Peers at service

There were four peers from across the York/Lancaster divide (they called it Lancashire on Channel 4) in the front row at the Compline in Leicester Cathedral just now. But I can't find out who they were - names weren't mentioned and I can't see it on the Ch4 website or anywhere else I have looked.

Does anyone know who they were?

Best wishes
Christine
off to Leicester tomorrow!

I don't know who those four were but after doing some googling have found there are 15 peers in all...
Rep White Rose...18th Duke of Norfolk, , Baron Grey of Codnor, Duke of Rutland, 19th Viscount Hereford, Hon James Stourton representing Baron Mowbray
Rep Red Rose...Earl of Derby, 6th Baron Raglan, 29th Baron Herbert, 11th Earl de la Warr, reps of 18th Earl of Devon and 8th Baroness Bray
I had to turn off at the point where Starkey started spouting off...he called Phillipa a 'looney from the society'...and 'two authors'...that was Phillipa Gregory and Helen Caster...! which was kind of pot calling the kettle black.Eileen

I was just watching Sky News, and they had a brief interview with the Earl of Derby (Stanley) who said his wife was a Neville, so they represented both sides of the struggle. I didn't hear him mention his own surname! Anyway, he was one of the nobles there today. Sandra =^..^= From: mailto: Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 7:08 PM To: Subject: Peers at service

There were four peers from across the York/Lancaster divide (they called it Lancashire on Channel 4) in the front row at the Compline in Leicester Cathedral just now. But I can't find out who they were - names weren't mentioned and I can't see it on the Ch4 website or anywhere else I have looked.

Does anyone know who they were?

Best wishes
Christine
off to Leicester tomorrow!

Does anyone know who the silly woman is who was smiling at the camera when they were bringing the coffin into the Cathedral?

That was David Starkey in a wig incognito attempting to get in to hurl eggs at the coffin...

Silly answer to an even sillier question...Eileen

:) :) My favourite report of the day - the labradors dressed in Yorkist colours which lined the route through the villages - how very British:) and the worst, on Facebook didn't know why those men on horseback in armour were there, they spoiled it - dah! Forget Starkey and his huge ego. I, who favoured York, must congratulate Leicester on doing our king proud and it was lovely to see a whole new generation embrace what he stood for. HT may have won a battle but he certainly didn't win the war. As it said in one report, Boswoth is no place for a Tudor standard this week. H
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That was David Starkey in a wig incognito attempting to get in to hurl eggs at the coffin...

Silly answer to an even sillier question...Eileen

I saw a photo of a young boy, on his father's shoulders, with a replica of the crown on his young head. That made me smile. Another generation will, I hope, learn about Richard III, the good king!

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:) :)

My favourite report of the day - the labradors dressed in Yorkist colours which lined the route through the villages - how very British:)

and the worst, on Facebook

didn't know why those men on horseback in armour were there, they spoiled it - dah!

Forget Starkey and his huge ego. I, who favoured York, must congratulate Leicester on doing our king proud and it was lovely to see a whole new generation embrace what he stood for. HT may have won a battle but he certainly didn't win the war. As it said in one report, Boswoth is no place for a Tudor standard this week. H

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That was David Starkey in a wig incognito attempting to get in to hurl eggs at the coffin...

Silly answer to an even sillier question...Eileen

Aw I missed the labs...!
Agree with you so much on that Hilary..Leicester have indeed done Richard proud and I think when the tomb is finally displayed it will be pretty wonderful...
Favourites of the day for me...of the parts that I saw....loved the Knights on horseback and gun carriage...most moving part? When Richard's coffin finally entered through the Cathdral doors and the choir sung...totally sobbed...although it seems you get labeled as a 'looney' if you show any emotion... Which says more about the person doing the labelling actually...
Eileen

I saw the labs as well. I thought most everything was wonderful. The gents in armor were a tad "over the top", but that did not put me off the service. I thought it was dignified, respectful and lovely. Every "family" has some looney bins, and I suppose this event was so different, that a certain deviation from an unknown "norm" was bound to occur. I also hope enough people become interested in Richard and his time, that more is written, read, and recognized as being closer to the thoughts of those of us who are Ricardians. The Tudor Section may finally just spin themselves into the great beyond!



