English weather

English weather

2014-07-28 00:24:54
justcarol67
On a lighter note than that of recent posts, what's the weather like in England (all parts)? I'll be in London, Leicester, and York, among other places associated with Richard from August 4 through 14--afraid we couldn't fit Ludlow into this trip, though). Or make that August 5 through 13 as the other two dates are travel days.

I am expecting a severe case of jet lag as England is eight hours ahead of Arizona. (It's now 4:24 p.m. on Sunday here, but those of you in England are, I hope, sound asleep at 12:24 a.m. Monday! (I hope I can sleep on the plane!)

Carol


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2014-07-28 02:59:55
wednesday\_mc
---In , <justcarol67@...> wrote :

On a lighter note than that of recent posts, what's the weather like in England (all parts)? I'll be in London, Leicester, and York, among other places associated with Richard from August 4 through 14--afraid we couldn't fit Ludlow into this trip, though). Or make that August 5 through 13 as the other two dates are travel days.

I am expecting a severe case of jet lag as England is eight hours ahead of Arizona. (It's now 4:24 p.m. on Sunday here, but those of you in England are, I hope, sound asleep at 12:24 a.m. Monday! (I hope I can sleep on the plane!)


Weds writes:
Can't answer for the weather (I was told to dress for any possible weather, which meant layering, and the best thing I took was a good raincoat with a hood because I hate carrying an umbrella), but as to the jet lag, the trick is to stay up when you get there until it's time to go to bed locally. Then...go to bed. (Note that it won't get dark until around ten, and the sun comes up around three in the summer, so take one of those eye masks to wear if you're light sensitive.) You'll wake up without suffering from jetlag if you go to bed when the natives do.

I don't know the cure for jetlag coming back to the States. All I cared about was not losing a moment more to sleep than I absolutely had to while I was in Britain, and this worked. (I dragged for about two weeks when I came back home.)

Also... drill it into your head to look RIGHT and not left when you go to cross a street. Otherwise, you could very much wish you had.

~Weds

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2014-07-28 18:06:06
justcarol67
Weds wrote:

"Can't answer for the weather (I was told to dress for any possible weather, which meant layering, and the best thing I took was a good raincoat with a hood because I hate carrying an umbrella), but as to the jet lag, the trick is to stay up when you get there until it's time to go to bed locally. Then...go to bed. (Note that it won't get dark until around ten, and the sun comes up around three in the summer, so take one of those eye masks to wear if you're light sensitive.) You'll wake up without suffering from jetlag if you go to bed when the natives do."

Carol responds:

Thanks for the suggestions, especially going to bed at the local bedtime. (But I hate daylight saving time, or "summer time," as I believe it's called in England. What a stupid idea--forcing everyone to wake up at three or four in the morning! It ought to be ended instead of extended as it recently was. Thank goodness we don't have it here in Arizona. We need "evening saving time"!)

I'll bring an umbrella, anyway (mine is small) because I need it for shoulder therapy exercises. I don't own a raincoat (as you know, it only rains in Southern Arizona during the monsoon season and, if we're lucky, once in a while during what passes for winter. I *might* be able to squeeze in the poncho I bought in Costa Rica in 2004--if I can find it.

Regarding looking left instead of right, I look both ways, but left first, then right, then left again. When I was in England in 1995, a man came up to me and said, "you must be American." Yep. That and my American accent left no one in doubt. But don't worry. I'll look right, I won't drive, and I'll "mind the gap" if I use the subway, er, I mean, the London Underground (which, by the way, is brilliantly designed--I found my way around with ease. The bus routes, on the other hand . . . .)

