Leicester Cathedral Plans

Thanks for providing this link!

I think the revamped tomb design is some improvement over the last one. The black foundation stone will now have details particular to Richard, such as his coat-of-arms. I still liked the design commissioned by the Lost in Castles people best  the oblique comment here is that it would be a pastiche of a medieval tomb. I don't see why that is necessarily true, if traditional elements are incorporated creatively and tastefully, as I believe they were.

So, while I can live with the new tomb design (obviously, I don't have much choice), I can't help wondering if there is any possibility of a cenotaph being erected in York.

Johanne

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Very interesting post. I suppose this is the best we can hope for, and as described would be what someone might have found very much in keeping with the times. I wonder if ny of the royals will attend......probably not, except the Duke/Patron.
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Hi, Sandra –

I’m no expert, of course, but it’s a rare event that sees more than one of the royals present – one of the family as the representative of the Queen, if she herself is not there. So I could see Charles and Camilla on behalf of the Queen, or perhaps William and Kate, if she herself is not there. But I do agree (of course) that as an anointed King of England, Richard rates the highest recognition that they have to offer. In my view, that means the Queen, unless she specifically designates someone like Charles to appear on her behalf. She gets somewhat more leeway these days in consideration that she is in her “golden years.” BTW, it amazes me to see how well she and Prince Philip (and he’s 93 this year!) got on at the 70th. anniversary of D-Day recently in France. So if she is able, I think she herself should be there in person to give Richard the long-overdue public recognition he merits. Maybe someone should get a petition going . . .

Oh, btw, I don’t think that, say, HVII’s reinterment – or that of most of the British monarchs – would generate anywhere near the interest that Richard III’s has.

The thing about Diana really got down to her (Diana’s) place in the hearts of the people which really put the Queen between a rock and a hard place. When push came to shove, however, she was able to bend, as the Windsors have proven able to do in the past when necessary, while maintaining the decorum and consistency necessary for the head of state and unifying symbol of the UK and Commonwealth countries.

Johanne

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I think they all should, Pamela, but I suppose the cost would bankrupt Leicester completely! What I would really like is for William and Kate to attend, but that’s highly unlikely. The Queen herself might have her ‘old boot’ face, if she in fact thinks far more of her Tudor antecedents. There should be more royal acknowledgement, though, than just the present Duke of Gloucester (bless his cotton socks). Not to show any royal faces would be a mistake, IMHO. I’m not saying these events now can be compared with Diana’s death, so please do not misunderstand me, but the Queen made a monumental misjudgement then, and had to do the right thing. She might be guilty of a lesser misjudgement this time, because the public fuss and emotion surrounding Richard should be telling her something. Richard was an anointed king, and should be shown the same respect as all the others. To whinge that he MAY have been guilty of crimes is to rather overlook the DEFINITE crimes of other monarchs. I’ll bet if the hitherto lost remains of, say, Henry VIII were to be found, he’d get the royal cast of thousands. Oh, I’d better sit on my hands and force myself to behave....

Sandra

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I suspect that Charles or William will attend somehow. Probably not the queen as she is quite rightly cutting back on her engagements.
I suppose it is "watch this space" to see how the arrangements go and how much public momentum is generated.
I love that Michael Ibsen is making the coffin. That made me go a bit misty eyed.

Jess

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Hi, Sandra 

I'm no expert, of course, but it's a rare event that sees more than one of the royals present  one of the family as the representative of the Queen, if she herself is not there. So I could see Charles and Camilla on behalf of the Queen, or perhaps William and Kate, if she herself is not there. But I do agree (of course) that as an anointed King of England, Richard rates the highest recognition that they have to offer. In my view, that means the Queen, unless she specifically designates someone like Charles to appear on her behalf. She gets somewhat more leeway these days in consideration that she is in her golden years. BTW, it amazes me to see how well she and Prince Philip (and he's 93 this year!) got on at the 70th. anniversary of D-Day recently in France. So if she is able, I think she herself should be there in person to give Richard the long-overdue public recognition he merits. Maybe someone should get a petition going . . .

Oh, btw, I don't think that, say, HVII's reinterment  or that of most of the British monarchs  would generate anywhere near the interest that Richard III's has.

The thing about Diana really got down to her (Diana's) place in the hearts of the people which really put the Queen between a rock and a hard place. When push came to shove, however, she was able to bend, as the Windsors have proven able to do in the past when necessary, while maintaining the decorum and consistency necessary for the head of state and unifying symbol of the UK and Commonwealth countries.

Johanne

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I think they all should, Pamela, but I suppose the cost would bankrupt Leicester completely! What I would really like is for William and Kate to attend, but that's highly unlikely. The Queen herself might have her old boot' face, if she in fact thinks far more of her Tudor antecedents. There should be more royal acknowledgement, though, than just the present Duke of Gloucester (bless his cotton socks). Not to show any royal faces would be a mistake, IMHO. I'm not saying these events now can be compared with Diana's death, so please do not misunderstand me, but the Queen made a monumental misjudgement then, and had to do the right thing. She might be guilty of a lesser misjudgement this time, because the public fuss and emotion surrounding Richard should be telling her something. Richard was an anointed king, and should be shown the same respect as all the others. To whinge that he MAY have been guilty of crimes is to rather overlook the DEFINITE crimes of other monarchs. I'll bet if the hitherto lost remains of, say, Henry VIII were to be found, he'd get the royal cast of thousands. Oh, I'd better sit on my hands and force myself to behave....

Sandra

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Hi, Jess 

Oh, glad you mentioned about Michael Ibsen crafting the coffin for Richard. That is really wonderful! And it's a great and well-deserved honour for him. Yes, that made me tear up.

