Maybe the best way to get to the truth isn't by defending Richard

Maybe the best way to show people the truth isn't by defending Richard, which is a good cause in its own right, but by investigating Henry Stafford, the Duke of Buckingham, and Henry Tudor. Showing their real character and their actions, will do more to defend Richard than a defense of Richard.The dismissiveness of those who favor Leicester and the traditional history, including Prime Minister Cameron, depends on people knowing no more than that. Read Shakespeare's Richard III and you "know" the truth.

We need to show that Henry Stafford and Henry Tudor were playing each other, both only looking out for themselves, treachery for profit. A skill mastered by the Stanleys.

As long as you don't know the truth you'll believe the history books:

I'll give you an example, Billy the Kid. Pat Garrett was the Sheriff of Lincoln, New Mexico. He killed Billy in an ambush, then wrote Billy's biography(with the help of a ghost writer). He said that Billy killed 21 men by his 21st birthday. That is the story everyone knows. That fact alone makes him out to be incredibly evil. Not any truth in it. And the lies start with the first fact in his book, The Authentic Life of Billy, the Kid, The Noted Desperado of the Southwest

Pat's ghost writer said that Billy was born November 23, 1859. Funny thing that date was the birthday of Garrett's ghost writer, Sheriff Ash Upson. Almost all of Billy's friends said that Billy was born in 1861. Garrett said 1859, many historians believe so that he could say that Billy killed 21 men in his 21 years

Well, what is the truth? Billy McCarty never killed 21 people. He probably "only" killed nine. But that is where the story gets interesting.

The first was the village blacksmith in Bonita, Arizona, Billy was a sixteen-year-old, 125 lb. orphan. The town blacksmith, Windy Cahill, was the town bully at over six feet and 200+ lbs. He was the strongest man in town. He didn't like "the kid" from the beginning and would beat the hell out of him every chance he got using any pretext. At some point Billy saved his money and bought himself an equalizer. We won't know what made this time different, probably calling Billy a "son-of-a-bitch" was the last straw. Billy was Irish and loved his late mother. After a few minutes of getting beaten, Billy was able to work his hand free and grabbed his gun and shot Windy dead.

Everyone says that Billy practiced shooting all the time, he would forego buying food to buy bullets. He got to be so good that people said he was a dead shot, with lightening reaction time. Only a fool would challenge him. Which brings up the second shooting, a drunken cowboy said that he was going to kill Billy the Kid. Unfortunately 17-year-old Billy was in the bar when he said it. Billy tried to discourage the guy. All the witnesses agreed, Billy didn't want to hurt the guy, unfortunately the situation spun out of control. When you go looking for trouble, you usually find it. The drunk pulled his gun and Billy, like Wild Bill Hickok, was 100 times faster.

How many people know that Billy McCarty was actually a legally deputized officer of the law. The Sheriff of Lincoln, New Mexico murdered Billy's employer and friend John Tunstall. The local Justice of the Peace swore Billy and his fellow Tunstall ranch hands as officers of the law to arrest the sheriff. That is how the Lincoln County War started.

Billy would later say of John Tunstall, Tunstall was one of the only men that treated him like he was "free-born and white." Billy killed 5 of the 200 men who died during the Lincoln County War, but nobody wanted to get in a gun battle with Billy, because they knew that they would lose. Billy actually was one of the last men standing and initiated a peace agreement to end the "War". Then he was offered a pardon by the Governor if he would testify before the grand jury investigating the fighting. Billy turned himself in and testified. The Governor broke his word and Billy was tried and sentenced to death for shooting Sheriff Brady. Within two weeks of his hanging Billy escaped, shooting two deputies, one of whom had been one of the men who murdered John Tunstall in cold blood.

One western historian put it best, Billy had the fault of many young men and boys, he wasn't fighting for himself he was fighting for the dead, trying to give them peace and justice.

My only point is that almost no one knows the truth about Billy, that is why so easy to believe "history". But the truth is something quite different. And it makes Billy sound much better. We've all seen the picture of Billy while he was on the run in 1881, when "he was rode hard and put away wet". Well I have the story and picture of Billy when he was all cleaned up on my blog: Down the road less traveled..: The one thing Billy the Kid never got in life, was Justice

Down the road less traveled..: The one thing Billy the K... Billy the Kid was a good Kid Many People think that Billy was illiterate, they are 100% wrong. View on briankeithohara.blogs... Preview by Yahoo

That is so very interesting, and even four hundred years after Richard III, the "truth" is a very elusive thing.



On Jan 17, 2015, at 7:33 AM, bkohatl@... [] <> wrote:

Maybe the best way to show people the truth isn't by defending Richard, which is a good cause in its own right, but by investigating Henry Stafford, the Duke of Buckingham, and Henry Tudor. Showing their real character and their actions, will do more to defend Richard than a defense of Richard.The dismissiveness of those who favor Leicester and the traditional history, including Prime Minister Cameron, depends on people knowing no more than that. Read Shakespeare's Richard III and you "know" the truth.

We need to show that Henry Stafford and Henry Tudor were playing each other, both only looking out for themselves, treachery for profit. A skill mastered by the Stanleys.

As long as you don't know the truth you'll believe the history books:

I'll give you an example, Billy the Kid. Pat Garrett was the Sheriff of Lincoln, New Mexico. He killed Billy in an ambush, then wrote Billy's biography(with the help of a ghost writer). He said that Billy killed 21 men by his 21st birthday. That is the story everyone knows. That fact alone makes him out to be incredibly evil. Not any truth in it. And the lies start with the first fact in his book, The Authentic Life of Billy, the Kid, The Noted Desperado of the Southwest

Pat's ghost writer said that Billy was born November 23, 1859. Funny thing that date was the birthday of Garrett's ghost writer, Sheriff Ash Upson. Almost all of Billy's friends said that Billy was born in 1861. Garrett said 1859, many historians believe so that he could say that Billy killed 21 men in his 21 years

Well, what is the truth? Billy McCarty never killed 21 people. He probably "only" killed nine. But that is where the story gets interesting.

