing online IN BRITAIN
> > > >> ONLY, on Channel 4's official site:
> > > >>
> > > >> Tony Robinson sifts the facts from the fiction about one of Britain's most
> > > >> maligned monarchs, Richard III. Did he really murder his two young nephews
> > > >> before usurping the throne?
> > > >>
> > > >> I can't view this, so I don't know if the content is pro or con.
> > > >>
> > > >> http://www.channel4.com/programmes/fact-or-fiction/4od
> > > >>
> > > >> Tiny URL:
> > > >>
> > > >> http://tinyurl.com/mph5zot
> > > >> ~Weds
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> "None of us can have as many virtues as the fountain-pen, or half its
> > > >> cussedness; but we can try" - Mark Twain
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Richard Liveth Yet!
> > >
> >
>





--
Richard Liveth Yet!

That's what I meant in my original post about my doubting they were interested until they realised a trip to Australia was in the cards.
Tony Robinson's film on Shakespeare's other hatchet job Macbeth was frankly a disgrace!
Paul

On 27/01/2014 19:51, mariewalsh2003 wrote:

By Mike Jones I mean Michael K. Jones of "The King's Mother" (on Margaret Beaufort, cowritten with Malcolm Underwood), "Bosworth 1485: The Psychology of a Battle" and "The King's Grave" (cowritten with Philippa Langley). He is the person who discovered the Duke of York got back from the Pontoise campaign much later than previously thought, making the story that Edward IV was conceived in adultery very much more plausible. Tony robinson picked up on the Edward IV thing, and they did a programme on the evidence for Edward IV's bastardy and tracing the true Yorkist heir - a republican descendant of Clarence's daughter named Michael Hastings - down to present-day Australia. Sadly Michael Hastings died last year though he left a large family.

Marie

--
Richard Liveth Yet!

Thanks Paul,
I never knew that.I was probably too busy caroussing in those days lol.Here's hoping he may do a series about Richard in the future.
Today I have read a bit about Charlemagne and just caught the second half of Michael Wood's episode about Alfred and those of his family who succeeded him.Richard certainly had a lot of ancestors whom to emulate.Such a pity his reign ended so soon.I am sure that there will eventually be the definitive version of Richard's life.Richard Armitage has had a life long passion about Richard 111.Perhaps he and Philippa Langley may get a project started in the near future.

