Benedict Cumberbatch

Found on internet, sneak pics of Benedict Cumberbatch as Richard in the Hollow Crown. Is it just me who thinks he doesn't really do Richard justice? Might just be the angle of the camera but he looks a bit 'rough', low quality. I know what I'm thinking but can't think how to put it in words! Visually I think it will take a lot to beat Anuerin Barnard as Richard, at least he looked a bit like him! But then again it is Shakespeare so nothing else will be accurate, will it (storyline wise anyway)?! http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2014-09-23/first-look-at-benedict-cumberbatch-in-the-hollow-crown Sharon

Horrible and scruffy. I doubt if Richard ever looked scruffy in his life. Benedict simply isn't my idea of our king, Shakespearean version or not. He's a brilliant actor, but not a Richard. IMHO anyway. Sandra =^..^= From: mailto: Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:46 PM To: Subject: Benedict Cumberbatch

Found on internet, sneak pics of Benedict Cumberbatch as Richard in the Hollow Crown. Is it just me who thinks he doesn't really do Richard justice? Might just be the angle of the camera but he looks a bit 'rough', low quality. I know what I'm thinking but can't think how to put it in words! Visually I think it will take a lot to beat Anuerin Barnard as Richard, at least he looked a bit like him! But then again it is Shakespeare so nothing else will be accurate, will it (storyline wise anyway)?! http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2014-09-23/first-look-at-benedict-cumberbatch-in-the-hollow-crown Sharon

ÿ Glad you think the same Sandra! Wondered if it was just me! He just doesn't cut it, looks very scrawny. In fact he actually looks more like the portraits of H7. Not good at all! Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: 'SandraMachin' sandramachin@... [] To: Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:30 PM Subject: Re: Benedict Cumberbatch

Horrible and scruffy. I doubt if Richard ever looked scruffy in his life. Benedict simply isn't my idea of our king, Shakespearean version or not. He's a brilliant actor, but not a Richard. IMHO anyway. Sandra =^..^= From: mailto: Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:46 PM To: Subject: Benedict Cumberbatch

Found on internet, sneak pics of Benedict Cumberbatch as Richard in the Hollow Crown. Is it just me who thinks he doesn't really do Richard justice? Might just be the angle of the camera but he looks a bit 'rough', low quality. I know what I'm thinking but can't think how to put it in words! Visually I think it will take a lot to beat Anuerin Barnard as Richard, at least he looked a bit like him! But then again it is Shakespeare so nothing else will be accurate, will it (storyline wise anyway)?! http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2014-09-23/first-look-at-benedict-cumberbatch-in-the-hollow-crown Sharon

Oh my, he looks awful, and has a turkey wattle neck! Noooooooo, not my picture at all!



On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:17 PM, 'Sharon Feely' 43118@... [] <> wrote:

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Glad you think the same Sandra! Wondered if it was just me! He just doesn't cut it, looks very scrawny. In fact he actually looks more like the portraits of H7. Not good at all! Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: 'SandraMachin' sandramachin@... [] To: Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:30 PM Subject: Re: Benedict Cumberbatch

Horrible and scruffy. I doubt if Richard ever looked scruffy in his life. Benedict simply isn't my idea of our king, Shakespearean version or not. He's a brilliant actor, but not a Richard. IMHO anyway. Sandra =^..^= From: mailto: Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:46 PM To: Subject: Benedict Cumberbatch

Found on internet, sneak pics of Benedict Cumberbatch as Richard in the Hollow Crown. Is it just me who thinks he doesn't really do Richard justice? Might just be the angle of the camera but he looks a bit 'rough', low quality. I know what I'm thinking but can't think how to put it in words! Visually I think it will take a lot to beat Anuerin Barnard as Richard, at least he looked a bit like him! But then again it is Shakespeare so nothing else will be accurate, will it (storyline wise anyway)?! http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2014-09-23/first-look-at-benedict-cumberbatch-in-the-hollow-crown Sharon

Doesn't work for me either.
Sorry Benedict.

