[Richard III Society Forum] Same old...

On cover of new bio of Richard the screaming headline "The truth about the hunchback king!"on new book about WOTR & rise of Tudors.." how Richard III stole the throne from his nephew".
Seems we still have a long way to go.
Paul
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Marie said: "I assume you've moved beyond the question of the mismatch between RIII's Y chromosome and those of the 5 modern-day Beauforts because paternity of Henry's mother would not be relevant to this chain, nor would the paternity of Henry Tudor, nor would the paternity of Edward IV. Of all the possible breaks in the chain, however, that between York and RIII seems the least likely as the resemblance between the two was supposedly quite marked and there were absolutely no rumours that Cecily had been engaged in an affair at that time."

I've been trying to get a handle on all this, but now you have me thoroughly confused. :)
The paternity of Henry's mother shouldn't matter, but wouldn't a false paternity event at Edward III (1/19 chance) producing an illegitimate John of Gaunt (loss of Richard III's G2 y-DNA) also knock out Henry's IV,V and VI for succession?
The paternity of HenryTudor shouldn't matter as his claim runs through Margaret Beaufort, legitimized yet barred from succession. However, a false paternal event at John of Gaunt (1/19) producing an illegitimate John Beaufort (introduction of R1b y-DNA) would also knock out her line. Henry VII's crown, achieved from right of conquest but legitimized through his marriage to Elizabeth of York, Edward IV's daughter, would also lose c redence if Edward's paternity was in question (or the 3 generations above him 4/19). Maternal illegitimacy at John Beaufort (although an illegitimate son John, Duke of Sommerset, knocks Margaret out yet again) and generations below has no further bearing, accounting for the remaining 13/19 chances of y-DNA replacement.
I believe I covered the 19 generations in question and am now even more confused. Did I get at least some of it right?

It certainly seems so, Paul. But we will prevail.

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Subject: Same old...

On cover of new bio of Richard the screaming headline "The truth about the hunchback king!"on new book about WOTR & rise of Tudors.." how Richard III stole the throne from his nephew".
Seems we still have a long way to go.
Paul
Sent from my HTC

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Subject: Re: New paper published
Date: Fri, Dec 12, 2014 1:22 AM


Marie said: "I assume you've moved beyond the question of the mismatch between RIII's Y chromosome and those of the 5 modern-day Beauforts because paternity of Henry's mother would not be relevant to this chain, nor would the paternity of Henry Tudor, nor would the paternity of Edward IV. Of all the possible breaks in the chain, however, that between York and RIII seems the least likely as the resemblance between the two was supposedly quite marked and there were absolutely no rumours that Cecily had been engaged in an affair at that time."

I've been trying to get a handle on all this, but now you have me thoroughly confused. :)
The paternity of Henry's mother shouldn't matter, but wouldn't a false paternity event at Edward III (1/19 chance) producing an illegitimate John of Gaunt (loss of Richard III's G2 y-DNA) also knock out Henry's IV,V and VI for succession?
The paternity of HenryTudor shouldn't matter as his claim runs through Margaret Beaufort, legitimized yet barred from succession. However, a false paternal event at John of Gaunt (1/19) producing an illegitimate John Beaufort (introduction of R1b y-DNA) would also knock out her line. Henry VII's crown, achieved from right of conquest but legitimized through his marriage to Elizabeth of York, Edward IV's daughter, would also lose c redence if Edward's paternity was in question (or the 3 generations above him 4/19). Maternal illegitimacy at John Beaufort (although an illegitimate son John, Duke of Sommerset, knocks Margaret out yet again) and generations below has no further bearing, accounting for the remaining 13/19 chances of y-DNA replacement.
I believe I covered the 19 generations in question and am now even more confused. Did I get at least some of it right?