Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Re: Anne of Exeter's descendants

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From: marie
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Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Anne of Exeter's descendants


--- In , "stephenmlark"
<smlark@t...> wrote:
> Marie, do you remember mentioning her in conjunction with the Five
> Century Challenge? I have been at my favourite websites and traced
> her senior male line to 1641 when it died out, the junior line to
> 1679 when they succeeded, and one female branch to 1649.
>
> If you follow in my mouseclicks, be careful. First time around, I
> used Tompsett and he has missed a generation in the second line, as
I
> found from Castelli (a knight born twenty years after his "mother"
> died).
>
> Well, back to Tompsett, who is at his best nearer to the present.
> After all, we have pursued Richard's other siblings as far as we
can
> at present (until I can get my hands on Ruvigny).
>
> I am not giving too much away just in case you decide to have a go!
>
> Stephen

As I said, Stephen, I absolutely can't take this one on, but I'd be
very interested in your results.

Cecily's will is proving very interesting. As I've found, other
people have done work on it before, which has helped with identifying
a few of the individuals named, but I'm still going. Very interesting
connections. I'll say when I've finished, then if anyone wants a copy
of the file they can have it.
Marie

OK. What I now know is that the 1st Earl's eldest son succeeded him, followed by two of his sons and three grandsons (3-7). One of them, Roger, 5th Earl, married Sir Philip Sidney's daughter.
The grandson (1604-71) of the 2nd Earl's younger brother then succeeded them.
The 2nd Earl's sister married Sir Henry Capell, whose great-grandson Arthur, Lord Hadham, was beheaded in 1649 for remaining loyal to the Stuarts. Fairfax, Hadham's cousin, ordered the execution.
That is where Castelli ends but I do know that the 8th Earl, first of the junior branch, was the father of the first Duke and that Hadham's son was created Earl of Essex after the Devereux male line became extinct in 1646 (3rd Earl was a Civil War commander).
Note that these titles are still around and they were created for Anne's descendants, not married into. I plan to finish both lines when I get a couple of hours.

Stephen
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--- In , "Stephen Lark"
<smlark@t...> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: marie
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 9:57 AM
> Subject: Re: Anne of Exeter's
descendants
>
>
> --- In , "stephenmlark"
> <smlark@t...> wrote:
> > Marie, do you remember mentioning her in conjunction with the
Five
> > Century Challenge? I have been at my favourite websites and
traced
> > her senior male line to 1641 when it died out, the junior line
to
> > 1679 when they succeeded, and one female branch to 1649.
> >
> > If you follow in my mouseclicks, be careful. First time around,
I
> > used Tompsett and he has missed a generation in the second
line, as
> I
> > found from Castelli (a knight born twenty years after
his "mother"
> > died).
> >
> > Well, back to Tompsett, who is at his best nearer to the
present.
> > After all, we have pursued Richard's other siblings as far as
we
> can
> > at present (until I can get my hands on Ruvigny).
> >
> > I am not giving too much away just in case you decide to have a
go!
> >
> > Stephen
>
> As I said, Stephen, I absolutely can't take this one on, but I'd
be
> very interested in your results.
>
> Cecily's will is proving very interesting. As I've found, other
> people have done work on it before, which has helped with
identifying
> a few of the individuals named, but I'm still going. Very
interesting
> connections. I'll say when I've finished, then if anyone wants a
copy
> of the file they can have it.
> Marie
>
> OK. What I now know is that the 1st Earl's eldest son succeeded
him, followed by two of his sons and three grandsons (3-7). One of
them, Roger, 5th Earl, married Sir Philip Sidney's daughter.
> The grandson (1604-71) of the 2nd Earl's younger brother then
succeeded them.
> The 2nd Earl's sister married Sir Henry Capell, whose great-
grandson Arthur, Lord Hadham, was beheaded in 1649 for remaining
loyal to the Stuarts. Fairfax, Hadham's cousin, ordered the execution.
> That is where Castelli ends but I do know that the 8th Earl,
first of the junior branch, was the father of the first Duke and that
Hadham's son was created Earl of Essex after the Devereux male line
became extinct in 1646 (3rd Earl was a Civil War commander).
> Note that these titles are still around and they were created for
Anne's descendants, not married into. I plan to finish both lines
when I get a couple of hours.
>
> Stephen

Just a little news to report:

I have connected the 8th Earl of Rutland to the current Duke and have
found an Archbishop of Canterbury (Manners-Sutton). I shall do the
Capells (from the first Earl's daughter) next. Then I visit the
library and verify everything in Burke's.
Marie, perhaps I could privately e-mail the result as an attachment?
I do genealogy in PowerPoint, as I may have mentioned.

