Black Arrow

The 1948 film version of Robert Louis Stevenson's novel of the Wars of
the Roses was shown on C4 tv in the Uk yesterday. It has another showing
in the next few days.
Set in that Hollywood idea of England that looks exactly the same
between the Norman Conquest and the arrival of Henry 8th, where men wear
lots of jewels and/or bits of armour, no matter what they are doing or
what time of day it is, and where women simper a lot, and wear
extravagant headdresses, to say the production design is bad and wildly
inaccurate is to put it mildly!
Of course the main point to note is that Richard of Gloucester makes an
appearance. 'Croockback! He killed our beloved king Henry in the Tower.
I dread an England should he ever become King Richard the Third" is his
introduction. However this Richard has only one shoulder slightly higher
than the other, but is naturally far older than the real Richard was at
Bosworth, and the film is set in 1473.
However he does have a wonderful exit line.
The heroine thanks him for helping her and her lover out of their
troubles with the line "Your Grace. You have been more than kind."
Richard looks shocked, but smiling, replies
" Now my lady. You mustn't spread rumours like that about. You'll ruin
my reputation!"
Paul
made me smile.
A film to keep for the "costume collection" but at the back of the cupboard!

--
Richard Liveth Yet!

Hi, Paul!*The Black Arrow* sounds like a fun movie, and with your vivid description, I can see it in my mind’s eye. Unfortunately I think the costumes in those films were items that were readily available from Western Costume – historical veracity was not high on the list of priorities. I think I had the “Classics Illustrated” version of the story when I was a youngster (that’s a *long* time ago!), but didn’t even know what the War of the Roses was at that point. So – when was the movie made, and who starred in it? And who played Richard? Johanne ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Johanne L. Tournier Email - [email protected] jltournier@... "With God, all things are possible." - Jesus of Nazareth~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: [mailto:] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 3:42 AMTo: RichardIIISociety forumSubject: Black Arrow The 1948 film version of Robert Louis Stevenson's novel of the Wars of the Roses was shown on C4 tv in the Uk yesterday. It has another showing in the next few days.Set in that Hollywood idea of England that looks exactly the same between the Norman Conquest and the arrival of Henry 8th, where men wear lots of jewels and/or bits of armour, no matter what they are doing or what time of day it is, and where women simper a lot, and wear extravagant headdresses, to say the production design is bad and wildly inaccurate is to put it mildly!Of course the main point to note is that Richard of Gloucester makes an appearance. 'Croockback! He killed our beloved king Henry in the Tower. I dread an England should he ever become King Richard the Third" is his introduction. However this Richard has only one shoulder slightly higher than the other, but is naturally far older than the real Richard was at Bosworth, and the film is set in 1473.However he does have a wonderful exit line.The heroine thanks him for helping her and her lover out of their troubles with the line "Your Grace. You have been more than kind."Richard looks shocked, but smiling, replies" Now my lady. You mustn't spread rumours like that about. You'll ruin my reputation!"Paulmade me smile.A film to keep for the "costume collection" but at the back of the cupboard!-- Richard Liveth Yet!

Paul, I watched it as well. As usual, Richard was 45-50 years old, a little
portly, with a big bump on his left shoulder. So accurate. And he was still only
Duke of Gloucester, for heaven's sake, well before any sign of Big Ed turning up
his toes. I didn't see in which year it was actually set. But then, if they
showed him as he really was, a personable young man, the whole Shakespearean'
Richard thing falls apart. But yes, he had a brilliant last word, and it wasn't
too derogatory. But....IF ONLY they showed him as he was. Maybe the bump on the
shoulder is understandable, given the film's age and the lack of knowledge at
that time, but they DID know his age, build and general looks. No excuse for
that.
Johanne  someone called Lowell Gilmore played Richard. An American actor.
It was made in 1948. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0040166/
Sandra
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Arrow

Hi,
Paul!
*The Black
Arrow* sounds like a fun movie, and with your vivid description, I can see
it in my mind's eye. Unfortunately I think the costumes in those films were
items that were readily available from Western Costume  historical veracity was
not high on the list of priorities. I think I had the Classics Illustrated
version of the story when I was a youngster (that's a *long* time ago!),
but didn't even know what the War of the Roses was at that
point.

