Ricardian Fiction
Ricardian Fiction
2005-03-02 16:18:18
I just finished reading "The Reluctant Queen" (about
Anne) by Jean Plaidy. It was an amusing read but an
overall snoozer. I didn't end up liking ANY of the
character portrayals in the book, though I think I was
supposed to. She did end up portraying them all with
20th century sensabilities (though Anne came off as
ratehr Victorian - she was "shocked" that Richard had
had other mistresses before her).
I read "Sunne in Spleandour" when i was about 14 and
the very right age to develop a crush on EDMUND (of
all people!) Talk about historical Necrophilia!
Cheers,
Mishka
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Anne) by Jean Plaidy. It was an amusing read but an
overall snoozer. I didn't end up liking ANY of the
character portrayals in the book, though I think I was
supposed to. She did end up portraying them all with
20th century sensabilities (though Anne came off as
ratehr Victorian - she was "shocked" that Richard had
had other mistresses before her).
I read "Sunne in Spleandour" when i was about 14 and
the very right age to develop a crush on EDMUND (of
all people!) Talk about historical Necrophilia!
Cheers,
Mishka
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Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Ricardian Fiction
2005-03-03 00:12:32
Points to you for originality! I'm only 15 (I turn 16 on Saturday) and I still have developed this huge crush on Richard.
MIchelle <michelle@...> wrote:I just finished reading "The Reluctant Queen" (about
Anne) by Jean Plaidy. It was an amusing read but an
overall snoozer. I didn't end up liking ANY of the
character portrayals in the book, though I think I was
supposed to. She did end up portraying them all with
20th century sensabilities (though Anne came off as
ratehr Victorian - she was "shocked" that Richard had
had other mistresses before her).
I read "Sunne in Spleandour" when i was about 14 and
the very right age to develop a crush on EDMUND (of
all people!) Talk about historical Necrophilia!
Cheers,
Mishka
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MIchelle <michelle@...> wrote:I just finished reading "The Reluctant Queen" (about
Anne) by Jean Plaidy. It was an amusing read but an
overall snoozer. I didn't end up liking ANY of the
character portrayals in the book, though I think I was
supposed to. She did end up portraying them all with
20th century sensabilities (though Anne came off as
ratehr Victorian - she was "shocked" that Richard had
had other mistresses before her).
I read "Sunne in Spleandour" when i was about 14 and
the very right age to develop a crush on EDMUND (of
all people!) Talk about historical Necrophilia!
Cheers,
Mishka
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Re: Ricardian Fiction
2005-03-03 06:02:07
Ann:
Jean Plaidy (Victoria Holt, Philippa whosit) was probably the
twentieth-century version of Agnes Strickland, except that Miss
Strickland seems to have done a great deal of research.
(I read the Stonor Letters in high school and developed a crush
on *Thomas Betson*)
L.P.H.,
Ann
I keep nothing from my husband (unless it is unlikely to accomplish
anything except to arouse his formidible temper).
MIchelle wrote:
> I just finished reading "The Reluctant Queen" (about
> Anne) by Jean Plaidy. It was an amusing read but an
> overall snoozer. I didn't end up liking ANY of the
> character portrayals in the book, though I think I was
> supposed to. She did end up portraying them all with
> 20th century sensabilities (though Anne came off as
> ratehr Victorian - she was "shocked" that Richard had
> had other mistresses before her).
Jean Plaidy (Victoria Holt, Philippa whosit) was probably the
twentieth-century version of Agnes Strickland, except that Miss
Strickland seems to have done a great deal of research.
(I read the Stonor Letters in high school and developed a crush
on *Thomas Betson*)
L.P.H.,
Ann
I keep nothing from my husband (unless it is unlikely to accomplish
anything except to arouse his formidible temper).
MIchelle wrote:
> I just finished reading "The Reluctant Queen" (about
> Anne) by Jean Plaidy. It was an amusing read but an
> overall snoozer. I didn't end up liking ANY of the
> character portrayals in the book, though I think I was
> supposed to. She did end up portraying them all with
> 20th century sensabilities (though Anne came off as
> ratehr Victorian - she was "shocked" that Richard had
> had other mistresses before her).
Re: Ricardian Fiction
2005-03-03 23:20:01
--- In , "Ann Sharp" <axsc@p...>
wrote:
>
> Ann:
> Jean Plaidy (Victoria Holt, Philippa whosit) was probably the
> twentieth-century version of Agnes Strickland, except that Miss
> Strickland seems to have done a great deal of research.
