Can you help? Yorkist genealogy and French military history
Can you help? Yorkist genealogy and French military history
2005-03-13 21:41:23
As we all know, our King's nephew, Richard de la Pole, was killed at
the battle of Pavia in 1525. However, he seems to have had a daughter
who had six children of her own.
Her second son, Pierre de Brenieu, was killed at the battle of St.
Denis.
Her third son, Claude, was killed at the battle d'Ivry.
What years did these take place in? Their parents married in 1539 so
I would suggest that the battles took place during Elizabeth's reign,
albeit a different country - France, I would imagine.
Stephen
the battle of Pavia in 1525. However, he seems to have had a daughter
who had six children of her own.
Her second son, Pierre de Brenieu, was killed at the battle of St.
Denis.
Her third son, Claude, was killed at the battle d'Ivry.
What years did these take place in? Their parents married in 1539 so
I would suggest that the battles took place during Elizabeth's reign,
albeit a different country - France, I would imagine.
Stephen
Re: Can you help? Yorkist genealogy and French military history
2005-03-14 00:57:38
> Her second son, Pierre de Brenieu, was killed at the battle of St.
> Denis.
> Her third son, Claude, was killed at the battle d'Ivry.
>
> What years did these take place in?
Are these battles too late?
There was a Battle of St Denis in France as part of the Wars of
Religion on the 11 November 1567. I wonder which side Pierre fought on
Also there was a Battle d'Ivry on the 14 March 1590.
I was interested to find that Richard de la Pole had a daughter. Do
you know anything more about her? I gather Richard didn't marry. I
quite like the idea that Geoffrey Chaucer may have descendants. (One
of my pet peeves is when people say someone's family died out and
they really only mean the male legitimate line).
Helen
> Denis.
> Her third son, Claude, was killed at the battle d'Ivry.
>
> What years did these take place in?
Are these battles too late?
There was a Battle of St Denis in France as part of the Wars of
Religion on the 11 November 1567. I wonder which side Pierre fought on
Also there was a Battle d'Ivry on the 14 March 1590.
I was interested to find that Richard de la Pole had a daughter. Do
you know anything more about her? I gather Richard didn't marry. I
quite like the idea that Geoffrey Chaucer may have descendants. (One
of my pet peeves is when people say someone's family died out and
they really only mean the male legitimate line).
Helen
Re: Can you help? Yorkist genealogy and French military history
2005-03-14 09:33:05
--- In , "Helen"
<sweethelly2003@y...> wrote:
>
>
> > Her second son, Pierre de Brenieu, was killed at the battle of
St.
> > Denis.
> > Her third son, Claude, was killed at the battle d'Ivry.
> >
> > What years did these take place in?
>
>
> Are these battles too late?
>
> There was a Battle of St Denis in France as part of the Wars of
> Religion on the 11 November 1567. I wonder which side Pierre fought
on
>
> Also there was a Battle d'Ivry on the 14 March 1590.
>
> I was interested to find that Richard de la Pole had a daughter. Do
> you know anything more about her? I gather Richard didn't marry. I
> quite like the idea that Geoffrey Chaucer may have descendants.
(One
> of my pet peeves is when people say someone's family died out and
> they really only mean the male legitimate line).
>
> Helen
Perfect - I did say the Elizabethan era!
I first heard about this from another prominent poster. Marguerite
was married in 1539, died in about 1599 and her husband died in 1566.
French sources claim that she was young Richard's daughter, he was in
exile in France and Italy for most of his adult life and she is the
right age (fourteen or more) to marry when she did.
I have her six children and some grandchildren documented from
another Forum and can e-mail them if you have PowerPoint.
Furthermore, one poster in another place seems to be descended from
her fifth child.
On the subject of "extinct" lines, one Piers Compton claimed that
Margaret of Salisbury's quintet all died without issue, despite a
whole volume of Ruvigny being devoted to her line. At the last count,
her grandchildren number 32.
Likewise, Henry VIII's illegitimate line flourishes to the point of
including the Devereux Earls of Essex and possibly Lord Nelson,
Charles Darwin, Vita Sackville-West, Sabine Baring-Gould, Ralph
Vaughan-Williams, P.G.Wodehouse, Lady Antonia Fraser and the late
Queen Mother.
I share your views about supposedly extinct lines.
<sweethelly2003@y...> wrote:
>
>
> > Her second son, Pierre de Brenieu, was killed at the battle of
St.