So  when was
the movie made, and who starred in it? And who played Richard?

Johanne

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Johanne L.
Tournier

Email -
jltournier60@...
or
jltournier@...

"With God, all
things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth
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19, 2014 3:42 AMTo: RichardIIISociety forumSubject:
Black Arrow


The 1948 film version of Robert Louis Stevenson's novel of the Wars of
the Roses was shown on C4 tv in the Uk yesterday. It has another showing
in the next few days.Set in that Hollywood idea of England that looks
exactly the same between the Norman Conquest and the arrival of Henry 8th,
where men wear lots of jewels and/or bits of armour, no matter what they are
doing or what time of day it is, and where women simper a lot, and wear
extravagant headdresses, to say the production design is bad and wildly
inaccurate is to put it mildly!Of course the main point to note is that
Richard of Gloucester makes an appearance. 'Croockback! He killed our
beloved king Henry in the Tower. I dread an England should he ever become
King Richard the Third" is his introduction. However this Richard has only
one shoulder slightly higher than the other, but is naturally far older than
the real Richard was at Bosworth, and the film is set in 1473.However he
does have a wonderful exit line.The heroine thanks him for helping her and
her lover out of their troubles with the line "Your Grace. You have been
more than kind."Richard looks shocked, but smiling, replies" Now my
lady. You mustn't spread rumours like that about. You'll ruin my
reputation!"Paulmade me smile.A film to keep for the "costume
collection" but at the back of the cupboard!-- Richard Liveth
Yet!

Johanne wrote:
//snip//
"Unfortunately I think the costumes in those films
were items readily available from Western Costume - historical veracity was not
high on the list of priorities."
//snip//
Doug here:
I read that sentence and immediately thought
of:
"I said Sixth Rajputana Rifles and I dont want a
lotta mugs paradin' around in the unforms of the Preobazhensky Guard, y' get
me?"
It's a line from the humorist SJ Perelman's piece
"Scenario" (a sort of stream-of-conscious summary of his experiences as a
screen-writer in 1930s Hollywood). His humor is definitely US-oriented, but
those in the UK might enjoy the parts about the UK from his "Swiss
Family Perelman," which is *his* version of a round-the-world trip his made with
his family in 1949.

LOL, Doug!Thanks! The Perelman piece sounds like something I and my other cinephile friends would enjoy! Many people aren’t aware that some of the foremost writers of the 20th. century were screenwriters in Hollywood from time to time. They included William Faulkner and Ayn Rand, just to name two that occur to me off-hand. I’m not sure that they found the atmosphere of studio-controlled Hollywood very satisfying, and neither Faulkner nor Ayn Rand stuck around there for very long. Maybe fortunately for them. TTYL J Johanne ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Johanne L. Tournier Email - [email protected] jltournier@... "With God, all things are possible." - Jesus of Nazareth~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From: [mailto:] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 1:10 PMTo: Cc: Doug StamateSubject: Black Arrow Johanne wrote://snip//"Unfortunately I think the costumes in those films were items readily available from Western Costume - historical veracity was not high on the list of priorities."//snip// Doug here:I read that sentence and immediately thought of:"I said Sixth Rajputana Rifles and I dont want a lotta mugs paradin' around in the unforms of the Preobazhensky Guard, y' get me?"It's a line from the humorist SJ Perelman's piece "Scenario" (a sort of stream-of-conscious summary of his experiences as a screen-writer in 1930s Hollywood). His humor is definitely US-oriented, but those in the UK might enjoy the parts about the UK from his "Swiss Family Perelman," which is *his* version of a round-the-world trip his made with his family in 1949.