On Mar 23, 2015, at 3:10 PM, cherryripe.eileenb@... [] <> wrote:

Aw I missed the labs...!

Agree with you so much on that Hilary..Leicester have indeed done Richard proud and I think when the tomb is finally displayed it will be pretty wonderful...
Favourites of the day for me...of the parts that I saw....loved the Knights on horseback and gun carriage...most moving part? When Richard's coffin finally entered through the Cathdral doors and the choir sung...totally sobbed...although it seems you get labeled as a 'looney' if you show any emotion... Which says more about the person doing the labelling actually...
Eileen

Almost the same moment for me Eileen - when Richard Buckley (who also looked pretty moved) to the tolling of the bell handed him to the care of the Church to be received 'as a man' again (the admirable Jon Snow's commentary) and he was indeed received as 'our brother Richard' . I listened to the Radio Leicester commentary all afternoon and I think we missed some other bits like the fact that the villages tolled their bells as he passed - and some of those bells were there long before his time. And I would love to have seen those labs! It will stay with me a long, long time and we have Thursday still to go. Beautiful and very choking - and I'm a hardened data and finance person! H
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Aw I missed the labs...!
Agree with you so much on that Hilary..Leicester have indeed done Richard proud and I think when the tomb is finally displayed it will be pretty wonderful...
Favourites of the day for me...of the parts that I saw....loved the Knights on horseback and gun carriage...most moving part? When Richard's coffin finally entered through the Cathdral doors and the choir sung...totally sobbed...although it seems you get labeled as a 'looney' if you show any emotion... Which says more about the person doing the labelling actually...
Eileen

The part that completely choked me up was when Richard Buckley handed the coffin over to the clergy when it arrived at the cathedral.
I didn't expect it and suddenly found myself in tears.

JessFrom: cherryripe.eileenb@... []
Sent: 23/03/2015 20:10
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Aw I missed the labs...!
Agree with you so much on that Hilary..Leicester have indeed done Richard proud and I think when the tomb is finally displayed it will be pretty wonderful...
Favourites of the day for me...of the parts that I saw....loved the Knights on horseback and gun carriage...most moving part? When Richard's coffin finally entered through the Cathdral doors and the choir sung...totally sobbed...although it seems you get labeled as a 'looney' if you show any emotion... Which says more about the person doing the labelling actually...
Eileen

An American here for the week and I just want to assure those of you who weren't able to make the trip that indeed it is being every bit as lovely and respectful as it has appeared from the clips and other news sources. I'm a little bit in awe of the people here to be honest -- that so many of them care, with such respect and dignity. I expected the seriousness and sense of importance from the many members of the Society who are here, but it's not just us at all. I don't know quite how to describe it but it's very touching and real.
Sunday night I was standing at one of the large areas where they had put up big screens to show the last of the route through the city and the compline service. There must have been 300 to 400 people there, and I just assumed that once the more active part with the crowds and horses and all was over, people would start drifting away. (In truth I was figuring that when they did, I'd be able to sit down somewhere -- it had already been 4-5 hours by then.) Not at all. Even when it became clear that we weren't going to be able to distinguish the actual words, no one left .. or even fidgited, or made any noise. They stood still and watched every moment and -well, gave a feeling of quiet dignity to the occasion I found it very touching and surprising. (Also surprising was the lack of litter left behind when they did disperse.)
Also touching, in a more overwhelming way, was tonight's memorial service for the RIII Society members. So many poignant moments, including readings by several people, including Phillipa Langley, of contemporary statements about Richard. But my own personal "lost it" moment came at the end of Dr. Stone's. statement when he said, with obvious deep affection, "Good night, sweet prince..." He may have followed with the rest -- "and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest" I know there were some other words but honestly was too focused on trying to stifle an embarrassing sob to be sure what they were. It was so appropriate, as he *is* finally put to a dignified rest ... but there was also a kind of fierce joy in hearing that calmly stated defiance: taking the power and beauty of Shakespeare's words but turning them "right side up" at last!
So for those of you who can't be here but get the sense that something very appropriately special is happening, I can confirm that impression.
Elizabeth
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Date: 03/23/2015 9:13 PM (GMT+00:00)
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Fresh from Society service. Was Only three grey from victim. Very, very moving, especialy quotes about Richard & Phil Stone's reflections on King Richard's prayer. I bowed & kneeled to the king, then outside the doors I burst info tears, almost howling. I had Said good bye to my beloved Richard yet again, though again I hadn't wanted to.
This morning I stood weeping in the Field at Fenn Lanes Where he died. Nobody for miles. Beautiful peaceful moments. Can anyone compare this week & the emotions having Richard back after so long have produced
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Almost the same moment for me Eileen - when Richard Buckley (who also looked pretty moved) to the tolling of the bell handed him to the care of the Church to be received 'as a man' again (the admirable Jon Snow's commentary) and he was indeed received as 'our brother Richard' . I listened to the Radio Leicester commentary all afternoon and I think we missed some other bits like the fact that the villages tolled their bells as he passed - and some of those bells were there long before his time. And I would love to have seen those labs! It will stay with me a long, long time and we have Thursday still to go. Beautiful and very choking - and I'm a hardened data and finance person! H
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Aw I missed the labs...!
Agree with you so much on that Hilary..Leicester have indeed done Richard proud and I think when the tomb is finally displayed it will be pretty wonderful...
Favourites of the day for me...of the parts that I saw....loved the Knights on horseback and gun carriage...most moving part? When Richard's coffin finally entered through the Cathdral doors and the choir sung...totally sobbed...although it seems you get labeled as a 'looney' if you show any emotion... Which says more about the person doing the labelling actually...
Eileen