The first was the village blacksmith in Bonita, Arizona, Billy was a sixteen-year-old, 125 lb. orphan. The town blacksmith, Windy Cahill, was the town bully at over six feet and 200+ lbs. He was the strongest man in town. He didn't like "the kid" from the beginning and would beat the hell out of him every chance he got using any pretext. At some point Billy saved his money and bought himself an equalizer. We won't know what made this time different, probably calling Billy a "son-of-a-bitch" was the last straw. Billy was Irish and loved his late mother. After a few minutes of getting beaten, Billy was able to work his hand free and grabbed his gun and shot Windy dead.

Everyone says that Billy practiced shooting all the time, he would forego buying food to buy bullets. He got to be so good that people said he was a dead shot, with lightening reaction time. Only a fool would challenge him. Which brings up the second shooting, a drunken cowboy said that he was going to kill Billy the Kid. Unfortunately 17-year-old Billy was in the bar when he said it. Billy tried to discourage the guy. All the witnesses agreed, Billy didn't want to hurt the guy, unfortunately the situation spun out of control. When you go looking for trouble, you usually find it. The drunk pulled his gun and Billy, like Wild Bill Hickok, was 100 times faster.

How many people know that Billy McCarty was actually a legally deputized officer of the law. The Sheriff of Lincoln, New Mexico murdered Billy's employer and friend John Tunstall. The local Justice of the Peace swore Billy and his fellow Tunstall ranch hands as officers of the law to arrest the sheriff. That is how the Lincoln County War started.

Billy would later say of John Tunstall, Tunstall was one of the only men that treated him like he was "free-born and white." Billy killed 5 of the 200 men who died during the Lincoln County War, but nobody wanted to get in a gun battle with Billy, because they knew that they would lose. Billy actually was one of the last men standing and initiated a peace agreement to end the "War". Then he was offered a pardon by the Governor if he would testify before the grand jury investigating the fighting. Billy turned himself in and testified. The Governor broke his word and Billy was tried and sentenced to death for shooting Sheriff Brady. Within two weeks of his hanging Billy escaped, shooting two deputies, one of whom had been one of the men who murdered John Tunstall in cold blood.

One western historian put it best, Billy had the fault of many young men and boys, he wasn't fighting for himself he was fighting for the dead, trying to give them peace and justice.

My only point is that almost no one knows the truth about Billy, that is why so easy to believe "history". But the truth is something quite different. And it makes Billy sound much better. We've all seen the picture of Billy while he was on the run in 1881, when "he was rode hard and put away wet". Well I have the story and picture of Billy when he was all cleaned up on my blog: Down the road less traveled..: The one thing Billy the Kid never got in life, was Justice

Down the road less traveled..: The one thing Billy the K... Billy the Kid was a good Kid Many People think that Billy was illiterate, they are 100% wrong. View on briankeithohara.blogs... Preview by Yahoo

Famous phrases......
Truth is the Daughter of Time;

To the living we owe respect, to the dead only truth [Voltaire]

On 17/01/2015 15:03, Pamela Bain pbain@... [] wrote:
That is so very interesting, and even four hundred years after Richard III, the "truth" is a very elusive thing.



On Jan 17, 2015, at 7:33 AM, bkohatl@... [] <> wrote:

 

Maybe the best way to show people the truth isn't by defending Richard, which is a good cause in its own right, but by investigating Henry Stafford, the Duke of Buckingham, and Henry Tudor. Showing their real character and their actions, will do more to defend Richard than a defense of Richard.The dismissiveness of those who favor Leicester and the traditional history, including Prime Minister Cameron, depends on people knowing no more than that. Read Shakespeare's Richard III and you "know" the truth.

We need to show that Henry Stafford and Henry Tudor were playing each other, both only looking out for themselves, treachery for profit.  A skill mastered by the Stanleys.

As long as you don't know the truth you'll believe the history books:

I'll give you an example, Billy the Kid.  Pat Garrett was the Sheriff of Lincoln, New Mexico. He killed Billy in an ambush, then wrote Billy's biography(with the help of a ghost writer). He said that Billy killed 21 men by his 21st birthday. That is the story everyone knows. That fact alone makes him out to be incredibly evil. Not any truth in it. And the lies start with the first fact in his book, The Authentic Life of Billy, the Kid, The Noted Desperado of the Southwest

Pat's ghost writer said that Billy was born November 23, 1859. Funny thing that date was the birthday of Garrett's ghost writer, Sheriff Ash Upson. Almost all of Billy's friends said that Billy was born in 1861.  Garrett said 1859, many historians believe so that he could say that Billy killed 21 men in his 21 years

Well, what is the truth? Billy McCarty never killed 21 people. He probably "only" killed nine.  But that is where the story gets interesting.

The first was the village blacksmith in Bonita, Arizona, Billy was a sixteen-year-old, 125 lb. orphan. The town blacksmith, Windy Cahill, was the town bully at over six feet and 200+ lbs.  He was the strongest man in town. He didn't like "the kid"  from the beginning and would beat the hell out of him every chance he got using any pretext. At some point Billy saved his money and bought himself an equalizer. We won't know what made this time different, probably calling Billy a "son-of-a-bitch" was the last straw. Billy was Irish and loved his late mother. After a few minutes of getting beaten, Billy was able to work his hand free and grabbed his gun and shot Windy dead.

Everyone says that Billy practiced shooting all the time, he would forego buying  food to buy bullets. He got  to be so good that people said he was a dead shot, with lightening reaction time. Only a fool would challenge him. Which brings up the second shooting, a drunken cowboy said that he was going to kill Billy the Kid. Unfortunately 17-year-old Billy was in the bar when he said it. Billy tried to discourage the guy. All the witnesses agreed, Billy didn't want to hurt the guy, unfortunately the situation spun out of control. When you go looking for trouble, you usually find it. The drunk pulled his gun and Billy, like Wild Bill Hickok, was 100 times faster.

How many people know that Billy McCarty was actually a legally deputized officer of the law. The Sheriff of Lincoln, New Mexico murdered Billy's employer and friend John Tunstall. The local Justice of the Peace swore Billy and his fellow Tunstall ranch hands as officers of the law to arrest the sheriff. That is how the Lincoln County War started.