best wishes
Kathryn

--- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:
>
> Way back in the mid 80s Michael Woods was about to do an "In Search of
> Richard III" film, but was then offered the Troy series. He chose to go
> across the Middle east and Greece instead. Can't blame him really,
> though it would have been nice had he gone back and done it later,
> though the quincentenary was over by then and interest waned.
> Paul
>
> On 27/01/2014 16:04, Hilary Jones wrote:
> >
> >
> > Sorry but I do find Sir Tony (who was knighted for his political
> > views) more than a little self-important, considering he has no
> > credentials at all compared with Oliver, Beard, Wood etc. I've yet
> > really to find anyone who likes him. Now if we could convert Michael
> > Wood .......... :) H Sorry!!
> >
> >
> > On Monday, 27 January 2014, 15:21, "kathryng56@..."
> > <kathryng56@...> wrote:
> > Neil Oliver is also a good presenter too
> >
> >
> > --- In , "kathryng56@"
> > <kathryng56@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Mick Aston was the white haired gentleman in the jumper,Phil Harding
> > is the chap with the hat and the lady with the long blonde hair is
> > Carenza Lewis,all eminent in their own particular fields of
> > archaeology.The programme seems not to have had any other option but
> > to turn Philippa's request down.Personally I would have loved them to
> > have been involved.Like them or not they have had a tremendous
> > influence in popularising modern archeology.I do not regard (Sir)Tony
> > Robinson as arrogant,he always comes across as very enthusiastic to
> > me.With the amount of archaeology that he has been involved with it
> > must surely mean that he is restricted to the amount of time for his
> > own personal research and therefore has to rely on experts etc at
> > least some of the time.Who can be known to be wrong on occasions.If
> > Tony has the wrong impression about Richard it might be nice for
> > someone with the relevant knowledge which shows Richard more
> > positively to contact Tony and offer to share that information.The
> > more people who are aware of Richard and all his good qualities the
> > better and Tony would make a fabulous ambassador with the general public.
> > >
> > > Hope this doesn't sound nasty or upset anyone...it's not meant that way.
> > >
> > > Best wishes to all
> > > Kathryn
> > >
> > > --- In , Pamela Furmidge
> > <pamela.furmidge@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'll bet they do! Â I had that book for Christmas, but it is still
> > languishing in my ever-increasing TBR pile! Â I am reading Horrox at
> > the moment and it is completely fascinating!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@>
> > > >
> > > > Â
> > > > Yes it's in the Jones/Langley book Pamela. I think Philippa
> > approached them more than once but it was too difficult a
> > speculation for them and the Council was being difficult about the
> > carpark. How I bet they regret they turned it down. H.Â
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Monday, 27 January 2014, 10:56, Pamela Furmidge
> > <pamela.furmidge@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Â
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's interesting Hilary. Â I heard some time ago that JAH said
> > Time Team turned it down because they didn't think they would find
> > anything in three days. Â
> > > > From: Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Â
> > > > Come folks it's Sir Tony now!:) I have to say although he's
> > arrogant he is quite watchable but how much is his own knowledge is
> > another thing. I loved the 'guy in the jumper' who sadly died quite
> > recently. I do think Time Team might have put a bit more money into
> > the dig, but as they explained, the time constraints from Leicester
> > Council were too tight - one now wonders why?!! H.Â
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Saturday, 25 January 2014, 14:59, "kathryng56@" <kathryng56@>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Â
> > > > Hi Paul,
> > > > Sorry you think that way about Tony.I have always enjoyed both his
> > acting roles and his presentations and I'm sure his enthusiasm for
> > archeology is genuine.
> > > >
> > > > It would be interesting if he and the society could combine forces
> > and do a documentry on the life of Richard 111...perhaps he might be a
> > bit more favourable if he was more aware of the research that the
> > society is doing.
> > > >
> > > > Mary and Michael are both amazing historians and presenters and I
> > have always enjoyed their work too.
> > > >
> > > > long may they all continue to entertain.
> > > >
> > > > Kathryn
> > > >
> > > > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
> > <paul.bale@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I wondered who out there was a fan of Tony Robinson, as I can never
> > > > > figure it out, [ him as Baldrick apart that is]. His
> > documentaries have
> > > > > always been more about Tony Robinson than the subject matter they
> > > > > purport to be about.
> > > > > His Richard film was rather badly researched I thought, and he
> > seemed to
> > > > > care little of him.
> > > > > Why make a film about something unless you are passionate about it?
> > > > > Look at Mary Beard's enthusiasm for all things Roman, or Michael
> > Woods
> > > > > and the Anglo Saxons?
> > > > > With Tony Robinson I always feel it is just a good excuse for a
> > nice
> > > > > jaunt somewhere for him and his crew.
> > > > >
> > > > > I can imagine a past conversation. Edward IV illegitimate? Who
> > cares?
> > > > > Well imagine who would be king if he had been? Modern descendant
> > is an
> > > > > Australian Tony. Oh great, we can get a trip to Australia out of
> > it!
> > > > > Count me in!
> > > > > Paul
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 25/01/2014 01:27, kathryng56@ wrote:
> > > > > > Wednesday,
> > > > > > Thank you for sharing this link.I have always liked Tony
> > Robinson and his style of presenting.In the video he says lots of good
> > things about Richard until Edward iv's death.Then it's a bit hit and
> > miss...various conclusions/opinions seem to believe that Richard did
> > kill the boys because Edward iv was illegitimate and that Richard was
> > the rightful King.So parts of it were good and other parts a bit out
> > of order.Very interesting though.If Tony does think that Richard was a
> > murderer then it's probably best he didn't present the search for
> > Richard.I find it hard to equate that Richard is thought no worse of
> > than those of his times.He seems to me to be the best of all and
> > therefore was a threat to those who did not aspire to the same
> > ideals.Long may he rest in peace.x
> > > > > > Kathryn
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In , Wednesday
> > McKenna <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
> > > > > >> Video that originally aired Feb 2. available for viewing
> > online IN BRITAIN
> > > > > >> ONLY, on Channel 4's official site:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Tony Robinson sifts the facts from the fiction about one of
> > Britain's most
> > > > > >> maligned monarchs, Richard III. Did he really murder his two
> > young nephews
> > > > > >> before usurping the throne?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I can't view this, so I don't know if the content is pro or con.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> http://www.channel4.com/programmes/fact-or-fiction/4od
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Tiny URL:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> http://tinyurl.com/mph5zot
> > > > > >> ~Weds
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> --
> > > > > >> "None of us can have as many virtues as the fountain-pen, or
> > half its
> > > > > >> cussedness; but we can try" - Mark Twain
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yahoo Groups Links
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Richard Liveth Yet!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>