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Horrible and scruffy. I doubt if Richard ever looked scruffy in his life. Benedict simply isn't my idea of our king, Shakespearean version or not. He's a brilliant actor, but not a Richard. IMHO anyway. Sandra =^..^= From: mailto: Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:46 PM To: Subject: Benedict Cumberbatch

Found on internet, sneak pics of Benedict Cumberbatch as Richard in the Hollow Crown. Is it just me who thinks he doesn't really do Richard justice? Might just be the angle of the camera but he looks a bit 'rough', low quality. I know what I'm thinking but can't think how to put it in words! Visually I think it will take a lot to beat Anuerin Barnard as Richard, at least he looked a bit like him! But then again it is Shakespeare so nothing else will be accurate, will it (storyline wise anyway)?! http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2014-09-23/first-look-at-benedict-cumberbatch-in-the-hollow-crown Sharon

Being Shakespeare, the farther the actor from Richard's looks the better? It might help pointing out the difference between the fictional charachter and the man.

He's far too tall - but he will make Clarence look short :) Edward will have to be about 7ft. H

On Thursday, 25 September 2014, 7:00, "mac.thirty@... []" <> wrote:


Being Shakespeare, the farther the actor from Richard's looks the better? It might help pointing out the difference between the fictional charachter and the man.

I agree with Mac - this is Shakespeare's Richard, so surely any resemblance to the real thing is beside the point? Shakespeare's Richard is so self-conscious about his looks and so dismissive of 'the idle pleasures of these days' that I can well see him as scruffy.
Cumberbatch may not be conventionally handsome, but he's an excellent actor, and I thought the previous four plays in 'The Hollow Crown' were very well done. Not realistic, but well done as plays. Looking forward to it.
Also, knowing the (some might say rabid) Cumberbatch fandom, I'm sure a lot of younger people will be inspired to read about Richard beyond Shakespeare's version. That can't be a bad thing.
Pansy

I wonder who Keeley Hawes is playing? I remember seeing her in something recently and thinking how much her face reminded me of Elizabeth Woodville (apart from the nose).
Pansy

I wonder who Keeley Hawes is playing? I remember seeing her in something recently and thinking how much her face reminded me of Elizabeth Woodville (apart from the nose).
Pansy

Pansy wrote:
I wonder who Keeley Hawes is playing? I remember seeing her in something recently and thinking how much her face reminded me of Elizabeth Woodville (apart from the nose)

Keely Hawes is playing Elizabeth Woodville. I see what you mean about the resemblance, maybe its her mouth. I have often wondered what EW would look like in the flesh, as she looks sort of alienlike in the most famous picture of her. A lot of the portraits from that time make the person look so flat and lifeless that it is hard to tell whether they would have been attractive or not.
As for Benedict Cumberbatch, and Sophie Okonedo, they don't look like Richard or Margaret of Anjou, but they are good actors and will probably do justice to the characters. Judi Dench is Cecily, so the cast looks good.

Nico



On Thursday, 25 September 2014, 10:42, pansydobersby <[email protected]> wrote:


I wonder who Keeley Hawes is playing? I remember seeing her in something recently and thinking how much her face reminded me of Elizabeth Woodville (apart from the nose).
Pansy

I agree about the earlier 'Hollow Crown' - brilliant. Shame they used Ben Wishaw as Richard II; I had him much more as the 'other Richard'. And I do think Cumberbatch is v good. It's drama and if it gives more people an interest that's fine. H

I liked 'The Hollow Crown' but felt it lost a bit of steam as it went on. 'Richard II' was a very strong start; 'Henry IV' was good, though it aped cinema too much in how the text was cut, without having the budget, and so lost some key dialogue; but it really fizzled out with Thea Sharrock's 'Henry V'. I was hoping for something radical, but it never quite gelled. And she forgot the one basic rule: if you can't afford a battle, at least avoid long-shots and enshroud what you film in thick mist, as Branagh did.
Jonathan

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I agree about the earlier 'Hollow Crown' - brilliant. Shame they used Ben Wishaw as Richard II; I had him much more as the 'other Richard'. And I do think Cumberbatch is v good. It's drama and if it gives more people an interest that's fine. H

Great points a Pansy and Mac!



