Does anyone recognize this source

On the Society's site, there is a brief account of Edward IV's 1475 French campaign, written by Livia Visser-Fuchs. She wrote: a German eyewitness recorded that 'on the Thursday, 31 August, the two brothers of the king of England came to Amiens and dined with the king in the morning'.I'd like to find where she found this, and none of her sources cited are obvious choices.Anyone here know?A JSources listed are:F.P. Barnard, Edward IV's French Expedition of 1475. The Leaders and their Badges, Oxford 1925, repr. Dursley 1975.J.R. Lander, 'The Hundred Years War and Edward IV's 1475 campaign in France', in Tudor Men and Institutions, ed. A.J. Slavin, Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 1972, pp. 70-100Charles Ross, Edward IV, London 1974, pt III, 9, 'The King's Great Enterprise, 1472-1475'.Cora L. Scofield, The Life and Reign of Edward the Fourth, 2 vols, London 1923, vol. 2, bk IV, 'England and France'.Anne F. Sutton and Livia Visser-Fuchs, 'Chivalry and the Yorkist kings', in St George's Chapel, Windsor, in the Fifteenth Century, ed. C. Richmond and E. Scarff, Windsor 2001, pp. 107-33.

Hi AJ I can help a bit by excluding Ross. He relies on Commines, who though he says a lot about the partying at Amiens doesn't mention the brothers until he says that Richard didn't attend the bridge ceremony. I find the term 'German' a bit odd for the fifteenth century. Sorry can't help any more H From: "ajhibbard@... []" <> To: Sent: Sunday, 3 September 2017, 21:31 Subject: Does anyone recognize this source
On the Society's site, there is a brief account of Edward IV's 1475 French campaign, written by Livia Visser-Fuchs. She wrote: a German eyewitness recorded that 'on the Thursday, 31 August, the two brothers of the king of England came to Amiens and dined with the king in the morning'.I'd like to find where she found this, and none of her sources cited are obvious choices.Anyone here know?A JSources listed are:F.P. Barnard, Edward IV's French Expedition of 1475. The Leaders and their Badges, Oxford 1925, repr. Dursley 1975.J.R. Lander, 'The Hundred Years War and Edward IV's 1475 campaign in France', in Tudor Men and Institutions, ed. A.J. Slavin, Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 1972, pp. 70-100Charles Ross, Edward IV, London 1974, pt III, 9, 'The King's Great Enterprise, 1472-1475'.Cora L. Scofield, The Life and Reign of Edward the Fourth, 2 vols, London 1923, vol. 2, bk IV, 'England and France'.Anne F. Sutton and Livia Visser-Fuchs, 'Chivalry and the Yorkist kings', in St George's Chapel, Windsor, in the Fifteenth Century, ed. C. Richmond and E. Scarff, Windsor 2001, pp. 107-33.

Thanks Hilary. It's not Barnard or Scofield either.A J On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:06 AM, Hilary Jones hjnatdat@... [] <> wrote:
 
Hi AJ I can help a bit by excluding Ross. He relies on Commines, who though he says a lot about the partying at Amiens doesn't mention the brothers until he says that Richard didn't attend the bridge ceremony. I find the term 'German' a bit odd for the fifteenth century.  Sorry can't help any more H From: "ajhibbard@... []" <@ yahoogroups.com> To: @ yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, 3 September 2017, 21:31 Subject: Does anyone recognize this source
 