Billy would later say of John Tunstall,  Tunstall was one of the only men that treated him like he was "free-born and white."  Billy killed 5 of the 200 men who died during the Lincoln County War, but nobody wanted to get in a gun battle with Billy, because they knew that they would lose. Billy actually was one of the last men standing and initiated a peace agreement to end the "War". Then he was offered a pardon by the Governor if he would testify before the grand jury investigating the fighting. Billy turned himself in and testified. The Governor broke his word and Billy was tried and sentenced to death for shooting Sheriff Brady. Within two weeks of his hanging Billy escaped, shooting two deputies, one of whom had been one of the men who murdered John Tunstall in cold blood.

One western historian put it best, Billy had the fault of many young men and boys, he wasn't fighting for himself he was fighting for the dead, trying to give them peace and justice.

My only point is that almost no one knows the truth about Billy, that is why so easy to believe "history".  But the truth is something quite different. And it makes Billy sound much better. We've all seen the picture of Billy while he was on the run in 1881, when "he was rode hard and put away wet". Well I have the story and picture of Billy when he was all cleaned up on my blog: Down the road less traveled..: The one thing Billy the Kid never got in life, was Justice

Down the road less traveled..: The one thing Billy the K...     Billy the Kid was a good Kid  Many People think that Billy was illiterate, they are 100% wrong.
View on briankeithohara.blogs... Preview by Yahoo

 

I read that Voltaire is now a hit again. Along with copies of Charlie Hebdo, his books are flying off the shelves.

From: [mailto: ]
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:02 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Maybe the best way to get to thetruth isn't by defending Richard

Famous phrases......
Truth is the Daughter of Time ;

To the living we owe respect, to the dead only truth [Voltaire]

On 17/01/2015 15:03, Pamela Bain pbain@... [] wrote:

That is so very interesting, and even four hundred years after Richard III, the "truth" is a very elusive thing.

On Jan 17, 2015, at 7:33 AM, bkohatl@... [] <> wrote:

Maybe the best way to show people the truth isn't by defending Richard, which is a good cause in its own right, but by investigating Henry Stafford, the Duke of Buckingham, and Henry Tudor. Showing their real character and their actions, will do more to defend Richard than a defense of Richard.The dismissiveness of those who favor Leicester and the traditional history, including Prime Minister Cameron, depends on people knowing no more than that. Read Shakespeare's Richard III and you "know" the truth.

We need to show that Henry Stafford and Henry Tudor were playing each other, both only looking out for themselves, treachery for profit. A skill mastered by the Stanleys .

As long as you don't know the truth you'll believe the history books:

I'll give you an example, Billy the Kid. Pat Garrett was the Sheriff of Lincoln, New Mexico. He killed Billy in an ambush, then wrote Billy's biography(with the help of a ghost writer). He said that Billy killed 21 men by his 21st birthday. That is the story everyone knows. That fact alone makes him out to be incredibly evil. Not any truth in it. And the lies start with the first fact in his book, The Authentic Life of Billy, the Kid, The Noted Desperado of the Southwest

Pat's ghost writer said that Billy was born November 23, 1859. Funny thing that date was the birthday of Garrett's ghost writer, Sheriff Ash Upson. Almost all of Billy's friends said that Billy was born in 1861. Garrett said 1859, many historians believe so that he could say that Billy killed 21 men in his 21 years

Well, what is the truth? Billy McCarty never killed 21 people. He probably "only" killed nine. But that is where the story gets interesting.

The first was the village blacksmith in Bonita , Arizona , Billy was a sixteen-year-old, 125 lb. orphan. The town blacksmith, Windy Cahill, was the town bully at over six feet and 200+ lbs. He was the strongest man in town. He didn't like "the kid" from the beginning and would beat the hell out of him every chance he got using any pretext. At some point Billy saved his money and bought himself an equalizer. We won't know what made this time different, probably calling Billy a "son-of-a-bitch" was the last straw. Billy was Irish and loved his late mother. After a few minutes of getting beaten, Billy was able to work his hand free and grabbed his gun and shot Windy dead.

Everyone says that Billy practiced shooting all the time, he would forego buying food to buy bullets. He got to be so good that people said he was a dead shot, with lightening reaction time. Only a fool would challenge him. Which brings up the second shooting, a drunken cowboy said that he was going to kill Billy the Kid. Unfortunately 17-year-old Billy was in the bar when he said it. Billy tried to discourage the guy. All the witnesses agreed, Billy didn't want to hurt the guy, unfortunately the situation spun out of control. When you go looking for trouble, you usually find it. The drunk pulled his gun and Billy, like Wild Bill Hickok, was 100 times faster.

How many people know that Billy McCarty was actually a legally deputized officer of the law. The Sheriff of Lincoln, New Mexico murdered Billy's employer and friend John Tunstall. The local Justice of the Peace swore Billy and his fellow Tunstall ranch hands as officers of the law to arrest the sheriff. That is how the Lincoln County War started.

Billy would later say of John Tunstall, Tunstall was one of the only men that treated him like he was "free-born and white." Billy killed 5 of the 200 men who died during the Lincoln County War, but nobody wanted to get in a gun battle with Billy, because they knew that they would lose. Billy actually was one of the last men standing and initiated a peace agreement to end the "War". Then he was offered a pardon by the Governor if he would testify before the grand jury investigating the fighting. Billy turned himself in and testified. The Governor broke his word and Billy was tried and sentenced to death for shooting Sheriff Brady. Within two weeks of his hanging Billy escaped, shooting two deputies, one of whom had been one of the men who murdered John Tunstall in cold blood.

One western historian put it best, Billy had the fault of many young men and boys, he wasn't fighting for himself he was fighting for the dead, trying to give them peace and justice.

My only point is that almost no one knows the truth about Billy, that is why so easy to believe "history". But the truth is something quite different. And it makes Billy sound much better. We've all seen the picture of Billy while he was on the run in 1881, when "he was rode hard and put away wet". Well I have the story and picture of Billy when he was all cleaned up on my blog: Down the road less traveled..: The one thing Billy the Kid never got in life, was Justice

Down the road less traveled..: The one thing Billy the K...

Billy the Kid was a good Kid Many People think that Billy was illiterate, they are 100% wrong.

View on briankeithohara.blogs...

Preview by Yahoo

Well quoted, Paul. :-)
Judy Loyaulte me lie

On Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:01 PM, "Paul Trevor Bale bale475@... []" <> wrote:


Famous phrases......
Truth is the Daughter of Time;

To the living we owe respect, to the dead only truth [Voltaire]

On 17/01/2015 15:03, Pamela Bain pbain@... [] wrote:
That is so very interesting, and even four hundred years after Richard III, the "truth" is a very elusive thing.