On Sep 25, 2014, at 4:29 AM, pansydobersby <[email protected]> wrote:

I agree with Mac - this is Shakespeare's Richard, so surely any resemblance to the real thing is beside the point? Shakespeare's Richard is so self-conscious about his looks and so dismissive of 'the idle pleasures of these days' that I can well see him as scruffy.

Cumberbatch may not be conventionally handsome, but he's an excellent actor, and I thought the previous four plays in 'The Hollow Crown' were very well done. Not realistic, but well done as plays. Looking forward to it.
Also, knowing the (some might say rabid) Cumberbatch fandom, I'm sure a lot of younger people will be inspired to read about Richard beyond Shakespeare's version. That can't be a bad thing.
Pansy

Ah that explains it Jonathan - I've yet to watch H5 (though why they gave him a beard I don't understand). I think it's hard to beat the Agincourt charge of Olivier's H5 with that music and of course the Agincourt song. H

On Thursday, 25 September 2014, 15:40, "Jonathan Evans jmcevans98@... []" <> wrote:


I liked 'The Hollow Crown' but felt it lost a bit of steam as it went on. 'Richard II' was a very strong start; 'Henry IV' was good, though it aped cinema too much in how the text was cut, without having the budget, and so lost some key dialogue; but it really fizzled out with Thea Sharrock's 'Henry V'. I was hoping for something radical, but it never quite gelled. And she forgot the one basic rule: if you can't afford a battle, at least avoid long-shots and enshroud what you film in thick mist, as Branagh did.
Jonathan

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I agree about the earlier 'Hollow Crown' - brilliant. Shame they used Ben Wishaw as Richard II; I had him much more as the 'other Richard'. And I do think Cumberbatch is v good. It's drama and if it gives more people an interest that's fine. H

I quite liked Tom Hiddlestone's less emphatic acting in Henry V's Agincourt monologue and his wooing scene had me melt on the sofa, but I guess it comes to personal taste. I agree the battle scene looked rather empty. Let's see what they come up with Henry VI and Richard now. If we look at it as fiction, as I hope more and more people are doing and will do, it' s masteriece with a first class actor in the title role, combine the two and it should really take an effort to achieve a bad result, I know nothing is impossible though.

Oh, nothing wrong with Tom Hiddleston's Henry. He's a fine actor and was a glorious Coriolanus recently. I just thought the production itself didn't quite hang together. John Hurt said something similar in an interview he did for the Walton Proms.

Jonathan

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I quite liked Tom Hiddlestone's less emphatic acting in Henry V's Agincourt monologue and his wooing scene had me melt on the sofa, but I guess it comes to personal taste. I agree the battle scene looked rather empty. Let's see what they come up with Henry VI and Richard now. If we look at it as fiction, as I hope more and more people are doing and will do, it' s masteriece with a first class actor in the title role, combine the two and it should really take an effort to achieve a bad result, I know nothing is impossible though.

Totally OT but my daughter just found the RSC poster to Charles Dance's Cor-I-olanus - now that was something! She's getting it framed. H

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Oh, nothing wrong with Tom Hiddleston's Henry. He's a fine actor and was a glorious Coriolanus recently. I just thought the production itself didn't quite hang together. John Hurt said something similar in an interview he did for the Walton Proms.

Jonathan

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I quite liked Tom Hiddlestone's less emphatic acting in Henry V's Agincourt monologue and his wooing scene had me melt on the sofa, but I guess it comes to personal taste. I agree the battle scene looked rather empty. Let's see what they come up with Henry VI and Richard now. If we look at it as fiction, as I hope more and more people are doing and will do, it' s masteriece with a first class actor in the title role, combine the two and it should really take an effort to achieve a bad result, I know nothing is impossible though.

ÿ I just hope that people will realise that it's fiction and not take it as gospel truth. We're finally beginning to make a breakthrough and people's attitudes to Richard are finally (albeit slowly) changing for the better. I sincerely hope that this won't be a setback. I can't see it happening but you never know! Do we know when it's going to be aired? Although, since it's only currently being filmed, I suspect spring at the earliest. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: Hilary Jones hjnatdat@... [] To: Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 1:12 PM Subject: RE: Benedict Cumberbatch

I agree about the earlier 'Hollow Crown' - brilliant. Shame they used Ben Wishaw as Richard II; I had him much more as the 'other Richard'. And I do think Cumberbatch is v good. It's drama and if it gives more people an interest that's fine. H

I didn't see that one, unfortunately (I saw Branagh at around the same time who, in the words of one reviewer, looked less like a Roman warrior than an estate agent at a fetish party), but I remember the RSC poster vividly. I love theatre posters. I've got a house full of them.

