OF BLOOD AND ROSES
OF BLOOD AND ROSES
2004-11-06 07:52:08
Information on Forthcoming Work presented for your amusement:
Book Deal: Anne Easter Smith's OF BLOOD AND ROSES, an historical
novel set in 15th century England that tells the story of fictional
Kate Haute's love affair with King Richard III and presents the
possible backgrounds for his real life bastard children and an
explanation for the disappearance of the princes from the Tower of
London.
Ann:
[I suppose a mad fling with a fictional Kate Haute would permanently
alienate Richard from any connection with Woodvilles (to whom the
historical Hautes were related). Probably will fit on the shelf next
to the Psychic Connection with Richard work.]
L.P.H.,
Ann
Book Deal: Anne Easter Smith's OF BLOOD AND ROSES, an historical
novel set in 15th century England that tells the story of fictional
Kate Haute's love affair with King Richard III and presents the
possible backgrounds for his real life bastard children and an
explanation for the disappearance of the princes from the Tower of
London.
Ann:
[I suppose a mad fling with a fictional Kate Haute would permanently
alienate Richard from any connection with Woodvilles (to whom the
historical Hautes were related). Probably will fit on the shelf next
to the Psychic Connection with Richard work.]
L.P.H.,
Ann
Re: OF BLOOD AND ROSES
2004-11-06 15:20:25
--- In , "Ann Sharp"
<axsc@p...> wrote:
>
> Information on Forthcoming Work presented for your amusement:
>
> Book Deal: Anne Easter Smith's OF BLOOD AND ROSES, an historical
> novel set in 15th century England that tells the story of fictional
> Kate Haute's love affair with King Richard III and presents the
> possible backgrounds for his real life bastard children and an
> explanation for the disappearance of the princes from the Tower of
> London.
>
>
SWell. I'll give the author a lot of credit for doing enough research
(which is quite a lot for the usual writer of romantic fiction) to
learn about Katherine Haute and not simply make up some fetchingly-
named damsel for Richard to tryst with. (I once read a book in which
said damsel was named Alouette, which I believe means "turkey"....)
The author of a book rarely writes the cover blurb or the advertising
copy, which could explain why the very real Kate Haute is called
fictional
Katy
<axsc@p...> wrote:
>
> Information on Forthcoming Work presented for your amusement:
>
> Book Deal: Anne Easter Smith's OF BLOOD AND ROSES, an historical
> novel set in 15th century England that tells the story of fictional
> Kate Haute's love affair with King Richard III and presents the
> possible backgrounds for his real life bastard children and an
> explanation for the disappearance of the princes from the Tower of
> London.
>
>
SWell. I'll give the author a lot of credit for doing enough research
(which is quite a lot for the usual writer of romantic fiction) to
learn about Katherine Haute and not simply make up some fetchingly-
named damsel for Richard to tryst with. (I once read a book in which
said damsel was named Alouette, which I believe means "turkey"....)
The author of a book rarely writes the cover blurb or the advertising
copy, which could explain why the very real Kate Haute is called
fictional
Katy
Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Re: OF BLOOD AND ROSES
2004-11-06 18:06:49
Blush! In order to write a Ricardian novel I invented a bastrd son of Warwick the Kingmaker to be a friend of Richard's from boyhood!
'Alouette' sounds rather pleasant - I like the idea of it meanin turkey (it is rather like meeting someone called Candida and knowing that it means a rather unpleasant female affliction.
At least the fictitious Bastard of Warwick bears the plain unfanciful name of Thomas.
Ann
>
SWell. I'll give the author a lot of credit for doing enough research
(which is quite a lot for the usual writer of romantic fiction) to
learn about Katherine Haute and not simply make up some fetchingly-
named damsel for Richard to tryst with. (I once read a book in which
said damsel was named Alouette, which I believe means "turkey"....)
Katy
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'Alouette' sounds rather pleasant - I like the idea of it meanin turkey (it is rather like meeting someone called Candida and knowing that it means a rather unpleasant female affliction.
