An unorthodox idea

An unorthodox idea

2004-11-13 23:36:18
Megan Lerseth
This is my first post- please accept this with an open mind.

People touring the Tower of London have reported seeing the spirits of Edward V and his brother the Duke, holding hands and walking around. Might a sensitive with no bias on their deaths be able to communicate with them and find out the truth?


Re: An unorthodox idea

2004-11-22 15:44:07
mariewalsh2003
--- In , Megan Lerseth
<megan_phntmgrl@s...> wrote:
> This is my first post- please accept this with an open mind.
>
> People touring the Tower of London have reported seeing the spirits
of Edward V and his brother the Duke, holding hands and walking
around. Might a sensitive with no bias on their deaths be able to
communicate with them and find out the truth?
>
>
>

I didn't know this. Could you tell me where you hers/ read this, and
precisely where the boys are supposed to have been seen?



It's just that I wonder if it wasn't a tale got up by the Beefeaters,
or people's imaginations running riot after seeing that Millais
painting.
Of course, assuming there are ghosts and true sensitives (I wouldn't
knock this personally, but a lot of people would rule it straight
out), AND assuming that the Princes really do haunt the Tower, then
the answer would obviously have to be 'yes'. I did once read an
account of a psychic who claimed to have made contact with the
Princes in the Tower. It was a long time ago now, and I can't say I
took much notice of it, but I think they were supposed to have told
him Richard did murder him but he was a nice bloke really and they
understood.
The problem is, how do you tell if your 'sensitive's' story is true?
And, if the Princes were murdered in the Tower during Richard's
reign, how would they have known whether Richard or Buckingham (or
Margaret Beaufort, or Uncle Tom Cobleigh) was the instigator?
Marie

I can't help wondering why the Tower doesn't get haunted more by less
well known folk who suffered horrible torture at the hands of the
Tudors et al, instead of the more notorious princes and Anne Boleyn.

Re: An unorthodox idea

2004-11-27 16:30:15
marion davis
Marie wrote: It's just that I wonder if it wasn't a
tale got up by the Beefeaters, or people's
imaginations running riot after seeing that Millais
painting ... [Snip] ... I can't help wondering why the
Tower doesn't get haunted more by less well known folk
who suffered horrible torture at the hands of the
Tudors et al, instead of the more notorious princes
and Anne Boleyn.

****

I think some people who see a ghost interpret the
sighting in terms of what's most familiar. Since the
Princes in the Tower and Anne Boleyn are well known
characters, that's who people think they see. I think
people who are scared by their experience are more
likely to interpret it in familiar terms. People who
are more curious than frightened may observe details
that allow them to interpret their experience in less
stereotyped ways.

Since the names of many who suffered in the Tower
aren't well-known, people who see a Tower ghost won't
think of anonymous victims, unless they're calm enough
to observe details and reserve judgement.

I'd like to think I could stay calm in the presence of
a Tower ghost and observe some significant details.
But I've never seen a ghost, so I don't know how well
I'd do if I had the opportunity. <g>

I'd rather read a reputable psychic's interpretation
of the bones reportedly found in a small, square room
behind the wall of the passage to the King's Lodgings.

In 1647, John Webb--deputy to Inigo Jones, Surveyor of
the King's Works--made a note on the flyleaf of a copy
of More's "History" which said that when Lord Grey of
Wilton and Sir Walter Raleigh were prisoners in the
Tower, the bones of two children about 6 and 8 years
old were found lying on a table in this 7/8 foot
square room. "All present" believed these bones were
the remains of Richard's nephews--although they were
3/4 years too young.

There's no surviving report of what was done with
these bones, and the passageway with the room behind
the wall was demolished long ago. But I'd be
interested to know if the copy of More's "History"
with Webb's note still exists. If a psychic could
work with that, familiar stories and stereotypes might
not affect their interpretation of the 6/8 year olds'
bones.

Anyone who has access to back issues of The Ricardian
can read a detailed article about other bones found in
the Tower. Helen Maurer, "Bones in the tower: a
discussion of Time, Place and Circumstance," Pt. 1
Vol. 8, no. 111 (1990) and Pt. 2, Vol. 9, no. 112
(1991).

Marion










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