>
> (I read the Stonor Letters in high school and developed a crush
> on *Thomas Betson*)
>
> L.P.H.,
>
> Ann
>
> I keep nothing from my husband (unless it is unlikely to accomplish
> anything except to arouse his formidible temper).
I thoroughly enjoyed reading the Paston letters just after I left school. It was
almost the first time mediaeval people came through to me as being real. Also,
it was fascinating to read that some of the phrases used by them were old
when they used them, yet my grandmother was still using them, and so was I.
To my mind that is our ancestors talking to us, which may be fanciful on my
part but so be it.
>
>
>
> MIchelle wrote:
> > I just finished reading "The Reluctant Queen" (about
> > Anne) by Jean Plaidy. It was an amusing read but an
> > overall snoozer. I didn't end up liking ANY of the
> > character portrayals in the book, though I think I was
> > supposed to. She did end up portraying them all with
> > 20th century sensabilities (though Anne came off as
> > ratehr Victorian - she was "shocked" that Richard had
> > had other mistresses before her).
wrote:
>
> Ann:
> Jean Plaidy (Victoria Holt, Philippa whosit) was probably the
> twentieth-century version of Agnes Strickland, except that Miss
> Strickland seems to have done a great deal of research.
>
> (I read the Stonor Letters in high school and developed a crush
> on *Thomas Betson*)
>
> L.P.H.,
>
> Ann
>
> I keep nothing from my husband (unless it is unlikely to accomplish
> anything except to arouse his formidible temper).
I thoroughly enjoyed reading the Paston letters just after I left school. It was
almost the first time mediaeval people came through to me as being real. Also,
it was fascinating to read that some of the phrases used by them were old
when they used them, yet my grandmother was still using them, and so was I.
To my mind that is our ancestors talking to us, which may be fanciful on my
part but so be it.
>
>
>
> MIchelle wrote:
> > I just finished reading "The Reluctant Queen" (about
> > Anne) by Jean Plaidy. It was an amusing read but an
> > overall snoozer. I didn't end up liking ANY of the
> > character portrayals in the book, though I think I was
> > supposed to. She did end up portraying them all with
> > 20th century sensabilities (though Anne came off as
> > ratehr Victorian - she was "shocked" that Richard had
> > had other mistresses before her).
Re: Ricardian Fiction
2005-03-04 13:32:49
--- In , "dixonian2004" > >
I thoroughly enjoyed reading the Paston letters just after I left
school. It was almost the first time mediaeval people came through
to me as being real.
Yes! The Pastons, encountered in Eng Lit 2 and 3 at Sydney
University back in the day, made medieval history - which I already
loved - come alive for me and I found the people
strangely 'familiar'. Which I suppose is why I am unashamed that my
early induction into the Ricardian dilemma came via the Pastons AND
via well written and well researched fiction, not through standard
history teaching or hard core academic titles. Now, my shelves are
stocked with the latter, all of which I have read, annotated, and
enjoyed grappling with, but still, I do love "The Sunne In
Splendour", even if I must discount some of it :)
May I also raise a hand in praise of the influence of a well-
informed Ricardian, however. I visited Fotheringay church last July
and had THE **MOST** fabulous unplanned hour with a woman who was
doing the flowers and tidying up after a function held at the church
the night before. I was visiting the iconic Ricardian site, asked
her a question about an item on display, she discerned that I was a
sincere supporter who knew her Buckingham from her Stanley, and what
followed was a wonderful trot about the church, during which she
pointed out to me many aspects of Edward and Richard's involvement
with the structure etc of the place and ranged right through the
latter stages of the Wars of the Roses. I was totally enthralled,
engaged and very grateful.
And no, I am not romantically naive about Richard's character nor
about the 'family murders'. I have read and noted the arguments re
these, and find them persuasive. But I do find that the old
saying, 'The past is another country. They do things differently
there', is very comforting too LOL
So, what makes us Ricardians? It could well be, initially, very
contemporary influences, such as the informative 'flower lady' in
Fotheringay church, as well as fictional ones.
Ana
I thoroughly enjoyed reading the Paston letters just after I left
school. It was almost the first time mediaeval people came through
to me as being real.