On Jan 17, 2015, at 7:33 AM, bkohatl@... [] <> wrote:

Maybe the best way to show people the truth isn't by defending Richard, which is a good cause in its own right, but by investigating Henry Stafford, the Duke of Buckingham, and Henry Tudor. Showing their real character and their actions, will do more to defend Richard than a defense of Richard.The dismissiveness of those who favor Leicester and the traditional history, including Prime Minister Cameron, depends on people knowing no more than that. Read Shakespeare's Richard III and you "know" the truth. We need to show that Henry Stafford and Henry Tudor were playing each other, both only looking out for themselves, treachery for profit. A skill mastered by the Stanleys.
As long as you don't know the truth you'll believe the history books: I'll give you an example, Billy the Kid. Pat Garrett was the Sheriff of Lincoln, New Mexico. He killed Billy in an ambush, then wrote Billy's biography(with the help of a ghost writer). He said that Billy killed 21 men by his 21st birthday. That is the story everyone knows. That fact alone makes him out to be incredibly evil. Not any truth in it. And the lies start with the first fact in his book, The Authentic Life of Billy, the Kid, The Noted Desperado of the Southwest
Pat's ghost writer said that Billy was born November 23, 1859. Funny thing that date was the birthday of Garrett's ghost writer, Sheriff Ash Upson. Almost all of Billy's friends said that Billy was born in 1861. Garrett said 1859, many historians believe so that he could say that Billy killed 21 men in his 21 years Well, what is the truth? Billy McCarty never killed 21 people. He probably "only" killed nine. But that is where the story gets interesting.
The first was the village blacksmith in Bonita, Arizona, Billy was a sixteen-year-old, 125 lb. orphan. The town blacksmith, Windy Cahill, was the town bully at over six feet and 200+ lbs. He was the strongest man in town. He didn't like "the kid" from the beginning and would beat the hell out of him every chance he got using any pretext. At some point Billy saved his money and bought himself an equalizer. We won't know what made this time different, probably calling Billy a "son-of-a-bitch" was the last straw. Billy was Irish and loved his late mother. After a few minutes of getting beaten, Billy was able to work his hand free and grabbed his gun and shot Windy dead. Everyone says that Billy practiced shooting all the time, he would forego buying food to buy bullets. He got to be so good that people said he was a dead shot, with lightening reaction time. Only a fool would challenge him. Which brings up the second shooting, a drunken cowboy said that he was going to kill Billy the Kid. Unfortunately 17-year-old Billy was in the bar when he said it. Billy tried to discourage the guy. All the witnesses agreed, Billy didn't want to hurt the guy, unfortunately the situation spun out of control. When you go looking for trouble, you usually find it. The drunk pulled his gun and Billy, like Wild Bill Hickok, was 100 times faster.
How many people know that Billy McCarty was actually a legally deputized officer of the law. The Sheriff of Lincoln, New Mexico murdered Billy's employer and friend John Tunstall. The local Justice of the Peace swore Billy and his fellow Tunstall ranch hands as officers of the law to arrest the sheriff. That is how the Lincoln County War started. Billy would later say of John Tunstall, Tunstall was one of the only men that treated him like he was "free-born and white." Billy killed 5 of the 200 men who died during the Lincoln County War, but nobody wanted to get in a gun battle with Billy, because they knew that they would lose. Billy actually was one of the last men standing and initiated a peace agreement to end the "War". Then he was offered a pardon by the Governor if he would testify before the grand jury investigating the fighting. Billy turned himself in and testified. The Governor broke his word and Billy was tried and sentenced to death for shooting Sheriff Brady. Within two weeks of his hanging Billy escaped, shooting two deputies, one of whom had been one of the men who murdered John Tunstall in cold blood. One western historian put it best, Billy had the fault of many young men and boys, he wasn't fighting for himself he was fighting for the dead, trying to give them peace and justice.
My only point is that almost no one knows the truth about Billy, that is why so easy to believe "history". But the truth is something quite different. And it makes Billy sound much better. We've all seen the picture of Billy while he was on the run in 1881, when "he was rode hard and put away wet". Well I have the story and picture of Billy when he was all cleaned up on my blog: Down the road less traveled..: The one thing Billy the Kid never got in life, was Justice


Down the road less traveled..: The one thing Billy the K... Billy the Kid was a good Kid Many People think that Billy was illiterate, they are 100% wrong.
View on briankeithohara.blogs... Preview by Yahoo

Although it's my understanding, someone *other* than Voltaire, himself (like his Biographer, maybe?) actually made the very famous statement:
"I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it!"
Judy Loyaulte me lie

On Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:09 PM, "Pamela Bain pbain@... []" <> wrote:


I read that Voltaire is now a hit again. Along with copies of Charlie Hebdo, his books are flying off the shelves. From: [mailto: ]
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:02 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Maybe the best way to get to thetruth isn't by defending Richard Famous phrases......
Truth is the Daughter of Time ;

To the living we owe respect, to the dead only truth [Voltaire] On 17/01/2015 15:03, Pamela Bain pbain@... [] wrote: That is so very interesting, and even four hundred years after Richard III, the "truth" is a very elusive thing.