> > Denis.
> > Her third son, Claude, was killed at the battle d'Ivry.
> >
> > What years did these take place in?
>
>
> Are these battles too late?
>
> There was a Battle of St Denis in France as part of the Wars of
> Religion on the 11 November 1567. I wonder which side Pierre fought
on
>
> Also there was a Battle d'Ivry on the 14 March 1590.
>
> I was interested to find that Richard de la Pole had a daughter. Do
> you know anything more about her? I gather Richard didn't marry. I
> quite like the idea that Geoffrey Chaucer may have descendants.
(One
> of my pet peeves is when people say someone's family died out and
> they really only mean the male legitimate line).
>
> Helen
Perfect - I did say the Elizabethan era!
I first heard about this from another prominent poster. Marguerite
was married in 1539, died in about 1599 and her husband died in 1566.
French sources claim that she was young Richard's daughter, he was in
exile in France and Italy for most of his adult life and she is the
right age (fourteen or more) to marry when she did.
I have her six children and some grandchildren documented from
another Forum and can e-mail them if you have PowerPoint.
Furthermore, one poster in another place seems to be descended from
her fifth child.
On the subject of "extinct" lines, one Piers Compton claimed that
Margaret of Salisbury's quintet all died without issue, despite a
whole volume of Ruvigny being devoted to her line. At the last count,
her grandchildren number 32.
Likewise, Henry VIII's illegitimate line flourishes to the point of
including the Devereux Earls of Essex and possibly Lord Nelson,
Charles Darwin, Vita Sackville-West, Sabine Baring-Gould, Ralph
Vaughan-Williams, P.G.Wodehouse, Lady Antonia Fraser and the late
Queen Mother.
I share your views about supposedly extinct lines.
Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Re: Can you help? Yorkist genealogy
2005-03-15 00:46:58
stephenmlark <smlark@...> wrote:
French sources claim that she was young Richard's daughter, he was in
exile in France and Italy for most of his adult life and she is the
right age (fourteen or more) to marry when she did.
I have her six children and some grandchildren documented from
another Forum and can e-mail them if you have PowerPoint.
Thank you about the offer but I'm not sure whether I have PowerPoint or not. I know that sounds rather silly to say that. How does one know?
I share your views about supposedly extinct lines.
Oh yes!
Helen
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French sources claim that she was young Richard's daughter, he was in
exile in France and Italy for most of his adult life and she is the
right age (fourteen or more) to marry when she did.
I have her six children and some grandchildren documented from
another Forum and can e-mail them if you have PowerPoint.
Thank you about the offer but I'm not sure whether I have PowerPoint or not. I know that sounds rather silly to say that. How does one know?
I share your views about supposedly extinct lines.
Oh yes!
Helen
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Re: Can you help? Yorkist genealogy and French military history
2005-03-15 01:28:58
Helen:
> I was interested to find that Richard de la Pole had a
> daughter. Do you know anything more about her?
> I gather Richard didn't marry. I quite like the
> idea that Geoffrey Chaucer may have descendants.
> (One of my pet peeves is when people say someone's family
> died out and they really only mean the male legitimate line).