Yes! The Pastons, encountered in Eng Lit 2 and 3 at Sydney
University back in the day, made medieval history - which I already
loved - come alive for me and I found the people
strangely 'familiar'. Which I suppose is why I am unashamed that my
early induction into the Ricardian dilemma came via the Pastons AND
via well written and well researched fiction, not through standard
history teaching or hard core academic titles. Now, my shelves are
stocked with the latter, all of which I have read, annotated, and
enjoyed grappling with, but still, I do love "The Sunne In
Splendour", even if I must discount some of it :)
May I also raise a hand in praise of the influence of a well-
informed Ricardian, however. I visited Fotheringay church last July
and had THE **MOST** fabulous unplanned hour with a woman who was
doing the flowers and tidying up after a function held at the church
the night before. I was visiting the iconic Ricardian site, asked
her a question about an item on display, she discerned that I was a
sincere supporter who knew her Buckingham from her Stanley, and what
followed was a wonderful trot about the church, during which she
pointed out to me many aspects of Edward and Richard's involvement
with the structure etc of the place and ranged right through the
latter stages of the Wars of the Roses. I was totally enthralled,
engaged and very grateful.
And no, I am not romantically naive about Richard's character nor
about the 'family murders'. I have read and noted the arguments re
these, and find them persuasive. But I do find that the old
saying, 'The past is another country. They do things differently
there', is very comforting too LOL
So, what makes us Ricardians? It could well be, initially, very
contemporary influences, such as the informative 'flower lady' in
Fotheringay church, as well as fictional ones.
Ana
Edmund
2005-03-04 18:51:55
It is a case of What If with Edmund. Murdered at such a young age.
The other members of the family were all remarkable people. What
would he have accomplished??? Not to speak of how history would
have been different???? By the way, I am Wakefield born and bred
and through Philiph Haigh's book I have just found out one of the
possible sites of his murder is just outside the Chantry Chapel. I
pass this site every time I walk into town. When I return to
Wakefield at Easter, this spot will have a new significance for me.
What a pity we dont know exactly where so we could put up a plaque
or a memorial to Edmund . There is one to his father just down the
road. What a pity Wakefield doesn't make more of its historical
significance
Angela
--- In , MIchelle
<michelle@m...> wrote:
> I just finished reading "The Reluctant Queen" (about
> Anne) by Jean Plaidy. It was an amusing read but an
> overall snoozer. I didn't end up liking ANY of the
> character portrayals in the book, though I think I was
> supposed to. She did end up portraying them all with
> 20th century sensabilities (though Anne came off as
> ratehr Victorian - she was "shocked" that Richard had
> had other mistresses before her).
> I read "Sunne in Spleandour" when i was about 14 and
> the very right age to develop a crush on EDMUND (of
> all people!) Talk about historical Necrophilia!
>
> Cheers,
> Mishka
>
>
>
>
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The other members of the family were all remarkable people. What
would he have accomplished??? Not to speak of how history would
have been different???? By the way, I am Wakefield born and bred
and through Philiph Haigh's book I have just found out one of the
possible sites of his murder is just outside the Chantry Chapel. I
pass this site every time I walk into town. When I return to
Wakefield at Easter, this spot will have a new significance for me.
What a pity we dont know exactly where so we could put up a plaque
or a memorial to Edmund . There is one to his father just down the
road. What a pity Wakefield doesn't make more of its historical
significance
Angela
--- In , MIchelle
<michelle@m...> wrote:
> I just finished reading "The Reluctant Queen" (about
> Anne) by Jean Plaidy. It was an amusing read but an
> overall snoozer. I didn't end up liking ANY of the
> character portrayals in the book, though I think I was
> supposed to. She did end up portraying them all with
> 20th century sensabilities (though Anne came off as
> ratehr Victorian - she was "shocked" that Richard had
> had other mistresses before her).
> I read "Sunne in Spleandour" when i was about 14 and
> the very right age to develop a crush on EDMUND (of
> all people!) Talk about historical Necrophilia!
>
> Cheers,
> Mishka
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________
> Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday!
> Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web
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Ricardian Fiction
2014-03-05 06:26:15
A recent member, I have just finished reading The Sunne In September - a wonderful book.
I thought about reading The Daughter of Time next.
Any suggestions at to good ricardian/wars of the roses fiction greatly appreciated.
Re: Ricardian Fiction
2014-03-05 10:52:14
Some Touch of Pity [aka The Broken
Sword] by Rhoda Edwards and the prequel Fortunes Wheel which I
think even better.
Also anything by Alison Weir who writes fiction masquerading as fact! :-)
Paul
On 04/03/2014 22:55, pgahan74@... wrote:
--
Richard Liveth Yet!
Also anything by Alison Weir who writes fiction masquerading as fact! :-)
Paul
On 04/03/2014 22:55, pgahan74@... wrote:
A recent member, I have just finished reading The Sunne In September - a wonderful book.