TTFN J

Johanne

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I suspect that Charles or William will attend somehow. Probably not the queen as she is quite rightly cutting back on her engagements.
I suppose it is "watch this space" to see how the arrangements go and how much public momentum is generated.
I love that Michael Ibsen is making the coffin. That made me go a bit misty eyed.

Jess

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Hi, Sandra 

I'm no expert, of course, but it's a rare event that sees more than one of the royals present  one of the family as the representative of the Queen, if she herself is not there. So I could see Charles and Camilla on behalf of the Queen, or perhaps William and Kate, if she herself is not there. But I do agree (of course) that as an anointed King of England, Richard rates the highest recognition that they have to offer. In my view, that means the Queen, unless she specifically designates someone like Charles to appear on her behalf. She gets somewhat more leeway these days in consideration that she is in her golden years. BTW, it amazes me to see how well she and Prince Philip (and he's 93 this year!) got on at the 70th. anniversary of D-Day recently in France. So if she is able, I think she herself should be there in person to give Richard the long-overdue public recognition he merits. Maybe someone should get a petition going . . .

Oh, btw, I don't think that, say, HVII's reinterment  or that of most of the British monarchs  would generate anywhere near the interest that Richard III's has.

The thing about Diana really got down to her (Diana's) place in the hearts of the people which really put the Queen between a rock and a hard place. When push came to shove, however, she was able to bend, as the Windsors have proven able to do in the past when necessary, while maintaining the decorum and consistency necessary for the head of state and unifying symbol of the UK and Commonwealth countries.

Johanne

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Johanne L. Tournier

Email - jltournier60@...

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- Jesus of Nazareth

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I think they all should, Pamela, but I suppose the cost would bankrupt Leicester completely! What I would really like is for William and Kate to attend, but that's highly unlikely. The Queen herself might have her old boot' face, if she in fact thinks far more of her Tudor antecedents. There should be more royal acknowledgement, though, than just the present Duke of Gloucester (bless his cotton socks). Not to show any royal faces would be a mistake, IMHO. I'm not saying these events now can be compared with Diana's death, so please do not misunderstand me, but the Queen made a monumental misjudgement then, and had to do the right thing. She might be guilty of a lesser misjudgement this time, because the public fuss and emotion surrounding Richard should be telling her something. Richard was an anointed king, and should be shown the same respect as all the others. To whinge that he MAY have been guilty of crimes is to rather overlook the DEFINITE crimes of other monarchs. I'll bet if the hitherto lost remains of, say, Henry VIII were to be found, he'd get the royal cast of thousands. Oh, I'd better sit on my hands and force myself to behave....

Sandra

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Oh, me too!

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I suspect that Charles or William will attend somehow. Probably not the queen as she is quite rightly cutting back on her engagements.
I suppose it is "watch this space" to see how the arrangements go and how much public momentum is generated.
I love that Michael Ibsen is making the coffin. That made me go a bit misty eyed.

Jess

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Sent: Tue, Jun 17, 2014 11:30:11 AM

Hi, Sandra 

I'm no expert, of course, but it's a rare event that sees more than one of the royals present  one of the family as the representative of the Queen, if she herself is not there. So I could see Charles and Camilla on behalf of the Queen, or perhaps William and Kate, if she herself is not there. But I do agree (of course) that as an anointed King of England, Richard rates the highest recognition that they have to offer. In my view, that means the Queen, unless she specifically designates someone like Charles to appear on her behalf. She gets somewhat more leeway these days in consideration that she is in her golden years. BTW, it amazes me to see how well she and Prince Philip (and he's 93 this year!) got on at the 70th. anniversary of D-Day recently in France. So if she is able, I think she herself should be there in person to give Richard the long-overdue public recognition he merits. Maybe someone should get a petition going . . .

Oh, btw, I don't think that, say, HVII's reinterment  or that of most of the British monarchs  would generate anywhere near the interest that Richard III's has.

The thing about Diana really got down to her (Diana's) place in the hearts of the people which really put the Queen between a rock and a hard place. When push came to shove, however, she was able to bend, as the Windsors have proven able to do in the past when necessary, while maintaining the decorum and consistency necessary for the head of state and unifying symbol of the UK and Commonwealth countries.

Johanne

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Johanne L. Tournier

Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...

"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

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I think they all should, Pamela, but I suppose the cost would bankrupt Leicester completely! What I would really like is for William and Kate to attend, but that's highly unlikely. The Queen herself might have her old boot' face, if she in fact thinks far more of her Tudor antecedents. There should be more royal acknowledgement, though, than just the present Duke of Gloucester (bless his cotton socks). Not to show any royal faces would be a mistake, IMHO. I'm not saying these events now can be compared with Diana's death, so please do not misunderstand me, but the Queen made a monumental misjudgement then, and had to do the right thing. She might be guilty of a lesser misjudgement this time, because the public fuss and emotion surrounding Richard should be telling her something. Richard was an anointed king, and should be shown the same respect as all the others. To whinge that he MAY have been guilty of crimes is to rather overlook the DEFINITE crimes of other monarchs. I'll bet if the hitherto lost remains of, say, Henry VIII were to be found, he'd get the royal cast of thousands. Oh, I'd better sit on my hands and force myself to behave....

Sandra

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Thanks Johanne,

I thought that was a really wonderful touch. Kind of a poetic justice.

Jess

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Hi, Jess 

Oh, glad you mentioned about Michael Ibsen crafting the coffin for Richard. That is really wonderful! And it's a great and well-deserved honour for him. Yes, that made me tear up.

TTFN J

Johanne

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Johanne L. Tournier

Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...

"With God, all things are possible."

                              - Jesus of Nazareth

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I suspect that Charles or William will attend somehow. Probably not the queen as she is quite rightly cutting back on her engagements.
I suppose it is "watch this space" to see how the arrangements go and how much public momentum is generated.
I love that Michael Ibsen is making the coffin. That made me go a bit misty eyed.