On Jan 17, 2015, at 7:33 AM, bkohatl@... [] <> wrote: Maybe the best way to show people the truth isn't by defending Richard, which is a good cause in its own right, but by investigating Henry Stafford, the Duke of Buckingham, and Henry Tudor. Showing their real character and their actions, will do more to defend Richard than a defense of Richard.The dismissiveness of those who favor Leicester and the traditional history, including Prime Minister Cameron, depends on people knowing no more than that. Read Shakespeare's Richard III and you "know" the truth. We need to show that Henry Stafford and Henry Tudor were playing each other, both only looking out for themselves, treachery for profit. A skill mastered by the Stanleys . As long as you don't know the truth you'll believe the history books: I'll give you an example, Billy the Kid. Pat Garrett was the Sheriff of Lincoln, New Mexico. He killed Billy in an ambush, then wrote Billy's biography(with the help of a ghost writer). He said that Billy killed 21 men by his 21st birthday. That is the story everyone knows. That fact alone makes him out to be incredibly evil. Not any truth in it. And the lies start with the first fact in his book, The Authentic Life of Billy, the Kid, The Noted Desperado of the Southwest Pat's ghost writer said that Billy was born November 23, 1859. Funny thing that date was the birthday of Garrett's ghost writer, Sheriff Ash Upson. Almost all of Billy's friends said that Billy was born in 1861. Garrett said 1859, many historians believe so that he could say that Billy killed 21 men in his 21 years Well, what is the truth? Billy McCarty never killed 21 people. He probably "only" killed nine. But that is where the story gets interesting. The first was the village blacksmith in Bonita , Arizona , Billy was a sixteen-year-old, 125 lb. orphan. The town blacksmith, Windy Cahill, was the town bully at over six feet and 200+ lbs. He was the strongest man in town. He didn't like "the kid" from the beginning and would beat the hell out of him every chance he got using any pretext. At some point Billy saved his money and bought himself an equalizer. We won't know what made this time different, probably calling Billy a "son-of-a-bitch" was the last straw. Billy was Irish and loved his late mother. After a few minutes of getting beaten, Billy was able to work his hand free and grabbed his gun and shot Windy dead. Everyone says that Billy practiced shooting all the time, he would forego buying food to buy bullets. He got to be so good that people said he was a dead shot, with lightening reaction time. Only a fool would challenge him. Which brings up the second shooting, a drunken cowboy said that he was going to kill Billy the Kid. Unfortunately 17-year-old Billy was in the bar when he said it. Billy tried to discourage the guy. All the witnesses agreed, Billy didn't want to hurt the guy, unfortunately the situation spun out of control. When you go looking for trouble, you usually find it. The drunk pulled his gun and Billy, like Wild Bill Hickok, was 100 times faster. How many people know that Billy McCarty was actually a legally deputized officer of the law. The Sheriff of Lincoln, New Mexico murdered Billy's employer and friend John Tunstall. The local Justice of the Peace swore Billy and his fellow Tunstall ranch hands as officers of the law to arrest the sheriff. That is how the Lincoln County War started. Billy would later say of John Tunstall, Tunstall was one of the only men that treated him like he was "free-born and white." Billy killed 5 of the 200 men who died during the Lincoln County War, but nobody wanted to get in a gun battle with Billy, because they knew that they would lose. Billy actually was one of the last men standing and initiated a peace agreement to end the "War". Then he was offered a pardon by the Governor if he would testify before the grand jury investigating the fighting. Billy turned himself in and testified. The Governor broke his word and Billy was tried and sentenced to death for shooting Sheriff Brady. Within two weeks of his hanging Billy escaped, shooting two deputies, one of whom had been one of the men who murdered John Tunstall in cold blood. One western historian put it best, Billy had the fault of many young men and boys, he wasn't fighting for himself he was fighting for the dead, trying to give them peace and justice. My only point is that almost no one knows the truth about Billy, that is why so easy to believe "history". But the truth is something quite different. And it makes Billy sound much better. We've all seen the picture of Billy while he was on the run in 1881, when "he was rode hard and put away wet". Well I have the story and picture of Billy when he was all cleaned up on my blog: Down the road less traveled..: The one thing Billy the Kid never got in life, was Justice Down the road less traveled..: The one thing Billy the K... Billy the Kid was a good Kid Many People think that Billy was illiterate, they are 100% wrong. View on briankeithohara.blogs... Preview by Yahoo

And very interesting about Billy the Kid.
I totally agree that no one has thoroughly explored Henry Stafford.
To combine both these subjects, metaphorically, we just might find a "smoking gun" that's been there all along, but gone unnoticed until...? A project for Somebody.
Judy Loyaulte me lie



On Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:21 PM, Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:


Although it's my understanding, someone *other* than Voltaire, himself (like his Biographer, maybe?) actually made the very famous statement:
"I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it!"
Judy Loyaulte me lie

On Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:09 PM, "Pamela Bain pbain@... []" <> wrote:


I read that Voltaire is now a hit again. Along with copies of Charlie Hebdo, his books are flying off the shelves. From: [mailto: ]
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:02 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Maybe the best way to get to thetruth isn't by defending Richard Famous phrases......
Truth is the Daughter of Time ;

To the living we owe respect, to the dead only truth [Voltaire] On 17/01/2015 15:03, Pamela Bain pbain@... [] wrote: That is so very interesting, and even four hundred years after Richard III, the "truth" is a very elusive thing.


