Yorkshire Press article on Edward of Middleham's possible resting pl
Yorkshire Press article on Edward of Middleham's possible resting pl
2014-07-26 22:04:55
The article's author posits that Edward's body had to be left at Sheriff Hutton, where it had been taken for his funeral:
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/main-topics/general-news/turbulent-past-of-a-quiet-place-of-rest-for-boy-prince-1-6748938
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/main-topics/general-news/turbulent-past-of-a-quiet-place-of-rest-for-boy-prince-1-6748938
Tamara
Re: Yorkshire Press article on Edward of Middleham's possible restin
2014-07-27 23:25:47
Tamara wrote :
"The article's author posits that Edward's body had to be left at Sheriff Hutton, where it had been taken for his funeral:"
Carol responds:
Interesting article. Thanks for the link. But if I read one more time that Richard's death marked the end of the Middle Ages . . . .
Carol
Re: Yorkshire Press article on Edward of Middleham's possible restin
2014-07-28 16:06:27
Carol wrote:
But if I read one more time that Richard's death marked the end of the Middle Ages . . . .
Exactly my sentiments!
And besides, is there any proof that Edward of Middleham was buried in Sherriff Hutton at all.? I thought the
alleged tomb is now considered to be from an earlier date than late 15. century.
Eva
But if I read one more time that Richard's death marked the end of the Middle Ages . . . .
Exactly my sentiments!
And besides, is there any proof that Edward of Middleham was buried in Sherriff Hutton at all.? I thought the
alleged tomb is now considered to be from an earlier date than late 15. century.
Eva
Re: Yorkshire Press article on Edward of Middleham's possible restin
2014-07-28 19:10:46
Eva wrote:
"Exactly my sentiments!
And besides, is there any proof that Edward of Middleham was buried in Sherriff Hutton at all.? I thought the
alleged tomb is now considered to be from an earlier date than late 15. century."
Marie responds:
It is indeed. It's been identified as the work of a mason working in Yorkshire right at the start of the century. Besides, Sheriff Hutton wasn't even on Richard's itinerary when he went north after Edward's death. Perhaps somebody should break it gently to the vicar.
Re: Yorkshire Press article on Edward of Middleham's possible restin
2014-07-28 19:12:55
Carol earlier:
"But if I read one more time that Richard's death marked the end of the Middle Ages . . . ."
Eva responded:
"Exactly my sentiments! And besides, is there any proof that Edward of Middleham was buried in Sherriff Hutton at all.? I thought the alleged tomb is now considered to be from an earlier date than late 15. century."
Carol again:
Right. The "tomb" is a cenotaph from, I think, the time of Richard II (someone correct me if I'm wrong). Marie can probably quote what little Rous says about it.
And while we're one the subject, I'm also tired of reading that Edward of Middleham died on April 9, 1484 (exactly one year after Edward IV's death), with the implication that the innocent child's death was divine retribution against Richard. If I recall correctly (no time to check), the Croyland chronicler says that he fell ill or died *near* the time of Edward IV's "anniversary," while Rous, if I recall correctly, says that he fell ill or died at Easter time (Easter 1484 was April 18). We don't know exactly when EoM died, but it seems to have been some time after April 9, To keep repeating (as an otherwise excellent article in the recent Ricardian Bulletin does) that little Edward died on April 9 (significant to anyone who knows Edward IV's death date) is to perpetuate yet another anti-Richard myth.
I suspect that the chronicler (who considered Richard a usurper and tyrant though he never accused him of killing his nephews) meant to insinuate the concept of divine retribution (and deliberately kept his information vague for that reason, assuming that he knew the actual date), but (in my view) it's time that historians and researchers dropped that medieval idea.
Carol
"But if I read one more time that Richard's death marked the end of the Middle Ages . . . ."
Eva responded:
"Exactly my sentiments! And besides, is there any proof that Edward of Middleham was buried in Sherriff Hutton at all.? I thought the alleged tomb is now considered to be from an earlier date than late 15. century."
Carol again:
Right. The "tomb" is a cenotaph from, I think, the time of Richard II (someone correct me if I'm wrong). Marie can probably quote what little Rous says about it.
And while we're one the subject, I'm also tired of reading that Edward of Middleham died on April 9, 1484 (exactly one year after Edward IV's death), with the implication that the innocent child's death was divine retribution against Richard. If I recall correctly (no time to check), the Croyland chronicler says that he fell ill or died *near* the time of Edward IV's "anniversary," while Rous, if I recall correctly, says that he fell ill or died at Easter time (Easter 1484 was April 18). We don't know exactly when EoM died, but it seems to have been some time after April 9, To keep repeating (as an otherwise excellent article in the recent Ricardian Bulletin does) that little Edward died on April 9 (significant to anyone who knows Edward IV's death date) is to perpetuate yet another anti-Richard myth.
I suspect that the chronicler (who considered Richard a usurper and tyrant though he never accused him of killing his nephews) meant to insinuate the concept of divine retribution (and deliberately kept his information vague for that reason, assuming that he knew the actual date), but (in my view) it's time that historians and researchers dropped that medieval idea.
Carol
Re: Yorkshire Press article on Edward of Middleham's possible restin
2014-07-28 21:55:22
I think that we had a debate on the forum ages ago and decided that it probably wasn't his tomb and that we don't really know where he is buried. I think that we also discussed Richard's itinerary after leaving Nottingham for York and it does not mention Sheriff Hutton.
Mary
Mary
Re: Yorkshire Press article on Edward of Middleham's possible restin
2014-07-28 23:00:21
Yes that's correct Mary..Richard did not visit Sherriff Hutton until Monday 24 May...He did not leave Nottingham until Tuesday 27th April..from whence he travelled to Doncaster, Pontefract, York, Nappa, Middleham, Barnard Castle, Newcastle, Durham, Rievaulx, Scarborough Castle before arriving at Sherrif Hutton. Surely even if he would not have been allowed to attend Edwards's funeral he would have made his way there earlier than that?
It's a pretty story though isn't it with maybe a kernel of truth in it because I find it easy to believe that despite where ever his son was laid to rest, Richard may have intended to have his immediate family finally all laid to rest together. Eileen
It's a pretty story though isn't it with maybe a kernel of truth in it because I find it easy to believe that despite where ever his son was laid to rest, Richard may have intended to have his immediate family finally all laid to rest together. Eileen