http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/11875291.Richard_III__York_is__well_off_out_of_it__reckons_Dr_David_Starkey/

Starkey seems to have decided to insult the whole city of Leicester now.

Jess

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That was David Starkey in a wig incognito attempting to get in to hurl eggs at the coffin...

Silly answer to an even sillier question...Eileen

The man is a clown, intent only upon his own image. Unfortunately, how he sees himself and how the rest of us see him are not the same. He, of course, is the only one marching in time. =^..^= From: mailto: Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:10 PM To: Subject: Re: Re: Peers at service

http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/11875291.Richard_III__York_is__well_off_out_of_it__reckons_Dr_David_Starkey/

Starkey seems to have decided to insult the whole city of Leicester now.

Jess

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That was David Starkey in a wig incognito attempting to get in to hurl eggs at the coffin...

Silly answer to an even sillier question...Eileen

I previously had at least a tiny bit of time for Starkey, and I think there is maybe a little bit of soft centre in there somewhere.
However, his rudeness on Sunday was absolutely appalling.
God knows how his partner puts up with him!
Someone posted a message on Twitter that they had heard there was a hole in a car park in Leicester that he should be buried in.
Can't come soon enough=

JessFrom: 'Sandra J Machin' sandramachin@... []
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The man is a clown, intent only upon his own image. Unfortunately, how he sees himself and how the rest of us see him are not the same. He, of course, is the only one marching in time. =^..^= From: mailto: Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 12:10 PM To: Subject: Re: Re: Peers at service

http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/11875291.Richard_III__York_is__well_off_out_of_it__reckons_Dr_David_Starkey/

Starkey seems to have decided to insult the whole city of Leicester now.

Jess

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From: cherryripe.eileenb@... [] <>;
To: <>;
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Sent: Mon, Mar 23, 2015 6:26:46 PM

That was David Starkey in a wig incognito attempting to get in to hurl eggs at the coffin...

Silly answer to an even sillier question...Eileen

Thank you, and I appreciate your descriptions and feelings!



