de la Pole sisters (?)
de la Pole sisters (?)
2004-06-01 18:43:49
Marie et al:
One Jane de la Pole definitely married Thomas Stonor, having three sons, three daughters and possibly a seventh child. My source is investigating the Stonors.
The bad news is that she may be a SISTER of Richard (Duke of Suffolk) not a daughter i.e. an aunt of Lincoln, not a sister, as the dates (Elizabeth b. 1444, Stonor d. 1474) suggest, unless we have the wrong Stonor.
I would be delighted if your "Blanc Sanglier" article could disprove our reservations, quoting the author. This would shatter the "Lincoln's siblings only managed one child and she became a nun" theory, much the same as Jones disproved the "Lady Margaret only had one grandchild and he died in the Tower in 1542" theory.
Stephen
One Jane de la Pole definitely married Thomas Stonor, having three sons, three daughters and possibly a seventh child. My source is investigating the Stonors.
The bad news is that she may be a SISTER of Richard (Duke of Suffolk) not a daughter i.e. an aunt of Lincoln, not a sister, as the dates (Elizabeth b. 1444, Stonor d. 1474) suggest, unless we have the wrong Stonor.
I would be delighted if your "Blanc Sanglier" article could disprove our reservations, quoting the author. This would shatter the "Lincoln's siblings only managed one child and she became a nun" theory, much the same as Jones disproved the "Lady Margaret only had one grandchild and he died in the Tower in 1542" theory.
Stephen
Re: de la Pole sisters (?)
2004-06-01 22:02:30
--- In , "Stephen Lark"
<smlark@t...> wrote:
> Marie et al:
>
> One Jane de la Pole definitely married Thomas Stonor, having three
sons, three daughters and possibly a seventh child. My source is
investigating the Stonors.
> The bad news is that she may be a SISTER of Richard (Duke of
Suffolk) not a daughter i.e. an aunt of Lincoln, not a sister, as the
dates (Elizabeth b. 1444, Stonor d. 1474) suggest, unless we have the
wrong Stonor.
> I would be delighted if your "Blanc Sanglier" article could
disprove our reservations, quoting the author. This would shatter
the "Lincoln's siblings only managed one child and she became a nun"
theory, much the same as Jones disproved the "Lady Margaret only had
one grandchild and he died in the Tower in 1542" theory.
>
> Stephen
Unfortunately it doesn't give any more info than I gave you before. I
did give the full details of the article, including author, I'm sure.
I donwnloaded relevant sections of DNB today, and I'm convinced the
author got most of the info from there, including misidentification
of Oxford prodigy as Earl Edmund. I see from Bennett that it was
indeed the clerical Edward who was the Oxford don.
I've also ascertained that the de la Pole Abbess of Barking was
Lincoln's great-aunt Katherine, not his sister Anne.
Have you tried the Complete Peerage? That very often gives complete
lists of peers' children, and is a much better source for this sort
of thing than the DNB. Also, Burkes' Gentry might give the Stonor
line. An edition of the Stonor Papers themselves might be worth a
look - even if nothing in the papers, there may be in the
introduction or notes.
Best of luck,
Marie
>
>
<smlark@t...> wrote:
> Marie et al:
>
> One Jane de la Pole definitely married Thomas Stonor, having three
sons, three daughters and possibly a seventh child. My source is
investigating the Stonors.
> The bad news is that she may be a SISTER of Richard (Duke of
Suffolk) not a daughter i.e. an aunt of Lincoln, not a sister, as the
dates (Elizabeth b. 1444, Stonor d. 1474) suggest, unless we have the
wrong Stonor.
> I would be delighted if your "Blanc Sanglier" article could
disprove our reservations, quoting the author. This would shatter
the "Lincoln's siblings only managed one child and she became a nun"
theory, much the same as Jones disproved the "Lady Margaret only had
one grandchild and he died in the Tower in 1542" theory.
>
> Stephen
Unfortunately it doesn't give any more info than I gave you before. I
did give the full details of the article, including author, I'm sure.
I donwnloaded relevant sections of DNB today, and I'm convinced the
author got most of the info from there, including misidentification
of Oxford prodigy as Earl Edmund. I see from Bennett that it was
indeed the clerical Edward who was the Oxford don.
I've also ascertained that the de la Pole Abbess of Barking was
Lincoln's great-aunt Katherine, not his sister Anne.
Have you tried the Complete Peerage? That very often gives complete
lists of peers' children, and is a much better source for this sort
of thing than the DNB. Also, Burkes' Gentry might give the Stonor
line. An edition of the Stonor Papers themselves might be worth a
look - even if nothing in the papers, there may be in the
introduction or notes.
Best of luck,
Marie
>
>
Re: de la Pole sisters (?)
2004-06-27 10:02:09
--- In , "mariewalsh2003" <>
I've also ascertained that the de la Pole Abbess of Barking was
> Lincoln's great-aunt Katherine, not his sister Anne.
I now have the proper info on the de la Pole sister Anne who was a
nun, from Cecily Neville's will, viz after bequests to "my son of
Suffolk", "my son [sic - she refers to all her grandchildren as 'son'
or 'daughter'] Humfrey", she goes on: "Also I geue to my doughter
Anne Priores of Sion a boke of Bonaventure and Hilton in the same in
englishe and a book of the Revelacions of saint Burgitte".
Sion, of course, was the religious house at Brentford, Middlesex,
much patronised by the Yorkists (Cecily had a long-standing interest
in the house); granted to the Percys after the Dissolution. I've got
a feeling Edward IV's nunly daughter Brigit was also at Sion (Bridget
got left Cecily's copy of the Legenda Aurea ['Golden Legend'], Life
of St Katherine of Sienna and book of St Matilde [the last being
thought to have been, possibly, the same copy once owned by Richard
and Anne, which has Anne Neville's signature in].)
Marie
I've also ascertained that the de la Pole Abbess of Barking was
> Lincoln's great-aunt Katherine, not his sister Anne.
I now have the proper info on the de la Pole sister Anne who was a
nun, from Cecily Neville's will, viz after bequests to "my son of
Suffolk", "my son [sic - she refers to all her grandchildren as 'son'
or 'daughter'] Humfrey", she goes on: "Also I geue to my doughter
Anne Priores of Sion a boke of Bonaventure and Hilton in the same in
englishe and a book of the Revelacions of saint Burgitte".
Sion, of course, was the religious house at Brentford, Middlesex,
much patronised by the Yorkists (Cecily had a long-standing interest
in the house); granted to the Percys after the Dissolution. I've got
a feeling Edward IV's nunly daughter Brigit was also at Sion (Bridget
got left Cecily's copy of the Legenda Aurea ['Golden Legend'], Life
of St Katherine of Sienna and book of St Matilde [the last being
thought to have been, possibly, the same copy once owned by Richard
and Anne, which has Anne Neville's signature in].)
Marie