Fw: On the genome sequencing of Richard III
Fw: On the genome sequencing of Richard III
2014-02-27 17:17:42
On the genome sequencing of Richard III
I'm sorry, but this communication is not acceptable to me. Taking of parts
of Richard's remains and continuing to work upon them is not my idea of what
should be done to him. Or what a Society devoted to him should not only be
condoning, but actively (or passively) supporting. When the Society originally
set out its wares to promote in every possible way research into the
life and times of Richard III' there was no notion that Richard would eventually be discovered,
or that his bones would be used this way. What is happening now is not
something with which I can go along. My conscience will not permit it. I do not
fit in the Richard III Society because its beliefs and mine have
diverged. So I will not be renewing my
membership when the time comes.
Sandra
From: The Richard III Society
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:28 PM
To: Sandra
Subject: On the genome sequencing of Richard III
The Richard III
SocietyPromoting research into
the life and times of Richard III since
1924Patron: HRH The Duke of
Gloucester KG GCVOBringing
you the latest important news and events about
Richard III.
Earlier
this year, the University of Leicester announced
that it plans to sequence the genome of Richard
III's DNA. In time, this will mean that we can all
know a lot more about the man e.g. his eye and
hair colour, the nature of his scoliosis and
something about his
family. Inevitably, members of the
Society are divided on the issue of further
testing on the remains of King Richard. Messages
have been received expressing both concern and
approval. Whether one approves or disagrees, it
must be remembered that, once the excavation began
and the subsequent events were started, the
Society no longer had any control. The Richard III
Society is not the custodian of the remains and
Society funds paid only for the dig and the facial
reconstruction. The scientific testing has been
paid for by others, including Leicester
University. The chairman has now
spoken with the team from the University and been
assured that the amount of material required for
the genome testing was very
small'. An analogy can be made
with the bones in an urn in Westminster Abbey, the
alleged Princes, and the fact that further testing
has not been available. Many people have been
asking for them to be the subject of modern
analysis on the basis that it is owed to future
generations to discover as much as possible. It
hasn't been allowed for the Abbey bones, but it
can be done for King
Richard. Understandable concern has
been expressed about the ethics of the project
because it involves the remains of an anointed
king, but whether king or a peasant, it makes no
difference provided the remains are treated in a
serious and respectful way. Michael
Ibsen, the named living collateral descendant who
gave one of the samples of DNA used to confirm the
remains as being those of Richard III, has not
objected to this further testing on his late
sixteen times great uncle. Indeed, he is
participating in the project. For
those who are against the further testing, there
are at least two on-line petitions which can be
accessed for you to express your
choice. There are many arguments for
and against further testing but it should be
remembered that, according to its aims, the
Richard III Society is to promote in every
possible way research into the life and times of
Richard III . It is our responsibility to
uphold this aim and to secure a reassessment of
his life and reputation.Executive
Committee.
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© 2014 The Richard III Society, All rights
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I'm sorry, but this communication is not acceptable to me. Taking of parts
of Richard's remains and continuing to work upon them is not my idea of what
should be done to him. Or what a Society devoted to him should not only be
condoning, but actively (or passively) supporting. When the Society originally
set out its wares to promote in every possible way research into the
life and times of Richard III' there was no notion that Richard would eventually be discovered,
or that his bones would be used this way. What is happening now is not
something with which I can go along. My conscience will not permit it. I do not
fit in the Richard III Society because its beliefs and mine have
diverged. So I will not be renewing my
membership when the time comes.
Sandra
From: The Richard III Society
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:28 PM
To: Sandra
Subject: On the genome sequencing of Richard III
The Richard III
SocietyPromoting research into
the life and times of Richard III since
1924Patron: HRH The Duke of
Gloucester KG GCVOBringing
you the latest important news and events about
Richard III.