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--- In , "stephenmlark"
<smlark@t...> wrote:
> --- In , "Stephen Lark"
> <smlark@t...> wrote:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: marie
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 9:57 AM
> > Subject: Re: Anne of Exeter's
> descendants
> >
> >
> > --- In , "stephenmlark"
> > <smlark@t...> wrote:
> > > Marie, do you remember mentioning her in conjunction with the
> Five
> > > Century Challenge? I have been at my favourite websites and
> traced
> > > her senior male line to 1641 when it died out, the junior
line
> to
> > > 1679 when they succeeded, and one female branch to 1649.
> > >
> > > If you follow in my mouseclicks, be careful. First time
around,
> I
> > > used Tompsett and he has missed a generation in the second
> line, as
> > I
> > > found from Castelli (a knight born twenty years after
> his "mother"
> > > died).
> > >
> > > Well, back to Tompsett, who is at his best nearer to the
> present.
> > > After all, we have pursued Richard's other siblings as far as
> we
> > can
> > > at present (until I can get my hands on Ruvigny).
> > >
> > > I am not giving too much away just in case you decide to have
a
> go!
> > >
> > > Stephen
> >
> > As I said, Stephen, I absolutely can't take this one on, but
I'd
> be
> > very interested in your results.
> >
> > Cecily's will is proving very interesting. As I've found, other
> > people have done work on it before, which has helped with
> identifying
> > a few of the individuals named, but I'm still going. Very
> interesting
> > connections. I'll say when I've finished, then if anyone wants
a
> copy
> > of the file they can have it.
> > Marie
> >
> > OK. What I now know is that the 1st Earl's eldest son succeeded
> him, followed by two of his sons and three grandsons (3-7). One of
> them, Roger, 5th Earl, married Sir Philip Sidney's daughter.
> > The grandson (1604-71) of the 2nd Earl's younger brother then
> succeeded them.
> > The 2nd Earl's sister married Sir Henry Capell, whose great-
> grandson Arthur, Lord Hadham, was beheaded in 1649 for remaining
> loyal to the Stuarts. Fairfax, Hadham's cousin, ordered the
execution.
> > That is where Castelli ends but I do know that the 8th Earl,
> first of the junior branch, was the father of the first Duke and
that
> Hadham's son was created Earl of Essex after the Devereux male line
> became extinct in 1646 (3rd Earl was a Civil War commander).
> > Note that these titles are still around and they were created
for
> Anne's descendants, not married into. I plan to finish both lines
> when I get a couple of hours.
> >
> > Stephen
>
> Just a little news to report:
>
> I have connected the 8th Earl of Rutland to the current Duke and
have
> found an Archbishop of Canterbury (Manners-Sutton). I shall do the
> Capells (from the first Earl's daughter) next. Then I visit the
> library and verify everything in Burke's.
> Marie, perhaps I could privately e-mail the result as an
attachment?
> I do genealogy in PowerPoint, as I may have mentioned.

Lovely! Thanks.
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--- In , "stephenmlark"
<smlark@t...> wrote:
> --- In , "Stephen Lark"
> <smlark@t...> wrote:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: marie
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 9:57 AM
> > Subject: Re: Anne of Exeter's
> descendants
> >
> >
> > --- In , "stephenmlark"
> > <smlark@t...> wrote:
> > > Marie, do you remember mentioning her in conjunction with the
> Five
> > > Century Challenge? I have been at my favourite websites and
> traced
> > > her senior male line to 1641 when it died out, the junior
line
> to
> > > 1679 when they succeeded, and one female branch to 1649.
> > >
> > > If you follow in my mouseclicks, be careful. First time
around,
> I
> > > used Tompsett and he has missed a generation in the second
> line, as
> > I
> > > found from Castelli (a knight born twenty years after
> his "mother"
> > > died).
> > >
> > > Well, back to Tompsett, who is at his best nearer to the
> present.
> > > After all, we have pursued Richard's other siblings as far as
> we
> > can
> > > at present (until I can get my hands on Ruvigny).
> > >
> > > I am not giving too much away just in case you decide to have
a
> go!
> > >
> > > Stephen
> >
> > As I said, Stephen, I absolutely can't take this one on, but
I'd
> be
> > very interested in your results.
> >
> > Cecily's will is proving very interesting. As I've found, other
> > people have done work on it before, which has helped with
> identifying
> > a few of the individuals named, but I'm still going. Very
> interesting
> > connections. I'll say when I've finished, then if anyone wants
a
> copy
> > of the file they can have it.
> > Marie
> >
> > OK. What I now know is that the 1st Earl's eldest son succeeded
> him, followed by two of his sons and three grandsons (3-7). One of
> them, Roger, 5th Earl, married Sir Philip Sidney's daughter.
> > The grandson (1604-71) of the 2nd Earl's younger brother then
> succeeded them.
> > The 2nd Earl's sister married Sir Henry Capell, whose great-
> grandson Arthur, Lord Hadham, was beheaded in 1649 for remaining
> loyal to the Stuarts. Fairfax, Hadham's cousin, ordered the
execution.
> > That is where Castelli ends but I do know that the 8th Earl,
> first of the junior branch, was the father of the first Duke and
that
> Hadham's son was created Earl of Essex after the Devereux male line
> became extinct in 1646 (3rd Earl was a Civil War commander).
> > Note that these titles are still around and they were created
for
> Anne's descendants, not married into. I plan to finish both lines
> when I get a couple of hours.
> >
> > Stephen
>
> Just a little news to report:
>
> I have connected the 8th Earl of Rutland to the current Duke and
have
> found an Archbishop of Canterbury (Manners-Sutton). I shall do the
> Capells (from the first Earl's daughter) next. Then I visit the
> library and verify everything in Burke's.
> Marie, perhaps I could privately e-mail the result as an
attachment?
> I do genealogy in PowerPoint, as I may have mentioned.
>
Well, I think I have finished the basic research, now I need to
confirm it all offline. The 10th Earl of Essex is from a different
branch to the 7th, 8th and 9th. He was born in 1920 and his son,
Viscount Malden, in 1944. Unless Tompsett has missed someone, there
is no alternative male line from the first Earl and the present Earl
has no grandchildren. Logically, the main title is on it's last legs.

Stephen
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