Don't Know Much About History

Don't feel bad about your fellow citizens not knowing about your
history. A recent survey here in the states showed that more people
knew the names of the cartoon characters on the long-running TV
show "The Simpsons" than knew the names of the signers of the
Declaration of Independence.
It always surprises me since I have loved history from my earliest
days. I can't understand why folks will watch soap operas for hours
on end but say that history is so boring. It is the greatest soap
opera there is!!!:-)
Maybe it is the presentation in schools.....

L.M.L.,
Janet

Agree wholeheartly, it is a long time since I was at school, yep they made History so BORING that one did not even bother to get involved, all I remember was learning about the INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION which to a teenager was totally a no go area, especially when the teenagers were thinking of dancing and things......it was not until I was in my 20's and expecting my first baby that I picked up a book from the library [because during that time and even now I was a nocturnal person] about Henry V111 that my love of History really started, it now literally takes over my life and I have to say that I love this site and class everyone on it as a friend [even though I do not email much, I read the mails everyday] again many thanks for all your mails and info., that gives me more info., to see/feel everyday..........Regards Liz

Janet <forevere@...> wrote: Don't feel bad about your fellow citizens not knowing about your
history. A recent survey here in the states showed that more people
knew the names of the cartoon characters on the long-running TV
show "The Simpsons" than knew the names of the signers of the
Declaration of Independence.
It always surprises me since I have loved history from my earliest
days. I can't understand why folks will watch soap operas for hours
on end but say that history is so boring. It is the greatest soap
opera there is!!!:-)
Maybe it is the presentation in schools.....

L.M.L.,
Janet





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Well considering the importance history courses place on the 20th
century these days it appals me when a show like 'Star Trek' has to
explain who the Nazis were when they are mentioned in a script.
As for history teaching, I guess it all depends on the teachers. Mine
were terrific except for one, the one who for a year tried to make
Economic History interesting. He clearly didn't find it particularly
interesting himself, and that came across to his pupils. I retained
little of it. But the next year I was onto the Civil War in England,
the rise of Louis XVI in France, the 30 Years War, Spanish Empire
building, and as a Special Subject for myself, the French Revolution.
No wonder I did well in my exams with such exciting subjects!
Paul

On 31 Mar 2006, at 13:46, elizabeth Foley wrote:

> Agree wholeheartly, it is a long time since I was at school, yep
> they made History so BORING that one did not even bother to get
> involved, all I remember was learning about the INDUSTRIAL
> REVOLUTION which to a teenager was totally a no go area,
> especially when the teenagers were thinking of dancing and
> things......it was not until I was in my 20's and expecting my
> first baby that I picked up a book from the library [because
> during that time and even now I was a nocturnal person] about
> Henry V111 that my love of History really started, it now
> literally takes over my life and I have to say that I love this
> site and class everyone on it as a friend [even though I do not
> email much, I read the mails everyday] again many thanks for all
> your mails and info., that gives me more info., to see/feel
> everyday..........Regards Liz
>
> Janet <forevere@...> wrote: Don't feel bad about
> your fellow citizens not knowing about your
> history. A recent survey here in the states showed that more people
> knew the names of the cartoon characters on the long-running TV
> show "The Simpsons" than knew the names of the signers of the
> Declaration of Independence.
> It always surprises me since I have loved history from my
> earliest
> days. I can't understand why folks will watch soap operas for hours
> on end but say that history is so boring. It is the greatest soap
> opera there is!!!:-)
> Maybe it is the presentation in schools.....
>
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> Janet
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Just watched a tv quiz in which one of the questions was 'The Oregon
Trail that helped open up the American West in the 19th century
crossed which famous mountain range?' The answer came 'The
Himalayas'. It appears it is not just history people don't know much
about, but geography too!
Paul

On 31 Mar 2006, at 14:14, Paul Trevor Bale wrote:

> Well considering the importance history courses place on the 20th
> century these days it appals me when a show like 'Star Trek' has to
> explain who the Nazis were when they are mentioned in a script.
> As for history teaching, I guess it all depends on the teachers. Mine
> were terrific except for one, the one who for a year tried to make
> Economic History interesting. He clearly didn't find it particularly
> interesting himself, and that came across to his pupils. I retained
> little of it. But the next year I was onto the Civil War in England,
> the rise of Louis XVI in France, the 30 Years War, Spanish Empire
> building, and as a Special Subject for myself, the French Revolution.
> No wonder I did well in my exams with such exciting subjects!
> Paul
>
> On 31 Mar 2006, at 13:46, elizabeth Foley wrote:
>
>> Agree wholeheartly, it is a long time since I was at school, yep
>> they made History so BORING that one did not even bother to get
>> involved, all I remember was learning about the INDUSTRIAL
>> REVOLUTION which to a teenager was totally a no go area,
>> especially when the teenagers were thinking of dancing and
>> things......it was not until I was in my 20's and expecting my
>> first baby that I picked up a book from the library [because
>> during that time and even now I was a nocturnal person] about
>> Henry V111 that my love of History really started, it now
>> literally takes over my life and I have to say that I love this
>> site and class everyone on it as a friend [even though I do not
>> email much, I read the mails everyday] again many thanks for all
>> your mails and info., that gives me more info., to see/feel
>> everyday..........Regards Liz
>>
>> Janet <forevere@...> wrote: Don't feel bad about
>> your fellow citizens not knowing about your
>> history. A recent survey here in the states showed that more
>> people
>> knew the names of the cartoon characters on the long-running TV
>> show "The Simpsons" than knew the names of the signers of the
>> Declaration of Independence.
>> It always surprises me since I have loved history from my
>> earliest
>> days. I can't understand why folks will watch soap operas for
>> hours
>> on end but say that history is so boring. It is the greatest soap
>> opera there is!!!:-)
>> Maybe it is the presentation in schools.....
>>
>> L.M.L.,
>> Janet
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You mean it wasn't the Himalayas, Paul?

Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
> Just watched a tv quiz in which one of the questions was 'The Oregon
> Trail that helped open up the American West in the 19th century
> crossed which famous mountain range?' The answer came 'The
> Himalayas'. It appears it is not just history people don't know much
> about, but geography too!
> Paul
>
> On 31 Mar 2006, at 14:14, Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
>
> > Well considering the importance history courses place on the 20th
> > century these days it appals me when a show like 'Star Trek' has to
> > explain who the Nazis were when they are mentioned in a script.
> > As for history teaching, I guess it all depends on the teachers. Mine
> > were terrific except for one, the one who for a year tried to make
> > Economic History interesting. He clearly didn't find it particularly
> > interesting himself, and that came across to his pupils. I retained
> > little of it. But the next year I was onto the Civil War in England,
> > the rise of Louis XVI in France, the 30 Years War, Spanish Empire
> > building, and as a Special Subject for myself, the French Revolution.
> > No wonder I did well in my exams with such exciting subjects!
> > Paul
> >
> > On 31 Mar 2006, at 13:46, elizabeth Foley wrote:
> >
> >> Agree wholeheartly, it is a long time since I was at school, yep
> >> they made History so BORING that one did not even bother to get
> >> involved, all I remember was learning about the INDUSTRIAL
> >> REVOLUTION which to a teenager was totally a no go area,
> >> especially when the teenagers were thinking of dancing and
> >> things......it was not until I was in my 20's and expecting my
> >> first baby that I picked up a book from the library [because
> >> during that time and even now I was a nocturnal person] about
> >> Henry V111 that my love of History really started, it now
> >> literally takes over my life and I have to say that I love this
> >> site and class everyone on it as a friend [even though I do not
> >> email much, I read the mails everyday] again many thanks for all
> >> your mails and info., that gives me more info., to see/feel
> >> everyday..........Regards Liz
> >>
> >> Janet <forevere@...> wrote: Don't feel bad about
> >> your fellow citizens not knowing about your
> >> history. A recent survey here in the states showed that more
> >> people
> >> knew the names of the cartoon characters on the long-running TV
> >> show "The Simpsons" than knew the names of the signers of the
> >> Declaration of Independence.
> >> It always surprises me since I have loved history from my
> >> earliest
> >> days. I can't understand why folks will watch soap operas for
> >> hours
> >> on end but say that history is so boring. It is the greatest soap
> >> opera there is!!!:-)
> >> Maybe it is the presentation in schools.....
> >>
> >> L.M.L.,
> >> Janet
> >>
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oh..bill i'm so surprised you didn't realise they are the northern andes.