At least the fictitious Bastard of Warwick bears the plain unfanciful name of Thomas.
Ann
>
SWell. I'll give the author a lot of credit for doing enough research
(which is quite a lot for the usual writer of romantic fiction) to
learn about Katherine Haute and not simply make up some fetchingly-
named damsel for Richard to tryst with. (I once read a book in which
said damsel was named Alouette, which I believe means "turkey"....)
Katy
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Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Re: OF BLOOD AND ROSES
2004-11-06 22:18:20
>My goodness, if she wasn't fictional, I agree with all the comments
>about the author doing serious research. I thought I was reasonably
>well-read on Richard, and I hadn't heard of her. Anne Haute, if
>memory serves, was engaged to John Paston; I wonder whether Katherine
>was related to her, and precisely how.
I believe it was no less a scholar than Dr Rosemary Horrox who "discovered" Katherine and Richard's annuity to her. (The fact that Richard's daughter was called Katherine is a further piece of suggestive but not conclusive evidence.)
I have tried very hard to find out who exactly this Katherine Haute was, but I have failed. She was definitely not Anne Haute's sister - the said Anne was, if I recall rightly, the daughter of Elizabeth's paternal aunt.
All the best,
Brian
>about the author doing serious research. I thought I was reasonably
>well-read on Richard, and I hadn't heard of her. Anne Haute, if
>memory serves, was engaged to John Paston; I wonder whether Katherine
>was related to her, and precisely how.
I believe it was no less a scholar than Dr Rosemary Horrox who "discovered" Katherine and Richard's annuity to her. (The fact that Richard's daughter was called Katherine is a further piece of suggestive but not conclusive evidence.)
I have tried very hard to find out who exactly this Katherine Haute was, but I have failed. She was definitely not Anne Haute's sister - the said Anne was, if I recall rightly, the daughter of Elizabeth's paternal aunt.
All the best,
Brian
Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Re: OF BLOOD AND ROSES
2004-11-06 23:56:46
'Alouette' sounds rather pleasant - I like the idea of it meanin turkey
(it is rather like meeting someone called Candida and knowing that it
means a rather unpleasant female affliction.
At least the fictitious Bastard of Warwick bears the plain unfanciful
name of Thomas.
Anne
Hi all: it actually means "lark", and you can get more acquainted with
the poor thing in the song "Gentile Alouette, jet te plumerais le nez."
(I'll pluck out your nose, and other body parts as the song proceeds).
As for "Blood and Roses" itself, the author, if I'm not mistaken, is our
very own Anne Smith, who has researched and labored over the novel for a
number of years, and I'm very much looking forward to reading it -
congrats, Anne!
Maria
elena@...
(it is rather like meeting someone called Candida and knowing that it
means a rather unpleasant female affliction.
At least the fictitious Bastard of Warwick bears the plain unfanciful
name of Thomas.
Anne
Hi all: it actually means "lark", and you can get more acquainted with
the poor thing in the song "Gentile Alouette, jet te plumerais le nez."
(I'll pluck out your nose, and other body parts as the song proceeds).
As for "Blood and Roses" itself, the author, if I'm not mistaken, is our
very own Anne Smith, who has researched and labored over the novel for a
number of years, and I'm very much looking forward to reading it -
congrats, Anne!
Maria
elena@...
Re: OF BLOOD AND ROSES
2004-11-07 00:10:16
--- In , "Brian Wainwright"
<Brian@g...> wrote:
>
> >My goodness, if she wasn't fictional, I agree with all the comments
> >about the author doing serious research. I thought I was
reasonably
> >well-read on Richard, and I hadn't heard of her. Anne Haute, if
> >memory serves, was engaged to John Paston; I wonder whether
Katherine
> >was related to her, and precisely how.
>
> I believe it was no less a scholar than Dr Rosemary Horrox who
"discovered" Katherine and Richard's annuity to her. (The fact that
Richard's daughter was called Katherine is a further piece of
suggestive but not conclusive evidence.)
