Lady Eleanor Butler / Talbot

I read on Castelli that she had two daughters by Edward IV. Does anyone know what happened to them? After all, unlike his large Woodville brood, they were legitimate.

--- In , "Stephen Lark"
<smlark@t...> wrote:
> I read on Castelli that she had two daughters by Edward IV. Does
anyone know what happened to them? After all, unlike his large
Woodville brood, they were legitimate.

Ya don't say! Not everything on the web is true.

I have NEVER heard any suggestion of two. There is a story of an
Edward of Wigmore, which unfortunately has no solid evidence behind
it. But never a second. Also the (legitimate) status must be
Castelli's own decision.
For what it's worth, the female skeleton from the Carmelite house in
Norwich tentatively identified as Eleanor's has proved on examination
to be:
a) the right age
b) well nourished (ie higher class)
c) never bore children

Marie

PS Is Castelli's the 'Tudorplace' site which attributes a son Anthony
to Anne of Exeter & Thomas St Leger? Anthoy was actually the son of
Thomas's elder brother Ralph (married to a Haute - relatives of the
Woodvilles - hence the name Anthony no doubt).

Marie

a) well nourished, probably high class
b)
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--- In , "Stephen Lark"
<smlark@t...> wrote:
> I read on Castelli that she had two daughters by Edward IV. Does
anyone know what happened to them? After all, unlike his large
Woodville brood, they were legitimate.
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Sorry to put more of a damper on this, Stephen, but I have now
identified one of the daughters Castelli attributes to Eleanor
Butler. I see he gives names for neither, but says one married a John
Audley (no info at all on the other). There is a John Audley whose
wife appears, from the heraldry she used, to have been a possible by-
blow of the house of York (I have this info from an article by Peter
Hammond on Edward's bastards in a past Ricardian). Her first name was
Isabel and Hammond could offer nothing about her origins other than
that her maiden surname was Mylbery.

I would suggest that not only does the forensic evidence at present
suggest that Eleanor Butler had no children, but if she had had
surviving issue Richard would hardly have been able to use the story
of that particular precontract to validate his own claim to the
throne. (For once - once more - I'm with Hicks in suspecting Edward
had possibly done this several times and there may have been other
disappointed ladies to choose from.) Bear in mind that Eleanor had no
children by her marriage to Sir Thomas Butler.

Marie

PS I'm sorry if my last message sounded a bit curt - I had to finish
very quickly as I was interrupted.