Folio

Folio

2014-08-20 10:32:12
Paul Trevor Bale
Just before the worst day in the Ricardian calendar, Friday is the day
of mourning, let nobody forget, I have to report that The Folio Society
in London, that produces beautiful editions of books, from fiction
classics to poetry, biographies, histories, and even exclusive books, is
publishing a biography of Richard to "celebrate" the discovery of the
King's bones. What have they chosen to spend a lot of money on, with a
newly designed cover and numerous illustrations, on acid resistant,
therefore long lasting paper? In 1965 they published a volume called
The Great Debate, in which Thomas More and Horace Walpole displayed
both sides of the argument, with an introduction by Paul Murray Kendall.
Have they reprinted this? No. Have they chosen Kendall's biography, or
any of the schjolarly works since? No.
Only one writer on Richard and his times is worse than the 'factional'
writings of Alison Weir, and that is the "biography" they have chosen to
publish to 'celebrate' with, Desmond Seward.
I wrote to them expressing my disgust, and they have not responded, even
though I am a member, though I will not be renewing.
An insult to Richard's memory Seward, worse even than Hicks.
Paul

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Richard Liveth Yet!

Re: Folio

2014-08-20 10:51:00
SandraMachin
Oh Paul, I'm dismayed to say the least. It wouldn't be so bad if they published two volumes, the second to give a balanced view. I wouldn't renew either, if I belonged. I wish I did, so I too could make the gesture. Sandra =^..^= From: mailto: Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 10:32 AM To: RichardIIISociety forum Subject: Folio

Just before the worst day in the Ricardian calendar, Friday is the day
of mourning, let nobody forget, I have to report that The Folio Society
in London, that produces beautiful editions of books, from fiction
classics to poetry, biographies, histories, and even exclusive books, is
publishing a biography of Richard to "celebrate" the discovery of the
King's bones. What have they chosen to spend a lot of money on, with a
newly designed cover and numerous illustrations, on acid resistant,
therefore long lasting paper? In 1965 they published a volume called
The Great Debate, in which Thomas More and Horace Walpole displayed
both sides of the argument, with an introduction by Paul Murray Kendall.
Have they reprinted this? No. Have they chosen Kendall's biography, or
any of the schjolarly works since? No.
Only one writer on Richard and his times is worse than the 'factional'
writings of Alison Weir, and that is the "biography" they have chosen to
publish to 'celebrate' with, Desmond Seward.
I wrote to them expressing my disgust, and they have not responded, even
though I am a member, though I will not be renewing.
An insult to Richard's memory Seward, worse even than Hicks.
Paul

--
Richard Liveth Yet!

Re: Folio

2014-08-20 11:37:00
Jonathan Evans
That's deeply depressing. I can only assume that the rights for Seward were the cheapest available. I doubt anyone there's particularly concerned about the book's status as reputable history, nor how the debate has moved on over the last 20 years. But if you're so unconcerned about the text itself, no matter how pretty the presentation, it rather knocks on the head your reputation as a high-end publisher...
Jonathan

From: "Paul Trevor Bale paul.bale@... []" <>
To: RichardIIISociety forum <>
Sent: Wednesday, 20 August 2014, 10:32
Subject: Folio

Just before the worst day in the Ricardian calendar, Friday is the day
of mourning, let nobody forget, I have to report that The Folio Society
in London, that produces beautiful editions of books, from fiction
classics to poetry, biographies, histories, and even exclusive books, is
publishing a biography of Richard to "celebrate" the discovery of the
King's bones. What have they chosen to spend a lot of money on, with a
newly designed cover and numerous illustrations, on acid resistant,
therefore long lasting paper? In 1965 they published a volume called
The Great Debate, in which Thomas More and Horace Walpole displayed
both sides of the argument, with an introduction by Paul Murray Kendall.
Have they reprinted this? No. Have they chosen Kendall's biography, or
any of the schjolarly works since? No.
Only one writer on Richard and his times is worse than the 'factional'
writings of Alison Weir, and that is the "biography" they have chosen to
publish to 'celebrate' with, Desmond Seward.
I wrote to them expressing my disgust, and they have not responded, even
though I am a member, though I will not be renewing.
An insult to Richard's memory Seward, worse even than Hicks.
Paul

--
Richard Liveth Yet!