Carol


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2014-07-28 22:07:54
Hilary Jones
Oh dear. It currently gets dark at about 9.30 pm and light at about 4.30 am (the days are fast moving towards winter). As I write (about 10 miles from Leicester) it's 21.56 pm and about 21 degrees. We haven't had rain for about 10 days but I believe there were storms in Worthing which flooded the station! We drive on the left but when we go to France for the day (35 mins in the Channel tunnel) we drive on the right and then back on the left again when we come home. Sorry, but I lived in Australia for a few years where they couldn't believe one could drive on the right and survive! Yes, you can. Be brave. And you only need that mac in Manchester :) :) H

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2014-07-29 04:06:59
justcarol67
Hilary wrote :

"Oh dear. It currently gets dark at about 9.30 pm and light at about 4.30 am (the days are fast moving towards winter). "As I write (about 10 miles from Leicester) it's 21.56 pm and about 21 degrees. We haven't had rain for about 10 days but I believe there were storms in Worthing which flooded the station!" [snip]

Carol responds:

Thanks, Hilary. Re the snipped part of the post, we've hired a driver (named Al) for the entire trip, so we won't have to risk our lives driving on the "wrong" side of the road with a "wrong"-sided steering wheel.

The early dawn I'll have to live with (why anyone wants early daylight is beyond me). but I've bought a sleep mask in hopes that it will help. I haven't mastered Centigrade, but I have a general idea that 50 degrees is halfway between freezing and boiling and therefore probably comfortable, anything below 25 degrees is cold, and anything above 75 degrees intolerably hot. Okay, now that I've made a fool of myself, I'll look up 21 degrees on a temperature converter--it comes out as 69.8 degrees, very comfortable for "21.56" (9:56 p.m.), so there goes my theory out the window.

I'll have an umbrella, and just in case I need it, I bought an emergency poncho that will fit in my purse for about two dollars. (I think that's 1.2 pounds at the current exchange rate.)

Which reminds me, I exchanged some dollars for pound notes today. I must say your money is much prettier than ours!

Carol

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2014-07-29 10:01:42
Janjovian
I do hope you have a lovely time. We think our present high temperature is unbearably hot, 27 C.
But having visited Arizona and experienced real heat I imagine it will seem pleasantly cool to you.
It is much more humid here though. Not the dry desert heat you will be used to.
I hope you get to see lots of wonderful things, I feel sure you will.

Jess From: justcarol67@... []
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Hilary wrote :

"Oh dear. It currently gets dark at about 9.30 pm and light at about 4.30 am (the days are fast moving towards winter). "As I write (about 10 miles from Leicester) it's 21.56 pm and about 21 degrees. We haven't had rain for about 10 days but I believe there were storms in Worthing which flooded the station!" [snip]

Carol responds:

Thanks, Hilary. Re the snipped part of the post, we've hired a driver (named Al) for the entire trip, so we won't have to risk our lives driving on the "wrong" side of the road with a "wrong"-sided steering wheel.

The early dawn I'll have to live with (why anyone wants early daylight is beyond me). but I've bought a sleep mask in hopes that it will help. I haven't mastered Centigrade, but I have a general idea that 50 degrees is halfway between freezing and boiling and therefore probably comfortable, anything below 25 degrees is cold, and anything above 75 degrees intolerably hot. Okay, now that I've made a fool of myself, I'll look up 21 degrees on a temperature converter--it comes out as 69.8 degrees, very comfortable for "21.56" (9:56 p.m.), so there goes my theory out the window.

I'll have an umbrella, and just in case I need it, I bought an emergency poncho that will fit in my purse for about two dollars. (I think that's 1.2 pounds at the current exchange rate.)

Which reminds me, I exchanged some dollars for pound notes today. I must say your money is much prettier than ours!

Carol

Re: English weather

2014-07-29 17:18:35
50°C fairly comfortable? Thank God it never has 50°C were I live! 25°C is warm, 30°C hot and 40°C hardly baerable.
But I think in England 40°seldom occur.
I wish you a wonderful time in England1
Eva

Re: English weather

2014-07-29 18:30:04
justcarol67

Jess wrote :

"I do hope you have a lovely time. We think our present high temperature is unbearably hot, 27 C. But having visited Arizona and experienced real heat I imagine it will seem pleasantly cool to you.
It is much more humid here though. Not the dry desert heat you will be used to. I hope you get to see lots of wonderful things, I feel sure you will."