the himalayas are on another continent somewhere nearer to the alps than we are...:-))

roslyn living near-ish the san andres fault line..where the land rocks n rolls.

Bill Barber <bbarber@...> wrote:
You mean it wasn't the Himalayas, Paul?

Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
> Just watched a tv quiz in which one of the questions was 'The Oregon
> Trail that helped open up the American West in the 19th century
> crossed which famous mountain range?' The answer came 'The
> Himalayas'. It appears it is not just history people don't know much
> about, but geography too!
> Paul
>
> On 31 Mar 2006, at 14:14, Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
>
> > Well considering the importance history courses place on the 20th
> > century these days it appals me when a show like 'Star Trek' has to
> > explain who the Nazis were when they are mentioned in a script.
> > As for history teaching, I guess it all depends on the teachers. Mine
> > were terrific except for one, the one who for a year tried to make
> > Economic History interesting. He clearly didn't find it particularly
> > interesting himself, and that came across to his pupils. I retained
> > little of it. But the next year I was onto the Civil War in England,
> > the rise of Louis XVI in France, the 30 Years War, Spanish Empire
> > building, and as a Special Subject for myself, the French Revolution.
> > No wonder I did well in my exams with such exciting subjects!
> > Paul
> >
> > On 31 Mar 2006, at 13:46, elizabeth Foley wrote:
> >
> >> Agree wholeheartly, it is a long time since I was at school, yep
> >> they made History so BORING that one did not even bother to get
> >> involved, all I remember was learning about the INDUSTRIAL
> >> REVOLUTION which to a teenager was totally a no go area,
> >> especially when the teenagers were thinking of dancing and
> >> things......it was not until I was in my 20's and expecting my
> >> first baby that I picked up a book from the library [because
> >> during that time and even now I was a nocturnal person] about
> >> Henry V111 that my love of History really started, it now
> >> literally takes over my life and I have to say that I love this
> >> site and class everyone on it as a friend [even though I do not
> >> email much, I read the mails everyday] again many thanks for all
> >> your mails and info., that gives me more info., to see/feel
> >> everyday..........Regards Liz
> >>
> >> Janet <forevere@...> wrote: Don't feel bad about
> >> your fellow citizens not knowing about your
> >> history. A recent survey here in the states showed that more
> >> people
> >> knew the names of the cartoon characters on the long-running TV
> >> show "The Simpsons" than knew the names of the signers of the
> >> Declaration of Independence.
> >> It always surprises me since I have loved history from my
> >> earliest
> >> days. I can't understand why folks will watch soap operas for
> >> hours
> >> on end but say that history is so boring. It is the greatest soap
> >> opera there is!!!:-)
> >> Maybe it is the presentation in schools.....
> >>
> >> L.M.L.,
> >> Janet
> >>
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I was taught history in the 1970s at school. In those days it was history without people if you can believe it. It was all movements and the flow of history. If you can see what I mean. I mightn't be explaining myself very well.

The Industrial Revolution could be interesting if one concentrated more of the effect on indidivuals instead of graphs and tables.

A couple of my teachers seen to be very reluctant to even mention anyone by name. Strange.