>
> I have tried very hard to find out who exactly this Katherine Haute
was, but I have failed. She was definitely not Anne Haute's sister -
the said Anne was, if I recall rightly, the daughter of Elizabeth's
paternal aunt.
>
> All the best,
> Brian
>
>
Hello. This is my first posting on this site, but I have been
browsing for some time.
I had read about Katherine Haute, and I wonder what relation she was
to the Haute of Grey, Vaughn, Rivers and Haute, who were executed as a
result of trying to get Edward V to London before Richard. Most
versions say definitely that Grey, Vaughn and Rivers were executed,
but Haute is sometimes not mentioned. Was he executed? If so, could
it be that Richard executed his child's grandfather?
I assume he was one of the Hautes of Ightham Mote, who were friends of
Edward IV, who frequently stayed at the house. I hadn't realised they
were related to the Woodvilles. I suppose that relationship would
have given Richard the opportunity of meeting her at court. Is the
identity of John's mother known?
[Non-text portions of this message
<Brian@g...> wrote:
>
> >My goodness, if she wasn't fictional, I agree with all the comments
> >about the author doing serious research. I thought I was
reasonably
> >well-read on Richard, and I hadn't heard of her. Anne Haute, if
> >memory serves, was engaged to John Paston; I wonder whether
Katherine
> >was related to her, and precisely how.
>
> I believe it was no less a scholar than Dr Rosemary Horrox who
"discovered" Katherine and Richard's annuity to her. (The fact that
Richard's daughter was called Katherine is a further piece of
suggestive but not conclusive evidence.)
>
> I have tried very hard to find out who exactly this Katherine Haute
was, but I have failed. She was definitely not Anne Haute's sister -
the said Anne was, if I recall rightly, the daughter of Elizabeth's
paternal aunt.
>
> All the best,
> Brian
>
>
Hello. This is my first posting on this site, but I have been
browsing for some time.
I had read about Katherine Haute, and I wonder what relation she was
to the Haute of Grey, Vaughn, Rivers and Haute, who were executed as a
result of trying to get Edward V to London before Richard. Most
versions say definitely that Grey, Vaughn and Rivers were executed,
but Haute is sometimes not mentioned. Was he executed? If so, could
it be that Richard executed his child's grandfather?
I assume he was one of the Hautes of Ightham Mote, who were friends of
Edward IV, who frequently stayed at the house. I hadn't realised they
were related to the Woodvilles. I suppose that relationship would
have given Richard the opportunity of meeting her at court. Is the
identity of John's mother known?
[Non-text portions of this message
Re: OF BLOOD AND ROSES
2004-11-07 01:15:28
--- In , "dixonian2004"
<dixonian2004@y...> wrote:
> Hello. This is my first posting on this site, but I have been
> browsing for some time.
>
> I had read about Katherine Haute, and I wonder what relation she
was
> to the Haute of Grey, Vaughn, Rivers and Haute, who were executed
as a
> result of trying to get Edward V to London before Richard. Most
> versions say definitely that Grey, Vaughn and Rivers were executed,
> but Haute is sometimes not mentioned. Was he executed? If so,
could
> it be that Richard executed his child's grandfather?
>
> I assume he was one of the Hautes of Ightham Mote, who were friends
of
> Edward IV, who frequently stayed at the house. I hadn't realised
they
> were related to the Woodvilles. I suppose that relationship would
> have given Richard the opportunity of meeting her at court. Is the
> identity of John's mother known?
>
>
Very interesting questions that had not occurred to me. Early on, I
decided that there must be two unwritten stipulations regarding our
favorite time and place: Everyone is related to everyone, often in
multiple ways; and everyone has the same name. I still haven't
gotten over Isabel Despenser and he two husbands, Richard Beauchamp
and Richard Beauchamp, or John Paston and his sons, John and John.
(Barbara Tuchman, no less, discovered that there were two different
knights, living in the same time and moving in the same circles,
named Engerraud de Coucy...she said in the foreword of A Distant
Mirror that she wasted a year and a half or research following the
life of the "wrong" one, the one who did not figure in her narrative.)