Jess

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From: Johanne Tournier jltournier60@... [] <>;
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Subject: RE: Leicester Cathedral Plans
Sent: Tue, Jun 17, 2014 11:30:11 AM

Hi, Sandra 

I'm no expert, of course, but it's a rare event that sees more than one of the royals present  one of the family as the representative of the Queen, if she herself is not there. So I could see Charles and Camilla on behalf of the Queen, or perhaps William and Kate, if she herself is not there. But I do agree (of course) that as an anointed King of England, Richard rates the highest recognition that they have to offer. In my view, that means the Queen, unless she specifically designates someone like Charles to appear on her behalf. She gets somewhat more leeway these days in consideration that she is in her golden years. BTW, it amazes me to see how well she and Prince Philip (and he's 93 this year!) got on at the 70th. anniversary of D-Day recently in France. So if she is able, I think she herself should be there in person to give Richard the long-overdue public recognition he merits. Maybe someone should get a petition going . . .

Oh, btw, I don't think that, say, HVII's reinterment  or that of most of the British monarchs  would generate anywhere near the interest that Richard III's has.

The thing about Diana really got down to her (Diana's) place in the hearts of the people which really put the Queen between a rock and a hard place. When push came to shove, however, she was able to bend, as the Windsors have proven able to do in the past when necessary, while maintaining the decorum and consistency necessary for the head of state and unifying symbol of the UK and Commonwealth countries.

Johanne

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Johanne L. Tournier

Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...

"With God, all things are possible."

                              - Jesus of Nazareth

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Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 8:09 AM
To:
Subject: Re: Leicester Cathedral Plans

I think they all should, Pamela, but I suppose the cost would bankrupt Leicester completely! What I would really like is for William and Kate to attend, but that's highly unlikely. The Queen herself might have her old boot' face, if she in fact thinks far more of her Tudor antecedents. There should be more royal acknowledgement, though, than just the present Duke of Gloucester (bless his cotton socks). Not to show any royal faces would be a mistake, IMHO. I'm not saying these events now can be compared with Diana's death, so please do not misunderstand me, but the Queen made a monumental misjudgement then, and had to do the right thing. She might be guilty of a lesser misjudgement this time, because the public fuss and emotion surrounding Richard should be telling her something. Richard was an anointed king, and should be shown the same respect as all the others. To whinge that he MAY have been guilty of crimes is to rather overlook the DEFINITE crimes of other monarchs. I'll bet if the hitherto lost remains of, say, Henry VIII were to be found, he'd get the royal cast of thousands. Oh, I'd better sit on my hands and force myself to behave....

Sandra

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.

Agree. I don't like the design, and my understanding also is that Kilkenny was Butler territory. The design has been described as brutalism, and I that is what it looks like to me too. I have suspicions that negative beliefs about Richard underpin this design but there's nothing we can do. There are a few people who like it so mustn't grumble, I suppose.

Marie

It's the name coined for the sort of architecture that was fashionable in the 1960s - you know, all concrete blocks and art galleries that looked like bunkers

Brutalist architecture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What is "brutalism"? I've never heard the term, but it sounds harsh and unpleasant.

Carol

I was all for the simple modern clean lines in the sixties, and then as we went on, horrified at what we had done.
Now I see that many of the sixties buildings do have architectural merit, as in any other era.
I love the Barbican in the City of London, I quite like the South Bank Centre, and Coventry Cathedral is lovely.
I suppose one has to look at these things through the prism of time.

Jess

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At the risk of being pilloried I'll stick my hand up and say I like it. I love its simplicity; it's this century's tribute to someone who died nearly six hundred years' ago. But then I come from Coventry and I stand in awe in the beautiful cathedral we built last century - not much from the outside apart from the glorious St Michael, but inside - wow! And its predecessor, ironically from Richard's time, stands poignantly next door, again with its simple cross with 'Father Forgive'. I've no doubt Richard would have loved them both, just as he would have loved all the English music he never got to hear, which hopefully they will play at his funeral. H

I was all for the simple modern clean lines in the sixties, and then as we went on, horrified at what we had done.
Now I see that many of the sixties buildings do have architectural merit, as in any other era.
I love the Barbican in the City of London, I quite like the South Bank Centre, and Coventry Cathedral is lovely.
I suppose one has to look at these things through the prism of time.

Jess

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At the risk of being pilloried I'll stick my hand up and say I like it. I love its simplicity; it's this century's tribute to someone who died nearly six hundred years' ago. But then I come from Coventry and I stand in awe in the beautiful cathedral we built last century - not much from the outside apart from the glorious St Michael, but inside - wow! And its predecessor, ironically from Richard's time, stands poignantly next door, again with its simple cross with 'Father Forgive'. I've no doubt Richard would have loved them both, just as he would have loved all the English music he never got to hear, which hopefully they will play at his funeral. H

The National Theatre is much-mocked, but it looks glorious when floodlit at night.

Jonathan

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I was all for the simple modern clean lines in the sixties, and then as we went on, horrified at what we had done.
Now I see that many of the sixties buildings do have architectural merit, as in any other era.
I love the Barbican in the City of London, I quite like the South Bank Centre, and Coventry Cathedral is lovely.
I suppose one has to look at these things through the prism of time.

Jess

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At the risk of being pilloried I'll stick my hand up and say I like it. I love its simplicity; it's this century's tribute to someone who died nearly six hundred years' ago. But then I come from Coventry and I stand in awe in the beautiful cathedral we built last century - not much from the outside apart from the glorious St Michael, but inside - wow! And its predecessor, ironically from Richard's time, stands poignantly next door, again with its simple cross with 'Father Forgive'. I've no doubt Richard would have loved them both, just as he would have loved all the English music he never got to hear, which hopefully they will play at his funeral. H

The National Theatre is much-mocked, but it looks glorious when floodlit at night.