On Mar 24, 2015, at 1:54 AM, ebs 222 ebs222@... [] <> wrote:

An American here for the week and I just want to assure those of you who weren't able to make the trip that indeed it is being every bit as lovely and respectful as it has appeared from the clips and other news sources. I'm a little bit in awe of the people here to be honest -- that so many of them care, with such respect and dignity. I expected the seriousness and sense of importance from the many members of the Society who are here, but it's not just us at all. I don't know quite how to describe it but it's very touching and real.
Sunday night I was standing at one of the large areas where they had put up big screens to show the last of the route through the city and the compline service. There must have been 300 to 400 people there, and I just assumed that once the more active part with the crowds and horses and all was over, people would start drifting away. (In truth I was figuring that when they did, I'd be able to sit down somewhere -- it had already been 4-5 hours by then.) Not at all. Even when it became clear that we weren't going to be able to distinguish the actual words, no one left .. or even fidgited, or made any noise. They stood still and watched every moment and -well, gave a feeling of quiet dignity to the occasion I found it very touching and surprising. (Also surprising was the lack of litter left behind when they did disperse.)
Also touching, in a more overwhelming way, was tonight's memorial service for the RIII Society members. So many poignant moments, including readings by several people, including Phillipa Langley, of contemporary statements about Richard. But my own personal "lost it" moment came at the end of Dr. Stone's. statement when he said, with obvious deep affection, "Good night, sweet prince..." He may have followed with the rest -- "and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest" I know there were some other words but honestly was too focused on trying to stifle an embarrassing sob to be sure what they were. It was so appropriate, as he *is* finally put to a dignified rest ... but there was also a kind of fierce joy in hearing that calmly stated defiance: taking the power and beauty of Shakespeare's words but turning them "right side up" at last!
So for those of you who can't be here but get the sense that something very appropriately special is happening, I can confirm that impression.
Elizabeth
t via the Samsung Galaxy Tab® S, an AT&T 4G LTE tablet

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From: "'bale475@...' bale475@... []" <>
Date: 03/23/2015 9:13 PM (GMT+00:00)
To:
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Fresh from Society service. Was Only three grey from victim. Very, very moving, especialy quotes about Richard & Phil Stone's reflections on King Richard's prayer. I bowed & kneeled to the king, then outside the doors I burst info tears, almost howling. I had Said good bye to my beloved Richard yet again, though again I hadn't wanted to.
This morning I stood weeping in the Field at Fenn Lanes Where he died. Nobody for miles. Beautiful peaceful moments. Can anyone compare this week & the emotions having Richard back after so long have produced
Sent from my HTC

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Date: Mon, Mar 23, 2015 8:56 PM


Almost the same moment for me Eileen - when Richard Buckley (who also looked pretty moved) to the tolling of the bell handed him to the care of the Church to be received 'as a man' again (the admirable Jon Snow's commentary) and he was indeed received as 'our brother Richard' . I listened to the Radio Leicester commentary all afternoon and I think we missed some other bits like the fact that the villages tolled their bells as he passed - and some of those bells were there long before his time. And I would love to have seen those labs! It will stay with me a long, long time and we have Thursday still to go. Beautiful and very choking - and I'm a hardened data and finance person! H
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Sent: Monday, 23 March 2015, 20:10
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Aw I missed the labs...!
Agree with you so much on that Hilary..Leicester have indeed done Richard proud and I think when the tomb is finally displayed it will be pretty wonderful...
Favourites of the day for me...of the parts that I saw....loved the Knights on horseback and gun carriage...most moving part? When Richard's coffin finally entered through the Cathdral doors and the choir sung...totally sobbed...although it seems you get labeled as a 'looney' if you show any emotion... Which says more about the person doing the labelling actually...
Eileen

What an unpleasant man.......



On Mar 24, 2015, at 7:13 AM, Jessie Skinner janjovian@... [] <> wrote:

http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/11875291.Richard_III__York_is__well_off_out_of_it__reckons_Dr_David_Starkey/

Starkey seems to have decided to insult the whole city of Leicester now.

Jess

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Sent: Mon, Mar 23, 2015 6:26:46 PM

That was David Starkey in a wig incognito attempting to get in to hurl eggs at the coffin...

Silly answer to an even sillier question...Eileen

Elizabeth wrote:"But my own personal lost it moment came at the end of Dr Stone's statement...'Goodnight sweet prince.....'
It says it all really doesn't it?Eileen

Thank you, Elizabeth, for the lovely report. I have bookmarked your post. Apologies for top-posting, but I didn't know what to snip!

Carol