Richard's DNA

Ohh, I'm not sure replying on the Daily Mail is a good idea. I've read their comments sections before when I've been sent a link by a friend. Many commenters are "trolls", that is people who derive pleasure from posting things designed to upset others as much as possible. I've seen things that are horrific about the disabled for instance. So I think any well-crafted reply will only give the trolls some extra opportunity to post deeply unpleasant things - Whether they really believe them or not?

Tony

Is anyone else on here disturbed at the amount of testing that is now going on, leading to more of Richard's remains being ground up and dispersed? What on earth else needs to be 'revealed' about him that isn't already known? Eye and hair colour? We have portraits! Lactose intolerance? Likelihood to develop Alzheimer's? What possible reasons could these be for further destroying the bones or teeth of this man? How far is this going beyond the dignified treatment that anyone has a right to expect for their mortal remains? I was angry last week and coming across this article has just reignited me! It makes for an interesting read: http://nerdalicious.com.au/history/richard-iii-the-unburied-king/

Is anyone else on here disturbed at the amount of testing that is now going on, leading to more of Richard's remains being ground up and dispersed? What on earth else needs to be 'revealed' about him that isn't already known? Eye and hair colour? We have portraits! Lactose intolerance? Likelihood to develop Alzheimer's? What possible reasons could these be for further destroying the bones or teeth of this man? How far is this going beyond the dignified treatment that anyone has a right to expect for their mortal remains? I was angry last week and coming across this article has just reignited me! It makes for an interesting read: http://nerdalicious.com.au/history/richard-iii-the-unburied-king/

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Is anyone else on here disturbed at the amount of testing that is now going on, leading to more of Richard's remains being ground up and dispersed? What on earth else needs to be 'revealed' about him that isn't already known? Eye and hair colour? We have portraits! Lactose intolerance? Likelihood to develop Alzheimer's? What possible reasons could these be for further destroying the bones or teeth of this man? How far is this going beyond the dignified treatment that anyone has a right to expect for their mortal remains? I was angry last week and coming across this article has just reignited me! It makes for an interesting read: http://nerdalicious.com.au/history/richard-iii-the-unburied-king/

Searched Richard III and found nothing regarding this matter, only reburial locations.
Paul

On 18/02/2014 18:09, SandraMachin wrote:
There does not appear to be a government e-petition about this (if there is, I couldn't find it), so I have set one up, requesting there be no more research on Richard's remains, and that he be placed somewhere suitable according to the Christian faith, prior to being re-interred, wherever that will be. I've only just done it, so it's not up yet, but it will be. Then we can all let them know our feelings about this dreadful state of affairs. It will appear on the http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/ site. Just search Richard III. Sandra =^..^= From: cfellinghamwebb@... Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 5:50 PM To: Subject: RE: Richard's DNA

Is anyone else on here disturbed at the amount of testing that is now going on, leading to more of Richard's remains being ground up and dispersed? What on earth else needs to be 'revealed' about him that isn't already known? Eye and hair colour? We have portraits! Lactose intolerance? Likelihood to develop Alzheimer's? What possible reasons could these be for further destroying the bones or teeth of this man? How far is this going beyond the dignified treatment that anyone has a right to expect for their mortal remains? I was angry last week and coming across this article has just reignited me! It makes for an interesting read: http://nerdalicious.com.au/history/richard-iii-the-unburied-king/

Is anyone else on here disturbed at the amount of testing that is now going on, leading to more of Richard's remains being ground up and dispersed? What on earth else needs to be 'revealed' about him that isn't already known? Eye and hair colour? We have portraits! Lactose intolerance? Likelihood to develop Alzheimer's? What possible reasons could these be for further destroying the bones or teeth of this man? How far is this going beyond the dignified treatment that anyone has a right to expect for their mortal remains? I was angry last week and coming across this article has just reignited me! It makes for an interesting read: http://nerdalicious.com.au/history/richard-iii-the-unburied-king/

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There are differing opinions on this new testing - we may personally feel okay about it, or deeply unhappy, or consider it should never be done to anyone, or that we would be quite happy for it to be done on any human remains, including our own. However, that is not the issue here - our personal preferences for whether we'd like it done ourselves (or to our grandfather's remains, say) is not the issue; the issue is about informed consent, and wider consultation, particularly so in the case of a known individual, and even more so in the case of royalty and a king of England. It is a dangerous prerogative to be setting, to take human remains of a known person for further testing, without any permission other than that given by the institution's own ethics committee.

Were any other institution or university attempting to give themselves the right to do this, I would be just as vehemently against it. Beyond identification, Richard should be laid to rest: he is not lab-fodder (as someone on another thread eloquently phrased it) - he is an anointed king of England - and not any university's possession to poke around with. As custodians they should be caretaking his dignity, not using him "as a resource" - Dr Turi King stated this in interview - "I like the fact that he's becoming a resource for us."

Even the Wellcome Institute representative, when asked, seemed quite accepting that a historical figure could, over time, physically become "public property".

No university, not Leicester, not London, not York, not Oxford or Cambridge, should be conducting this further testing.

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There are differing opinions on this new testing - we may personally feel okay about it, or deeply unhappy, or consider it should never be done to anyone, or that we would be quite happy for it to be done on any human remains, including our own. However, that is not the issue here - our personal preferences for whether we'd like it done ourselves (or to our grandfather's remains, say) is not the issue; the issue is about informed consent, and wider consultation, particularly so in the case of a known individual, and even more so in the case of royalty and a king of England. It is a dangerous prerogative to be setting, to take human remains of a known person for further testing, without any permission other than that given by the institution's own ethics committee.

Were any other institution or university attempting to give themselves the right to do this, I would be just as vehemently against it. Beyond identification, Richard should be laid to rest: he is not lab-fodder (as someone on another thread eloquently phrased it) - he is an anointed king of England - and not any university's possession to poke around with. As custodians they should be caretaking his dignity, not using him "as a resource" - Dr Turi King stated this in interview - "I like the fact that he's becoming a resource for us."

Even the Wellcome Institute representative, when asked, seemed quite accepting that a historical figure could, over time, physically become "public property".

No university, not Leicester, not London, not York, not Oxford or Cambridge, should be conducting this further testing.

Going down the rabbit trail of future science&&.so do we dig up everyone and study them? Do we get to see the urns? I love science, and know we have made amazing breakthroughs. BUT, there should be a limit on time. Let us please, please, please get this man reinterred!

From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of cherryripe.eileenb@...
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 7:11 AM
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I'm afraid that in some professions some people can get tunnel vision....they become blinkered and lose sight of the bigger picture. These particular archaeologists have lost sight of Richard the man and he is now merely Richard the lab specimen. When PL said on t.v. that she did not see just the bones, she saw the man, she was ridiculed. But I could understand what she meant. Hopefully though these particular archaeologists will be, in time, thwarted in their desires and Richard allowed to rest peacefully once again in his tomb. Eileen