BBC News - Richard III: Battle story told through artwork

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-25919409

Jan again. I don't know what to make of this. I need to see more.

I think the issue is that the only connection Leicester can make to Richard is that he left there for battle and returned there, dead, naked, savagely abused on the battlefield and en route, jeered at, displayed naked and finally dumped unceremoniously in an appalling grave. That is the "history" of Richard and Leicester and it is not appealing, and is really nothing to do with Richard - 95% of it happened after his death. And his life was spent elsewhere but Leicester can hardly advertise that. Basically there is no connection from Richard's life to Leicester.

The idea of twelve metal plates depicting the events of Bosworth and post-Bosworth is horrific. It's not really appropriate to display at all as a commemorative artwork.

Hi,
I do agree with you about the connections between Richard and Leicester.But Leicester are going to do what they want.It would be a good gesture/idea if the Society were asked to be involved.The designs viewed from the largest metal plate looked quite good although I didn't really realise what they would involve.I have just seen an image, via Jan, relating to the visitor centre and it's awful!An image of Richard's bones laid out going towards a scan.Leicester has a wonderful opportunity to *do* something truly wonderful and I hope they achieve it.If they don't we can only hope that somewhere someone else will succeed and produce something worthy of Richard and his life story.
Kathryn x

--- In , colyngbourne <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> I think the issue is that the only connection Leicester can make to Richard is that he left there for battle and returned there, dead, naked, savagely abused on the battlefield and en route, jeered at, displayed naked and finally dumped unceremoniously in an appalling grave. That is the "history" of Richard and Leicester and it is not appealing, and is really nothing to do with Richard - 95% of it happened after his death. And his life was spent elsewhere but Leicester can hardly advertise that. Basically there is no connection from Richard's life to Leicester.
>
> The idea of twelve metal plates depicting the events of Bosworth and post-Bosworth is horrific. It's not really appropriate to display at all as a commemorative artwork.
>

Col to quote my husband (who as a man of Leeds is threatening to turn up with placards if it's Leicester) when was he ever Richard of Leicester? H

On Tuesday, 28 January 2014, 23:51, "kathryng56@..." <kathryng56@...> wrote:
Hi,
I do agree with you about the connections between Richard and Leicester.But Leicester are going to do what they want.It would be a good gesture/idea if the Society were asked to be involved.The designs viewed from the largest metal plate looked quite good although I didn't really realise what they would involve.I have just seen an image, via Jan, relating to the visitor centre and it's awful!An image of Richard's bones laid out going towards a scan.Leicester has a wonderful opportunity to *do* something truly wonderful and I hope they achieve it.If they don't we can only hope that somewhere someone else will succeed and produce something worthy of Richard and his life story.
Kathryn x

--- In , colyngbourne <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> I think the issue is that the only connection Leicester can make to Richard is that he left there for battle and returned there, dead, naked, savagely abused on the battlefield and en route, jeered at, displayed naked and finally dumped unceremoniously in an appalling grave. That is the "history" of Richard and Leicester and it is not appealing, and is really nothing to do with Richard - 95% of it happened after his death. And his life was spent elsewhere but Leicester can hardly advertise that. Basically there is no connection from Richard's life to Leicester.
>
> The idea of twelve metal plates depicting the events of Bosworth and post-Bosworth is horrific. It's not really appropriate to display at all as a commemorative artwork.
>

Not Richard of Leicester, but he WAS Richard of Gloucester. Sooo... (I know, it's a lost cause, but I can still dream.) Sandra =^..^= From: Hilary Jones Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 9:03 AM To: Subject: Re: Re: BBC News - Richard III: Battle story told through artwork Col to quote my husband (who as a man of Leeds is threatening to turn up with placards if it's Leicester) when was he ever Richard of Leicester? H

Yes Sandra, Portillo visited Glos cathedral in his programme last week (and Bloody Meadow Tewkesbury where they sell Queen Margaret Tewkesbury mustard - very strong and spicy). That cathedral much better befits a King than Leicester. H

On Wednesday, 29 January 2014, 9:21, SandraMachin <sandramachin@...> wrote:
Not Richard of Leicester, but he WAS Richard of Gloucester. Sooo... (I know, it's a lost cause, but I can still dream.) Sandra =^..^= From: Hilary Jones Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 9:03 AM To: Subject: Re: Re: BBC News - Richard III: Battle story told through artwork Col to quote my husband (who as a man of Leeds is threatening to turn up with placards if it's Leicester) when was he ever Richard of Leicester? H

Hi Hilary and Col,
Just replying in case anyone thought I was refering to Richard's final resting place.It was the gardens and visitor centre I was thinking about.
Kathryn x


--- In , Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...> wrote:
>
> Col to quote my husband (who as a man of Leeds is threatening to turn up with placards if it's Leicester) when was he ever Richard of Leicester? H
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, 28 January 2014, 23:51, "kathryng56@..." <kathryng56@...> wrote:
>
>  
> Hi,
> I do agree with you about the connections between Richard and Leicester.But Leicester are going to do what they want.It would be a good gesture/idea if the Society were asked to be involved.The designs viewed from the largest metal plate looked quite good although I didn't really realise what they would involve.I have just seen an image, via Jan, relating to the visitor centre and it's awful!An image of Richard's bones laid out going towards a scan.Leicester has a wonderful opportunity to *do* something truly wonderful and I hope they achieve it.If they don't we can only hope that somewhere someone else will succeed and produce something worthy of Richard and his life story.
> Kathryn x
>
> --- In , colyngbourne <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > I think the issue is that the only connection Leicester can make to Richard is that he left there for battle and returned there, dead, naked, savagely abused on the battlefield and en route, jeered at, displayed naked and finally dumped unceremoniously in an appalling grave. That is the "history" of Richard and Leicester and it is not appealing, and is really nothing to do with Richard - 95% of it happened after his death. And his life was spent elsewhere but Leicester can hardly advertise that. Basically there is no connection from Richard's life to Leicester.
> >
> > The idea of twelve metal plates depicting the events of Bosworth and post-Bosworth is horrific. It's not really appropriate to display at all as a commemorative artwork.
> >
>