Carol responds:

Thanks very much for the good wishes. 27 C. is 80.6 Fahrenheit, balmy spring weather by our standards. Our current highs are in the low hundreds (the monsoon rains are in a lull). Today's high, 100 on the nose, converts to about 37.8 C, which should give you some idea of what I'm used to. I was in England (London and Oxford) during your 1995 "heat wave," memorialized in the fifth Harry Potter book, and was perfectly comfortable. I remember seeing Londoners standing by the fountain in Trafalgar Square hoping to feel a bit of spray. It rained only once when I was there--otherwise, fair and warm like late spring in Tucson.

It's not all that dry here this time of year. The humidity today is 31 percent but will be higher when the rains start up again, hopefully not while my plane is taking off or landing!

Returning to Richard for a moment, I should get some idea of what the weather was like at Bosworth on August 22, 1485 (though it will be about a week and a half earlier when I'm there). Thank goodness, I won't be wearing armor!

Carol

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2014-07-29 18:45:31
justcarol67

Eva wrote :

"50°C fairly comfortable? Thank God it never has 50°C were I live! 25°C is warm, 30°C hot and 40°C hardly baerable.
But I think in England 40°seldom occur.
I wish you a wonderful time in England1"

Carol responds:

Thanks for the good wishes. I just checked and found that 50 degrees C. is 122 degrees F. It doesn't get that hot even here. So much for my system of guesstimating Centigrade/Celsius! I'll have to rethink it based on a table.

It looks to me as if 7 to 12 is cold to cool, 13 to 19 is sweater weather, 20 to 27 is comfortable, 28 to 35 is warm, 36 to 41 is hot, and above that is stay home; it's too hot to go out. Below 7 is too cold for me, but I doubt I'll have to worry about that in August!

Carol, who has decided to print the conversion chart and take it with her

Re: English weather

2014-07-29 18:58:45
Jessie Skinner

Older people here still tend to think in Fahrenheit, which we used to use when I was a child, but we have used Celsius all my adult life, so when we visit the USA I get quite confused.

Jess

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Eva wrote :

"50°C fairly comfortable? Thank God it never has 50°C were I live!  25°C is warm, 30°C hot and 40°C hardly baerable.
But I think in England 40°seldom occur.
I wish you a wonderful time in England1"

Carol responds:

Thanks for the good wishes. I just checked and found that 50 degrees C. is 122 degrees F. It doesn't get that hot even here. So much for my system of guesstimating Centigrade/Celsius! I'll have to rethink it based on a table.

It looks to me as if 7 to 12 is cold to cool, 13 to 19 is sweater weather, 20 to 27 is comfortable, 28 to 35 is warm, 36 to 41 is hot, and above that is stay home; it's too hot to go out. Below 7 is too cold for me, but I doubt I'll have to worry about that in August!

Carol, who has decided to print the conversion chart and take it with her

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2014-07-29 19:12:31
SandraMachin
Not so much of the older people, if you please! I'm young, I tell you. Young! =^..^= From: mailto: Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 6:55 PM To: Subject: Re: Re: English weather

Older people here still tend to think in Fahrenheit, which we used to use when I was a child, but we have used Celsius all my adult life, so when we visit the USA I get quite confused.

Jess

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Eva wrote :

"50°C fairly comfortable? Thank God it never has 50°C were I live! 25°C is warm, 30°C hot and 40°C hardly baerable.
But I think in England 40°seldom occur.
I wish you a wonderful time in England1"

Carol responds:

Thanks for the good wishes. I just checked and found that 50 degrees C. is 122 degrees F. It doesn't get that hot even here. So much for my system of guesstimating Centigrade/Celsius! I'll have to rethink it based on a table.

It looks to me as if 7 to 12 is cold to cool, 13 to 19 is sweater weather, 20 to 27 is comfortable, 28 to 35 is warm, 36 to 41 is hot, and above that is stay home; it's too hot to go out. Below 7 is too cold for me, but I doubt I'll have to worry about that in August!