Earlier
this year, the University of Leicester announced
that it plans to sequence the genome of Richard
III's DNA. In time, this will mean that we can all
know a lot more about the man e.g. his eye and
hair colour, the nature of his scoliosis and
something about his
family. Inevitably, members of the
Society are divided on the issue of further
testing on the remains of King Richard. Messages
have been received expressing both concern and
approval. Whether one approves or disagrees, it
must be remembered that, once the excavation began
and the subsequent events were started, the
Society no longer had any control. The Richard III
Society is not the custodian of the remains and
Society funds paid only for the dig and the facial
reconstruction. The scientific testing has been
paid for by others, including Leicester
University. The chairman has now
spoken with the team from the University and been
assured that the amount of material required for
the genome testing was very
small'. An analogy can be made
with the bones in an urn in Westminster Abbey, the
alleged Princes, and the fact that further testing
has not been available. Many people have been
asking for them to be the subject of modern
analysis on the basis that it is owed to future
generations to discover as much as possible. It
hasn't been allowed for the Abbey bones, but it
can be done for King
Richard. Understandable concern has
been expressed about the ethics of the project
because it involves the remains of an anointed
king, but whether king or a peasant, it makes no
difference provided the remains are treated in a
serious and respectful way. Michael
Ibsen, the named living collateral descendant who
gave one of the samples of DNA used to confirm the
remains as being those of Richard III, has not
objected to this further testing on his late
sixteen times great uncle. Indeed, he is
participating in the project. For
those who are against the further testing, there
are at least two on-line petitions which can be
accessed for you to express your
choice. There are many arguments for
and against further testing but it should be
remembered that, according to its aims, the
Richard III Society is to promote in every
possible way research into the life and times of
Richard III . It is our responsibility to
uphold this aim and to secure a reassessment of
his life and reputation.Executive
Committee.
Copyright
© 2014 The Richard III Society, All rights
reserved.You are receiving this e-mail
because your are either a member of The Richard
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Re: Fw: On the genome sequencing of Richard III
2014-02-27 17:38:49
And there was me thinking it was a sensible, respectful and balanced response (whilst not necessarily reflecting everything that the Society's saying behind the scenes).
Thanks, also, to Tamara for forwarding a thought-provoking and pertinent email.
Jonathan
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
From:
SandraMachin <sandramachin@...>;
To:
<>;
Subject:
Fw: On the genome sequencing of Richard III
Sent:
Thu, Feb 27, 2014 5:17:34 PM
I'm sorry, but this communication is not acceptable to me. Taking of parts
of Richard's remains and continuing to work upon them is not my idea of what
should be done to him. Or what a Society devoted to him should not only be
condoning, but actively (or passively) supporting. When the Society originally
set out its wares to promote in every possible way research into the
life and times of Richard III' there was no notion that Richard would eventually be discovered,
or that his bones would be used this way. What is happening now is not
something with which I can go along. My conscience will not permit it. I do not
fit in the Richard III Society because its beliefs and mine have
diverged. So I will not be renewing my
membership when the time comes.
Sandra
From: The Richard III Society
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:28 PM
To: Sandra
Subject: On the genome sequencing of Richard III
The Richard III
SocietyPromoting research into
the life and times of Richard III since
1924Patron: HRH The Duke of
Gloucester KG GCVOBringing
you the latest important news and events about
Richard III.
Earlier
this year, the University of Leicester announced
that it plans to sequence the genome of Richard
III's DNA. In time, this will mean that we can all
know a lot more about the man e.g. his eye and
hair colour, the nature of his scoliosis and
something about his
family. Inevitably, members of the
Society are divided on the issue of further
testing on the remains of King Richard. Messages
have been received expressing both concern and
approval. Whether one approves or disagrees, it
must be remembered that, once the excavation began
and the subsequent events were started, the
Society no longer had any control. The Richard III
Society is not the custodian of the remains and
Society funds paid only for the dig and the facial
reconstruction. The scientific testing has been
paid for by others, including Leicester
University. The chairman has now
spoken with the team from the University and been
assured that the amount of material required for
the genome testing was very
small'. An analogy can be made
with the bones in an urn in Westminster Abbey, the
alleged Princes, and the fact that further testing
has not been available. Many people have been
asking for them to be the subject of modern
analysis on the basis that it is owed to future
generations to discover as much as possible. It
hasn't been allowed for the Abbey bones, but it
can be done for King
Richard. Understandable concern has
been expressed about the ethics of the project
because it involves the remains of an anointed
king, but whether king or a peasant, it makes no
difference provided the remains are treated in a
serious and respectful way. Michael
Ibsen, the named living collateral descendant who
gave one of the samples of DNA used to confirm the
remains as being those of Richard III, has not
objected to this further testing on his late
sixteen times great uncle. Indeed, he is
participating in the project. For
those who are against the further testing, there
are at least two on-line petitions which can be
accessed for you to express your
choice. There are many arguments for
and against further testing but it should be
remembered that, according to its aims, the
Richard III Society is to promote in every
possible way research into the life and times of
Richard III . It is our responsibility to
uphold this aim and to secure a reassessment of
his life and reputation.Executive
Committee.