Jonathan

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Totally OT but my daughter just found the RSC poster to Charles Dance's Cor-I-olanus - now that was something! She's getting it framed. H

On Thursday, 25 September 2014, 18:38, "Jonathan Evans jmcevans98@... []" <> wrote:


  Oh, nothing wrong with Tom Hiddleston's Henry. He's a fine actor and was a glorious Coriolanus recently. I just thought the production itself didn't quite hang together. John Hurt said something similar in an interview he did for the Walton Proms.

Jonathan

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  I quite liked Tom Hiddlestone's less emphatic acting in Henry V's Agincourt monologue and his wooing scene had me melt on the sofa, but I guess it comes to personal taste. I agree the battle scene looked rather empty. Let's see what they come up with Henry VI and Richard now. If we look at it as fiction, as I hope more and more people are doing and will do, it' s masteriece with a first class actor in the title role, combine the two and it should really take an effort to achieve a bad result, I know nothing is impossible though.

I love the description......



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I didn't see that one, unfortunately (I saw Branagh at around the same time who, in the words of one reviewer, looked less like a Roman warrior than an estate agent at a fetish party), but I remember the RSC poster vividly. I love theatre posters. I've got a house full of them.

Jonathan

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Totally OT but my daughter just found the RSC poster to Charles Dance's Cor-I-olanus - now that was something! She's getting it framed. H

On Thursday, 25 September 2014, 18:38, "Jonathan Evans jmcevans98@... []" <> wrote:


Oh, nothing wrong with Tom Hiddleston's Henry. He's a fine actor and was a glorious Coriolanus recently. I just thought the production itself didn't quite hang together. John Hurt said something similar in an interview he did for the Walton Proms.

Jonathan

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I quite liked Tom Hiddlestone's less emphatic acting in Henry V's Agincourt monologue and his wooing scene had me melt on the sofa, but I guess it comes to personal taste. I agree the battle scene looked rather empty. Let's see what they come up with Henry VI and Richard now. If we look at it as fiction, as I hope more and more people are doing and will do, it' s masteriece with a first class actor in the title role, combine the two and it should really take an effort to achieve a bad result, I know nothing is impossible though.

Blond locks (can't say Tudor gold), bare chest, scar on cheek which doesn't of course disfigure - I'm talking about Dance, not Branagh:) :) H

On Thursday, 25 September 2014, 23:12, "Jonathan Evans jmcevans98@... []" <> wrote:


I didn't see that one, unfortunately (I saw Branagh at around the same time who, in the words of one reviewer, looked less like a Roman warrior than an estate agent at a fetish party), but I remember the RSC poster vividly. I love theatre posters. I've got a house full of them.

Jonathan

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Totally OT but my daughter just found the RSC poster to Charles Dance's Cor-I-olanus - now that was something! She's getting it framed. H

On Thursday, 25 September 2014, 18:38, "Jonathan Evans jmcevans98@... []" <> wrote:


Oh, nothing wrong with Tom Hiddleston's Henry. He's a fine actor and was a glorious Coriolanus recently. I just thought the production itself didn't quite hang together. John Hurt said something similar in an interview he did for the Walton Proms.

Jonathan

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I quite liked Tom Hiddlestone's less emphatic acting in Henry V's Agincourt monologue and his wooing scene had me melt on the sofa, but I guess it comes to personal taste. I agree the battle scene looked rather empty. Let's see what they come up with Henry VI and Richard now. If we look at it as fiction, as I hope more and more people are doing and will do, it' s masteriece with a first class actor in the title role, combine the two and it should really take an effort to achieve a bad result, I know nothing is impossible though.