One project I did do well on in Year 11 was an option I did on the Suffragettes, Yes, people who made a change. Also a very different person, a project on Hitler's childhood.

As a teeanger my fascination with history came from reading novels. Yes, mostly Jean Plaidy I am afraid. I might see them as rubbishy now but at the time I enjoyed them. Still they awoke my interest in history.

Oh here in Australia too there are complaints that people don't know enough of their history.

I think it was only in the last say forty years that Australian History really started to be taught much.

Then we have the "History Wars" arguments, denials and guilt about the history of the treatment of the Indigenous Peoples.

In the much earlier days there was the uneasiness with the first European settlers being convicts. Now, of cause, people are delighted to have a convict ancestor especially first fleeters.

Helen

Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote:
Well considering the importance history courses place on the 20th
century these days it appals me when a show like 'Star Trek' has to
explain who the Nazis were when they are mentioned in a script.
As for history teaching, I guess it all depends on the teachers. Mine
were terrific except for one, the one who for a year tried to make
Economic History interesting. He clearly didn't find it particularly
interesting himself, and that came across to his pupils. I retained
little of it. But the next year I was onto the Civil War in England,
the rise of Louis XVI in France, the 30 Years War, Spanish Empire
building, and as a Special Subject for myself, the French Revolution.
No wonder I did well in my exams with such exciting subjects!
Paul

On 31 Mar 2006, at 13:46, elizabeth Foley wrote:

> Agree wholeheartly, it is a long time since I was at school, yep
> they made History so BORING that one did not even bother to get
> involved, all I remember was learning about the INDUSTRIAL
> REVOLUTION which to a teenager was totally a no go area,
> especially when the teenagers were thinking of dancing and
> things......it was not until I was in my 20's and expecting my
> first baby that I picked up a book from the library [because
> during that time and even now I was a nocturnal person] about
> Henry V111 that my love of History really started, it now
> literally takes over my life and I have to say that I love this
> site and class everyone on it as a friend [even though I do not
> email much, I read the mails everyday] again many thanks for all
> your mails and info., that gives me more info., to see/feel
> everyday..........Regards Liz
>
> Janet <forevere@...> wrote: Don't feel bad about
> your fellow citizens not knowing about your
> history. A recent survey here in the states showed that more people
> knew the names of the cartoon characters on the long-running TV
> show "The Simpsons" than knew the names of the signers of the
> Declaration of Independence.
> It always surprises me since I have loved history from my
> earliest
> days. I can't understand why folks will watch soap operas for hours
> on end but say that history is so boring. It is the greatest soap
> opera there is!!!:-)
> Maybe it is the presentation in schools.....
>
> L.M.L.,
> Janet
>
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You ARE a spy from the Henry Tudor Appreciation Society then? I knew it!
Paul

On 31 Mar 2006, at 22:36, Bill Barber wrote:

> You mean it wasn't the Himalayas, Paul?
>
> Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
>> Just watched a tv quiz in which one of the questions was 'The Oregon
>> Trail that helped open up the American West in the 19th century
>> crossed which famous mountain range?' The answer came 'The
>> Himalayas'. It appears it is not just history people don't know much
>> about, but geography too!
>> Paul
>>
>> On 31 Mar 2006, at 14:14, Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
>>
>>> Well considering the importance history courses place on the 20th
>>> century these days it appals me when a show like 'Star Trek' has to
>>> explain who the Nazis were when they are mentioned in a script.
>>> As for history teaching, I guess it all depends on the teachers.
>>> Mine
>>> were terrific except for one, the one who for a year tried to make
>>> Economic History interesting. He clearly didn't find it particularly
>>> interesting himself, and that came across to his pupils. I retained
>>> little of it. But the next year I was onto the Civil War in England,
>>> the rise of Louis XVI in France, the 30 Years War, Spanish Empire
>>> building, and as a Special Subject for myself, the French
>>> Revolution.
>>> No wonder I did well in my exams with such exciting subjects!
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On 31 Mar 2006, at 13:46, elizabeth Foley wrote:
>>>
>>>> Agree wholeheartly, it is a long time since I was at school, yep
>>>> they made History so BORING that one did not even bother to get
>>>> involved, all I remember was learning about the INDUSTRIAL
>>>> REVOLUTION which to a teenager was totally a no go area,
>>>> especially when the teenagers were thinking of dancing and
>>>> things......it was not until I was in my 20's and expecting my
>>>> first baby that I picked up a book from the library [because
>>>> during that time and even now I was a nocturnal person] about
>>>> Henry V111 that my love of History really started, it now
>>>> literally takes over my life and I have to say that I love this
>>>> site and class everyone on it as a friend [even though I do not
>>>> email much, I read the mails everyday] again many thanks for all
>>>> your mails and info., that gives me more info., to see/feel
>>>> everyday..........Regards Liz
>>>>
>>>> Janet <forevere@...> wrote: Don't feel bad about
>>>> your fellow citizens not knowing about your
>>>> history. A recent survey here in the states showed that more
>>>> people
>>>> knew the names of the cartoon characters on the long-running TV
>>>> show "The Simpsons" than knew the names of the signers of the
>>>> Declaration of Independence.
>>>> It always surprises me since I have loved history from my
>>>> earliest
>>>> days. I can't understand why folks will watch soap operas for
>>>> hours
>>>> on end but say that history is so boring. It is the greatest
>>>> soap
>>>> opera there is!!!:-)
>>>> Maybe it is the presentation in schools.....
>>>>
>>>> L.M.L.,
>>>> Janet
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Ouch! That really hurt!

Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
> You ARE a spy from the Henry Tudor Appreciation Society then? I knew it!
> Paul
>
> On 31 Mar 2006, at 22:36, Bill Barber wrote:
>
> > You mean it wasn't the Himalayas, Paul?
> >
> > Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
> >> Just watched a tv quiz in which one of the questions was 'The Oregon
> >> Trail that helped open up the American West in the 19th century
> >> crossed which famous mountain range?' The answer came 'The
> >> Himalayas'. It appears it is not just history people don't know much
> >> about, but geography too!
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> On 31 Mar 2006, at 14:14, Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
> >>
> >>> Well considering the importance history courses place on the 20th
> >>> century these days it appals me when a show like 'Star Trek' has to
> >>> explain who the Nazis were when they are mentioned in a script.
> >>> As for history teaching, I guess it all depends on the teachers.
> >>> Mine
> >>> were terrific except for one, the one who for a year tried to make
> >>> Economic History interesting. He clearly didn't find it particularly
> >>> interesting himself, and that came across to his pupils. I retained
> >>> little of it. But the next year I was onto the Civil War in England,
> >>> the rise of Louis XVI in France, the 30 Years War, Spanish Empire
> >>> building, and as a Special Subject for myself, the French
> >>> Revolution.
> >>> No wonder I did well in my exams with such exciting subjects!
> >>> Paul
> >>>
> >>> On 31 Mar 2006, at 13:46, elizabeth Foley wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Agree wholeheartly, it is a long time since I was at school, yep
> >>>> they made History so BORING that one did not even bother to get
> >>>> involved, all I remember was learning about the INDUSTRIAL
> >>>> REVOLUTION which to a teenager was totally a no go area,
> >>>> especially when the teenagers were thinking of dancing and
> >>>> things......it was not until I was in my 20's and expecting my
> >>>> first baby that I picked up a book from the library [because
> >>>> during that time and even now I was a nocturnal person] about
> >>>> Henry V111 that my love of History really started, it now
> >>>> literally takes over my life and I have to say that I love this
> >>>> site and class everyone on it as a friend [even though I do not
> >>>> email much, I read the mails everyday] again many thanks for all
> >>>> your mails and info., that gives me more info., to see/feel
> >>>> everyday..........Regards Liz
> >>>>
> >>>> Janet <forevere@...> wrote: Don't feel bad about
> >>>> your fellow citizens not knowing about your
> >>>> history. A recent survey here in the states showed that more
> >>>> people
> >>>> knew the names of the cartoon characters on the long-running TV
> >>>> show "The Simpsons" than knew the names of the signers of the
> >>>> Declaration of Independence.
> >>>> It always surprises me since I have loved history from my
> >>>> earliest
> >>>> days. I can't understand why folks will watch soap operas for
> >>>> hours
> >>>> on end but say that history is so boring. It is the greatest
> >>>> soap
> >>>> opera there is!!!:-)
> >>>> Maybe it is the presentation in schools.....
> >>>>
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> >>>> Janet
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I think that, for a long time, it was assumed that those of us who lived
in 'the colonies' simply didn't have histories worth celebrating. I was
actually told that Canada didn't have a history by a very British
history professor during my first university year (Simon Fraser, 1966,
Roslyn).