On Jan 17, 2015, at 7:33 AM, bkohatl@... [] <> wrote: Maybe the best way to show people the truth isn't by defending Richard, which is a good cause in its own right, but by investigating Henry Stafford, the Duke of Buckingham, and Henry Tudor. Showing their real character and their actions, will do more to defend Richard than a defense of Richard.The dismissiveness of those who favor Leicester and the traditional history, including Prime Minister Cameron, depends on people knowing no more than that. Read Shakespeare's Richard III and you "know" the truth. We need to show that Henry Stafford and Henry Tudor were playing each other, both only looking out for themselves, treachery for profit. A skill mastered by the Stanleys . As long as you don't know the truth you'll believe the history books: I'll give you an example, Billy the Kid. Pat Garrett was the Sheriff of Lincoln, New Mexico. He killed Billy in an ambush, then wrote Billy's biography(with the help of a ghost writer). He said that Billy killed 21 men by his 21st birthday. That is the story everyone knows. That fact alone makes him out to be incredibly evil. Not any truth in it. And the lies start with the first fact in his book, The Authentic Life of Billy, the Kid, The Noted Desperado of the Southwest Pat's ghost writer said that Billy was born November 23, 1859. Funny thing that date was the birthday of Garrett's ghost writer, Sheriff Ash Upson. Almost all of Billy's friends said that Billy was born in 1861. Garrett said 1859, many historians believe so that he could say that Billy killed 21 men in his 21 years Well, what is the truth? Billy McCarty never killed 21 people. He probably "only" killed nine. But that is where the story gets interesting. The first was the village blacksmith in Bonita , Arizona , Billy was a sixteen-year-old, 125 lb. orphan. The town blacksmith, Windy Cahill, was the town bully at over six feet and 200+ lbs. He was the strongest man in town. He didn't like "the kid" from the beginning and would beat the hell out of him every chance he got using any pretext. At some point Billy saved his money and bought himself an equalizer. We won't know what made this time different, probably calling Billy a "son-of-a-bitch" was the last straw. Billy was Irish and loved his late mother. After a few minutes of getting beaten, Billy was able to work his hand free and grabbed his gun and shot Windy dead. Everyone says that Billy practiced shooting all the time, he would forego buying food to buy bullets. He got to be so good that people said he was a dead shot, with lightening reaction time. Only a fool would challenge him. Which brings up the second shooting, a drunken cowboy said that he was going to kill Billy the Kid. Unfortunately 17-year-old Billy was in the bar when he said it. Billy tried to discourage the guy. All the witnesses agreed, Billy didn't want to hurt the guy, unfortunately the situation spun out of control. When you go looking for trouble, you usually find it. The drunk pulled his gun and Billy, like Wild Bill Hickok, was 100 times faster. How many people know that Billy McCarty was actually a legally deputized officer of the law. The Sheriff of Lincoln, New Mexico murdered Billy's employer and friend John Tunstall. The local Justice of the Peace swore Billy and his fellow Tunstall ranch hands as officers of the law to arrest the sheriff. That is how the Lincoln County War started. Billy would later say of John Tunstall, Tunstall was one of the only men that treated him like he was "free-born and white." Billy killed 5 of the 200 men who died during the Lincoln County War, but nobody wanted to get in a gun battle with Billy, because they knew that they would lose. Billy actually was one of the last men standing and initiated a peace agreement to end the "War". Then he was offered a pardon by the Governor if he would testify before the grand jury investigating the fighting. Billy turned himself in and testified. The Governor broke his word and Billy was tried and sentenced to death for shooting Sheriff Brady. Within two weeks of his hanging Billy escaped, shooting two deputies, one of whom had been one of the men who murdered John Tunstall in cold blood. One western historian put it best, Billy had the fault of many young men and boys, he wasn't fighting for himself he was fighting for the dead, trying to give them peace and justice. My only point is that almost no one knows the truth about Billy, that is why so easy to believe "history". But the truth is something quite different. And it makes Billy sound much better. We've all seen the picture of Billy while he was on the run in 1881, when "he was rode hard and put away wet". Well I have the story and picture of Billy when he was all cleaned up on my blog: Down the road less traveled..: The one thing Billy the Kid never got in life, was Justice Down the road less traveled..: The one thing Billy the K... Billy the Kid was a good Kid Many People think that Billy was illiterate, they are 100% wrong. View on briankeithohara.blogs... Preview by Yahoo

Or, as Inspector Alan Grant (Daughter of Time) would say: "Tonypandy"
I think your suggestion an excellent one: even those most skeptical of Riccardians and their passion probably believe, at heart, that a person's character and pattern of behavior is more or less consistent over their lifetime -- and certainly doesn't change 180 degrees within a matter of days when they are in their early 30s!. Therefore it might help a good deal if the oft-repeated cry of "but the person Richard was would not have chosen to do this" was supplemented by showing that "the person Buckingham/Henry/Margaret was could well and easily have chosen to do this".
Fascinating information about Billy the Kid. And it fit in so very well with a recent re-reading of Daughter of Time.
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Maybe the best way to show people the truth isn't by defending Richard, which is a good cause in its own right, but by investigating Henry Stafford, the Duke of Buckingham, and Henry Tudor. Showing their real character and their actions, will do more to defend Richard than a defense of Richard.The dismissiveness of those who favor Leicester and the traditional history, including Prime Minister Cameron, depends on people knowing no more than that. Read Shakespeare's Richard III and you "know" the truth.
We need to show that Henry Stafford and Henry Tudor were playing each other, both only looking out for themselves, treachery for profit. A skill mastered by the Stanleys.

Surely the biggest propegator of the myth is Shakespeare (and as a dramatist/poet I love him), not because of his portrayal of Richard, but because of the poetic licence he takes to make the WOTR end with Tudor rescue at Bosworth Field - something which has permeated history books ever since? The WOTR ended in the aftermath of Tewkesbury with the death of Hero Henry's heirs. What followed in its aftermath was the disintegration of the House of York and a group of scheming dispossessed individuals who ended up in the last hope saloon with another one of their sort, Henry Tudor. I doubt any of them thought they would displace a king, and I include MB, Bray, Morton and HT himself in that. But, by a horrible fluke of history a bit of French speculation and a misjudged charge gave us the Tudors. I agree, we shouldn't be defending Richard; that smacks of the inference that he was guilty of something and, dare I say, that we are loonies or fanatics. I agree we can apportion blame for scheming and disruption and even for whatever did happen to those princes, but when we do, it will be hard to exclude Edward and his dealings with Louis XI for a large part in the outcome of all this. H
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Or, as Inspector Alan Grant (Daughter of Time) would say: "Tonypandy"
I think your suggestion an excellent one: even those most skeptical of Riccardians and their passion probably believe, at heart, that a person's character and pattern of behavior is more or less consistent over their lifetime -- and certainly doesn't change 180 degrees within a matter of days when they are in their early 30s!. Therefore it might help a good deal if the oft-repeated cry of "but the person Richard was would not have chosen to do this" was supplemented by showing that "the person Buckingham/Henry/Margaret was could well and easily have chosen to do this".
Fascinating information about Billy the Kid. And it fit in so very well with a recent re-reading of Daughter of Time.
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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 05:33:00 -0800
Subject: Maybe the best way to get to the truth isn't by defending Richard


Maybe the best way to show people the truth isn't by defending Richard, which is a good cause in its own right, but by investigating Henry Stafford, the Duke of Buckingham, and Henry Tudor. Showing their real character and their actions, will do more to defend Richard than a defense of Richard.The dismissiveness of those who favor Leicester and the traditional history, including Prime Minister Cameron, depends on people knowing no more than that. Read Shakespeare's Richard III and you "know" the truth.
We need to show that Henry Stafford and Henry Tudor were playing each other, both only looking out for themselves, treachery for profit. A skill mastered by the Stanleys.