Jonathan

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I was all for the simple modern clean lines in the sixties, and then as we went on, horrified at what we had done.
Now I see that many of the sixties buildings do have architectural merit, as in any other era.
I love the Barbican in the City of London, I quite like the South Bank Centre, and Coventry Cathedral is lovely.
I suppose one has to look at these things through the prism of time.

Jess

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To: <>;
Subject: Re: Leicester Cathedral Plans
Sent: Wed, Jun 25, 2014 3:49:07 PM

At the risk of being pilloried I'll stick my hand up and say I like it. I love its simplicity; it's this century's tribute to someone who died nearly six hundred years' ago. But then I come from Coventry and I stand in awe in the beautiful cathedral we built last century - not much from the outside apart from the glorious St Michael, but inside - wow! And its predecessor, ironically from Richard's time, stands poignantly next door, again with its simple cross with 'Father Forgive'. I've no doubt Richard would have loved them both, just as he would have loved all the English music he never got to hear, which hopefully they will play at his funeral. H

Jonathan wrote:

The National Theatre is much-mocked, but it looks glorious when floodlit at night.

Marie:

So does Macclesfield.

Thanks for your reply. One thing that hasn't been mentioned so far is how dark and sombre it is all going to be. The design is much darker that their original design plans or the Society's and what the Cathedral first suggested was a quiet place which looked quite dark then. How is it going to be lit? When are you coming over to England? Elaine

Thanks for your reply.  One thing that hasn't been mentioned so far is how dark and sombre it is all going to be. The design is much darker that their original design plans or the Society's and what the Cathedral first suggested was a quiet place which looked quite dark then.  How is it going to be lit?

Don't particularly mind the dark stone, as it sets off the arms rather beautifully. Not enamoured of the tomb design as a whole, but that's just my subjective reaction, which may be different when I see something other than a cgi representation. One thing I am sure about is that an ersatz medieval design would be wrong, no matter what the space, and end up looking like a Disney-fied reproduction.

The tomb should be the best that a 21st century artist / architect can achieve. And that's where it gets difficult, as art inevitably provokes extreme, subjective responses. What I think is wrong is to assume that, if you don't like a design, the artist doesn't care. Anyone doing this kind of work would care hugely, not least because they would know that designing a royal tomb for a ruler iconic both historically and culturally would be their own best chance of immortality.

Jonathan

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I for one am particularly dismayed by that dark stone plinth. The whole thing is uninspiring and uninspired. Sandra =^..^= From: mailto: Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 12:58 PM To: Subject: Re: Leicester Cathedral Plans

Thanks for your reply. One thing that hasn't been mentioned so far is how dark and sombre it is all going to be. The design is much darker that their original design plans or the Society's and what the Cathedral first suggested was a quiet place which looked quite dark then. How is it going to be lit?

Don't particularly mind the dark stone, as it sets off the arms rather beautifully. Not enamoured of the tomb design as a whole, but that's just my subjective reaction, which may be different when I see something other than a cgi representation. One thing I am sure about is that an ersatz medieval design would be wrong, no matter what the space, and end up looking like a Disney-fied reproduction.

The tomb should be the best that a 21st century artist / architect can achieve. And that's where it gets difficult, as art inevitably provokes extreme, subjective responses. What I think is wrong is to assume that, if you don't like a design, the artist doesn't care. Anyone doing this kind of work would care hugely, not least because they would know that designing a royal tomb for a ruler iconic both historically and culturally would be their own best chance of immortality.

Jonathan

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Thanks for your reply.  One thing that hasn't been mentioned so far is how dark and sombre it is all going to be. The design is much darker that their original design plans or the Society's and what the Cathedral first suggested was a quiet place which looked quite dark then.  How is it going to be lit?

The "not caring" thing wasn't aimed at you, Sandra. But there's a general meme from some online sources unhappy with the court ruling that Leicester are being deliberately perverse and slapping any old rubbish down before us. Which is a nonsense that would necessitate a self-defeating conspiracy between the cathedral and the CFC.

Jonathan

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I didn't say that the artist didn't care, just that the result was uninspired. He might have cared very much indeed, but in this instance failed to find the necessary vision. From: mailto: Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 1:52 PM To: Subject: Re: Re: Leicester Cathedral Plans

Don't particularly mind the dark stone, as it sets off the arms rather beautifully. Not enamoured of the tomb design as a whole, but that's just my subjective reaction, which may be different when I see something other than a cgi representation. One thing I am sure about is that an ersatz medieval design would be wrong, no matter what the space, and end up looking like a Disney-fied reproduction.

The tomb should be the best that a 21st century artist / architect can achieve. And that's where it gets difficult, as art inevitably provokes extreme, subjective responses. What I think is wrong is to assume that, if you don't like a design, the artist doesn't care. Anyone doing this kind of work would care hugely, not least because they would know that designing a royal tomb for a ruler iconic both historically and culturally would be their own best chance of immortality.

Jonathan

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Thanks for your reply. One thing that hasn't been mentioned so far is how dark and sombre it is all going to be. The design is much darker that their original design plans or the Society's and what the Cathedral first suggested was a quiet place which looked quite dark then. How is it going to be lit?

The "not caring" thing wasn't aimed at you, Sandra. But there's a general meme from some online sources unhappy with the court ruling that Leicester are being deliberately perverse and slapping any old rubbish down before us. Which is a nonsense that would necessitate a self-defeating conspiracy between the cathedral and the CFC.