On the Society's site, there is a brief account of Edward IV's 1475 French campaign, written by Livia Visser-Fuchs. She wrote: a German eyewitness recorded that 'on the Thursday, 31 August, the two brothers of the king of England came to Amiens and dined with the king in the morning'.I'd like to find where she found this, and none of her sources cited are obvious choices.Anyone here know?A JSources listed are:F.P. Barnard, Edward IV's French Expedition of 1475. The Leaders and their Badges, Oxford 1925, repr. Dursley 1975.J.R. Lander, 'The Hundred Years War and Edward IV's 1475 campaign in France', in Tudor Men and Institutions, ed. A.J. Slavin, Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 1972, pp. 70-100Charles Ross, Edward IV, London 1974, pt III, 9, 'The King's Great Enterprise, 1472-1475'.Cora L. Scofield, The Life and Reign of Edward the Fourth, 2 vols, London 1923, vol. 2, bk IV, 'England and France'.Anne F. Sutton and Livia Visser-Fuchs, 'Chivalry and the Yorkist kings', in St George's Chapel, Windsor, in the Fifteenth Century, ed. C. Richmond and E. Scarff, Windsor 2001, pp. 107-33.

Wherever he was from precisely, German could well have been his
native language, and if they actually talked in Latin, it wouldn't
have been necessary to delve down further. German was spoken from
the Baltic to Vienna, though the details of Hochdeutsch - the
non-dialect language - would have changed as one moved around.

Best wishes
Christine

On 05-Sep-17 10:06, Hilary Jones
hjnatdat@... [] wrote:
 
Hi AJ I can help
a bit by excluding Ross. He relies on Commines, who
though he says a lot about the partying at Amiens
doesn't mention the brothers until he says that
Richard didn't attend the bridge ceremony. I find the
term 'German' a bit odd for the fifteenth century.
 Sorry can't help any more H




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On
the Society's site, there is a brief
account of Edward IV's 1475 French
campaign, written by Livia
Visser-Fuchs. She wrote:

a German eyewitness recorded that 'on
the Thursday, 31 August, the two
brothers of the king of England came
to Amiens and dined with the king in
the morning'.

I'd like to find where she found this,
and none of her sources cited are
obvious choices.

Anyone here know?

A J

Sources listed are:

F.P.
Barnard, Edward
IV's French Expedition of 1475.
The Leaders and their Badges,
Oxford 1925, repr. Dursley 1975.
J.R.
Lander, 'The Hundred Years War and
Edward IV's 1475 campaign in
France', in Tudor Men and
Institutions, ed. A.J.
Slavin, Baton Rouge, Louisiana,
1972, pp. 70-100
Charles
Ross, Edward IV, London
1974, pt III, 9, 'The King's Great
Enterprise, 1472-1475'.
Cora
L. Scofield, The
Life and Reign of Edward the
Fourth, 2 vols, London 1923,
vol. 2, bk IV, 'England and France'.
Anne F. Sutton and Livia
Visser-Fuchs, 'Chivalry and the
Yorkist kings', in St George's
Chapel, Windsor, in the Fifteenth
Century, ed. C. Richmond and
E. Scarff, Windsor 2001, pp. 107-33.

Here's what I was able to track down.Basler Chroniken, Volume 2 (ed Wilhelm Vischer, Heinrich Boos)Basler ChronikenHerausgegebenvon der Historischen und Antiquarischen Gesellschaft in BaselZweiter BandErausgegeben durchWilhelm Vischer und Heinrich Boos.Laipzig. 1880.Johannis Knebel capellani ecclesiae Basiliensis diarium. Hans Knebels, des Kaplans am Munster zu Basel, Tagebuch. Sept. 1473Jun. 1476 & 1- 436https://books.google.com/books?id=AwxPAQAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=editions:cWiuZsB1Z2AC&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjbypjf6InWAhWB5YMKHcDKByE4ChDoAQgqMAA#v=snippet&q=clarence&f=false1475several pages before & after p 292 that seem to be dealing with Amiensp 293Frow, es ist wor dasz der kung von Engellandt mit sinene sweyn brudern, genant von Cerant und von Clocestre [der Herzoge George von Clarence und Richard von Glocester, der nachmalige Richard III.], mit 26000 strittbarer man zu besehen etlich bosz undertan des richs und sind kommen uber daw wasser do ine bisz uff 10 kleiner mile zu besehen den kung und mit gewalt zu uberkommen sin kungrichA J