Re: Folio

2014-08-20 15:23:40
mariewalsh2003

Hi Sandra & Paul,

Knowing how these things usually work, I imagine Desmond Seward is a likely to be a personal friend of the powers that be in the Folio Society - perhaps heavily involved in it - after all, it's such a weird choice of biography to reissue. This is why it almost never works to lambast publishers for their bad publication choices: you're usually insulting one of their mates. Politely showing that a work contains numerous errors of fact can, however, sometimes pay off. I must admit I've never read Seward's 'Black Legend' - it's such a silly title - but if anyone has they might be able to engage with the Folio Soc. regarding a suitable balance volume.

Marie

Re: Folio

2014-08-20 15:38:45
SandraMachin
Marie, I doubt if the Folio Society would pay much attention to me, the writer of a series of raunchy medieval romps! Hardly Folio Society territory. I can imagine some spluttering into their finest Dongting Biluochun. No PG Tips there, I'm sure. Sandra =^..^= From: mariewalsh2003 Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 3:23 PM To: Subject: Re: Folio

Hi Sandra & Paul,

Knowing how these things usually work, I imagine Desmond Seward is a likely to be a personal friend of the powers that be in the Folio Society - perhaps heavily involved in it - after all, it's such a weird choice of biography to reissue. This is why it almost never works to lambast publishers for their bad publication choices: you're usually insulting one of their mates. Politely showing that a work contains numerous errors of fact can, however, sometimes pay off. I must admit I've never read Seward's 'Black Legend' - it's such a silly title - but if anyone has they might be able to engage with the Folio Soc. regarding a suitable balance volume.

Marie

Re: Folio

2014-08-20 23:16:37
ricard1an
I agree absolutely Paul. What on earth made them choose Seward?Mary

Re: Folio

2014-08-21 11:44:24
ellrosa1452
Paul, Marie, Sandra et al Folio have produced Kendall's Richard III in 2005. I have copy from an online booksellers called Ardis who sell secondhand folio books in all conditions. Mine is a "fine" copy and looks brand new. They also sell on ebay and also Amazon. It has colour reproductions. My original paperback was falling to bits; I have had it since I was a teenager and it is very well used.
I agree about the choice of Seward being a very unpleasant choice. Hope they don't sell, that will serve them right. Marie is probably right about him being a friend of someone. Elaine

Re: Folio

2014-08-21 14:20:45
Paul Trevor Bale
Exactly my feelings Jonathan.
What is even worse is it has been 'updated,' to include Seward's "new evidence of Richard's involvement in the death of Henry VI, his failure to prevent the bizarre and brutal execution of his brother George, and his disposal of the Princes in the Tower". Seward is "convinced of the truth of the traditional version of Richard's rise".
This new version includes photos of Richard's skeleton and descriptions of the weapons used to kill him. No doubt the aithor revels in this part.
He describes Richard as a "thin and pale man with a deformed spine who was a ruthless Machiavellian genius who would stop at nothing in his bid for power".
I wonder what documents he is using, apart from More and Vergil no doubt, as I don't recognise any of this!
To add insult to injury Thomas Penn has written a forward. is he not writing a book now about Richard and his brothers? I was looking forward to it after his Henry VII book, but I now begin to dread it!
Paul

On 20/08/2014 11:36, Jonathan Evans jmcevans98@... [] wrote:
That's deeply depressing. I can only assume that the rights for Seward were the cheapest available. I doubt anyone there's particularly concerned about the book's status as reputable history, nor how the debate has moved on over the last 20 years. But if you're so unconcerned about the text itself, no matter how pretty the presentation, it rather knocks on the head your reputation as a high-end publisher...
Jonathan

From: "Paul Trevor Bale paul.bale@... []" <>
To: RichardIIISociety forum <>
Sent: Wednesday, 20 August 2014, 10:32
Subject: Folio