Copyright
© 2014 The Richard III Society, All rights
reserved.You are receiving this e-mail
because your are either a member of The Richard
III Society, or you opted-in from our web site
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III Society
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Thanks, also, to Tamara for forwarding a thought-provoking and pertinent email.
Jonathan
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
From:
SandraMachin <sandramachin@...>;
To:
<>;
Subject:
Fw: On the genome sequencing of Richard III
Sent:
Thu, Feb 27, 2014 5:17:34 PM
I'm sorry, but this communication is not acceptable to me. Taking of parts
of Richard's remains and continuing to work upon them is not my idea of what
should be done to him. Or what a Society devoted to him should not only be
condoning, but actively (or passively) supporting. When the Society originally
set out its wares to promote in every possible way research into the
life and times of Richard III' there was no notion that Richard would eventually be discovered,
or that his bones would be used this way. What is happening now is not
something with which I can go along. My conscience will not permit it. I do not
fit in the Richard III Society because its beliefs and mine have
diverged. So I will not be renewing my
membership when the time comes.
Sandra
From: The Richard III Society
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:28 PM
To: Sandra
Subject: On the genome sequencing of Richard III
The Richard III
SocietyPromoting research into
the life and times of Richard III since
1924Patron: HRH The Duke of
Gloucester KG GCVOBringing
you the latest important news and events about
Richard III.
Earlier
this year, the University of Leicester announced
that it plans to sequence the genome of Richard
III's DNA. In time, this will mean that we can all
know a lot more about the man e.g. his eye and
hair colour, the nature of his scoliosis and
something about his
family. Inevitably, members of the
Society are divided on the issue of further
testing on the remains of King Richard. Messages
have been received expressing both concern and
approval. Whether one approves or disagrees, it
must be remembered that, once the excavation began
and the subsequent events were started, the
Society no longer had any control. The Richard III
Society is not the custodian of the remains and
Society funds paid only for the dig and the facial
reconstruction. The scientific testing has been
paid for by others, including Leicester
University. The chairman has now
spoken with the team from the University and been
assured that the amount of material required for
the genome testing was very
small'. An analogy can be made
with the bones in an urn in Westminster Abbey, the
alleged Princes, and the fact that further testing
has not been available. Many people have been
asking for them to be the subject of modern
analysis on the basis that it is owed to future
generations to discover as much as possible. It
hasn't been allowed for the Abbey bones, but it
can be done for King
Richard. Understandable concern has
been expressed about the ethics of the project
because it involves the remains of an anointed
king, but whether king or a peasant, it makes no
difference provided the remains are treated in a
serious and respectful way. Michael
Ibsen, the named living collateral descendant who
gave one of the samples of DNA used to confirm the
remains as being those of Richard III, has not
objected to this further testing on his late
sixteen times great uncle. Indeed, he is
participating in the project. For
those who are against the further testing, there
are at least two on-line petitions which can be
accessed for you to express your
choice. There are many arguments for
and against further testing but it should be
remembered that, according to its aims, the
Richard III Society is to promote in every
possible way research into the life and times of
Richard III . It is our responsibility to
uphold this aim and to secure a reassessment of
his life and reputation.Executive
Committee.
Copyright
© 2014 The Richard III Society, All rights
reserved.You are receiving this e-mail
because your are either a member of The Richard
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Re: Fw: On the genome sequencing of Richard III
2014-02-27 18:00:57
This subject is proving to be very devisive....which is a great shame...And Sandra...it will be a great shame if you leave the Society but having said that I can fully understand how you feel......Eileen
Re: Fw: On the genome sequencing of Richard III
2014-02-27 18:03:35
Jonathan I would much prefer to hear what the Society is saying 'behind the scenes' rather than platitudes...Eileen
Re: Fw: On the genome sequencing of Richard III
2014-02-27 19:06:08
I agree with your sentiments, Sandra. I think there will be many - including many longstanding members - who will leave the Society over this "neutrality" which is actually supporting the further experimentation on King Richard's remains - without wider permission or consultation. Michael Ibsen might support this (collateral descendant) but the Plantagenet Alliance (upwards towards forty collateral descendants now) are publicly against this, as are the actual LOOKING FOR RICHARD TEAM. No mention of that in the Society's email. It is not comparable to the possible investigation of the remains in the urn. Any testing which is desired on those is for identification only - as was the DNA testing on Richard's remains last year. Genomic testing is very different, and enables a whole new world of research and copiable sections of Richard's genome sequence, which has the potential of financial benefits, let alone the kudos for the university, which brings funding and academic tenure for those involved.
