coats of arms etc

There is a book called Shakespeare's Heraldry, produced as an aid for
putting on his plays, which gives the coats of arms for all the
characters who would be expected to have them displayed in the
productions.

I have a copy around here somewhere. Which coats of arms were people
interested in?

Katy

I would be very interested!

I'm presently compiling a set of cards for the kingmaker game, which
involves depicting all the coats of arms used by the nobility from 1453
onwards.

You can see my cards under "Advanced Kingmaker" on the following link:

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/avalonhillskingmakerclub/files

I'm particularly interested in the various quartering of arms used in
the period which are hard to track down, as the English nobility had
only just adopted the fashion.

One coat I cannot find is the arms used by Edward IV as Earl of March,
as lists invariably give "France and England quarterly" undifferenced
for his arms as King.




--- In , oregonkaty
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
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> There is a book called Shakespeare's Heraldry, produced as an aid for
> putting on his plays, which gives the coats of arms for all the
> characters who would be expected to have them displayed in the
> productions.
>
> I have a copy around here somewhere. Which coats of arms were people
> interested in?
>
> Katy
>

--- In , "theblackprussian"
<theblackprussian@y...> wrote:
>
> I would be very interested!
>
> I'm particularly interested in the various quartering of arms used
in
> the period which are hard to track down, as the English nobility
had
> only just adopted the fashion.
>
> One coat I cannot find is the arms used by Edward IV as Earl of
March,
> as lists invariably give "France and England quarterly"
undifferenced
> for his arms as King.


I'll take a look...as soon as I locate the book.


Katy
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> --- In , oregonkaty
> <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> >
> > There is a book called Shakespeare's Heraldry, produced as an aid
for
> > putting on his plays, which gives the coats of arms for all the
> > characters who would be expected to have them displayed in the
> > productions.
> >
> > I have a copy around here somewhere. Which coats of arms were
people
> > interested in?
> >
> > Katy
> >
>

Thank you for your very kind offer of a look up Katy.
I would be very interested in a description of the (de) GREY family's coat of arms.
John Grey (d.1461) m. Elizabeth Woodville - issue Thomas Grey (Marquis of Dorset) and Richard Grey.

Kind regards
Roslyn

oregonkaty <[email protected]> wrote:
There is a book called Shakespeare's Heraldry, produced as an aid for
putting on his plays, which gives the coats of arms for all the
characters who would be expected to have them displayed in the
productions.

I have a copy around here somewhere. Which coats of arms were people
interested in?

Katy





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Roslyn:


Elizabeth Grey, widow of Sir John Grey, Lord Ferrers of Groby,
bore the arms of Grey(Barry of six pieces, Argent and Azure, in
chief three roundles Gules, a lable of three points, Ermine)
impaling Widville, Argent, a fess and canton Gules.
The arms for Thomas Grey, Masrquess of Dorset were Barry of
six pieces Argent and Azure, in chief three roundles Gules, and over
all a label of three points Ermine. Richard Grey would have the same
arms only with a crescent(no mention of color)as a mark of cadency.
Dorset's badge was an Ermine unicorn, armed and langed Or.

Oh, I hope you speak heraldese and know the lingo, etc.


"Meek"


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i have access to a dictionary of heraldric terms. for the most part i can read/understand what you have shared.
in fact langed is the only term i will need to look up.
sincere thank you's.
roslyn

"L. Miller" <pvtmeek@...> wrote:

Roslyn:


Elizabeth Grey, widow of Sir John Grey, Lord Ferrers of Groby,
bore the arms of Grey(Barry of six pieces, Argent and Azure, in
chief three roundles Gules, a lable of three points, Ermine)
impaling Widville, Argent, a fess and canton Gules.
The arms for Thomas Grey, Masrquess of Dorset were Barry of
six pieces Argent and Azure, in chief three roundles Gules, and over
all a label of three points Ermine. Richard Grey would have the same
arms only with a crescent(no mention of color)as a mark of cadency.
Dorset's badge was an Ermine unicorn, armed and langed Or.

Oh, I hope you speak heraldese and know the lingo, etc.


"Meek"


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Apologies to those unable to access the Kingmaker site. I will try
to post the coats of arms somewhere else soon.
Meanwhile for those interested in the Grey geneology try the Tudor
place site:

http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/GREY3.htm


--- In , "L. Miller"
<pvtmeek@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Roslyn:
>
>
> Elizabeth Grey, widow of Sir John Grey, Lord Ferrers of
Groby,
> bore the arms of Grey(Barry of six pieces, Argent and Azure, in
> chief three roundles Gules, a lable of three points, Ermine)
> impaling Widville, Argent, a fess and canton Gules.
> The arms for Thomas Grey, Masrquess of Dorset were Barry of
> six pieces Argent and Azure, in chief three roundles Gules, and
over
> all a label of three points Ermine. Richard Grey would have the
same
> arms only with a crescent(no mention of color)as a mark of cadency.
> Dorset's badge was an Ermine unicorn, armed and langed Or.
>
> Oh, I hope you speak heraldese and know the lingo, etc.
>
>
> "Meek"
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another good place to search for genealogy is www.rootsweb.com HOWEVER
make sure the gedcoms you access are sourced/notes. ones that quote the cp aka complete peerage to verify are good. the ancestral file AFX ones - be very skeptical of.

also at the bottom of every page, when you have found a person of interest..click on search worldconnect..for more listings of the same name person. narrow done the hits by putting in pertinent data, i.e. birth/death/marriage spouse parents etc.
when using dates, i often use +/-5 years or +/-20 years.

with a bit of practice and experimenting you can get quite good at sorting out the wheat from the chaff.

the most important thing is get the accepted verified sources.

the tudor place is good, but does have some errors. i.e. joan ashley is joan asteley/astley

roslyn

theblackprussian <theblackprussian@...> wrote:
Apologies to those unable to access the Kingmaker site. I will try
to post the coats of arms somewhere else soon.
Meanwhile for those interested in the Grey geneology try the Tudor
place site:

http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/GREY3.htm


--- In , "L. Miller"
<pvtmeek@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Roslyn:
>
>
> Elizabeth Grey, widow of Sir John Grey, Lord Ferrers of
Groby,
> bore the arms of Grey(Barry of six pieces, Argent and Azure, in
> chief three roundles Gules, a lable of three points, Ermine)
> impaling Widville, Argent, a fess and canton Gules.
> The arms for Thomas Grey, Masrquess of Dorset were Barry of
> six pieces Argent and Azure, in chief three roundles Gules, and
over
> all a label of three points Ermine. Richard Grey would have the
same
> arms only with a crescent(no mention of color)as a mark of cadency.
> Dorset's badge was an Ermine unicorn, armed and langed Or.
>
> Oh, I hope you speak heraldese and know the lingo, etc.
>
>
> "Meek"
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>






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