Carol, who has decided to print the conversion chart and take it with her

Re: English weather

2014-07-29 19:48:31
Pamela Bain
The only rule I remember is 82 degrees Fahrenheit is 28 degrees Centigrade. It is hotter in hell in Texas, about 100 degrees in the afternoon, but we do not usually have a prolonged winter. We have "cold snaps" when temps plunge from the 70's to the 30's in less than a few hours. So, in the winter we usually layer, to be warm in the morning, and temperate in the afternoon.

On Jul 29, 2014, at 12:58 PM, "Jessie Skinner janjovian@... []" <> wrote:

Older people here still tend to think in Fahrenheit, which we used to use when I was a child, but we have used Celsius all my adult life, so when we visit the USA I get quite confused.

Jess

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Eva wrote :

"50°C fairly comfortable? Thank God it never has 50°C were I live! 25°C is warm, 30°C hot and 40°C hardly baerable.
But I think in England 40°seldom occur.
I wish you a wonderful time in England1"

Carol responds:

Thanks for the good wishes. I just checked and found that 50 degrees C. is 122 degrees F. It doesn't get that hot even here. So much for my system of guesstimating Centigrade/Celsius! I'll have to rethink it based on a table.

It looks to me as if 7 to 12 is cold to cool, 13 to 19 is sweater weather, 20 to 27 is comfortable, 28 to 35 is warm, 36 to 41 is hot, and above that is stay home; it's too hot to go out. Below 7 is too cold for me, but I doubt I'll have to worry about that in August!

Carol, who has decided to print the conversion chart and take it with her

Re: English weather

2014-07-29 19:54:20
Pamela Bain
Yes,mSandra, age is "just a number"! Some days I feel young, and other I fell about 1,000 years old!
On Jul 29, 2014, at 1:12 PM, "'SandraMachin' sandramachin@... []" <> wrote:

Not so much of the older people, if you please! I'm young, I tell you. Young! =^..^= From: mailto: Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 6:55 PM To: Subject: Re: Re: English weather

Older people here still tend to think in Fahrenheit, which we used to use when I was a child, but we have used Celsius all my adult life, so when we visit the USA I get quite confused.

Jess

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Eva wrote :

"50°C fairly comfortable? Thank God it never has 50°C were I live! 25°C is warm, 30°C hot and 40°C hardly baerable.
But I think in England 40°seldom occur.
I wish you a wonderful time in England1"

Carol responds:

Thanks for the good wishes. I just checked and found that 50 degrees C. is 122 degrees F. It doesn't get that hot even here. So much for my system of guesstimating Centigrade/Celsius! I'll have to rethink it based on a table.

It looks to me as if 7 to 12 is cold to cool, 13 to 19 is sweater weather, 20 to 27 is comfortable, 28 to 35 is warm, 36 to 41 is hot, and above that is stay home; it's too hot to go out. Below 7 is too cold for me, but I doubt I'll have to worry about that in August!

Carol, who has decided to print the conversion chart and take it with her

Re: English weather

2014-07-29 19:58:24
SandraMachin
Don't I know it, Pamela. I have six cylinders (I think) but only one is firing today...! <g> =^..^= From: mailto: Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 7:54 PM To: mailto: Subject: Re: Re: English weather

Yes,mSandra, age is "just a number"! Some days I feel young, and other I fell about 1,000 years old!
On Jul 29, 2014, at 1:12 PM, "'SandraMachin' sandramachin@... []" <> wrote:

Not so much of the older people, if you please! I'm young, I tell you. Young! =^..^= From: mailto: Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 6:55 PM To: Subject: Re: Re: English weather

Older people here still tend to think in Fahrenheit, which we used to use when I was a child, but we have used Celsius all my adult life, so when we visit the USA I get quite confused.

Jess

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Eva wrote :

"50°C fairly comfortable? Thank God it never has 50°C were I live! 25°C is warm, 30°C hot and 40°C hardly baerable.
But I think in England 40°seldom occur.
I wish you a wonderful time in England1"

Carol responds:

Thanks for the good wishes. I just checked and found that 50 degrees C. is 122 degrees F. It doesn't get that hot even here. So much for my system of guesstimating Centigrade/Celsius! I'll have to rethink it based on a table.