Sorry but to me it's all part of the same thing. As Col says, why celebrate his horrific death which is the only thing that happened to him near Leicester - we have a Battlefield Centre? What Leicester/Leicester Uni seem to be about is getting themselves recognised as the top centre for DNA research on the back of the Richard discovery. They of course always omit to mention that you need to do the genealogical research before you can even start with DNA. So never a mention of JAH. H

On Wednesday, 29 January 2014, 9:48, "kathryng56@..." <kathryng56@...> wrote:
Hi Hilary and Col,
Just replying in case anyone thought I was refering to Richard's final resting place.It was the gardens and visitor centre I was thinking about.
Kathryn x

--- In , Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...> wrote:
>
> Col to quote my husband (who as a man of Leeds is threatening to turn up with placards if it's Leicester) when was he ever Richard of Leicester? H
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, 28 January 2014, 23:51, "kathryng56@..." <kathryng56@...> wrote:
>
> Â
> Hi,
> I do agree with you about the connections between Richard and Leicester.But Leicester are going to do what they want.It would be a good gesture/idea if the Society were asked to be involved.The designs viewed from the largest metal plate looked quite good although I didn't really realise what they would involve.I have just seen an image, via Jan, relating to the visitor centre and it's awful!An image of Richard's bones laid out going towards a scan.Leicester has a wonderful opportunity to *do* something truly wonderful and I hope they achieve it.If they don't we can only hope that somewhere someone else will succeed and produce something worthy of Richard and his life story.
> Kathryn x
>
> --- In , colyngbourne <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > I think the issue is that the only connection Leicester can make to Richard is that he left there for battle and returned there, dead, naked, savagely abused on the battlefield and en route, jeered at, displayed naked and finally dumped unceremoniously in an appalling grave. That is the "history" of Richard and Leicester and it is not appealing, and is really nothing to do with Richard - 95% of it happened after his death. And his life was spent elsewhere but Leicester can hardly advertise that. Basically there is no connection from Richard's life to Leicester.
> >
> > The idea of twelve metal plates depicting the events of Bosworth and post-Bosworth is horrific. It's not really appropriate to display at all as a commemorative artwork.
> >
>

Hi Hilary,
I agree that his treatment after Bosworth was appalling.At least he was buried in a holy place and the good news is that he can now be laid to rest with honour.
John Ashdown-Hill,Philippa Langely and the Society will always be connected with the finding of Richard.So too will Leicester and its University. Apart from Richard's final resting place perhaps his lasting memorial is that he is still remembered and has his own Society.
Kathryn x


--- In , Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry but to me it's all part of the same thing. As Col says, why celebrate his horrific death which is the only thing that happened to him near Leicester - we have a Battlefield Centre? What Leicester/Leicester Uni seem to be about is getting themselves recognised as the top centre for DNA research on the back of the Richard discovery. They of course always omit to mention that you need to do the genealogical research before you can even start with DNA.  So never a mention of JAH. H
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, 29 January 2014, 9:48, "kathryng56@..." <kathryng56@...> wrote:
>
>  
> Hi Hilary and Col,
> Just replying in case anyone thought I was refering to Richard's final resting place.It was the gardens and visitor centre I was thinking about.
> Kathryn x
>
> --- In , Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@> wrote:
> >
> > Col to quote my husband (who as a man of Leeds is threatening to turn up with placards if it's Leicester) when was he ever Richard of Leicester? H
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, 28 January 2014, 23:51, "kathryng56@" <kathryng56@> wrote:
> >
> >  
> > Hi,
> > I do agree with you about the connections between Richard and Leicester.But Leicester are going to do what they want.It would be a good gesture/idea if the Society were asked to be involved.The designs viewed from the largest metal plate looked quite good although I didn't really realise what they would involve.I have just seen an image, via Jan, relating to the visitor centre and it's awful!An image of Richard's bones laid out going towards a scan.Leicester has a wonderful opportunity to *do* something truly wonderful and I hope they achieve it.If they don't we can only hope that somewhere someone else will succeed and produce something worthy of Richard and his life story.
> > Kathryn x
> >
> > --- In , colyngbourne <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think the issue is that the only connection Leicester can make to Richard is that he left there for battle and returned there, dead, naked, savagely abused on the battlefield and en route, jeered at, displayed naked and finally dumped unceremoniously in an appalling grave. That is the "history" of Richard and Leicester and it is not appealing, and is really nothing to do with Richard - 95% of it happened after his death. And his life was spent elsewhere but Leicester can hardly advertise that. Basically there is no connection from Richard's life to Leicester.
> > >
> > > The idea of twelve metal plates depicting the events of Bosworth and post-Bosworth is horrific. It's not really appropriate to display at all as a commemorative artwork.
> > >
> >
>