Voltaire himself said it, hence the surge in interest in his works.
As for Henry Stafford, I spent an entire summer trying to track him down, eventually giving up. He is a very difficult man to pin down. I handed my work over to the American branch who I think published it on the website, or in their magazine.
Paul

On 17/01/2015 22:28, Judy Thomson judygerard.thomson@... [] wrote:
And very interesting about Billy the Kid. 
I totally agree that no one has thoroughly explored Henry Stafford. 
To combine both these subjects, metaphorically, we just might find a "smoking gun" that's been there all along, but gone unnoticed until...? A project for Somebody.
Judy   Loyaulte me lie



On Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:21 PM, Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:


Although it's my understanding, someone *other* than Voltaire, himself (like his Biographer, maybe?) actually made the very famous statement:
"I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it!"
Judy   Loyaulte me lie

On Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:09 PM, "Pamela Bain pbain@... []" <> wrote:


  I read that Voltaire is now a hit again. Along with copies of Charlie Hebdo, his books are flying off the shelves.   From: [mailto: ]
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:02 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Maybe the best way to get to thetruth isn't by defending Richard     Famous phrases......
Truth is the Daughter of Time ;

To the living we owe respect, to the dead only truth [Voltaire] On 17/01/2015 15:03, Pamela Bain pbain@... [] wrote: That is so very interesting, and even four hundred years after Richard III, the "truth" is a very elusive thing.


On Jan 17, 2015, at 7:33 AM, bkohatl@... [] <> wrote:   Maybe the best way to show people the truth isn't by defending Richard, which is a good cause in its own right, but by investigating Henry Stafford, the Duke of Buckingham, and Henry Tudor. Showing their real character and their actions, will do more to defend Richard than a defense of Richard.The dismissiveness of those who favor Leicester and the traditional history, including Prime Minister Cameron, depends on people knowing no more than that. Read Shakespeare's Richard III and you "know" the truth. We need to show that Henry Stafford and Henry Tudor were playing each other, both only looking out for themselves, treachery for profit.  A skill mastered by the Stanleys .   As long as you don't know the truth you'll believe the history books: I'll give you an example, Billy the Kid.  Pat Garrett was the Sheriff of Lincoln, New Mexico. He killed Billy in an ambush, then wrote Billy's biography(with the help of a ghost writer). He said that Billy killed 21 men by his 21st birthday. That is the story everyone knows. That fact alone makes him out to be incredibly evil. Not any truth in it. And the lies start with the first fact in his book, The Authentic Life of Billy, the Kid, The Noted Desperado of the Southwest   Pat's ghost writer said that Billy was born November 23, 1859. Funny thing that date was the birthday of Garrett's ghost writer, Sheriff Ash Upson. Almost all of Billy's friends said that Billy was born in 1861.  Garrett said 1859, many historians believe so that he could say that Billy killed 21 men in his 21 years Well, what is the truth? Billy McCarty never killed 21 people. He probably "only" killed nine.  But that is where the story gets interesting.   The first was the village blacksmith in Bonita , Arizona , Billy was a sixteen-year-old, 125 lb. orphan. The town blacksmith, Windy Cahill, was the town bully at over six feet and 200+ lbs.  He was the strongest man in town. He didn't like "the kid"  from the beginning and would beat the hell out of him every chance he got using any pretext. At some point Billy saved his money and bought himself an equalizer. We won't know what made this time different, probably calling Billy a "son-of-a-bitch" was the last straw. Billy was Irish and loved his late mother. After a few minutes of getting beaten, Billy was able to work his hand free and grabbed his gun and shot Windy dead. Everyone says that Billy practiced shooting all the time, he would forego buying  food to buy bullets. He got  to be so good that people said he was a dead shot, with lightening reaction time. Only a fool would challenge him. Which brings up the second shooting, a drunken cowboy said that he was going to kill Billy the Kid. Unfortunately 17-year-old Billy was in the bar when he said it. Billy tried to discourage the guy. All the witnesses agreed, Billy didn't want to hurt the guy, unfortunately the situation spun out of control. When you go looking for trouble, you usually find it. The drunk pulled his gun and Billy, like Wild Bill Hickok, was 100 times faster.   How many people know that Billy McCarty was actually a legally deputized officer of the law. The Sheriff of Lincoln, New Mexico murdered Billy's employer and friend John Tunstall. The local Justice of the Peace swore Billy and his fellow Tunstall ranch hands as officers of the law to arrest the sheriff. That is how the Lincoln County War started. Billy would later say of John Tunstall,  Tunstall was one of the only men that treated him like he was "free-born and white."  Billy killed 5 of the 200 men who died during the Lincoln County War, but nobody wanted to get in a gun battle with Billy, because they knew that they would lose. Billy actually was one of the last men standing and initiated a peace agreement to end the "War". Then he was offered a pardon by the Governor if he would testify before the grand jury investigating the fighting. Billy turned himself in and testified. The Governor broke his word and Billy was tried and sentenced to death for shooting Sheriff Brady. Within two weeks of his hanging Billy escaped, shooting two deputies, one of whom had been one of the men who murdered John Tunstall in cold blood. One western historian put it best, Billy had the fault of many young men and boys, he wasn't fighting for himself he was fighting for the dead, trying to give them peace and justice.   My only point is that almost no one knows the truth about Billy, that is why so easy to believe "history".  But the truth is something quite different. And it makes Billy sound much better. We've all seen the picture of Billy while he was on the run in 1881, when "he was rode hard and put away wet". Well I have the story and picture of Billy when he was all cleaned up on my blog: Down the road less traveled..: The one thing Billy the Kid never got in life, was Justice       Down

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Paul, I stand corrected. Last time I quoted that line, I was dressed-down by a guy who acted like an authority. But as we know, "acting" and "being" are very different cups of tea.
Judy Loyaulte me lie

On Sunday, January 18, 2015 8:45 AM, "Paul Trevor Bale bale475@... []" <> wrote:


Voltaire himself said it, hence the surge in interest in his works.
As for Henry Stafford, I spent an entire summer trying to track him down, eventually giving up. He is a very difficult man to pin down. I handed my work over to the American branch who I think published it on the website, or in their magazine.
Paul

On 17/01/2015 22:28, Judy Thomson judygerard.thomson@... [] wrote:
And very interesting about Billy the Kid.
I totally agree that no one has thoroughly explored Henry Stafford.
To combine both these subjects, metaphorically, we just might find a "smoking gun" that's been there all along, but gone unnoticed until...? A project for Somebody.
Judy Loyaulte me lie



On Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:21 PM, Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:


Although it's my understanding, someone *other* than Voltaire, himself (like his Biographer, maybe?) actually made the very famous statement:
"I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it!"
Judy Loyaulte me lie

On Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:09 PM, "Pamela Bain pbain@... []" <> wrote:


I read that Voltaire is now a hit again. Along with copies of Charlie Hebdo, his books are flying off the shelves. From: [mailto: ]
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:02 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Maybe the best way to get to thetruth isn't by defending Richard Famous phrases......
Truth is the Daughter of Time ;

To the living we owe respect, to the dead only truth [Voltaire] On 17/01/2015 15:03, Pamela Bain pbain@... [] wrote: That is so very interesting, and even four hundred years after Richard III, the "truth" is a very elusive thing.