Jonathan

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Don't particularly mind the dark stone, as it sets off the arms rather beautifully. Not enamoured of the tomb design as a whole, but that's just my subjective reaction, which may be different when I see something other than a cgi representation. One thing I am sure about is that an ersatz medieval design would be wrong, no matter what the space, and end up looking like a Disney-fied reproduction.

The tomb should be the best that a 21st century artist / architect can achieve. And that's where it gets difficult, as art inevitably provokes extreme, subjective responses. What I think is wrong is to assume that, if you don't like a design, the artist doesn't care. Anyone doing this kind of work would care hugely, not least because they would know that designing a royal tomb for a ruler iconic both historically and culturally would be their own best chance of immortality.

Jonathan

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Thanks for your reply.  One thing that hasn't been mentioned so far is how dark and sombre it is all going to be. The design is much darker that their original design plans or the Society's and what the Cathedral first suggested was a quiet place which looked quite dark then.  How is it going to be lit?

Don't particularly mind the dark stone, as it sets off the arms rather beautifully. Not enamoured of the tomb design as a whole, but that's just my subjective reaction, which may be different when I see something other than a cgi representation. One thing I am sure about is that an ersatz medieval design would be wrong, no matter what the space, and end up looking like a Disney-fied reproduction.

The tomb should be the best that a 21st century artist / architect can achieve. And that's where it gets difficult, as art inevitably provokes extreme, subjective responses. What I think is wrong is to assume that, if you don't like a design, the artist doesn't care. Anyone doing this kind of work would care hugely, not least because they would know that designing a royal tomb for a ruler iconic both historically and culturally would be their own best chance of immortality.

Jonathan

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I for one am particularly dismayed by that dark stone plinth. The whole thing is uninspiring and uninspired. Sandra =^..^= From: mailto: Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 12:58 PM To: Subject: Re: Leicester Cathedral Plans

Thanks for your reply. One thing that hasn't been mentioned so far is how dark and sombre it is all going to be. The design is much darker that their original design plans or the Society's and what the Cathedral first suggested was a quiet place which looked quite dark then. How is it going to be lit?

So agree with the last part of your message Jess. If when you visit you see a lady....moi..overcome and racked with sobs..that will be me,,,Im Piscean you see,,,it's what I'm good at.
I was completely overcome when I visited Althorpe too and they had a large screen with a video of Diana on a loop.,remember the picture of her at I think it was Alton Towers with her boys in that water thingie,,,Oh god,,,I am such a wimp,,,

Hi, Hilary & Eileen 

But I recall from one of the earlier stories that there was a mention of the craftsman who has been commissioned to create at least one new stained glass window in Richard's honour.

Johanne

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No Hilary..there wasn't...Eileen

I do hope so. Of all things modern I think we do windows rather well. H

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There's an article on the Leicester cathedral website called Stained Glass Window Design Revealed. There will be two windows, which they say will flood light over the tomb. The windows look like they will be gorgeous, although of course you can't see how they 'll look with actual sunlight coming through. There's a link to a video of the Dean talking to the artist. There are additional pictures in the video. There are swirls of colored glass with "allusions" to events in his life. Some figures are fairly well defined and others are indeed just allusions. I think the windows will be spectacular. The cathedral's website also has preliminary reburial plans. They start with a procession with the coffin coming to the cathedral on a route that retraces his time in Leicester. The coffin will be formally received in a medieval service of Compline. Richard will lie in repose for several days and the public will have that time to pay respects. A specially designed pall has been commissioned to cover the coffin. The cathedral's daily prayers in the chapel adjacent to the burial site will reflect on this time in history. The memorial service will combine elements of both the 15th and 21st centuries. It will remember Richard, and also mention all those who died at Bosworth and in warfare generally. After the service, the coffin will be lowered into the ground and the great stone will be placed on top. The next day there will be another public service "looking to the future." At that time the tomb will fully revealed, facing the great east window. The cathedral's Richard III site says "with dignity and honor," and it looks like they are working very hard to provide services truly fit for a king. They hope to announce a date soon, but they are still working on timing. Coordinating schedules with dignitaries, I gather. Do check out the cathedral's R3 section. There's quite a bit of info, as well as a blog with regular updates. Kay Wade
On Jun 27, 2014, at 11:57 AM, colyngbourne <[email protected]> wrote:

There will be a new stained glass window in one of the side-chapels, not in the precise location of the tomb. It has been designed by Tom Denny who has also created very nice windows for Durham and Hereford Cathedrals amongst others. I do recall hearing though that there might be a depiction of Richard's body being brought from Bosworth on it - which I would be sorry of - and his designs seem to lend themselves to multiple interpretations (figures depicting humanity as much as certain individuals). I'm sure the window itself will be very nice.

Hi, Kay 

In contrast to Colyngborne, I think the effort to rectify the circumstances of Richard's original burial is of great significance now. As I said before, I think Richard chose to meet Henry at almost the exact geographical centre of his realm and also from the city that was also the headquarters of Simon de Montfort. In contrast to others, I believe that Richard was well aware that he might not survive the confrontation with Henry, and he accepted that risk, with the likelihood that he would then be buried in Leicester after being put on display. He would no doubt have done the same with Henry's remains had the result been different (because of the necessity of proving the death of the would-be usurper).

The fact that there have been a King Richard's Road and a King Richard's School for decades (centuries?) in Leicester is an indication, I believe, that Richard had a significant place in Leicester, despite the reversal of his fortunes. Those are certainly not an insult to his memory.

Can you provide a link to the page with the information about the windows? I looked over the Cathedral RIII website, but I didn't find it.

Thanks!

Johanne

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There's an article on the Leicester cathedral website called Stained Glass Window Design Revealed. There will be two windows, which they say will flood light over the tomb. The windows look like they will be gorgeous, although of course you can't see how they 'll look with actual sunlight coming through. There's a link to a video of the Dean talking to the artist. There are additional pictures in the video. There are swirls of colored glass with "allusions" to events in his life. Some figures are fairly well defined and others are indeed just allusions. I think the windows will be spectacular.