And it wasn't limited to the Middle Ages...my geneologist aunt
discovered a 18th century ancestor of ours who had five soms who
lived to adulthood...all with the sole given name Robert.
Katy
Katy
<dixonian2004@y...> wrote:
> Hello. This is my first posting on this site, but I have been
> browsing for some time.
>
> I had read about Katherine Haute, and I wonder what relation she
was
> to the Haute of Grey, Vaughn, Rivers and Haute, who were executed
as a
> result of trying to get Edward V to London before Richard. Most
> versions say definitely that Grey, Vaughn and Rivers were executed,
> but Haute is sometimes not mentioned. Was he executed? If so,
could
> it be that Richard executed his child's grandfather?
>
> I assume he was one of the Hautes of Ightham Mote, who were friends
of
> Edward IV, who frequently stayed at the house. I hadn't realised
they
> were related to the Woodvilles. I suppose that relationship would
> have given Richard the opportunity of meeting her at court. Is the
> identity of John's mother known?
>
>
Very interesting questions that had not occurred to me. Early on, I
decided that there must be two unwritten stipulations regarding our
favorite time and place: Everyone is related to everyone, often in
multiple ways; and everyone has the same name. I still haven't
gotten over Isabel Despenser and he two husbands, Richard Beauchamp
and Richard Beauchamp, or John Paston and his sons, John and John.
(Barbara Tuchman, no less, discovered that there were two different
knights, living in the same time and moving in the same circles,
named Engerraud de Coucy...she said in the foreword of A Distant
Mirror that she wasted a year and a half or research following the
life of the "wrong" one, the one who did not figure in her narrative.)
And it wasn't limited to the Middle Ages...my geneologist aunt
discovered a 18th century ancestor of ours who had five soms who
lived to adulthood...all with the sole given name Robert.
Katy
Katy
[Richard III Society Forum] Re: OF BLOOD AND ROSES
2004-11-07 01:19:56
--- In , Maria T
<ejbronte@o...> wrote:
> 'Alouette' sounds rather pleasant - I like the idea of it meanin
turkey
>
> Hi all: it actually means "lark", and you can get more acquainted
with
> the poor thing in the song "Gentile Alouette, jet te plumerais le
nez."
> (I'll pluck out your nose, and other body parts as the song
proceeds).
>
I don't know enough French to order off a menu, and my daughter told
me that "Gentil Alouette" was about plucking a turkey when she took
high school French. (Now I think I should check her old report cards
and she was grade she got.) I rather wish alouette did mean
turkey...I can live with the idea of plucking a turkey, but a poor
defenseless lovely lark...?
Katy
<ejbronte@o...> wrote:
> 'Alouette' sounds rather pleasant - I like the idea of it meanin
turkey
>
> Hi all: it actually means "lark", and you can get more acquainted
with
> the poor thing in the song "Gentile Alouette, jet te plumerais le
nez."
> (I'll pluck out your nose, and other body parts as the song
proceeds).
>
I don't know enough French to order off a menu, and my daughter told
me that "Gentil Alouette" was about plucking a turkey when she took
high school French. (Now I think I should check her old report cards
and she was grade she got.) I rather wish alouette did mean
turkey...I can live with the idea of plucking a turkey, but a poor
defenseless lovely lark...?
Katy
[Richard III Society Forum] Re: OF BLOOD AND ROSES
2004-11-07 09:49:34
--- In , oregonkaty
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In , Maria T
> <ejbronte@o...> wrote:
> > 'Alouette' sounds rather pleasant - I like the idea of it meanin
> turkey
> >
> > Hi all: it actually means "lark", and you can get more
acquainted
> with
> > the poor thing in the song "Gentile Alouette, jet te plumerais
le
> nez."
> > (I'll pluck out your nose, and other body parts as the song
> proceeds).