Ann:
Geoffrey's only surviving son had an only daughter, the well-known Alice Chaucer. Alice has descendants living today through her daughter Anne de la Pole:
1 Geoffrey Chaucer
+Philippe de Röet
2 Thomas Chaucer
+Maud de Burgersh
3 Alice Chaucer
+Sir John Philep
+Sir Thomas de Montacute aka: 4th Earl of Salisbury
+Sir William de la Pole aka: 4th Earl of Suffolk
4 Anne de la Pole
+Gaillard IV de Durfort, Seigneur de Duras et de Blanquefort
son of Gaillard III de Durfort and Indie de La Lande
5 son: Jean de Durfort, Seigneur de Duras
died 12 April 1520
married (1) contract 13 December 1478
Jeanne Angevin, daughter of Bernard Angevin, Seigneur de Rauzan and Marguerite de Montferrand
died between 4 November 1502 and 25 June 1504
married (2) contract 9 May 1513
Catherine de Foix, daughter of Corbeyran de Foix and Jeanne de Le Roque
died after 1522
5 daughter: Marguerite de Durfort
+Jean de Saint-Gelais
6 Jeanne de Saint-Gelais
7 Gui I Chabot de Saint-Gelais
8 L'onor Chabot de Saint-Gelais
9 Charles Chabot
10 Henri Chabot aka: Duc de Rohan
+Marguerite de Rohan aka: Duchesse de Rohan
11 Anne Julie de Rohan-Chabot aka: Dame de Frontenay
12 Hercule M'riadec de Rohan aka: Duc de Rohan-Rohan
13 Louise Francoise de Rohan
14 Charlotte Antoinette de la Porte Mazarin
15 Louise Jeanne de Durfort aka: Duchesse de Mazarin
16 Louise d'Aumont de Mazarin et de la Meilleraye
+Honore IV de Monaco de Valentinois
17 Tancrede Florestan I de Monaco de Valentinois
+Caroline Gibert de Lametz
18 Charles III Honore de Monaco de Valentinois
+Antoinette de Merode
19 Albert I Honore de Monaco de Valentinois ref #: (BPci:1004)
+Mary Victoria Douglas-Hamilton ref #: BPci:1004
20 Louis II Honore Charles Antoine de Monaco
+Juliette Louvet
21 Charlotte Louise Juliette Louvet
+Pierre de Polignac
22 Prince Rainier III Grimaldi de Monaco
+Patricia Kelly aka: Grace Kelly
[5] Jean de Durfort and his sister Marguerite de Durfort have surviving descendants at present:
Dr. Otto von Habsburg, b.1912
Jean, Grand Duke of Luxemburg, b.1921
Charles Hugues, Duke of Parma, b.1930
Francois de Rochechouart, 15.Duc de Mortemart, b.1930
Franz, Duke of Bavaria, b.1933
Albert II, King of Belgium, b.1934
Anton, 13th Furst Esterhazy de Galantha, b.1936
Prince Vittorio Emanuele de Savoie, b.1937
Simeon II, King of Bulgaria, b.1937
Henri Jacques de Caumont, 14.Duc de la Force, b.1944
Hans Adam II, Furst von und zu Liechtenstein, b.1945
Princess Michael of Kent, b.1945
Duarte, Duke of Bragança, b.1945
Albert, 12th Furst von Thurn und Taxis, b.1983
L.P.H.,
Ann
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The efforts of the Ladies' Committee for the Beautification of the Resting Place of Our Lost Loved Ones (founded by me, though I must make it clear I am not responsible for the name) had improved the looks of the once desolate cemetery.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> I was interested to find that Richard de la Pole had a
> daughter. Do you know anything more about her?
> I gather Richard didn't marry. I quite like the
> idea that Geoffrey Chaucer may have descendants.
> (One of my pet peeves is when people say someone's family
> died out and they really only mean the male legitimate line).
Ann:
Geoffrey's only surviving son had an only daughter, the well-known Alice Chaucer. Alice has descendants living today through her daughter Anne de la Pole:
1 Geoffrey Chaucer
+Philippe de Röet
2 Thomas Chaucer
+Maud de Burgersh
3 Alice Chaucer
+Sir John Philep
+Sir Thomas de Montacute aka: 4th Earl of Salisbury
+Sir William de la Pole aka: 4th Earl of Suffolk
4 Anne de la Pole
+Gaillard IV de Durfort, Seigneur de Duras et de Blanquefort
son of Gaillard III de Durfort and Indie de La Lande
5 son: Jean de Durfort, Seigneur de Duras
died 12 April 1520
married (1) contract 13 December 1478
Jeanne Angevin, daughter of Bernard Angevin, Seigneur de Rauzan and Marguerite de Montferrand
died between 4 November 1502 and 25 June 1504
married (2) contract 9 May 1513
Catherine de Foix, daughter of Corbeyran de Foix and Jeanne de Le Roque
died after 1522
5 daughter: Marguerite de Durfort
+Jean de Saint-Gelais
6 Jeanne de Saint-Gelais
7 Gui I Chabot de Saint-Gelais
8 L'onor Chabot de Saint-Gelais
9 Charles Chabot
10 Henri Chabot aka: Duc de Rohan
+Marguerite de Rohan aka: Duchesse de Rohan