The cathedral's website also has preliminary reburial plans. They start with a procession with the coffin coming to the cathedral on a route that retraces his time in Leicester. The coffin will be formally received in a medieval service of Compline. Richard will lie in repose for several days and the public will have that time to pay respects. A specially designed pall has been commissioned to cover the coffin. The cathedral's daily prayers in the chapel adjacent to the burial site will reflect on this time in history.

The memorial service will combine elements of both the 15th and 21st centuries. It will remember Richard, and also mention all those who died at Bosworth and in warfare generally. After the service, the coffin will be lowered into the ground and the great stone will be placed on top.

The next day there will be another public service "looking to the future." At that time the tomb will fully revealed, facing the great east window.

The cathedral's Richard III site says "with dignity and honor," and it looks like they are working very hard to provide services truly fit for a king.

They hope to announce a date soon, but they are still working on timing. Coordinating schedules with dignitaries, I gather.

Do check out the cathedral's R3 section. There's quite a bit of info, as well as a blog with regular updates.

Kay Wade

On Jun 27, 2014, at 11:57 AM, colyngbourne <[email protected]> wrote:

There will be a new stained glass window in one of the side-chapels, not in the precise location of the tomb. It has been designed by Tom Denny who has also created very nice windows for Durham and Hereford Cathedrals amongst others. I do recall hearing though that there might be a depiction of Richard's body being brought from Bosworth on it - which I would be sorry of - and his designs seem to lend themselves to multiple interpretations (figures depicting humanity as much as certain individuals). I'm sure the window itself will be very nice.

Hi, Kay 

In contrast to Colyngborne, I think the effort to rectify the circumstances of Richard's original burial is of great significance now. As I said before, I think Richard chose to meet Henry at almost the exact geographical centre of his realm and also from the city that was also the headquarters of Simon de Montfort. In contrast to others, I believe that Richard was well aware that he might not survive the confrontation with Henry, and he accepted that risk, with the likelihood that he would then be buried in Leicester after being put on display. He would no doubt have done the same with Henry's remains had the result been different (because of the necessity of proving the death of the would-be usurper).

The fact that there have been a King Richard's Road and a King Richard's School for decades (centuries?) in Leicester is an indication, I believe, that Richard had a significant place in Leicester, despite the reversal of his fortunes. Those are certainly not an insult to his memory.

Can you provide a link to the page with the information about the windows? I looked over the Cathedral RIII website, but I didn't find it.

Thanks!

Johanne

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Johanne L. Tournier

Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...

"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

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From: [mailto:]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 6:12 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Re: Leicester Cathedral Plans

There's an article on the Leicester cathedral website called Stained Glass Window Design Revealed. There will be two windows, which they say will flood light over the tomb. The windows look like they will be gorgeous, although of course you can't see how they 'll look with actual sunlight coming through. There's a link to a video of the Dean talking to the artist. There are additional pictures in the video. There are swirls of colored glass with "allusions" to events in his life. Some figures are fairly well defined and others are indeed just allusions. I think the windows will be spectacular.

The cathedral's website also has preliminary reburial plans. They start with a procession with the coffin coming to the cathedral on a route that retraces his time in Leicester. The coffin will be formally received in a medieval service of Compline. Richard will lie in repose for several days and the public will have that time to pay respects. A specially designed pall has been commissioned to cover the coffin. The cathedral's daily prayers in the chapel adjacent to the burial site will reflect on this time in history.

The memorial service will combine elements of both the 15th and 21st centuries. It will remember Richard, and also mention all those who died at Bosworth and in warfare generally. After the service, the coffin will be lowered into the ground and the great stone will be placed on top.

The next day there will be another public service "looking to the future." At that time the tomb will fully revealed, facing the great east window.

The cathedral's Richard III site says "with dignity and honor," and it looks like they are working very hard to provide services truly fit for a king.

They hope to announce a date soon, but they are still working on timing. Coordinating schedules with dignitaries, I gather.

Do check out the cathedral's R3 section. There's quite a bit of info, as well as a blog with regular updates.

Kay Wade

On Jun 27, 2014, at 11:57 AM, colyngbourne <[email protected]> wrote:

There will be a new stained glass window in one of the side-chapels, not in the precise location of the tomb. It has been designed by Tom Denny who has also created very nice windows for Durham and Hereford Cathedrals amongst others. I do recall hearing though that there might be a depiction of Richard's body being brought from Bosworth on it - which I would be sorry of - and his designs seem to lend themselves to multiple interpretations (figures depicting humanity as much as certain individuals). I'm sure the window itself will be very nice.

Thanks for the compliment, Jess, but the details of the reburial and proposed tomb, window plans, etc. were provided by Kay Wade, not me. I did ask her to provide the link for the info on the stained glass windows  which may be truly glorious  at least I hope so!

Johanne

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Johanne L. Tournier

Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...

"With God, all things are possible."

                              - Jesus of Nazareth

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From: [mailto:]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 6:12 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Re: Leicester Cathedral Plans

There's an article on the Leicester cathedral website called Stained Glass Window Design Revealed. There will be two windows, which they say will flood light over the tomb. The windows look like they will be gorgeous, although of course you can't see how they 'll look with actual sunlight coming through. There's a link to a video of the Dean talking to the artist. There are additional pictures in the video. There are swirls of colored glass with "allusions" to events in his life. Some figures are fairly well defined and others are indeed just allusions. I think the windows will be spectacular.

The cathedral's website also has preliminary reburial plans. They start with a procession with the coffin coming to the cathedral on a route that retraces his time in Leicester. The coffin will be formally received in a medieval service of Compline. Richard will lie in repose for several days and the public will have that time to pay respects. A specially designed pall has been commissioned to cover the coffin. The cathedral's daily prayers in the chapel adjacent to the burial site will reflect on this time in history.