I thought about reading The Daughter of Time next.
Any suggestions at to good ricardian/wars of the roses fiction
greatly appreciated.
--
Richard Liveth Yet!
Re: Ricardian Fiction
2014-03-05 12:25:02
we speak no treason - Rosemary Hawley Jarman...
any other suggestions - your favs - I'm compiling a suggested reading list for the American Branch website(In case your new pgahan74 - Paul was being droll.... Weir really is rubbish - dont waste your money on her - my copy of the princes in the tower went on the fire _ couldnt bring myself to even donate it to a charity shop where someone else would be subject to drivel...!)
On 4 March 2014 18:55, <pgahan74@...> wrote:
any other suggestions - your favs - I'm compiling a suggested reading list for the American Branch website(In case your new pgahan74 - Paul was being droll.... Weir really is rubbish - dont waste your money on her - my copy of the princes in the tower went on the fire _ couldnt bring myself to even donate it to a charity shop where someone else would be subject to drivel...!)
On 4 March 2014 18:55, <pgahan74@...> wrote:
A recent member, I have just finished reading The Sunne In September - a wonderful book.
I thought about reading The Daughter of Time next.
Any suggestions at to good ricardian/wars of the roses fiction greatly appreciated.
--
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Baddeck, Nova Scotia.Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
www.Antiques-Boutique.com Like us on www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique
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Re: Ricardian Fiction
2014-03-05 12:29:27
Angela,
I believe the Yorkshire Branch is hoping to put up a plaque on site in Wakefield to commemorate Edmund.
Re: Ricardian Fiction
2014-03-05 12:42:46
Under the Hog by Patrick (?) Carleton is terrific Liz
From: "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" <lisa.holtjones@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2014, 12:25
Subject: Re: Ricardian Fiction
we speak no treason - Rosemary Hawley Jarman...
any other suggestions - your favs - I'm compiling a suggested reading list for the American Branch website (In case your new pgahan74 - Paul was being droll.... Weir really is rubbish - dont waste your money on her - my copy of the princes in the tower went on the fire _ couldnt bring myself to even donate it to a charity shop where someone else would be subject to drivel...!)
On 4 March 2014 18:55, <pgahan74@...> wrote:
A recent member, I have just finished reading The Sunne In September - a wonderful book. I thought about reading The Daughter of Time next. Any suggestions at to good ricardian/wars of the roses fiction greatly appreciated.
--
Lisa The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services Baddeck, Nova Scotia. Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
http://www.antiques-boutique.com/ Like us on www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
Re: Ricardian Fiction
2014-03-05 13:06:10
Liz, would this be the Under the Castrated Boar-type Hog? Or the 120lbs+
hoggus intacticus? Sorry for butting in. Weird Welsh sense of humour, I
guess.
Sandra
=^..^=
From: liz williams
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 12:42 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Ricardian
Fiction
Under the Hog by Patrick (?) Carleton is terrific
Liz
From: "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique"
<lisa.holtjones@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2014,
12:25
Subject: Re: [Richard III
Society Forum] Ricardian Fiction
we speak no treason - Rosemary Hawley Jarman...
any other suggestions - your favs - I'm compiling a suggested reading list
for the American Branch website
(In case your new pgahan74 - Paul was being droll.... Weir really is
rubbish - dont waste your money on her - my copy of the princes in the tower
went on the fire _ couldnt bring myself to even donate it to a charity shop
where someone else would be subject to drivel...!)
On 4 March 2014 18:55, <pgahan74@...> wrote:
A recent member, I have just finished reading The Sunne In September - a
wonderful book.
I thought about reading The Daughter of Time next.
Any suggestions at to good ricardian/wars of the roses fiction greatly
appreciated.
--
Lisa
The Antiques
Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation
Services
Baddeck, Nova
Scotia.
Tel: 902 295
9013 / 1329
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Re: Ricardian Fiction
2014-03-05 13:09:55
I just borrowed The Princes in the Tower from the library, I refuse to buy it. I haven't read it yet, but just on a look through she is wilfully wrong about almost everything.
Jess
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From: Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique <lisa.holtjones@...>;
To: <>;
Subject: Re: Ricardian Fiction
Sent: Wed, Mar 5, 2014 12:25:01 PM
we speak no treason - Rosemary Hawley Jarman...
any other suggestions - your favs - I'm compiling a suggested reading list for the American Branch website(In case your new pgahan74 - Paul was being droll.... Weir really is rubbish - dont waste your money on her - my copy of the princes in the tower went on the fire _ couldnt bring myself to even donate it to a charity shop where someone else would be subject to drivel...!)