11 Anne Julie de Rohan-Chabot aka: Dame de Frontenay
12 Hercule M'riadec de Rohan aka: Duc de Rohan-Rohan
13 Louise Francoise de Rohan
14 Charlotte Antoinette de la Porte Mazarin
15 Louise Jeanne de Durfort aka: Duchesse de Mazarin
16 Louise d'Aumont de Mazarin et de la Meilleraye
+Honore IV de Monaco de Valentinois
17 Tancrede Florestan I de Monaco de Valentinois
+Caroline Gibert de Lametz
18 Charles III Honore de Monaco de Valentinois
+Antoinette de Merode
19 Albert I Honore de Monaco de Valentinois ref #: (BPci:1004)
+Mary Victoria Douglas-Hamilton ref #: BPci:1004
20 Louis II Honore Charles Antoine de Monaco
+Juliette Louvet
21 Charlotte Louise Juliette Louvet
+Pierre de Polignac
22 Prince Rainier III Grimaldi de Monaco
+Patricia Kelly aka: Grace Kelly
[5] Jean de Durfort and his sister Marguerite de Durfort have surviving descendants at present:
Dr. Otto von Habsburg, b.1912
Jean, Grand Duke of Luxemburg, b.1921
Charles Hugues, Duke of Parma, b.1930
Francois de Rochechouart, 15.Duc de Mortemart, b.1930
Franz, Duke of Bavaria, b.1933
Albert II, King of Belgium, b.1934
Anton, 13th Furst Esterhazy de Galantha, b.1936
Prince Vittorio Emanuele de Savoie, b.1937
Simeon II, King of Bulgaria, b.1937
Henri Jacques de Caumont, 14.Duc de la Force, b.1944
Hans Adam II, Furst von und zu Liechtenstein, b.1945
Princess Michael of Kent, b.1945
Duarte, Duke of Bragança, b.1945
Albert, 12th Furst von Thurn und Taxis, b.1983
L.P.H.,
Ann
axsc@...
http://mzbworks.home.att.net/ann.htm
The efforts of the Ladies' Committee for the Beautification of the Resting Place of Our Lost Loved Ones (founded by me, though I must make it clear I am not responsible for the name) had improved the looks of the once desolate cemetery.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[Richard III Society Forum] Re: Can you help? Yorkist genealogy and
2005-03-15 10:23:15
--- In , Helen Rowe
<sweethelly2003@y...> wrote:
>
>
> stephenmlark <smlark@t...> wrote:
>
> French sources claim that she was young Richard's daughter, he was
in
> exile in France and Italy for most of his adult life and she is the
> right age (fourteen or more) to marry when she did.
> I have her six children and some grandchildren documented from
> another Forum and can e-mail them if you have PowerPoint.
>
>
>
> Thank you about the offer but I'm not sure whether I have
PowerPoint or not. I know that sounds rather silly to say that. How
does one know?
>
> Do you have the MS Office Suite? Word, Excel, Access etc.
If so, you probably have PowerPoint.
Second, try receiving a PP attachment. If you can open it, you have
it.
>
>
> I share your views about supposedly extinct lines.
>
>
>
> Oh yes!
>
> Helen
>
>
>
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<sweethelly2003@y...> wrote:
>
>
> stephenmlark <smlark@t...> wrote:
>
> French sources claim that she was young Richard's daughter, he was
in
> exile in France and Italy for most of his adult life and she is the
> right age (fourteen or more) to marry when she did.
> I have her six children and some grandchildren documented from
> another Forum and can e-mail them if you have PowerPoint.
>
>
>
> Thank you about the offer but I'm not sure whether I have
PowerPoint or not. I know that sounds rather silly to say that. How
does one know?
>
> Do you have the MS Office Suite? Word, Excel, Access etc.
If so, you probably have PowerPoint.
Second, try receiving a PP attachment. If you can open it, you have
it.
>
>
> I share your views about supposedly extinct lines.
>
>
>
> Oh yes!
>
> Helen
>
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Re: Can you help? Yorkist genealogy
2005-03-16 07:19:28
stephenmlark <smlark@...> wrote:
> Do you have the MS Office Suite? Word, Excel, Access etc.
If so, you probably have PowerPoint.
Second, try receiving a PP attachment. If you can open it, you have
it.
Yes I do have MS Office Suite, Word so it would be nice to have the parts about Richard de la Pole's descendants. (Though my computer has been very temperamental in recent times so I'm not sure how it will go)
Helen
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> Do you have the MS Office Suite? Word, Excel, Access etc.
If so, you probably have PowerPoint.
Second, try receiving a PP attachment. If you can open it, you have
it.