Just before the worst day in the Ricardian calendar, Friday is the day
of mourning, let nobody forget, I have to report that The Folio Society
in London, that produces beautiful editions of books, from fiction
classics to poetry, biographies, histories, and even exclusive books, is
publishing a biography of Richard to "celebrate" the discovery of the
King's bones. What have they chosen to spend a lot of money on, with a
newly designed cover and numerous illustrations, on acid resistant,
therefore long lasting paper? In 1965 they published a volume called
The Great Debate, in which Thomas More and Horace Walpole displayed
both sides of the argument, with an introduction by Paul Murray Kendall.
Have they reprinted this? No. Have they chosen Kendall's biography, or
any of the schjolarly works since? No.
Only one writer on Richard and his times is worse than the 'factional'
writings of Alison Weir, and that is the "biography" they have chosen to
publish to 'celebrate' with, Desmond Seward.
I wrote to them expressing my disgust, and they have not responded, even
though I am a member, though I will not be renewing.
An insult to Richard's memory Seward, worse even than Hicks.
Paul

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Richard Liveth Yet!




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Richard Liveth Yet!

Re: Folio

2014-08-21 14:36:19
Paul Trevor Bale
I can only find the one I mentioned The Great Debate which has an intro by Kendall.
They did do an edition of Weir's Princes in the Tower [YUK!]
Are you confusing folio with The Folio Society?
Ardis has no listing, neither does E-Bay or even Google, except for the one I mention which is not Kendall's bio of Richard.
Paul

On 21/08/2014 11:43, kathryn198@... [] wrote:
Paul, Marie, Sandra et al Folio have produced Kendall's Richard III in 2005. I have copy from an online booksellers called Ardis who sell secondhand folio books in all conditions. Mine is a "fine" copy and looks brand new. They also sell on ebay and also Amazon. It has colour reproductions. My original paperback was falling to bits; I have had it since I was a teenager and it is very well used.
I agree about the choice of Seward being a very unpleasant choice. Hope they don't sell, that will serve them right. Marie is probably right about him being a friend of someone. Elaine

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Richard Liveth Yet!

Re: Folio

2014-08-21 14:40:49
Thanks for that Elaine...what a good idea as they are lovely books..I have rushed off and ordered the Kendall Book and also The Daughter of Time...which has not cost much more than getting a new paperback version..Paul...is the Great Debate worth getting too...I see it is available....?
Eileen

Re: Folio

2014-08-21 15:52:46
Paul....the books I ordered are Folio Society books..which I presume Elaine was speaking about..
Ive got the Kendall book for £8.95 from an ebay dealer and the Daughter of Time from Oxfam Books on line for £9.95 plus postage..and they are both supposed to be in good order with slips..I have seen more copies of the Kendal book available...


Re: Folio

2014-08-22 10:43:26
Paul Trevor Bale
Well if you don't have the Walpole defence of Richard, yes.
After an exhaustive search I found the Folio Kendall and ordered it, and this morning it arrived, at about the time Richard died 529 years ago.
Paul

On 21/08/2014 14:40, eileenbates147@... [] wrote:
Thanks for that Elaine...what a good idea as they are lovely books..I have rushed off and ordered the Kendall Book and also The Daughter of Time...which has not cost much more than getting a new paperback version.. Paul...is the Great Debate worth getting too...I see it is available....?
Eileen

--
Richard Liveth Yet!

Re: Folio

2014-08-22 10:44:25
Paul Trevor Bale
I paid more for mine than that, and it doesn't have a slip though it is in very good condition!
Paul

On 21/08/2014 15:51, eileenbates147@... [] wrote:
Paul....the books I ordered are Folio Society books..which I presume Elaine was speaking about..
Ive got the Kendall book for £8.95 from an ebay dealer and the Daughter of Time from Oxfam Books on line for £9.95 plus postage..and they are both supposed to be in good order with slips..I have seen more copies of the Kendal book available...




--
Richard Liveth Yet!

Re: Folio

2014-08-22 14:20:48
I haven't made my mind up yet about the Walpole/More yet...Hoping my Kendall book will be in good condition,,..what a horrible design on the cover of the book though...Eileen

Re: Folio

2014-08-22 14:47:29
Jonathan Evans
Had no idea there was a Folio of the Kendall, so have just ordered one, along with 'The Great Debate', to replace my old paperback with the awful cover. That's the danger of threads like this. They lead you to spend money you haven't got - especially as I picked up a Graham Turner giclée canvas last weekend...
Jonathan
P.S. Interesting that a Folio edition of the Seward leads to an upswing in demand, not for that, but for 2nd hand copies of the Folio Kendall - a phenomenon for which the Folio Society won't derive any financial benefit. Perhaps we should tell them?