On 4 March 2014 18:55, <pgahan74@...> wrote:
A recent member, I have just finished reading The Sunne In September - a wonderful book.
I thought about reading The Daughter of Time next.
Any suggestions at to good ricardian/wars of the roses fiction greatly appreciated.
--
LisaThe Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
Baddeck, Nova Scotia.Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
www.Antiques-Boutique.com Like us on www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique
View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
Re: Ricardian Fiction
2014-03-05 21:40:31
Well as I'm half Welsh I can appreciate it! It's a great book by the way if you haven't read it. I loved the touches of black humour.
Liz
From: SandraMachin <sandramachin@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2014, 13:06
Subject: Re: Ricardian Fiction
Liz, would this be the Under the Castrated Boar-type Hog? Or the 120lbs+ hoggus intacticus? Sorry for butting in. Weird Welsh sense of humour, I guess. Sandra =^..^= From: liz williams Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 12:42 PM To: Subject: Re: Ricardian Fiction
Under the Hog by Patrick (?) Carleton is terrific Liz
From: "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" <lisa.holtjones@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2014, 12:25
Subject: Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Ricardian Fiction
we speak no treason - Rosemary Hawley Jarman... any other suggestions - your favs - I'm compiling a suggested reading list for the American Branch website (In case your new pgahan74 - Paul was being droll.... Weir really is rubbish - dont waste your money on her - my copy of the princes in the tower went on the fire _ couldnt bring myself to even donate it to a charity shop where someone else would be subject to drivel...!)
On 4 March 2014 18:55, <pgahan74@...> wrote:
A recent member, I have just finished reading The Sunne In September - a wonderful book. I thought about reading The Daughter of Time next. Any suggestions at to good ricardian/wars of the roses fiction greatly appreciated.
--
Lisa The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services Baddeck, Nova Scotia. Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
http://www.antiques-boutique.com/ Like us on www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
From: SandraMachin <sandramachin@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2014, 13:06
Subject: Re: Ricardian Fiction
Liz, would this be the Under the Castrated Boar-type Hog? Or the 120lbs+ hoggus intacticus? Sorry for butting in. Weird Welsh sense of humour, I guess. Sandra =^..^= From: liz williams Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 12:42 PM To: Subject: Re: Ricardian Fiction
Under the Hog by Patrick (?) Carleton is terrific Liz
From: "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" <lisa.holtjones@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2014, 12:25
Subject: Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Ricardian Fiction
we speak no treason - Rosemary Hawley Jarman... any other suggestions - your favs - I'm compiling a suggested reading list for the American Branch website (In case your new pgahan74 - Paul was being droll.... Weir really is rubbish - dont waste your money on her - my copy of the princes in the tower went on the fire _ couldnt bring myself to even donate it to a charity shop where someone else would be subject to drivel...!)
On 4 March 2014 18:55, <pgahan74@...> wrote:
A recent member, I have just finished reading The Sunne In September - a wonderful book. I thought about reading The Daughter of Time next. Any suggestions at to good ricardian/wars of the roses fiction greatly appreciated.
--
Lisa The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services Baddeck, Nova Scotia. Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
http://www.antiques-boutique.com/ Like us on www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
Re: Ricardian Fiction
2014-03-05 21:44:57
Yes...one of my favourite Ricardian books too. I think it's out of print now but you can still get it very cheap secondhand...Eileen
Re: Ricardian Fiction
2014-03-06 07:51:56
"The Sunne In Splendour," was one of my favorites of all time. Wasn't as sold on,"Daughter Of Time."
Michele
ml_thorsteinson@...
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On Wed, 3/5/14, liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: Ricardian Fiction
To: "" <>
Date: Wednesday, March 5, 2014, 3:40 PM
Well as
I'm half Welsh I can appreciate it! It's a
great book by the way if you haven't read it. I loved
the touches of black
humour.
Liz
From:
SandraMachin <sandramachin@...>
To:
Sent:
Wednesday, 5 March 2014, 13:06
Subject: Re:
Ricardian Fiction
Liz, would this be the Under the Castrated Boar-type
Hog? Or the 120lbs+
hoggus intacticus? Sorry for butting in. Weird Welsh sense
of humour, I
guess.