> >
>
> I don't know enough French to order off a menu, and my daughter
told
> me that "Gentil Alouette" was about plucking a turkey when she
took
> high school French. (Now I think I should check her old report
cards
> and she was grade she got.) I rather wish alouette did mean
> turkey...I can live with the idea of plucking a turkey, but a poor
> defenseless lovely lark...?
>
> Katy
It definitely means lark, not turkey, since, in any case, turkey
is "dindon". I agree, it's a rather unplesant song when translated
whereas when one sang it at school it always seemed so jolly! The
French and Iralians have a long tradition, however, of catching and
eating tiny birds which we don't eat here.
B
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In , Maria T
> <ejbronte@o...> wrote:
> > 'Alouette' sounds rather pleasant - I like the idea of it meanin
> turkey
> >
> > Hi all: it actually means "lark", and you can get more
acquainted
> with
> > the poor thing in the song "Gentile Alouette, jet te plumerais
le
> nez."
> > (I'll pluck out your nose, and other body parts as the song
> proceeds).
> >
>
> I don't know enough French to order off a menu, and my daughter
told
> me that "Gentil Alouette" was about plucking a turkey when she
took
> high school French. (Now I think I should check her old report
cards
> and she was grade she got.) I rather wish alouette did mean
> turkey...I can live with the idea of plucking a turkey, but a poor
> defenseless lovely lark...?
>
> Katy
It definitely means lark, not turkey, since, in any case, turkey
is "dindon". I agree, it's a rather unplesant song when translated
whereas when one sang it at school it always seemed so jolly! The
French and Iralians have a long tradition, however, of catching and
eating tiny birds which we don't eat here.
B
Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Re: OF BLOOD AND ROSES
2004-11-09 11:03:32
Alouette in fact means lark. Dinde is turkey: less attractive as a girl's
name n'est pas?!
>From: oregonkaty <[email protected]>
>Reply-To:
>To:
>Subject: Re: OF BLOOD AND ROSES
>Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:19:49 -0000
>
>
>--- In , "Ann Sharp"
><axsc@p...> wrote:
> >
> > Information on Forthcoming Work presented for your amusement:
> >
> > Book Deal: Anne Easter Smith's OF BLOOD AND ROSES, an historical
> > novel set in 15th century England that tells the story of fictional
> > Kate Haute's love affair with King Richard III and presents the
> > possible backgrounds for his real life bastard children and an
> > explanation for the disappearance of the princes from the Tower of
> > London.
> >
>
> >
>SWell. I'll give the author a lot of credit for doing enough research
>(which is quite a lot for the usual writer of romantic fiction) to
>learn about Katherine Haute and not simply make up some fetchingly-
>named damsel for Richard to tryst with. (I once read a book in which
>said damsel was named Alouette, which I believe means "turkey"....)
>
>The author of a book rarely writes the cover blurb or the advertising
>copy, which could explain why the very real Kate Haute is called
>fictional
>
>Katy
>
>
>
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name n'est pas?!
>From: oregonkaty <[email protected]>
>Reply-To:
>To:
>Subject: Re: OF BLOOD AND ROSES
>Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 15:19:49 -0000
>
>
>--- In , "Ann Sharp"
><axsc@p...> wrote:
> >
> > Information on Forthcoming Work presented for your amusement:
> >
> > Book Deal: Anne Easter Smith's OF BLOOD AND ROSES, an historical
> > novel set in 15th century England that tells the story of fictional
> > Kate Haute's love affair with King Richard III and presents the
> > possible backgrounds for his real life bastard children and an
> > explanation for the disappearance of the princes from the Tower of
> > London.
> >
>
> >
>SWell. I'll give the author a lot of credit for doing enough research
>(which is quite a lot for the usual writer of romantic fiction) to
>learn about Katherine Haute and not simply make up some fetchingly-
>named damsel for Richard to tryst with. (I once read a book in which
>said damsel was named Alouette, which I believe means "turkey"....)
>
>The author of a book rarely writes the cover blurb or the advertising
>copy, which could explain why the very real Kate Haute is called
>fictional
>
>Katy
>
>
>
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