Hi Paul and Marie,

Sorry, Paul, I didn't know about the Tony and Mike trip to Australia.I thought it was a joke example you were using and I haven't seen or known the programme about Macbeth.

Sorry Marie,I didn't realise that's who you meant.I rely on google and wikiepedia to try and check who's who.Good to know that there are direct descendants belonging to George as well as Edward.

best wishes to you both
Kathryn xx


--- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:
>
> That's what I meant in my original post about my doubting they were
> interested until they realised a trip to Australia was in the cards.
> Tony Robinson's film on Shakespeare's other hatchet job Macbeth was
> frankly a disgrace!
> Paul
>
> On 27/01/2014 19:51, mariewalsh2003 wrote:
> >
> >
> > By Mike Jones I mean Michael K. Jones of "The King's Mother" (on
> > Margaret Beaufort, cowritten with Malcolm Underwood), "Bosworth 1485:
> > The Psychology of a Battle" and "The King's Grave" (cowritten with
> > Philippa Langley). He is the person who discovered the Duke of York
> > got back from the Pontoise campaign much later than previously
> > thought, making the story that Edward IV was conceived in adultery
> > very much more plausible. Tony robinson picked up on the Edward IV
> > thing, and they did a programme on the evidence for Edward IV's
> > bastardy and tracing the true Yorkist heir - a republican descendant
> > of Clarence's daughter named Michael Hastings - down to present-day
> > Australia. Sadly Michael Hastings died last year though he left a
> > large family.
> >
> > Marie
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>

Didn't know that Paul. What a missed opportunity, but as you say who could blame him! H.

On Monday, 27 January 2014, 20:13, Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:
That's what I meant in my original post about my doubting they were interested until they realised a trip to Australia was in the cards.
Tony Robinson's film on Shakespeare's other hatchet job Macbeth was frankly a disgrace!
Paul

On 27/01/2014 19:51, mariewalsh2003 wrote:
By Mike Jones I mean Michael K. Jones of "The King's Mother" (on Margaret Beaufort, cowritten with Malcolm Underwood), "Bosworth 1485: The Psychology of a Battle" and "The King's Grave" (cowritten with Philippa Langley). He is the person who discovered the Duke of York got back from the Pontoise campaign much later than previously thought, making the story that Edward IV was conceived in adultery very much more plausible. Tony robinson picked up on the Edward IV thing, and they did a programme on the evidence for Edward IV's bastardy and tracing the true Yorkist heir - a republican descendant of Clarence's daughter named Michael Hastings - down to present-day Australia. Sadly Michael Hastings died last year though he left a large family. Marie

--
Richard Liveth Yet!

Hello All,

I actually do like Sir Tony, and yes, he has no credentials, that's why he's so great. One should never forget he's an actor and when he does these "presentations" he just plays some kind of Balderick, the layman with the cunning plan that falls through. In Time Team, he's the village idiot that bounces around farfetched ideas disproved by the specialists. He never claims to be very knowledgable (and I think he's probably far more up to things than he leads out to be). Also, being an actor, Shakespeare is like a God to him and everythin he wrote was gospell ! So if his views on Richard III can be discarded. Luckily, not being a native English speaker, I never fell for much of Shakespeare's stuff, to me it feels outdated (though I did like the Michael Woods documentary on him - which did convince me at last he did write his own plays, something I didn't believe before Woods).
Actually, I think we should be glad Time Team didn't do the dig at the car park. I always dislike the three day constraint which leaves little to no room to doing thorough research. Also, I think they go in too fast (unfortunately, that what also happened at the car park dig). I do love Time Team, but by 2012 it had degraded so much. They had to dig bigger trenches, just to fit Phil Harding's ego (or maybe that's what I think because he's such a bad actor and not that good in playing his role). I mean, when they replaced Helen Geake with that girl - who was supposed to be a professor or something like that and ended up taking over the role of Tony Robinson . It was so awful that the great Mick Aston (I am very saddened by his death, which I only learnt from this group yesterday - new member after seeing the DVD on the Car Park Dig). Also loved Corenza, Helen, John and Stuart. I've learned a lot from Time Team - didn't they do Bosworth?
Well, sad thing is that now I know I shouldn't ask Time Team to come and look for the grave of Richard's sister Margareth in my home town of Mechelen. They know she's burried in the church of the Friars Minor (Franciscans), but they don't know where. You don't need Henry VIII to pillage churches, French revolutionists will do pretty much the same (the building is still standing though !!!)