Re: Fw: On the genome sequencing of Richard III
2014-02-27 19:55:21
I am in total agreement with you on this Sandra.
Re: Fw: On the genome sequencing of Richard III
2014-02-27 20:47:10
Dear Sandra,I hope you get this message.I am so sorry that things have reached this stage.I do not wish to interfer with you and your conscience but if you could find away to stay as part of the Society,I personally would be extremely grateful.Your opinions are important and if everyone leaves then there's no one to put these issues forward.Thinking of you and hoping you that you have peace.Love and best wishesKathryn x
Re: Fw: On the genome sequencing of Richard III
2014-02-28 13:22:08
Sandra Never give up - we've all been there! Don't go - it doesn't help him. BTW did anyone see the article (on Yahoo yesterday which I can't now find) about the Queen's surprise to learn that Richard was found under a carpark? She was presenting awards to universities yesterday with Prince Philip when she gave one to Leics about the dig and DNA and expressed surprise. Now the Queen (and Philip) are not the sort to feign surprise to be diplomatic - they'd rather dodge round the whole subject or gloss over it. Methinks some courtier may be getting a well-aimed boot!! H On Thursday, 27 February 2014, 18:00, "cherryripe.eileenb@..." <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
This subject is proving to be very devisive....which is a great shame...And Sandra...it will be a great shame if you leave the Society but having said that I can fully understand how you feel......Eileen
This subject is proving to be very devisive....which is a great shame...And Sandra...it will be a great shame if you leave the Society but having said that I can fully understand how you feel......Eileen
Re: Fw: On the genome sequencing of Richard III
2014-02-28 18:31:34
Yes, Sandra, please don't leave us, we love your contributions. This will all be settled soon and we can all get back to defending Richard's reputation.
Jess
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
From:
Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...>;
To:
<>;
Subject:
Re: RE: Fw: On the genome sequencing of Richard III
Sent:
Fri, Feb 28, 2014 1:22:07 PM
Sandra Never give up - we've all been there! Don't go - it doesn't help him. BTW did anyone see the article (on Yahoo yesterday which I can't now find) about the Queen's surprise to learn that Richard was found under a carpark? She was presenting awards to universities yesterday with Prince Philip when she gave one to Leics about the dig and DNA and expressed surprise. Now the Queen (and Philip) are not the sort to feign surprise to be diplomatic - they'd rather dodge round the whole subject or gloss over it. Methinks some courtier may be getting a well-aimed boot!! H On Thursday, 27 February 2014, 18:00, "cherryripe.eileenb@..." <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
This subject is proving to be very devisive....which is a great shame...And Sandra...it will be a great shame if you leave the Society but having said that I can fully understand how you feel......Eileen
Jess
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
From:
Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...>;
To:
<>;
Subject:
Re: RE: Fw: On the genome sequencing of Richard III
Sent:
Fri, Feb 28, 2014 1:22:07 PM
Sandra Never give up - we've all been there! Don't go - it doesn't help him. BTW did anyone see the article (on Yahoo yesterday which I can't now find) about the Queen's surprise to learn that Richard was found under a carpark? She was presenting awards to universities yesterday with Prince Philip when she gave one to Leics about the dig and DNA and expressed surprise. Now the Queen (and Philip) are not the sort to feign surprise to be diplomatic - they'd rather dodge round the whole subject or gloss over it. Methinks some courtier may be getting a well-aimed boot!! H On Thursday, 27 February 2014, 18:00, "cherryripe.eileenb@..." <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
This subject is proving to be very devisive....which is a great shame...And Sandra...it will be a great shame if you leave the Society but having said that I can fully understand how you feel......Eileen
Re: Fw: On the genome sequencing of Richard III
2014-02-28 19:03:36
Thank you, everyone, for being noble enough to want me back. As I only
renewed my membership a couple of weeks ago (forgot that!) I guess I'm around
for about a year anyway. Must get my money's worth. Unless I sit in a sulk in a
corner, of course, but I have too much to say for myself for that. Richard is
indeed our purpose, and I was sufficiently incensed to lose the plot. Sorry.
Sandra
=^..^=
From: Jessie Skinner
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 6:28 PM
To:
Subject: Re: RE: Fw: On the genome
sequencing of Richard III
Yes, Sandra, please don't leave us, we love your contributions. This
will all be settled soon and we can all get back to defending Richard's
reputation.
Jess
Sent from
Yahoo Mail on Android
From: Hilary Jones
<hjnatdat@...>; To:
<>; Subject: Re:
RE: Fw: On the genome sequencing of Richard III Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 1:22:07 PM
Sandra
Never give up - we've all been there! Don't go - it doesn't
help him.