The memorial service will combine elements of both the 15th and 21st centuries. It will remember Richard, and also mention all those who died at Bosworth and in warfare generally. After the service, the coffin will be lowered into the ground and the great stone will be placed on top.

The next day there will be another public service "looking to the future." At that time the tomb will fully revealed, facing the great east window.

The cathedral's Richard III site says "with dignity and honor," and it looks like they are working very hard to provide services truly fit for a king.

They hope to announce a date soon, but they are still working on timing. Coordinating schedules with dignitaries, I gather.

Do check out the cathedral's R3 section. There's quite a bit of info, as well as a blog with regular updates.

Kay Wade

On Jun 27, 2014, at 11:57 AM, colyngbourne <[email protected]> wrote:

There will be a new stained glass window in one of the side-chapels, not in the precise location of the tomb. It has been designed by Tom Denny who has also created very nice windows for Durham and Hereford Cathedrals amongst others. I do recall hearing though that there might be a depiction of Richard's body being brought from Bosworth on it - which I would be sorry of - and his designs seem to lend themselves to multiple interpretations (figures depicting humanity as much as certain individuals). I'm sure the window itself will be very nice.

In that case, thank you Johannes and Kay.

x Jess

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Thanks for the compliment, Jess, but the details of the reburial and proposed tomb, window plans, etc. were provided by Kay Wade, not me. I did ask her to provide the link for the info on the stained glass windows  which may be truly glorious  at least I hope so!

Johanne

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Johanne L. Tournier

Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...

"With God, all things are possible."

                              - Jesus of Nazareth

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From: [mailto:]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 6:12 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Re: Leicester Cathedral Plans

There's an article on the Leicester cathedral website called Stained Glass Window Design Revealed.  There will be two windows, which they say will flood light over the tomb.  The windows look like they will be gorgeous, although of course you can't see how they 'll look with actual sunlight coming through.  There's a link to a video of the Dean talking to the artist.  There are additional pictures in the video. There are swirls of colored glass with "allusions" to events in his life.  Some figures are fairly well defined and others are indeed just allusions.  I think the windows will be spectacular.

The cathedral's website also has preliminary reburial plans.  They start with a procession with the coffin coming to the cathedral on a route that retraces his time in Leicester.  The coffin will be formally received in a medieval service of Compline.  Richard will lie in repose for several days and the public will have that time to pay respects. A specially designed pall has been commissioned to cover the coffin.  The cathedral's daily prayers in the chapel adjacent to the burial site will reflect on this time in history.

The memorial service will combine elements of both the 15th and 21st centuries.  It will remember Richard, and also mention all those who died at Bosworth and in warfare generally.  After the service, the coffin will be lowered into the ground and the great stone will be placed on top.

The next day there will be another public service "looking to the future."  At that time the tomb will fully revealed, facing the great east window.

The cathedral's Richard III site says "with dignity and honor," and it looks like they are working very hard to provide services truly fit for a king.

They hope to announce a date soon, but they are still working on timing.  Coordinating schedules with dignitaries, I gather.

Do check out the cathedral's R3 section.  There's quite a bit of info, as well as a blog with regular updates.  

Kay Wade

On Jun 27, 2014, at 11:57 AM, colyngbourne <[email protected]> wrote:

There will be a new stained glass window in one of the side-chapels, not in the precise location of the tomb. It has been designed by Tom Denny who has also created very nice windows for Durham and Hereford Cathedrals amongst others. I do recall hearing though that there might be a depiction of Richard's body being brought from Bosworth on it - which I would be sorry of - and his designs seem to lend themselves to multiple interpretations (figures depicting humanity as much as certain individuals). I'm sure the window itself will be very nice.

I just looked at the Leicester Cathedral site as well. There is a Richard III Link, but no windows. When I typed in Stained Glass Windows, lots of images popped up, but I have no idea if they are existing windows, proposed, or whatever. The Richard III site has a rather long read about the burial and so forth. That was interesting, and I think was trying to find some calm amidst the storm. I am certain many of us will cry, I wish I could be there……I hope, when it does occur, that it is filmed and posted.

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In that case, thank you Johannes and Kay.

x Jess

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Thanks for the compliment, Jess, but the details of the reburial and proposed tomb, window plans, etc. were provided by Kay Wade, not me. I did ask her to provide the link for the info on the stained glass windows – which may be truly glorious – at least I hope so!

Johanne

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Johanne L. Tournier

Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...

"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

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From: [mailto: ]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 6:12 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Re: Leicester Cathedral Plans

There's an article on the Leicester cathedral website called Stained Glass Window Design Revealed. There will be two windows, which they say will flood light over the tomb. The windows look like they will be gorgeous, although of course you can't see how they 'll look with actual sunlight coming through. There's a link to a video of the Dean talking to the artist. There are additional pictures in the video. There are swirls of colored glass with "allusions" to events in his life. Some figures are fairly well defined and others are indeed just allusions. I think the windows will be spectacular.

The cathedral's website also has preliminary reburial plans. They start with a procession with the coffin coming to the cathedral on a route that retraces his time in Leicester . The coffin will be formally received in a medieval service of Compline. Richard will lie in repose for several days and the public will have that time to pay respects. A specially designed pall has been commissioned to cover the coffin. The cathedral's daily prayers in the chapel adjacent to the burial site will reflect on this time in history.

The memorial service will combine elements of both the 15th and 21st centuries. It will remember Richard, and also mention all those who died at Bosworth and in warfare generally. After the service, the coffin will be lowered into the ground and the great stone will be placed on top.

