Re: Coronation

Paul:
They were married before Louis became king. I don't recall there being a joint coronation. But I was talking of the English monarchy anyway.


Ann:
Henry VIII and Katherine of Aragon, June 24, 1509:

"The following day being a Sunday, and also Midsummer's Day, the noble prince with his queen left the palace for Westminster Abbey at the appointed hour. The barons of the Cinq Ports held canopies over the royal couple who trod on striped cloth of ray, which was immediately cut up by the crowd when they had entered the abbey. Inside, according to sacred tradition and ancient custom, his grace and the queen were anointed and crowned by the archbishop of Canterbury in the presence of other prelates of the realm and the nobility and a large number of civic dignitaries. The people were asked if they would take this most noble prince as their king and obey him. With great reverence, love and willingness they responded with the cry 'Yea, Yea'." Edward Hall

When Richard and Anne were crowned jopintly it was seen as an unusual thing.
Since I mentioned this Richard the Third Society Forum members have been
attacking and questioning it's validity. I wonder why?
Paul



> Paul:
> They were married before Louis became king. I don't recall there being a joint
> coronation. But I was talking of the English monarchy anyway.
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> Ann:
> Henry VIII and Katherine of Aragon, June 24, 1509:
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> "The following day being a Sunday, and also Midsummer's Day, the noble prince
> with his queen left the palace for Westminster Abbey at the appointed hour.
> The barons of the Cinq Ports held canopies over the royal couple who trod on
> striped cloth of ray, which was immediately cut up by the crowd when they had
> entered the abbey. Inside, according to sacred tradition and ancient custom,
> his grace and the queen were anointed and crowned by the archbishop of
> Canterbury in the presence of other prelates of the realm and the nobility and
> a large number of civic dignitaries. The people were asked if they would take
> this most noble prince as their king and obey him. With great reverence, love
> and willingness they responded with the cry 'Yea, Yea'." Edward Hall
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Out of interest I'm trying to work out who would have been present at
the coronation
banquet. Would any/all of the children below have been there
considering they're high ranking children of nobles? What age would
have been too young to attend?
Edward De la Pole 19
Edmunch De la Pole 12
Elizabeth De la Pole 10
John of Gloucester 13?
Katherine Plantagenet 13?
Henry Lord Morley 17
Edward of Middleham?? 10
Edward Stafford 10?
Thomas Howard 10

--- In , mrm_bell <no_reply@...>
wrote:
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> Out of interest I'm trying to work out who would have been present at
> the coronation
> banquet. Would any/all of the children below have been there
> considering they're high ranking children of nobles? What age would
> have been too young to attend?
> Edward De la Pole 19
> Edmunch De la Pole 12
> Elizabeth De la Pole 10
> John of Gloucester 13?
> Katherine Plantagenet 13?
> Henry Lord Morley 17
> Edward of Middleham?? 10
> Edward Stafford 10?
> Thomas Howard 10
>
If you mean Henry of Buckingham's son, Edward Stafford was born in 1478.

i would suspect any child past "breeching" age of 5 to 7 years would be considered eligible to attend a "grown up" party. breeching is when children went from unisex long gowns to wearing smaller versions of adult clothing and into formalised training according to their societal rank. breeching was considered a milestone in a child's life from at least the medieval era onwards.

i suspect it probably had something to do with toilet training. look at the hoopla we go through when one of our own no longer needs to wear diapers i.e. the tv ad (wow! i'm a big kid now) that sells pull up diapers.

some "experts" advise that we shouldn't "force" our children to "toilet" until they are ready. given medieval floor coverings vs ours..i can "see" toilet accidents as being of little concern during that era, but a certain welcome relief when the little one gained control of bowel and bladder.

in our more "modern" times, think of when little boys went from short pants to long pants, and little girls went from short dresses with pantaloons exposed to longer dresses. in our era, this usually occurred as a child approached the teenage years..which is also the age that medieval teens could accept or reject an arranged marriage. girls age 12, boys age 14.

roslyn

mrm_bell <[email protected]> wrote:
Out of interest I'm trying to work out who would have been present at
the coronation
banquet. Would any/all of the children below have been there
considering they're high ranking children of nobles? What age would
have been too young to attend?
Edward De la Pole 19
Edmunch De la Pole 12
Elizabeth De la Pole 10
John of Gloucester 13?
Katherine Plantagenet 13?
Henry Lord Morley 17
Edward of Middleham?? 10
Edward Stafford 10?
Thomas Howard 10






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