BTW did anyone see the article (on Yahoo yesterday which I
can't now find) about the Queen's surprise to learn that Richard was found
under a carpark? She was presenting awards to universities yesterday with
Prince Philip when she gave one to Leics about the dig and DNA and
expressed surprise. Now the Queen (and Philip) are not the sort to feign
surprise to be diplomatic - they'd rather dodge round the whole subject or
gloss over it. Methinks some courtier may be getting a well-aimed boot!!
H
On Thursday, 27 February 2014, 18:00,
"cherryripe.eileenb@..."
<cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
This subject is proving to be very devisive....which is a great
shame...
And Sandra...it will be a great shame if you leave the Society but
having said that I can fully understand how you
feel......Eileen
renewed my membership a couple of weeks ago (forgot that!) I guess I'm around
for about a year anyway. Must get my money's worth. Unless I sit in a sulk in a
corner, of course, but I have too much to say for myself for that. Richard is
indeed our purpose, and I was sufficiently incensed to lose the plot. Sorry.
Sandra
=^..^=
From: Jessie Skinner
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 6:28 PM
To:
Subject: Re: RE: Fw: On the genome
sequencing of Richard III
Yes, Sandra, please don't leave us, we love your contributions. This
will all be settled soon and we can all get back to defending Richard's
reputation.
Jess
Sent from
Yahoo Mail on Android
From: Hilary Jones
<hjnatdat@...>; To:
<>; Subject: Re:
RE: Fw: On the genome sequencing of Richard III Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 1:22:07 PM
Sandra
Never give up - we've all been there! Don't go - it doesn't
help him.
BTW did anyone see the article (on Yahoo yesterday which I
can't now find) about the Queen's surprise to learn that Richard was found
under a carpark? She was presenting awards to universities yesterday with
Prince Philip when she gave one to Leics about the dig and DNA and
expressed surprise. Now the Queen (and Philip) are not the sort to feign
surprise to be diplomatic - they'd rather dodge round the whole subject or
gloss over it. Methinks some courtier may be getting a well-aimed boot!!
H
On Thursday, 27 February 2014, 18:00,
"cherryripe.eileenb@..."
<cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
This subject is proving to be very devisive....which is a great
shame...
And Sandra...it will be a great shame if you leave the Society but
having said that I can fully understand how you
feel......Eileen
Re: Fw: On the genome sequencing of Richard III
2014-02-28 19:56:07
Jan here.Honestly no need to apologize. Didn't God get reported as saying to the Laodiceans in Revelations, " I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot: I would that you were cold or hot." You put us lukewarm types to shame. On 28 Feb 2014, at 19:03, "SandraMachin" <sandramachin@...> wrote:
Thank you, everyone, for being noble enough to want me back. As I only
renewed my membership a couple of weeks ago (forgot that!) I guess I'm around
for about a year anyway. Must get my money's worth. Unless I sit in a sulk in a
corner, of course, but I have too much to say for myself for that. Richard is
indeed our purpose, and I was sufficiently incensed to lose the plot. Sorry.
Sandra
=^..^=
From: Jessie Skinner
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 6:28 PM
To:
Subject: Re: RE: Fw: On the genome
sequencing of Richard III
Yes, Sandra, please don't leave us, we love your contributions. This
will all be settled soon and we can all get back to defending Richard's
reputation.
Jess
Sent from
Yahoo Mail on Android
From: Hilary Jones
<hjnatdat@...>; To:
<>; Subject: Re:
RE: Fw: On the genome sequencing of Richard III Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 1:22:07 PM
Sandra
Never give up - we've all been there! Don't go - it doesn't
help him.
BTW did anyone see the article (on Yahoo yesterday which I
can't now find) about the Queen's surprise to learn that Richard was found
under a carpark? She was presenting awards to universities yesterday with
Prince Philip when she gave one to Leics about the dig and DNA and
expressed surprise. Now the Queen (and Philip) are not the sort to feign
surprise to be diplomatic - they'd rather dodge round the whole subject or
gloss over it. Methinks some courtier may be getting a well-aimed boot!!
H
On Thursday, 27 February 2014, 18:00,
"cherryripe.eileenb@..."
<cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
This subject is proving to be very devisive....which is a great
shame...