Sandra
=^..^=
From: liz
williams
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 12:42 PM
To:
Subject: Re:
Ricardian
Fiction
Under the Hog by Patrick (?) Carleton is terrific
Liz
From: "Lisa @ The
Antiques Boutique"
<lisa.holtjones@...>
To:
Sent:
Wednesday, 5 March 2014,
12:25
Subject: Re:
[Richard III
Society Forum] Ricardian Fiction
we speak no treason - Rosemary Hawley
Jarman...
any other suggestions - your favs - I'm compiling a
suggested reading list
for the American Branch website
(In case your new pgahan74 - Paul was being droll....
Weir really is
rubbish - dont waste your money on her - my copy of the
princes in the tower
went on the fire _ couldnt bring myself to even donate it to
a charity shop
where someone else would be subject to
drivel...!)
On 4 March 2014 18:55,
<pgahan74@...>
wrote:
A recent member, I have just finished reading The
Sunne In September - a
wonderful book.
I thought about reading The Daughter of Time next.
Any suggestions at to good ricardian/wars of the
roses fiction greatly
appreciated.
--
Lisa
The Antiques
Boutique
& Ceramic
Restoration/Conservation
Services
Baddeck, Nova
Scotia.
Tel: 902 295
9013 / 1329
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Michele
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On Wed, 3/5/14, liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: Ricardian Fiction
To: "" <>
Date: Wednesday, March 5, 2014, 3:40 PM
Well as
I'm half Welsh I can appreciate it! It's a
great book by the way if you haven't read it. I loved
the touches of black
humour.
Liz
From:
SandraMachin <sandramachin@...>
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Wednesday, 5 March 2014, 13:06
Subject: Re:
Ricardian Fiction
Liz, would this be the Under the Castrated Boar-type
Hog? Or the 120lbs+
hoggus intacticus? Sorry for butting in. Weird Welsh sense
of humour, I
guess.
Sandra
=^..^=
From: liz
williams
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 12:42 PM
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Ricardian
Fiction
Under the Hog by Patrick (?) Carleton is terrific
Liz
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Subject: Re:
[Richard III
Society Forum] Ricardian Fiction
we speak no treason - Rosemary Hawley
Jarman...
any other suggestions - your favs - I'm compiling a
suggested reading list
for the American Branch website
(In case your new pgahan74 - Paul was being droll....
Weir really is
rubbish - dont waste your money on her - my copy of the
princes in the tower
went on the fire _ couldnt bring myself to even donate it to
a charity shop
where someone else would be subject to
drivel...!)
On 4 March 2014 18:55,
<pgahan74@...>
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A recent member, I have just finished reading The
Sunne In September - a
wonderful book.
I thought about reading The Daughter of Time next.
Any suggestions at to good ricardian/wars of the
roses fiction greatly
appreciated.
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Re: Ricardian Fiction
2014-03-06 07:59:33
"Sunne" is an ideal way to wade into Ricardian fiction, with its omniscient narrator sweep and detail of 14th century life. It was my introduction to Richard's world, too. There is quite a lot of Ricardian fiction and much of the fun (for me anyway) is seeing how many different and creative interpretations authors develop. "Some Touch of Pity/Broken Sword" is wonderful but assumes the reader's knowledge of his life and controversies, the same is more or less true of the emotional, highly colored "We Speak No Treason" and the cool, terse "Seventh Son" both of which I enjoyed. Meredith Whitford's "Treason" gives us a demystified, maybe too modern but highly readable Richard, Christopher Rae's two-part novel "G" is a grimdark version of both Richard and his England (even though he doesn't even kill those kids). Mixed feelings about that one. Right now my evening reading is "Under the Hog" which seems to take a cool but affectionate view of him, and my Kindle-on-the-daily-bus reading is Isolde Martyn's "The Devil in Ermine" (about Buckingham) which I just started but seems promising so far. Not surprising there seems to be a fair amount of new fiction inspired by Richard. Besides the "canon" of Sunne, Touch of Pity, and We Speak... , are there other less well known books forum members have found personally moving, cleverly explanatory of insoluble mysteries, or "flawed but interesting" sorts of works?
Anne
Anne
Re: Ricardian Fiction
2014-03-09 05:31:08
Paul wrote :
"Some Touch of Pity [aka The Broken Sword] by Rhoda Edwards and the prequel Fortunes Wheel which I think even better.