I assume that you were told something similar about Australian history,
Helen? We were always under the shadow of 'The Mother Country'.

Helen Rowe wrote:
> I was taught history in the 1970s at school. In those days it was
> history without people if you can believe it. It was all movements and
> the flow of history. If you can see what I mean. I mightn't be
> explaining myself very well.
>
> The Industrial Revolution could be interesting if one concentrated
> more of the effect on indidivuals instead of graphs and tables.
>
> A couple of my teachers seen to be very reluctant to even mention
> anyone by name. Strange.
>
> One project I did do well on in Year 11 was an option I did on the
> Suffragettes, Yes, people who made a change. Also a very different
> person, a project on Hitler's childhood.
>
> As a teeanger my fascination with history came from reading novels.
> Yes, mostly Jean Plaidy I am afraid. I might see them as rubbishy now
> but at the time I enjoyed them. Still they awoke my interest in history.
>
> Oh here in Australia too there are complaints that people don't know
> enough of their history.
>
> I think it was only in the last say forty years that Australian
> History really started to be taught much.
>
> Then we have the "History Wars" arguments, denials and guilt about
> the history of the treatment of the Indigenous Peoples.
>
> In the much earlier days there was the uneasiness with the first
> European settlers being convicts. Now, of cause, people are delighted
> to have a convict ancestor especially first fleeters.
>
> Helen
>
> Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote:
> Well considering the importance history courses place on the 20th
> century these days it appals me when a show like 'Star Trek' has to
> explain who the Nazis were when they are mentioned in a script.
> As for history teaching, I guess it all depends on the teachers. Mine
> were terrific except for one, the one who for a year tried to make
> Economic History interesting. He clearly didn't find it particularly
> interesting himself, and that came across to his pupils. I retained
> little of it. But the next year I was onto the Civil War in England,
> the rise of Louis XVI in France, the 30 Years War, Spanish Empire
> building, and as a Special Subject for myself, the French Revolution.
> No wonder I did well in my exams with such exciting subjects!
> Paul
>
> On 31 Mar 2006, at 13:46, elizabeth Foley wrote:
>
> > Agree wholeheartly, it is a long time since I was at school, yep
> > they made History so BORING that one did not even bother to get
> > involved, all I remember was learning about the INDUSTRIAL
> > REVOLUTION which to a teenager was totally a no go area,
> > especially when the teenagers were thinking of dancing and
> > things......it was not until I was in my 20's and expecting my
> > first baby that I picked up a book from the library [because
> > during that time and even now I was a nocturnal person] about
> > Henry V111 that my love of History really started, it now
> > literally takes over my life and I have to say that I love this
> > site and class everyone on it as a friend [even though I do not
> > email much, I read the mails everyday] again many thanks for all
> > your mails and info., that gives me more info., to see/feel
> > everyday..........Regards Liz
> >
> > Janet <forevere@...> wrote: Don't feel bad about
> > your fellow citizens not knowing about your
> > history. A recent survey here in the states showed that more people
> > knew the names of the cartoon characters on the long-running TV
> > show "The Simpsons" than knew the names of the signers of the
> > Declaration of Independence.
> > It always surprises me since I have loved history from my
> > earliest
> > days. I can't understand why folks will watch soap operas for hours
> > on end but say that history is so boring. It is the greatest soap
> > opera there is!!!:-)
> > Maybe it is the presentation in schools.....
> >
> > L.M.L.,
> > Janet
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sfu..aka berkely north..that hippy breeding ground..the one my parents said they wouldn't pay for me to go to..i knew there was something i liked about you...i should have been there in 71..but life happens and i didn't get there until 83.