From: "Paul Trevor Bale paul.bale@... []" <>
To:
Sent: Friday, 22 August 2014, 10:43
Subject: Re: Re: Folio

Well if you don't have the Walpole defence of Richard, yes.
After an exhaustive search I found the Folio Kendall and ordered it, and this morning it arrived, at about the time Richard died 529 years ago.
Paul

On 21/08/2014 14:40, eileenbates147@... [] wrote:
Thanks for that Elaine...what a good idea as they are lovely books..I have rushed off and ordered the Kendall Book and also The Daughter of Time...which has not cost much more than getting a new paperback version.. Paul...is the Great Debate worth getting too...I see it is available....?
Eileen

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Richard Liveth Yet!

Re: Folio

2014-08-22 15:39:32
Gilda Felt
A friend, knowing of my interest in Richard, gave me her copy. And it's in excellent condition!
Gilda


On Aug 22, 2014, at 5:44 AM, Paul Trevor Bale paul.bale@... [] wrote:


I paid more for mine than that, and it doesn't have a slip though it is in very good condition!
Paul

On 21/08/2014 15:51, eileenbates147@... [] wrote:
Paul....the books I ordered are Folio Society books..which I presume Elaine was speaking about..
Ive got the Kendall book for £8.95 from an ebay dealer and the Daughter of Time from Oxfam Books on line for £9.95 plus postage..and they are both supposed to be in good order with slips..I have seen more copies of the Kendal book available...




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Richard Liveth Yet!


Re: Folio

2014-08-22 16:32:23
I think it's good to have a book such as the Kendall one which will be kept and got out for many a year in the lovely Folio edition...my paperback is minus it's covers, minus it's index and last chapter and now coffee coloured. Mind you I must have had it at least 20 years and I think a Bull Mastiff puppy had a game with it at one stage. Anyway thanks to Elaine for pointing out the FS had printed this book and I'm over the moon I'm getting Daughter of Time too...another paperback liable to fall to bits through age....

Re: Folio

2014-08-22 16:45:10
Paul Trevor Bale
A gold replica of Richard's coin? rather nice I thought.
Paul

On 22/08/2014 14:20, eileenbates147@... [] wrote:
I haven't made my mind up yet about the Walpole/More yet... Hoping my Kendall book will be in good condition,,..what a horrible design on the cover of the book though...Eileen

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Richard Liveth Yet!

Re: Folio

2014-08-22 16:46:48
Paul Trevor Bale
Well they haven't got back to me after my complaint about the Seward and suggestion they do a Kendall, before I knew they already had done. So why bother them? :-)
Paul


On 22/08/2014 14:44, Jonathan Evans jmcevans98@... [] wrote:
Had no idea there was a Folio of the Kendall, so have just ordered one, along with 'The Great Debate', to replace my old paperback with the awful cover. That's the danger of threads like this. They lead you to spend money you haven't got - especially as I picked up a Graham Turner giclée canvas last weekend...
Jonathan
P.S. Interesting that a Folio edition of the Seward leads to an upswing in demand, not for that, but for 2nd hand copies of the Folio Kendall - a phenomenon for which the Folio Society won't derive any financial benefit. Perhaps we should tell them?

From: "Paul Trevor Bale paul.bale@... []" <>
To:
Sent: Friday, 22 August 2014, 10:43
Subject: Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Re: Folio

Well if you don't have the Walpole defence of Richard, yes.
After an exhaustive search I found the Folio Kendall and ordered it, and this morning it arrived, at about the time Richard died 529 years ago.
Paul

On 21/08/2014 14:40, eileenbates147@... [] wrote:
Thanks for that Elaine...what a good idea as they are lovely books..I have rushed off and ordered the Kendall Book and also The Daughter of Time...which has not cost much more than getting a new paperback version.. Paul...is the Great Debate worth getting too...I see it is available....?
Eileen

--
Richard Liveth Yet!



--
Richard Liveth Yet!

Re: Folio

2014-08-22 17:14:55
No Paul. that one is lovely and I didn't see any of that version until after I had ordered.. maybe it was the first lot printed...I'm getting one with a horrible and ..well,,modern sort of boar...I'm extremely envious of you..but hey, casting that aside I know the rest of the book will be very, very nice...Eileen
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