Saw that production in Stratford and ran into Charles Dance in the street afterwards.
Paul

On 25/09/2014 18:42, Hilary Jones hjnatdat@... [] wrote:
Totally OT but my daughter just found the RSC poster to Charles Dance's Cor-I-olanus - now that was something! She's getting it framed. H

On Thursday, 25 September 2014, 18:38, "Jonathan Evans jmcevans98@... []" <> wrote:


  Oh, nothing wrong with Tom Hiddleston's Henry. He's a fine actor and was a glorious Coriolanus recently. I just thought the production itself didn't quite hang together. John Hurt said something similar in an interview he did for the Walton Proms.

Jonathan

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  I quite liked Tom Hiddlestone's less emphatic acting in Henry V's Agincourt monologue and his wooing scene had me melt on the sofa, but I guess it comes to personal taste. I agree the battle scene looked rather empty. Let's see what they come up with Henry VI and Richard now. If we look at it as fiction, as I hope more and more people are doing and will do, it' s masteriece with a first class actor in the title role, combine the two and it should really take an effort to achieve a bad result, I know nothing is impossible though.

Wow! That's the beauty of Stratford, it's so small it's quite easy to spot 'stars' going to and from the theatre(s). Did he say anything? The wife of someone I worked with went to school with him in Plymouth. I thought he was surprisingly good in it. H

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Saw that production in Stratford and ran into Charles Dance in the street afterwards.
Paul

On 25/09/2014 18:42, Hilary Jones hjnatdat@... [] wrote:
Totally OT but my daughter just found the RSC poster to Charles Dance's Cor-I-olanus - now that was something! She's getting it framed. H

On Thursday, 25 September 2014, 18:38, "Jonathan Evans jmcevans98@... []" mailto: wrote:


Oh, nothing wrong with Tom Hiddleston's Henry. He's a fine actor and was a glorious Coriolanus recently. I just thought the production itself didn't quite hang together. John Hurt said something similar in an interview he did for the Walton Proms.

Jonathan

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I quite liked Tom Hiddlestone's less emphatic acting in Henry V's Agincourt monologue and his wooing scene had me melt on the sofa, but I guess it comes to personal taste. I agree the battle scene looked rather empty. Let's see what they come up with Henry VI and Richard now. If we look at it as fiction, as I hope more and more people are doing and will do, it' s masteriece with a first class actor in the title role, combine the two and it should really take an effort to achieve a bad result, I know nothing is impossible though.

Just told him that I'd liked the production. he mumbled thanks and strode away.
Unlike Kenneth Branagh who sat down on the wall and chatted with me for 20 minutes after a performance of Henry V, or Ralph Fiennes after King Lear [in which he played Edgar].
If you go in the Dirty Duck pub they nearly all go in there after the performance. Food's good there too!
Paul




On 27/09/2014 09:43, Hilary Jones hjnatdat@... [] wrote:
Wow! That's the beauty of Stratford, it's so small it's quite easy to spot 'stars' going to and from the theatre(s). Did he say anything? The wife of someone I worked with went to school with him in Plymouth. I thought he was surprisingly good in it.  H  

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  Saw that production in Stratford and ran into Charles Dance in the street afterwards.
Paul

On 25/09/2014 18:42, Hilary Jones hjnatdat@... [] wrote:
Totally OT but my daughter just found the RSC poster to Charles Dance's Cor-I-olanus - now that was something! She's getting it framed. H

On Thursday, 25 September 2014, 18:38, "Jonathan Evans jmcevans98@... []" mailto: wrote:


  Oh, nothing wrong with Tom Hiddleston's Henry. He's a fine actor and was a glorious Coriolanus recently. I just thought the production itself didn't quite hang together. John Hurt said something similar in an interview he did for the Walton Proms.

Jonathan

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  I quite liked Tom Hiddlestone's less emphatic acting in Henry V's Agincourt monologue and his wooing scene had me melt on the sofa, but I guess it comes to personal taste. I agree the battle scene looked rather empty. Let's see what they come up with Henry VI and Richard now. If we look at it as fiction, as I hope more and more people are doing and will do, it' s masteriece with a first class actor in the title role, combine the two and it should really take an effort to achieve a bad result, I know nothing is impossible though.