Also anything by Alison Weir who writes fiction masquerading as fact! :-)"
Carol responds:
Paul, I'm guessing from the smile icon that you're not *recommending* Alison Weir's books, just labeling her "history" as the fiction it is. Right? Her "new" source, of course, is also fiction (Thomas More's so-called history of Richard III), but I recommend it only so that Ricardians know what they're up against. As for novels about Richard (as opposed to "solutions" to the "murder" of the "Princes"), there's always "We Speak No Treason" by Rosemary Hawley Jarman. But there's nothing really comparable to--or, in my view, as good as--"Sunne in Splendour." "Daughter of Time" is fun but dated and offers little that's new. It almost wholly overlooks Buckingham, for example."The Richard III Murder Mystery" (about a group of Ricardians, one of whom is a murderer) is also fun but offers little that's new.
Carol (T)
"Some Touch of Pity [aka The Broken Sword] by Rhoda Edwards and the prequel Fortunes Wheel which I think even better.
Also anything by Alison Weir who writes fiction masquerading as fact! :-)"
Carol responds:
Paul, I'm guessing from the smile icon that you're not *recommending* Alison Weir's books, just labeling her "history" as the fiction it is. Right? Her "new" source, of course, is also fiction (Thomas More's so-called history of Richard III), but I recommend it only so that Ricardians know what they're up against. As for novels about Richard (as opposed to "solutions" to the "murder" of the "Princes"), there's always "We Speak No Treason" by Rosemary Hawley Jarman. But there's nothing really comparable to--or, in my view, as good as--"Sunne in Splendour." "Daughter of Time" is fun but dated and offers little that's new. It almost wholly overlooks Buckingham, for example."The Richard III Murder Mystery" (about a group of Ricardians, one of whom is a murderer) is also fun but offers little that's new.
Carol (T)
Re: Ricardian Fiction
2014-03-09 15:36:47
Yes Carol nothing can touch "Sunne in Splendour". Makes me feel as if I am eavesdropping on what went on during Edward and Richard's reigns.
Re: Ricardian Fiction
2014-03-09 15:48:26
Jan here.I enjoyed the version of the Northampton-Stony Stratford incidents that is offered in "The Devil in Ermine" & "The Seventh Son" has a good sex scene. Mind you, individual taste does play some part here! "The Worm of Conscience" covers the career of Miles Metcalfe & has an interesting version of Gloucester's character as boy & adult. I don't think I can go along with its version of the Princes' story though. SiS has the advantage of length to build characters & relationships. WSNT is very intense; I feel I need my stays cutting at times.
On 9 Mar 2014, at 05:31, <justcarol67@...> wrote:
"Some Touch of Pity [aka The Broken Sword] by Rhoda Edwards and the prequel Fortunes Wheel which I think even better.
Also anything by Alison Weir who writes fiction masquerading as fact! :-)"
Carol responds:
Paul, I'm guessing from the smile icon that you're not *recommending* Alison Weir's books, just labeling her "history" as the fiction it is. Right? Her "new" source, of course, is also fiction (Thomas More's so-called history of Richard III), but I recommend it only so that Ricardians know what they're up against. As for novels about Richard (as opposed to "solutions" to the "murder" of the "Princes"), there's always "We Speak No Treason" by Rosemary Hawley Jarman. But there's nothing really comparable to--or, in my view, as good as--"Sunne in Splendour." "Daughter of Time" is fun but dated and offers little that's new. It almost wholly overlooks Buckingham, for example."The Richard III Murder Mystery" (about a group of Ricardians, one of whom is a murderer) is also fun but offers little that's new.
Carol (T)
On 9 Mar 2014, at 05:31, <justcarol67@...> wrote:
Paul wrote :
"Some Touch of Pity [aka The Broken Sword] by Rhoda Edwards and the prequel Fortunes Wheel which I think even better.
Also anything by Alison Weir who writes fiction masquerading as fact! :-)"
Carol responds:
Paul, I'm guessing from the smile icon that you're not *recommending* Alison Weir's books, just labeling her "history" as the fiction it is. Right? Her "new" source, of course, is also fiction (Thomas More's so-called history of Richard III), but I recommend it only so that Ricardians know what they're up against. As for novels about Richard (as opposed to "solutions" to the "murder" of the "Princes"), there's always "We Speak No Treason" by Rosemary Hawley Jarman. But there's nothing really comparable to--or, in my view, as good as--"Sunne in Splendour." "Daughter of Time" is fun but dated and offers little that's new. It almost wholly overlooks Buckingham, for example."The Richard III Murder Mystery" (about a group of Ricardians, one of whom is a murderer) is also fun but offers little that's new.
Carol (T)
Re: Ricardian Fiction
2014-03-09 15:57:03
And there are also Ricardian novels by our own members, Anne Easter Smith and Sandra Worth.
Mariaejbronte@...
