Celestial phenomena during the 15th century

The two notable ones that come to my mind are the triple sun at
Mortimer's Cross, when Edward cleverly calmed his troops by
declaring this as divine approval of the Yorkist cause.( 3 suns=holy
trinity)
Also the total eclipse on the very day that Anne Neville died.Pretty
amazing coincidences!Any
others?

--- In , "Rhonda" <metrlt@s...> wrote:
>
> The two notable ones that come to my mind are the triple sun at
> Mortimer's Cross, when Edward cleverly calmed his troops by
> declaring this as divine approval of the Yorkist cause.( 3 suns=holy
> trinity)
> Also the total eclipse on the very day that Anne Neville died.Pretty
> amazing coincidences!Any
> others?


Just what was this phenomena regarding the three suns? Is it something that
happens a lot? I've never heard of it except in connection with the Mortimer's
Cross battle, and whilst I can understand it could cause confusion to the troops,
I can't understand what it was.

The two notable ones that come to my mind are the triple sun at
Mortimer's Cross, when Edward cleverly calmed his troops by
declaring this as divine approval of the Yorkist cause.( 3 suns=holy
trinity)
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Not 15th century, but a parallel: in 1845, Ellen Nussey was walking
around Haworth with Charlotte, Emily and Anne Bronte, and they also saw
a parhelion. Ellen, who wrote about this a long time after, says she
exclaimed that the three sisters were the three suns, that Charlotte
hushed her but that Emily seemed to like it (as usual, Anne's reaction
is not mentioned).

Maria
elena@...

In a message dated 3/6/2005 4:12:13 PM Mountain Standard Time,
ejbronte@... writes:


The two notable ones that come to my mind are the triple sun at
Mortimer's Cross, when Edward cleverly calmed his troops by
declaring this as divine approval of the Yorkist cause.( 3 suns=holy
trinity)
==================================
Not 15th century, but a parallel: in 1845, Ellen Nussey was walking
around Haworth with Charlotte, Emily and Anne Bronte, and they also saw
a parhelion. Ellen, who wrote about this a long time after, says she
exclaimed that the three sisters were the three suns, that Charlotte
hushed her but that Emily seemed to like it (as usual, Anne's reaction
is not mentioned).

Maria
_elena@..._ (mailto:elena@...)




Thanks, Maria. I was about to suggest searching Google for "parhelion"
or "parhelia." Generally, I'd say that in northern climates in winter, the
right conditions of ice crystals reflecting sunlight cause these to happen,
but how often, I don't know. I like the illustration at this site (bottom of
the page.)

_http://www.umich.edu/~lowbrows/reflections/1999/csarnecki.4.html_
(http://www.umich.edu/~lowbrows/reflections/1999/csarnecki.4.html)

LML,
Pam

--- In , "dixonian2004"
<dixonian2004@y...> wrote:
>>
>
> Just what was this phenomena regarding the three suns? Is it
something that
> happens a lot? I've never heard of it except in connection with
the Mortimer's
> Cross battle, and whilst I can understand it could cause confusion
to the troops,
> I can't understand what it was.\

Most likely, two "sun dogs." They're reflections of the sun on ice
crystals way up in the atmosphere. They must be rare in the British
Isles or they wouldn't have provoked the awe and consternation they
did.

Here's a link to an explanation of this phenomenon:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/atmos/halo22.html

Katy

Maria said:

[quoting a post that hasn't reached me]
>
> The two notable ones that come to my mind are the triple sun at
> Mortimer's Cross, when Edward cleverly calmed his troops by
> declaring this as divine approval of the Yorkist cause.( 3 suns=holy
> trinity)

Edward and his public relations staff got a lot of mileage out of those
triple suns. In addition to declaring them a sign of the trinity, they
also used them as an evocation of the three crowns on the
fabulous/conjectured arms of Brutus, founder of Britain, and also as
representations of the crowns of England, France, and Spain to which the
Yorkists laid claim.

There's a charming illustration in BL Harleian 7353, the "typological"
life of Edward IV, showing Edward viewing the sky with three suns beaming
their rays through three crowns. This is married to a vision of David's
that foreshadows the trinity. It's an amazing ms and I wish someone would
publish something significant on it. There are reproductions of some of
the illustrations in A. J. Pollard, _Richard III and the Princes in the
Tower_, and elsewhere.

(I also wish I had seen it in the original rather than as b/w photographs.
Alas, though I thought I'd made arrangements in advance, when I traveled
to London in 2000 to look at it, the ms was out for conservation).

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