Thanks,

Marc


On Monday, 27 January 2014, 17:41, mariewalsh2003 <[email protected]> wrote:
I sort of see both sides in the Tony Robinson debate. I enjoy him as a presenter, but I have heard that he behaves like a big star on set, turning up late and pushing himself into every shot.
Tony Robinson once did a programme with Mike Jones on the Edward IV-was-a-bastard-and-the-real-king-is-driving-a-forklift-truck-in-Australia theme, and it sounds from previous posts as though he's taken Mike Jones' interpretation of Richard wholesale. I think Mike Jones's view of Richard's personality has a lot going for it, but I do find his idea that Richard and his mother would have felt compelled to purge the bloodline by killing Edward IV's ill-begotten sons pretty far-fetched.
Marie

Thanks for the reply Hilary,sorry it's taken me so long to reply but I've only just found it.lol I would love someone to do a really good documentary/series about Richard 111 and his times...just so long as we don't have Laurence ,it maybe be memorable but it's not very nice or accurate.

--- In , Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry but I do find Sir Tony (who was knighted for his political views) more than a little self-important, considering he has no credentials at all compared with Oliver, Beard, Wood etc. I've yet really to find anyone who likes him. Now if we could convert Michael Wood  ..........   :)  H  Sorry!! 
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, 27 January 2014, 15:21, "kathryng56@..." <kathryng56@...> wrote:
>
>  
> Neil Oliver is also a good presenter too
>
>
> --- In , "kathryng56@" <kathryng56@> wrote:
> >
> > Mick Aston was the white haired gentleman in the jumper,Phil Harding is the chap with the hat and the lady with the long blonde hair is Carenza Lewis,all eminent in their own particular fields of archaeology.The programme seems not to have had any other option but to turn Philippa's request down.Personally I would have loved them to have been involved.Like them or not they have had a tremendous influence in popularising modern archeology.I do not regard (Sir)Tony Robinson as arrogant,he always comes across as very enthusiastic to me.With the amount of archaeology that he has been involved with it must surely mean that he is restricted to the amount of time for his own personal research and therefore has to rely on experts etc at least some of the time.Who can be known to be wrong on occasions.If Tony has the wrong impression about Richard it might be nice for someone with the relevant knowledge which shows Richard more positively to contact Tony and
> offer to share that information.The more people who are aware of Richard and all his good qualities the better and Tony would make a fabulous ambassador with the general public.
> >
> > Hope this doesn't sound nasty or upset anyone...it's not meant that way.
> >
> > Best wishes to all
> > Kathryn
> >
> > --- In , Pamela Furmidge <pamela.furmidge@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'll bet they do!  I had that book for Christmas, but it is still languishing in my ever-increasing TBR pile!  I am reading Horrox at the moment and it is completely fascinating!
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@>
> > >
> > >  
> > > Yes it's in the Jones/Langley book Pamela. I think Philippa approached them more than once but it was too difficult a speculation for them and the Council was being difficult about the carpark. How I bet they regret they turned it down. H. 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Monday, 27 January 2014, 10:56, Pamela Furmidge <pamela.furmidge@> wrote:
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > > That's interesting Hilary.  I heard some time ago that JAH said Time Team turned it down because they didn't think they would find anything in three days.  
> > > From: Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > > Come folks it's Sir Tony now!:) I have to say although he's arrogant he is quite watchable but how much is his own knowledge is another thing. I loved the 'guy in the jumper' who sadly died quite recently. I do think Time Team might have put a bit more money into the dig, but as they explained, the time constraints from Leicester Council were too tight - one now wonders why?!!  H. 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Saturday, 25 January 2014, 14:59, "kathryng56@" <kathryng56@> wrote:
> > >
> > >  
> > > Hi Paul,
> > > Sorry you think that way about Tony.I have always enjoyed both his acting roles and his presentations and I'm sure his enthusiasm for archeology is genuine.
> > >
> > > It would be interesting if he and the society could combine forces and do a documentry on the life of Richard 111...perhaps he might be a bit more favourable if he was more aware of the research that the society is doing.
> > >
> > > Mary and Michael are both amazing historians and presenters and I have always enjoyed their work too.
> > >
> > > long may they all continue to entertain.
> > >
> > > Kathryn
> > >
> > > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I wondered who out there was a fan of Tony Robinson, as I can never
> > > > figure it out, [ him as Baldrick apart that is]. His documentaries have
> > > > always been more about Tony Robinson than the subject matter they
> > > > purport to be about.
> > > > His Richard film was rather badly researched I thought, and he seemed to
> > > > care little of him.
> > > > Why make a film about something unless you are passionate about it?
> > > > Look at Mary Beard's enthusiasm for all things Roman, or Michael Woods
> > > > and the Anglo Saxons?
> > > > With Tony Robinson I always feel it is just a good excuse for a nice