On Jan 17, 2015, at 7:33 AM, bkohatl@... [] <> wrote: Maybe the best way to show people the truth isn't by defending Richard, which is a good cause in its own right, but by investigating Henry Stafford, the Duke of Buckingham, and Henry Tudor. Showing their real character and their actions, will do more to defend Richard than a defense of Richard.The dismissiveness of those who favor Leicester and the traditional history, including Prime Minister Cameron, depends on people knowing no more than that. Read Shakespeare's Richard III and you "know" the truth. We need to show that Henry Stafford and Henry Tudor were playing each other, both only looking out for themselves, treachery for profit. A skill mastered by the Stanleys . As long as you don't know the truth you'll believe the history books: I'll give you an example, Billy the Kid. Pat Garrett was the Sheriff of Lincoln, New Mexico. He killed Billy in an ambush, then wrote Billy's biography(with the help of a ghost writer). He said that Billy killed 21 men by his 21st birthday. That is the story everyone knows. That fact alone makes him out to be incredibly evil. Not any truth in it. And the lies start with the first fact in his book, The Authentic Life of Billy, the Kid, The Noted Desperado of the Southwest Pat's ghost writer said that Billy was born November 23, 1859. Funny thing that date was the birthday of Garrett's ghost writer, Sheriff Ash Upson. Almost all of Billy's friends said that Billy was born in 1861. Garrett said 1859, many historians believe so that he could say that Billy killed 21 men in his 21 years Well, what is the truth? Billy McCarty never killed 21 people. He probably "only" killed nine. But that is where the story gets interesting. The first was the village blacksmith in Bonita , Arizona , Billy was a sixteen-year-old, 125 lb. orphan. The town blacksmith, Windy Cahill, was the town bully at over six feet and 200+ lbs. He was the strongest man in town. He didn't like "the kid" from the beginning and would beat the hell out of him every chance he got using any pretext. At some point Billy saved his money and bought himself an equalizer. We won't know what made this time different, probably calling Billy a "son-of-a-bitch" was the last straw. Billy was Irish and loved his late mother. After a few minutes of getting beaten, Billy was able to work his hand free and grabbed his gun and shot Windy dead. Everyone says that Billy practiced shooting all the time, he would forego buying food to buy bullets. He got to be so good that people said he was a dead shot, with lightening reaction time. Only a fool would challenge him. Which brings up the second shooting, a drunken cowboy said that he was going to kill Billy the Kid. Unfortunately 17-year-old Billy was in the bar when he said it. Billy tried to discourage the guy. All the witnesses agreed, Billy didn't want to hurt the guy, unfortunately the situation spun out of control. When you go looking for trouble, you usually find it. The drunk pulled his gun and Billy, like Wild Bill Hickok, was 100 times faster. How many people know that Billy McCarty was actually a legally deputized officer of the law. The Sheriff of Lincoln, New Mexico murdered Billy's employer and friend John Tunstall. The local Justice of the Peace swore Billy and his fellow Tunstall ranch hands as officers of the law to arrest the sheriff. That is how the Lincoln County War started. Billy would later say of John Tunstall, Tunstall was one of the only men that treated him like he was "free-born and white." Billy killed 5 of the 200 men who died during the Lincoln County War, but nobody wanted to get in a gun battle with Billy, because they knew that they would lose. Billy actually was one of the last men standing and initiated a peace agreement to end the "War". Then he was offered a pardon by the Governor if he would testify before the grand jury investigating the fighting. Billy turned himself in and testified. The Governor broke his word and Billy was tried and sentenced to death for shooting Sheriff Brady. Within two weeks of his hanging Billy escaped, shooting two deputies, one of whom had been one of the men who murdered John Tunstall in cold blood. One western historian put it best, Billy had the fault of many young men and boys, he wasn't fighting for himself he was fighting for the dead, trying to give them peace and justice. My only point is that almost no one knows the truth about Billy, that is why so easy to believe "history". But the truth is something quite different. And it makes Billy sound much better. We've all seen the picture of Billy while he was on the run in 1881, when "he was rode hard and put away wet". Well I have the story and picture of Billy when he was all cleaned up on my blog: Down the road less traveled..: The one thing Billy the Kid never got in life, was Justice Down the road less traveled..: The one thing Billy the K... Billy the Kid was a good Kid Many People think that Billy was illiterate, they are 100% wrong. View on briankeithohara.blogs... Preview by Yahoo

Hilary wrote :

"I agree, we shouldn't be defending Richard; that smacks of the inference that he was guilty of something and, dare I say, that we are loonies or fanatics."

Carol responds:

I can't agree. Yes, we should explore the truth about the fate of the "Princes" and the character of everyone involved, but if we and other Ricardians don't (calmly and reasonably) correct factual errors and point out the frailty of assumptions about Richard, they will continue to be perpetuated.

Carol

I agree entirely with correcting factual errors about everyone and everything concerned - after all real history is about truth. I think we're saying virtually the same thing Carol. It's the occasional gusher without evidence who doesn't help, but there aren't so many of those these days. H
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Hilary wrote :

"I agree, we shouldn't be defending Richard; that smacks of the inference that he was guilty of something and, dare I say, that we are loonies or fanatics."

Carol responds:

I can't agree. Yes, we should explore the truth about the fate of the "Princes" and the character of everyone involved, but if we and other Ricardians don't (calmly and reasonably) correct factual errors and point out the frailty of assumptions about Richard, they will continue to be perpetuated.

Carol