Yes I do have MS Office Suite, Word so it would be nice to have the parts about Richard de la Pole's descendants. (Though my computer has been very temperamental in recent times so I'm not sure how it will go)
Helen
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Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Re: Can you help? Yorkist genealogy
2005-03-16 07:30:59
"Sharp, Ann (CGT)" <axsc@...> wrote:
Ann:
Geoffrey's only surviving son had an only daughter, the well-known Alice Chaucer. Alice has descendants living today through her daughter Anne de la Pole:
That was very interesting.
I have seen a few times writers stating that Chaucer's descendants died out so they should check their facts shouldn't they? Maybe they keep copying each other.
I heard the same things said about others for example the de Medicis and also a much later figure in Oliver Cromwell, also quite untrue!
If this is getting too far from our King, didn't he have a copy of Chaucer's Canterbury Tales among his library?
Helen
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Ann:
Geoffrey's only surviving son had an only daughter, the well-known Alice Chaucer. Alice has descendants living today through her daughter Anne de la Pole:
That was very interesting.
I have seen a few times writers stating that Chaucer's descendants died out so they should check their facts shouldn't they? Maybe they keep copying each other.
I heard the same things said about others for example the de Medicis and also a much later figure in Oliver Cromwell, also quite untrue!
If this is getting too far from our King, didn't he have a copy of Chaucer's Canterbury Tales among his library?
Helen
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Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Re: Can you help? Yorkist genealogy
2005-03-16 13:37:40
Hello, I have powerpoint and would be very interested in receiveing your information....many thanks Liz [mind you I have P.P but not the foggesit idea of how to use it, I shall have to get my son to sort it out for me....]
Helen Rowe <sweethelly2003@...> wrote:
stephenmlark <smlark@...> wrote:
> Do you have the MS Office Suite? Word, Excel, Access etc.
If so, you probably have PowerPoint.
Second, try receiving a PP attachment. If you can open it, you have
it.
Yes I do have MS Office Suite, Word so it would be nice to have the parts about Richard de la Pole's descendants. (Though my computer has been very temperamental in recent times so I'm not sure how it will go)
Helen
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Helen Rowe <sweethelly2003@...> wrote:
stephenmlark <smlark@...> wrote:
> Do you have the MS Office Suite? Word, Excel, Access etc.
If so, you probably have PowerPoint.
Second, try receiving a PP attachment. If you can open it, you have
it.
Yes I do have MS Office Suite, Word so it would be nice to have the parts about Richard de la Pole's descendants. (Though my computer has been very temperamental in recent times so I'm not sure how it will go)
Helen
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[Richard III Society Forum] Re: Can you help? Yorkist genealogy and
2007-08-01 19:14:13
WARNING: I am back on the Richard de la Pole case!
--- In , elizabeth Foley
<liz_foley1254@...> wrote:
>
> Hello, I have powerpoint and would be very interested in receiveing
your information....many thanks Liz [mind you I have P.P but not the
foggesit idea of how to use it, I shall have to get my son to sort it
out for me....]
>
> Helen Rowe <sweethelly2003@...> wrote:
>
> stephenmlark <smlark@...> wrote:
>
> > Do you have the MS Office Suite? Word, Excel, Access etc.
> If so, you probably have PowerPoint.
> Second, try receiving a PP attachment. If you can open it, you have
> it.
>
>
> Yes I do have MS Office Suite, Word so it would be nice to have the
parts about Richard de la Pole's descendants. (Though my computer has
been very temperamental in recent times so I'm not sure how it will
go)
>
> Helen
>
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--- In , elizabeth Foley
<liz_foley1254@...> wrote:
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> Hello, I have powerpoint and would be very interested in receiveing
your information....many thanks Liz [mind you I have P.P but not the
foggesit idea of how to use it, I shall have to get my son to sort it
out for me....]
>
> Helen Rowe <sweethelly2003@...> wrote:
>
> stephenmlark <smlark@...> wrote:
>
> > Do you have the MS Office Suite? Word, Excel, Access etc.
> If so, you probably have PowerPoint.
> Second, try receiving a PP attachment. If you can open it, you have
> it.
>
>
> Yes I do have MS Office Suite, Word so it would be nice to have the
parts about Richard de la Pole's descendants. (Though my computer has
been very temperamental in recent times so I'm not sure how it will
go)
>
> Helen
>
>
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