And Sandra...it will be a great shame if you leave the Society but
having said that I can fully understand how you
feel......Eileen
Thank you, everyone, for being noble enough to want me back. As I only
renewed my membership a couple of weeks ago (forgot that!) I guess I'm around
for about a year anyway. Must get my money's worth. Unless I sit in a sulk in a
corner, of course, but I have too much to say for myself for that. Richard is
indeed our purpose, and I was sufficiently incensed to lose the plot. Sorry.
Sandra
=^..^=
From: Jessie Skinner
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2014 6:28 PM
To:
Subject: Re: RE: Fw: On the genome
sequencing of Richard III
Yes, Sandra, please don't leave us, we love your contributions. This
will all be settled soon and we can all get back to defending Richard's
reputation.
Jess
Sent from
Yahoo Mail on Android
From: Hilary Jones
<hjnatdat@...>; To:
<>; Subject: Re:
RE: Fw: On the genome sequencing of Richard III Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 1:22:07 PM
Sandra
Never give up - we've all been there! Don't go - it doesn't
help him.
BTW did anyone see the article (on Yahoo yesterday which I
can't now find) about the Queen's surprise to learn that Richard was found
under a carpark? She was presenting awards to universities yesterday with
Prince Philip when she gave one to Leics about the dig and DNA and
expressed surprise. Now the Queen (and Philip) are not the sort to feign
surprise to be diplomatic - they'd rather dodge round the whole subject or
gloss over it. Methinks some courtier may be getting a well-aimed boot!!
H
On Thursday, 27 February 2014, 18:00,
"cherryripe.eileenb@..."
<cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
This subject is proving to be very devisive....which is a great
shame...
And Sandra...it will be a great shame if you leave the Society but
having said that I can fully understand how you
feel......Eileen
Re: Fw: On the genome sequencing of Richard III
2014-03-09 04:08:17
Phil Stone has no choice but to remain neutral because, as this discussion shows, R III Society members hold many differing and sometimes conflicting views, on emotional issues such as DNA testing and reburial sites. He can't choose one set of members over another and say that the Society holds those views and rejects the others. If those who love Richard drop out of the Society, it will be left to moderate traditionalists like Anthony Pollard, and worse, to full-fledged traditionalists like Michael Hicks. Rather than drop out, why not express your views (and I'm addressing no one in particular) in a letter to the editor of the Ricardian Bulletin, perhaps in response to one of Phil's "From the Chairman" pieces?Carol (T), who has stayed out of this thread because it's impossible to persuade anyone of anything in an emotion-based discussion
Re: Fw: On the genome sequencing of Richard III
2014-03-09 06:39:32
Very well put, Carol. From: "justcarol67@..." <justcarol67@...>
Phil Stone has no choice but to remain neutral because, as this discussion shows, R III Society members hold many differing and sometimes conflicting views, on emotional issues such as DNA testing and reburial sites. He can't choose one set of members over another and say that the Society holds those views and rejects the others. If those who love Richard drop out of the Society, it will be left to moderate traditionalists like Anthony Pollard, and worse, to full-fledged traditionalists like Michael Hicks. Rather than drop out, why not express your views (and I'm addressing no one in particular) in a letter to the editor of the Ricardian Bulletin, perhaps in response to one of Phil's "From the Chairman" pieces?Carol (T), who has stayed out of this thread because it's impossible to persuade anyone of anything in an emotion-based discussion
Phil Stone has no choice but to remain neutral because, as this discussion shows, R III Society members hold many differing and sometimes conflicting views, on emotional issues such as DNA testing and reburial sites. He can't choose one set of members over another and say that the Society holds those views and rejects the others. If those who love Richard drop out of the Society, it will be left to moderate traditionalists like Anthony Pollard, and worse, to full-fledged traditionalists like Michael Hicks. Rather than drop out, why not express your views (and I'm addressing no one in particular) in a letter to the editor of the Ricardian Bulletin, perhaps in response to one of Phil's "From the Chairman" pieces?Carol (T), who has stayed out of this thread because it's impossible to persuade anyone of anything in an emotion-based discussion
Re: Fw: On the genome sequencing of Richard III
2014-03-09 10:34:47
Many of my friends and I have contacted Dr Stone respectfully to give their views only to get rather patronizing answers. I do agree however the only way to change the society is to stay in and have a vote but how many votes are counted, only the ones who can get to the agm's which amounts to what? about 250 members. Not democratic in this day and age, I believe it is easy enough to set up an electronic system to do so and the majority of people are on email so what is the problem. I see Phillipa and her branch would like a vote to find out what the members think and hers is not the only branch to think this way.Loyaulte me LieChristine
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