> > > > jaunt somewhere for him and his crew.
> > > >
> > > > I can imagine a past conversation. Edward IV illegitimate? Who cares?
> > > > Well imagine who would be king if he had been? Modern descendant is an
> > > > Australian Tony. Oh great, we can get a trip to Australia out of it!
> > > > Count me in!
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 25/01/2014 01:27, kathryng56@ wrote:
> > > > > Wednesday,
> > > > > Thank you for sharing this link.I have always liked Tony Robinson and his style of presenting.In the video he says lots of good things about Richard until Edward iv's death.Then it's a bit hit and miss...various conclusions/opinions seem to believe that Richard did kill the boys because Edward iv was illegitimate and that Richard was the rightful King.So parts of it were good and other parts a bit out of order.Very interesting though.If Tony does think that Richard was a murderer then it's probably best he didn't present the search for Richard.I find it hard to equate that Richard is thought no worse of than those of his times.He seems to me to be the best of all and therefore was a threat to those who did not aspire to the same ideals.Long may he rest in peace.x
> > > > > Kathryn
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , Wednesday McKenna <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
> > > > >> Video that originally aired Feb 2. available for viewing online IN BRITAIN
> > > > >> ONLY, on Channel 4's official site:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Tony Robinson sifts the facts from the fiction about one of Britain's most
> > > > >> maligned monarchs, Richard III. Did he really murder his two young nephews
> > > > >> before usurping the throne?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I can't view this, so I don't know if the content is pro or con.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> http://www.channel4.com/programmes/fact-or-fiction/4od
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Tiny URL:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> http://tinyurl.com/mph5zot
> > > > >> ~Weds
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> "None of us can have as many virtues as the fountain-pen, or half its
> > > > >> cussedness; but we can try" - Mark Twain
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Richard Liveth Yet!
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Hi Marc,
Welcome to the forum.
best wishes
Kathryn x

--- In , Marc Moris <macbrat88@...> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
>
> I actually do like Sir Tony, and yes, he has no credentials, that's why he's so great. One should never forget he's an actor and when he does these "presentations" he just plays some kind of Balderick, the layman with the cunning plan that falls through. In Time Team, he's the village idiot that bounces around farfetched ideas disproved by the specialists. He never claims to be very knowledgable (and I think he's probably far more up to things than he leads out to be). Also, being an actor, Shakespeare is like a God to him and everythin he wrote was gospell ! So if his views on Richard III can be discarded. Luckily, not being a native English speaker, I never fell for much of Shakespeare's stuff, to me it feels outdated (though I did like the Michael Woods documentary on him - which did convince me at last he did write his own plays, something I didn't believe before Woods).
>
> Actually, I think we should be glad Time Team didn't do the dig at the car park. I always dislike the three day constraint which leaves little to no room to doing thorough research. Also, I think they go in too fast (unfortunately, that what also happened at the car park dig). I do love Time Team, but by 2012 it had degraded so much. They had to dig bigger trenches, just to fit Phil Harding's ego (or maybe that's what I think because he's such a bad actor and not that good in playing his role). I mean, when they replaced Helen Geake with that girl - who was supposed to be a professor or something like that and ended up taking over the role of Tony Robinson . It was so awful that the great Mick Aston (I am very saddened by his death, which I only learnt from this group yesterday - new member after seeing the DVD on the Car Park Dig). Also loved Corenza, Helen, John and Stuart. I've learned a lot from Time Team - didn't they do Bosworth?
>
> Well, sad thing is that now I know I shouldn't ask Time Team to come and look for the grave of Richard's sister Margareth in my home town of Mechelen. They know she's burried in the church of the Friars Minor (Franciscans), but they don't know where. You don't need Henry VIII to pillage churches, French revolutionists will do pretty much the same (the building is still standing though !!!)
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>                          Marc
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, 27 January 2014, 17:41, mariewalsh2003 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>  
> I sort of see both sides in the Tony Robinson debate. I enjoy him as a presenter, but I have heard that he behaves like a big star on set, turning up late and pushing himself into every shot.
>
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Spot on Marie. I particularly liked Jones's take on Cis as family matriarch (but not the last bit as you say) and Richard's regard for his father whose name he bore. And I have to say I was in Aus when the who was the real king documentary came out and TR did manage to engage a lot of people in the York story over there. H(who is about to look at the Twynyhos at last)