The next day there will be another public service "looking to the future." At that time the tomb will fully revealed, facing the great east window.

The cathedral's Richard III site says "with dignity and honor," and it looks like they are working very hard to provide services truly fit for a king.

They hope to announce a date soon, but they are still working on timing. Coordinating schedules with dignitaries, I gather.

Do check out the cathedral's R3 section. There's quite a bit of info, as well as a blog with regular updates.

Kay Wade

On Jun 27, 2014, at 11:57 AM, colyngbourne <[email protected]> wrote:

There will be a new stained glass window in one of the side-chapels, not in the precise location of the tomb. It has been designed by Tom Denny who has also created very nice windows for Durham and Hereford Cathedrals amongst others. I do recall hearing though that there might be a depiction of Richard's body being brought from Bosworth on it - which I would be sorry of - and his designs seem to lend themselves to multiple interpretations (figures depicting humanity as much as certain individuals). I'm sure the window itself will be very nice.

You're more than welcome, Jess. J

Johanne

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Johanne L. Tournier

Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...

"With God, all things are possible."

                              - Jesus of Nazareth

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In that case, thank you Johannes and Kay.

x Jess

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From: Johanne Tournier jltournier60@... [] <>;
To: <>;
Subject: RE: Re: Leicester Cathedral Plans
Sent: Sun, Jun 29, 2014 3:46:33 PM

Thanks for the compliment, Jess, but the details of the reburial and proposed tomb, window plans, etc. were provided by Kay Wade, not me. I did ask her to provide the link for the info on the stained glass windows  which may be truly glorious  at least I hope so!

Johanne

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Johanne L. Tournier

Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...

"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From: [mailto:]
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2014 6:12 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Re: Leicester Cathedral Plans

There's an article on the Leicester cathedral website called Stained Glass Window Design Revealed. There will be two windows, which they say will flood light over the tomb. The windows look like they will be gorgeous, although of course you can't see how they 'll look with actual sunlight coming through. There's a link to a video of the Dean talking to the artist. There are additional pictures in the video. There are swirls of colored glass with "allusions" to events in his life. Some figures are fairly well defined and others are indeed just allusions. I think the windows will be spectacular.

The cathedral's website also has preliminary reburial plans. They start with a procession with the coffin coming to the cathedral on a route that retraces his time in Leicester. The coffin will be formally received in a medieval service of Compline. Richard will lie in repose for several days and the public will have that time to pay respects. A specially designed pall has been commissioned to cover the coffin. The cathedral's daily prayers in the chapel adjacent to the burial site will reflect on this time in history.

The memorial service will combine elements of both the 15th and 21st centuries. It will remember Richard, and also mention all those who died at Bosworth and in warfare generally. After the service, the coffin will be lowered into the ground and the great stone will be placed on top.

The next day there will be another public service "looking to the future." At that time the tomb will fully revealed, facing the great east window.

The cathedral's Richard III site says "with dignity and honor," and it looks like they are working very hard to provide services truly fit for a king.

They hope to announce a date soon, but they are still working on timing. Coordinating schedules with dignitaries, I gather.

Do check out the cathedral's R3 section. There's quite a bit of info, as well as a blog with regular updates.

Kay Wade

On Jun 27, 2014, at 11:57 AM, colyngbourne <[email protected]> wrote:

There will be a new stained glass window in one of the side-chapels, not in the precise location of the tomb. It has been designed by Tom Denny who has also created very nice windows for Durham and Hereford Cathedrals amongst others. I do recall hearing though that there might be a depiction of Richard's body being brought from Bosworth on it - which I would be sorry of - and his designs seem to lend themselves to multiple interpretations (figures depicting humanity as much as certain individuals). I'm sure the window itself will be very nice.

Do you see a story or just the images?

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To:
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Pamela,
I found them under : Leicester Cathedral, Stained Glass Windows unveiled.
What I have seen there looks quite good to me.
Eva

I found them….I agree I like them!

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To:
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Do you see a story or just the images?

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To:
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Pamela,
I found them under : Leicester Cathedral, Stained Glass Windows unveiled.
What I have seen there looks quite good to me.
Eva

http://nerdalicious.com.au/history/leicester-cathedral-will-bury-richard-iii-with-dignity-and-honour/

I found them here, with several pics and news as of February, 2014. From what I can see of the artist’s concept, the windows look pretty cool, although somewhat abstract. Still, the impression is of vivid leaves in the Fall (the time of Richard’s birth), or maybe flames, like the flames of war that dogged him throughout his life. I agree that, when the sun shines through them onto the raised tomb, the effect should be stunning.

I was pleased, too, to read in one of the stories that the Kilkenny marble, which I presume is being used for the plinth, will be engraved with Richard’s name and titles, etc. It wasn’t possible to see that in the concept design, just the smallish coat-of-arms. In addition, I also read the the buff-colored stone which makes up most of the tomb is from North Yorkshire, so they are acknowledging Richard’s deep ties to Yorkshire.

All positive aspects, as far as I am concerned.

I also see some quotes from Michael Ibsen which sound as if he has come enthusiastically onboard.

Has anyone heard anything more about what the Society is doing with the donations they collected for the tomb last year? Perhaps they are awaiting the results of the discussions with the Cathedral which I believe are planned.

Johanne

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Johanne L. Tournier

Email - jltournier60@...

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"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

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Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 4:56 PM
To:
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I found them….I agree I like them!

From: [mailto:]
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 2:51 PM
To:
Subject: RE: RE: Re: Leicester Cathedral Plans

Do you see a story or just the images?

From: [mailto:]
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 11:40 AM
To:
Subject: RE: RE: Re: Leicester Cathedral Plans

Pamela,
I found them under : Leicester Cathedral, Stained Glass Windows unveiled.
What I have seen there looks quite good to me.
Eva