On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 11:36 AM, <maryfriend@...> wrote:
Mariaejbronte@...
On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 11:36 AM, <maryfriend@...> wrote:
Yes Carol nothing can touch "Sunne in Splendour". Makes me feel as if I am eavesdropping on what went on during Edward and Richard's reigns.
Re: Ricardian Fiction
2014-03-09 16:00:13
Oh, I so agree. And, Carol, I think your words about the Society are excellent. It is so sad for "us" to be so divided, when only a year+ ago we were deliriously happy with the discovery of his remains.
I have to think that all the hullabaloo is probably what other groups feel when a discovery is made, remains are found, and testing is done. Richard's remains are singular, because he was a king of England and the last of a dynasty.
I hope, eventually, that he is reinterred in the manner a King should be.
On Mar 9, 2014, at 10:36 AM, "maryfriend@..." <maryfriend@...> wrote:
On Mar 9, 2014, at 10:36 AM, "maryfriend@..." <maryfriend@...> wrote:
Yes Carol nothing can touch "Sunne in Splendour". Makes me feel as if I am eavesdropping on what went on during Edward and Richard's reigns.
Re: Ricardian Fiction
2014-03-09 18:01:35
I do hope that once Richard is re-interred we can all settle down in unity without anything to divide us and can concentrate on our support for his achievements and reputation.
I really do.
Jess
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Oh, I so agree. And, Carol, I think your words about the Society are excellent. It is so sad for "us" to be so divided, when only a year+ ago we were deliriously happy with the discovery of his remains.
I have to think that all the hullabaloo is probably what other groups feel when a discovery is made, remains are found, and testing is done. Richard's remains are singular, because he was a king of England and the last of a dynasty.
I hope, eventually, that he is reinterred in the manner a King should be.
On Mar 9, 2014, at 10:36 AM, "maryfriend@..." <maryfriend@...> wrote:
Yes Carol nothing can touch "Sunne in Splendour". Makes me feel as if I am eavesdropping on what went on during Edward and Richard's reigns.
Re: Ricardian Fiction
2014-03-09 19:27:21
Also another Society and forum poster...Sandra Heath Wilson (Machin) ...has her book coming out in May....lol I sound like an advert....Cecily's King Richard...there is going to be three in this series.....I do envy these people who are talented in to way...it really is a gift.....Eileen
Re: Ricardian Fiction
2014-03-12 14:23:25
On 09/03/2014 05:31,
justcarol67@... wrote:
Paul wrote :
"Some Touch of Pity [aka The Broken Sword] by Rhoda Edwards and the prequel Fortunes Wheel which I think even better.
Also anything by Alison Weir who writes fiction masquerading as fact! :-)"
Carol responds:
Paul, I'm guessing from the smile icon that you're not *recommending* Alison Weir's books, just labeling her "history" as the fiction it is. Right? Her "new" source, of course, is also fiction (Thomas More's so-called history of Richard III), but I recommend it only so that Ricardians know what they're up against. As for novels about Richard (as opposed to "solutions" to the "murder" of the "Princes"), there's always "We Speak No Treason" by Rosemary Hawley Jarman. But there's nothing really comparable to--or, in my view, as good as--"Sunne in Splendour." "Daughter of Time" is fun but dated and offers little that's new. It almost wholly overlooks Buckingham, for example."The Richard III Murder Mystery" (about a group of Ricardians, one of whom is a murderer) is also fun but offers little that's new.
Carol (T)
--
Richard Liveth Yet!
Paul wrote :
"Some Touch of Pity [aka The Broken Sword] by Rhoda Edwards and the prequel Fortunes Wheel which I think even better.
Also anything by Alison Weir who writes fiction masquerading as fact! :-)"
Carol responds:
Paul, I'm guessing from the smile icon that you're not *recommending* Alison Weir's books, just labeling her "history" as the fiction it is. Right? Her "new" source, of course, is also fiction (Thomas More's so-called history of Richard III), but I recommend it only so that Ricardians know what they're up against. As for novels about Richard (as opposed to "solutions" to the "murder" of the "Princes"), there's always "We Speak No Treason" by Rosemary Hawley Jarman. But there's nothing really comparable to--or, in my view, as good as--"Sunne in Splendour." "Daughter of Time" is fun but dated and offers little that's new. It almost wholly overlooks Buckingham, for example."The Richard III Murder Mystery" (about a group of Ricardians, one of whom is a murderer) is also fun but offers little that's new.
Carol (T)
--
Richard Liveth Yet!
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