Richard Duke of York

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I found this likeness of Richard Duke of York. The jaw is a dead ringer for King Richards on his facial reconstruction. Chip off the old block as we say. He was not illegitimate.

http://www.alamy.com/stock- photo-stained-glass-windows- depicting-richard-duke-of- york-and-king-edward-55636681. html.
I found this likeness of Richard Duke of York. The jaw is a dead ringer for King Richards on his facial reconstruction. Chip off the old block as we say. He was not illegitimate.

I just thought the similarity was uncanny. Richards portraits do not show it so how could later artists have bit knit so well unless they had a pretty accurate image?

Karen, I thought the same thing about the jaw, but then I realized the age of the stained glass. However, do we know what research the artist did, or what resources were used in forming the image? There is a 15th century illumination or illustration in a book somewhere, members of the forum may know what I'm talking about, that is alleged to be Richard III. I'll try to dig it up.

Becky
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:48 AM, Karen O karenoder4@... [] <@ yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

http://www.alamy.com/stock-pho to-stained-glass-windows-depic ting-richard-duke-of-york-and- king-edward-55636681.html.
I found this likeness of Richard Duke of York. The jaw is a dead ringer for King Richards on his facial reconstruction. Chip off the old block as we say. He was not illegitimate.

I just thought the similarity was uncanny. Richards portraits do not show it so how could later artists have bit knit so well unless they had a pretty accurate image?

Karen, I thought the same thing about the jaw, but then I realized the age of the stained glass. However, do we know what research the artist did, or what resources were used in forming the image? There is a 15th century illumination or illustration in a book somewhere, members of the forum may know what I'm talking about, that is alleged to be Richard III. I'll try to dig it up.

Becky
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:48 AM, Karen O karenoder4@... [] <@yahoog roups.com> wrote:
 

http://www.alamy.com/stock-pho to-stained-glass-windows-depic ting-richard-duke-of-york-and- king-edward-55636681.html.
I found this likeness of Richard Duke of York. The jaw is a dead ringer for King Richards on his facial reconstruction. Chip off the old block as we say. He was not illegitimate.

I don't think it like one like Richards portraits at all. It looked like like his reconstructed face.

I'm thinking the same. There might have been some image floating around we are not aware of. And I am guessing the Duke of York portrait might have been designed to look like the image of his son. But that is just a wild guess.

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Karen O karenoder4@... [] <@ yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

I just thought the similarity was uncanny. Richards portraits do not show it so how could later artists have bit knit so well unless they had a pretty accurate image?

Karen, I thought the same thing about the jaw, but then I realized the age of the stained glass. However, do we know what research the artist did, or what resources were used in forming the image? There is a 15th century illumination or illustration in a book somewhere, members of the forum may know what I'm talking about, that is alleged to be Richard III. I'll try to dig it up.

Becky
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:48 AM, Karen O karenoder4@... [] <@yahoog roups.com> wrote:
 

http://www.alamy.com/stock-pho to-stained-glass-windows-depic ting-richard-duke-of-york-and- king-edward-55636681.html.
I found this likeness of Richard Duke of York. The jaw is a dead ringer for King Richards on his facial reconstruction. Chip off the old block as we say. He was not illegitimate.

I don't think it like one like Richards portraits at all. It looked like like his reconstructed face.

I'm thinking the same. There might have been some image floating around we are not aware of. And I am guessing the Duke of York portrait might have been designed to look like the image of his son. But that is just a wild guess.

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Karen O karenoder4@... [] <@yahoog roups.com> wrote:
 

I just thought the similarity was uncanny. Richards portraits do not show it so how could later artists have bit knit so well unless they had a pretty accurate image?

Karen, I thought the same thing about the jaw, but then I realized the age of the stained glass. However, do we know what research the artist did, or what resources were used in forming the image? There is a 15th century illumination or illustration in a book somewhere, members of the forum may know what I'm talking about, that is alleged to be Richard III. I'll try to dig it up.

Becky
On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:48 AM, Karen O karenoder4@... [] <@yahoog roups.com> wrote:
 

http://www.alamy.com/stock-pho to-stained-glass-windows-depic ting-richard-duke-of-york-and- king-edward-55636681.html.
I found this likeness of Richard Duke of York. The jaw is a dead ringer for King Richards on his facial reconstruction. Chip off the old block as we say. He was not illegitimate.

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"I'm thinking the same. There might have been some image floating around we are not aware of. And I am guessing the Duke of York portrait might have been designed to look like the image of his son. But that is just a wild guess."

Carol responds:

There's an image of him from the 1445 Talbot Shrewsbury Book at Wikipedia--not very well drawn, but it shows him as blond and the clothes are probably authentic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Richard_of_York,_3rd_Duke_of_ York#/media/File:Richard_of_ York_Talbot_Shrewsbury_Book. jpeg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Richard_of_York,_3rd_Duke_of_ York#/media/File:Richard_of_ York_Talbot_Shrewsbury_Book. jpeg

The only other "portrait" I know of is the ghastly black-and-white drawing depicting him with an anachronistic two-pronged beard. I think it's eighteenth century though I can't seem to find a date for it--certainly not contemporary. ttp://www.luminarium.org/ encyclopedia/richardyork.htm

You'll need to cut and paste the URLs as I didn't want the entire articles to show up.

Carol

There's also this contemporary representation of York from Cirencester parish church:

http://www.freerangephotography.co.uk/p306234865/h1EE6DFA1#h1ee6dfa1

Rebecca,you are welcome!
By the way I found out about the article I mentioned yesterday. It was in fact a short summery of an article advertised in The Ricardian Volume XXVI, page 173. I quote:"When Strutt and his imitators searched for a figure that answered their imaginary idea of what a villainous Richard looked like they chose, by chance, the knave of cards! They did not find a portrait of the historical Richard."
And ever since,for over 200 hundred years, nobody took the trouble to question this. I have a couple of books
that say like."the figure on the left with the Garter on his leg has been identified(sic) as Richard of Gloucester".
The article is written by Sutton and Visser-Fuchs, two historians I highly apreciate for their meticulous research and their sensible conclusions.
Eva

In several sketches of Richard I have seen he had sorta puffy curly hair. I presume he curled it. This is the "do" we see in The White Queen. It's odd thinking of him with curl rags but maybe it was natural. Anne's hair looks brown or Auburn..

Well thank you again for that extra information! 

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On Feb 4, 2017, at 3:28 AM, eva.pitter@... [] <@ yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Rebecca,you are welcome!
By the way I found out about the article I mentioned yesterday. It was in fact a short summery of an article advertised in The Ricardian Volume XXVI, page 173. I quote:"When Strutt and his imitators searched for a figure that answered their imaginary idea of what a villainous Richard looked like they chose, by chance, the knave of cards! They did not find a portrait of the historical Richard."
And ever since,for over 200 hundred years, nobody took the trouble to question this. I have a couple of books
that say like."the figure on the left with the Garter on his leg has been identified(sic) as Richard of Gloucester".
The article is written by Sutton and Visser-Fuchs, two historians I highly apreciate for their meticulous  research and their sensible conclusions.
Eva