It looks to me as if 7 to 12 is cold to cool, 13 to 19 is sweater weather, 20 to 27 is comfortable, 28 to 35 is warm, 36 to 41 is hot, and above that is stay home; it's too hot to go out. Below 7 is too cold for me, but I doubt I'll have to worry about that in August!

Carol, who has decided to print the conversion chart and take it with her

Re: English weather

2014-07-29 20:40:17
mariewalsh2003

Hope you have a really good time, Carol. There's just loads to see in York - obviously loads in London but not so much medieval stuff left. So far we're having what we call a good summer, which means warm but not without the odd shower.

Marie

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2014-07-29 22:35:48
Janjovian
We.....ll......... I'm old, sorry, young, too. But I still can't remember Fahrenheit very well.
At my sisters in Florida, she understood it all perfectly, and I'm older than her!

Jess = From: 'SandraMachin' sandramachin@... []
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Not so much of the older people, if you please! I'm young, I tell you. Young! =^..^= From: mailto: Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 6:55 PM To: Subject: Re: Re: English weather

Older people here still tend to think in Fahrenheit, which we used to use when I was a child, but we have used Celsius all my adult life, so when we visit the USA I get quite confused.

Jess

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Eva wrote :

"50°C fairly comfortable? Thank God it never has 50°C were I live! 25°C is warm, 30°C hot and 40°C hardly baerable.
But I think in England 40°seldom occur.
I wish you a wonderful time in England1"

Carol responds:

Thanks for the good wishes. I just checked and found that 50 degrees C. is 122 degrees F. It doesn't get that hot even here. So much for my system of guesstimating Centigrade/Celsius! I'll have to rethink it based on a table.

It looks to me as if 7 to 12 is cold to cool, 13 to 19 is sweater weather, 20 to 27 is comfortable, 28 to 35 is warm, 36 to 41 is hot, and above that is stay home; it's too hot to go out. Below 7 is too cold for me, but I doubt I'll have to worry about that in August!

Carol, who has decided to print the conversion chart and take it with her

Re: English weather

2014-07-30 10:28:18
Sandra Pidgeon
Conversion is easy. F to C - subtract 32 then take five ninths of the result. So 122F minus 32 is 90. Five ninths of 90 = 50C

C to F, reverse it. Take nine fifths of C and add 32 to the result. So nine fifths of 50C is 90, plus 32 = 122F

I knew school days physics would come in handy one day!

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2014-07-30 10:57:42
SandraMachin
Umm...would you type that again? Slowly...? Sandra =^..^= From: mailto: Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:28 AM To: Subject: Re: English weather

Conversion is easy. F to C - subtract 32 then take five ninths of the result. So 122F minus 32 is 90. Five ninths of 90 = 50C

C to F, reverse it. Take nine fifths of C and add 32 to the result. So nine fifths of 50C is 90, plus 32 = 122F

I knew school days physics would come in handy one day!

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Re: English weather

2014-07-30 12:05:26
SandraMachin
I've been asked by Sharon (whose posts don't seem to be showing up) to post this regarding converting C and F:- The best way I've found of converting celsius to fahrenheit is double it and
add 28. So 20 degrees celsius is about 68 degrees fahrenheit. it's not exactly
right but it's within a degree or tow and close enough to decide whether you
need to layer up or not! Sharon. Sandra =^..^= From: mailto: Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:57 AM To: Subject: Re: Re: English weather

Umm...would you type that again? Slowly...? Sandra =^..^= From: mailto: Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:28 AM To: Subject: Re: English weather

Conversion is easy. F to C - subtract 32 then take five ninths of the result. So 122F minus 32 is 90. Five ninths of 90 = 50C

C to F, reverse it. Take nine fifths of C and add 32 to the result. So nine fifths of 50C is 90, plus 32 = 122F

I knew school days physics would come in handy one day!

