Genealogy and Acts of Attainder: developments
Genealogy and Acts of Attainder: developments
2004-07-10 16:38:45
First, the Five Century Challenge. If anyone had chosen Anne of Exeter and pursued her line completely, they may have found a few surprises. I shall leave this point open having investigated into the 18th century..
Second, the Clarence attainder, applied in 1477, was reversed in c.1502, as we know.
Warwick was attainted in 1504 and this was reversed in 1509/10 (H8 in a "new broom" mood")?
Lady Margaret was part of a general 1538 attainder. This was effectively reversed in either 1553-4 (Mary's gratitude to her mentor?) or during Elizabeth's reign.
A good comparison is Edward, Duke of Buckingham (x.1521). Although his eldest son, Henry (Ursula Pole's husband), was only created Baron Stafford in 1548, he was restored to most of his father's positions except the higher titles and given precedence over other Barons as if the 1483 and 1521 attainders had never happened.
I was in the library today, looking to borrow Robinson's book on the Staffords and Ruvigny's Clarence volume. Neither were available today but I have rediscovered Tim Powys-Lybbe and his site south_frm@... . He is of the Barrington line, descended from Winifred Pole's second marriage. They lived at Hatfield Broadoak from 1250 to 1836.
Incidentally, he spells the name POOLE.
Second, the Clarence attainder, applied in 1477, was reversed in c.1502, as we know.
Warwick was attainted in 1504 and this was reversed in 1509/10 (H8 in a "new broom" mood")?
Lady Margaret was part of a general 1538 attainder. This was effectively reversed in either 1553-4 (Mary's gratitude to her mentor?) or during Elizabeth's reign.
A good comparison is Edward, Duke of Buckingham (x.1521). Although his eldest son, Henry (Ursula Pole's husband), was only created Baron Stafford in 1548, he was restored to most of his father's positions except the higher titles and given precedence over other Barons as if the 1483 and 1521 attainders had never happened.
I was in the library today, looking to borrow Robinson's book on the Staffords and Ruvigny's Clarence volume. Neither were available today but I have rediscovered Tim Powys-Lybbe and his site south_frm@... . He is of the Barrington line, descended from Winifred Pole's second marriage. They lived at Hatfield Broadoak from 1250 to 1836.
Incidentally, he spells the name POOLE.
Re: Genealogy and Acts of Attainder: developments
2004-07-10 19:19:21
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> Second, the Clarence attainder, applied in 1477, was reversed in
c.1502, as we know.
> Warwick was attainted in 1504 and this was reversed in 1509/10 (H8
in a "new broom" mood")?
It is rather curious that H7 didn't attaint Warwick before his
execution. The reversal of Clarence's seems odd as it potentially
reinstates a rival family branch into the succession.
> Lady Margaret was part of a general 1538 attainder. This was
effectively reversed in either 1553-4 (Mary's gratitude to her
mentor?) or during Elizabeth's reign.
Do we have nothing more fefinite than this either or?
I am sorry I am not around much these days - have been working madly
on my paper, first draught complete, time to draw breath, but second
draught looks likely to be even stiffer work. Does anyone have
access to Documents Illustrating the "Impeachment of the Duke of
Buckingham in 1626", Camden Society, 1889, ed. S.R. Gardiner at all?
I can't traipse up and down to London and there are some quite
academic people here who may use a library in a university which has
it. If anyone could double check something for me I would be
eternally grateful.
B
> Second, the Clarence attainder, applied in 1477, was reversed in
c.1502, as we know.
> Warwick was attainted in 1504 and this was reversed in 1509/10 (H8
in a "new broom" mood")?
It is rather curious that H7 didn't attaint Warwick before his
execution. The reversal of Clarence's seems odd as it potentially
reinstates a rival family branch into the succession.
> Lady Margaret was part of a general 1538 attainder. This was
effectively reversed in either 1553-4 (Mary's gratitude to her
mentor?) or during Elizabeth's reign.
Do we have nothing more fefinite than this either or?
I am sorry I am not around much these days - have been working madly
on my paper, first draught complete, time to draw breath, but second
draught looks likely to be even stiffer work. Does anyone have
access to Documents Illustrating the "Impeachment of the Duke of
Buckingham in 1626", Camden Society, 1889, ed. S.R. Gardiner at all?
I can't traipse up and down to London and there are some quite
academic people here who may use a library in a university which has
it. If anyone could double check something for me I would be
eternally grateful.
B