On Monday, 27 January 2014, 23:32, mariewalsh2003 <[email protected]> wrote:
Indeed, welcome to the forum! How interesting that you live in Mechelen. I have only visited it once, but I liked it very much, and of course it is so connected with Yorkist history.Marie

Does anyone know what apparel a 15th century Benedictine abbot would have worn? In private, not for Mass or any other formal occasion. Specifically Dan John Sant of Abingdon. I'll be grateful for any help. Sandra =^..^=

Thanks for the welcome everyone,
first my apologies for hijacking this thread, I haven't seen the Tony Robinson tv-show (and unfortunately am unable to find it on the net).

Well, if ever you have the opportunity of visiting Mechelen (or Mechlin), let me know maybe I can give a guided tour. Mind you, most of the town was destroyed at the end of the XVI th century (and it wasn't rebuild as most things had already moved to Brussels).
I hope you did visit the palace of Margaretha of York (or what remains) and were able to enter it. These days it's the town theatre, haven't heard of many plays played there, but as I kid I often entered it to see movies for children. If you did and crossed the street you would have seen the connection with the Tudors : the Palace of Margaretha of Austria - where two of Henry VIII wives were educated in the art of courting (whatever that meant at that time). The Chapel/Church of the friar minors is opposite the entry of the Cathedral. Only learned Margaretha of York is buried there when they discovered the body of Richard III.

Cheers,


Marc



On Tuesday, 28 January 2014, 11:31, Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...> wrote:
Spot on Marie. I particularly liked Jones's take on Cis as family matriarch (but not the last bit as you say) and Richard's regard for his father whose name he bore. And I have to say I was in Aus when the who was the real king documentary came out and TR did manage to engage a lot of people in the York story over there. H(who is about to look at the Twynyhos at last)

On Monday, 27 January 2014, 23:32, mariewalsh2003 <[email protected]> wrote:
Indeed, welcome to the forum! How interesting that you live in Mechelen. I have only visited it once, but I liked it very much, and of course it is so connected with Yorkist history.Marie

Thank you so much, Weds. I'll do that. =^..^= From: wednesday.mac@... Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 9:01 PM To: Subject: RE: Vestments?

You might contact Paul Bernardino here:

http://monasterygarments.blogspot.com/

He is a Catholic monk in San Francisco specializing in making genuine holy order garments for the members of current orders, as well as for medieval/renaissance reenactors. He made a 15th-century Camerlite nun's habit a couple of years ago for a friend of mine, and I can vouch for his knowledge and the quality of his work.

Please be aware if you contact him that he can be a bit eccentric, crunchy and terse, but he's definitely a valuable source if you want accurate information.

~Weds

You are welcome Marc. x


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> Spot on Marie. I particularly liked Jones's take on Cis as family matriarch (but not the last bit as you say) and Richard's regard for his father whose name he bore. And I have to say I was in Aus when the who was the real king documentary came out and TR did manage to engage a lot of people in the York story over there.  H
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> How interesting that you live in Mechelen. I have only visited it once, but I liked it very much, and of course it is so connected with Yorkist history.
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