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Re: English weather

2014-07-30 13:03:29
Pamela Bain
Yes, Physics was never my strong point!
On Jul 30, 2014, at 4:57 AM, "'SandraMachin' sandramachin@... []" <> wrote:

Umm...would you type that again? Slowly...? Sandra =^..^= From: mailto: Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:28 AM To: Subject: Re: English weather

Conversion is easy. F to C - subtract 32 then take five ninths of the result. So 122F minus 32 is 90. Five ninths of 90 = 50C

C to F, reverse it. Take nine fifths of C and add 32 to the result. So nine fifths of 50C is 90, plus 32 = 122F

I knew school days physics would come in handy one day!

Sent from my iPad

Re: English weather

2014-07-30 13:14:38
Paul Trevor Bale
Yes, I was in Morocco a few years ago when in August the temperature reached 48C and one could hardly move around outside an air conditioned hotel room!
England rarely reaches 25C though I'm sure that will change with global warming.
Paul

On 29/07/2014 18:45, justcarol67@... [] wrote:

Eva wrote :

"50°C fairly comfortable? Thank God it never has 50°C were I live! 25°C is warm, 30°C hot and 40°C hardly baerable.
But I think in England 40°seldom occur.
I wish you a wonderful time in England1"

Carol responds:

Thanks for the good wishes. I just checked and found that 50 degrees C. is 122 degrees F. It doesn't get that hot even here. So much for my system of guesstimating Centigrade/Celsius! I'll have to rethink it based on a table.

It looks to me as if 7 to 12 is cold to cool, 13 to 19 is sweater weather, 20 to 27 is comfortable, 28 to 35 is warm, 36 to 41 is hot, and above that is stay home; it's too hot to go out. Below 7 is too cold for me, but I doubt I'll have to worry about that in August!

Carol, who has decided to print the conversion chart and take it with her



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Richard Liveth Yet!

Re: English weather

2014-07-30 13:43:41
Hilary Jones
Hi, I never thought I'd cause a storm with temperatures in celsius (sorry for the pun)! But the trouble is we don't have air con so it always seems much more humid and uncomfortable. I was used to 32 (celsius) in Aus by 9 am but I would get up at 5 am and retreat indoors. I hope you have a lovely time. The temperature here at 13.41 is 20 celsius, so comfortable today! H

Re: English weather

2014-07-30 16:00:52
Yes, I think England is quite lucky with its usually moderate temperature.
We had up to 40°c in Austria last summer! Newspapers thought it was great to establish a new record.
I could not quite share their enthusiasm.
Eva, who thinks everything above 30°C is too much

Re: English weather

2014-07-31 10:40:54
brian\_carole1984
I found it hard to convert from Farenheit to Centigrade as I am old (sic)!So I remember this rhyme.
5, 15 and 21Winter, Spring and Summer sun.
I have to say summer sun in Berkshire this week has around 27 so a lot hotter than the poem, but then 27 would not fit the ditty.
Enjoy your visit to the UK Carol.
Woodnymph

Re: English weather

2014-08-19 18:56:57
justcarol67
Marie wrote :

"Hope you have a really good time, Carol. There's just loads to see in York - obviously loads in London but not so much medieval stuff left. So far we're having what we call a good summer, which means warm but not without the odd shower."


Carol responds:


Thanks, Marie and everyone. I'll talk more about my trip later but just about the weather here. It was beautiful with intermittent showers and highs of between 19 and 23 degrees C for the three days I was in London and the two in Leicester, but when I got to York, the remains of Hurricane Bertha had arrived, and it was quite rainy the first day (loved it, anyway). While we were visiting Castle Howard (put on my itinerary by the travel agent in the mistaken belief that it had something to do with the Duke of Norfolk rather than his distant descendants), I felt like Mary Poppins, about to be blown away on the wind as it caught the big black umbrella lent me by our wonderful guide (about whom more later).


I just heard several claps of thunder (a "monsoon" storm) and need to get off the computer again. Back when it stops.


Carol

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