yes, the lack of teaching canadian history is pathetic. i was taught louis riel was a traitor..which i couldn't understand why..see sfu..:-)) finally, the gov recognised him as a real patriot about a 100 years after lynching him.

i learned about the halifax explosion 1917, from a nova scotian when i was in my 20's..outside of school.

we learned more american history than we ever learned about canadian history.
funny really, i watch a bio on bonnie and clyde..and got to wondering did canada have any depression era gangsters..i haven't followed up on that thought.

my dau, in grade five has yet to really be taught anything about canadian history aside from inuit, and eastern native culture. she's been assigned a large project on quebec..oh yeah..i figure history..whoopee..nope..all in marketing/promoting quebec as it is today...

personally, i feel the powers that be don't want us to learn about history. we'll learn about all the lies they told us. i'm finding evidence that the muslims were in north america circa 700 via the internet...archealogical evidence..we sure aren't hearing about that in the mainstream media.

that indiginous (sp) people from southern france travelled to north america and settled here 14,000 or more years ago.

and you know that doesn't even cover all the more modern history. i learned about the ww1 internment camps in canada and how banff was build essentially by ukranian slave labour at that time.

we all know about ww2 and the japanese, but nada about the ukranians, and other tuetonic/slavic people who were so bitterly treated by the ruling powers of the day.

my love of history, i feel is inborn. i've always loved hearing stories of the past. folk/fairy tales were my primary source of reading as child, graduating into historical novels mostly of the elizabethan era.

our history..the entire planet's history is fascinating..and if we all as a society/culture knew more..i honestly believe we wouldn't be as prone to become cannon fodder..and speaking of which..i'm a tad upset (mildly stated)
the most recent afghanistan war casuality is a local boy, and a former school mate of my son...so another canadian dies because of bush's damn lies.

i wonder what history will tell our great grandchildren about this "war on terror" fiasco.
where's bin ladin? read PNAC and find out why 9/11 happened.
roslyn


Bill Barber <bbarber@...> wrote:
I think that, for a long time, it was assumed that those of us who lived
in 'the colonies' simply didn't have histories worth celebrating. I was
actually told that Canada didn't have a history by a very British
history professor during my first university year (Simon Fraser, 1966,
Roslyn).

I assume that you were told something similar about Australian history,
Helen? We were always under the shadow of 'The Mother Country'.

Helen Rowe wrote:
> I was taught history in the 1970s at school. In those days it was
> history without people if you can believe it. It was all movements and
> the flow of history. If you can see what I mean. I mightn't be
> explaining myself very well.
>
> The Industrial Revolution could be interesting if one concentrated
> more of the effect on indidivuals instead of graphs and tables.
>
> A couple of my teachers seen to be very reluctant to even mention
> anyone by name. Strange.
>
> One project I did do well on in Year 11 was an option I did on the
> Suffragettes, Yes, people who made a change. Also a very different
> person, a project on Hitler's childhood.
>
> As a teeanger my fascination with history came from reading novels.
> Yes, mostly Jean Plaidy I am afraid. I might see them as rubbishy now
> but at the time I enjoyed them. Still they awoke my interest in history.
>
> Oh here in Australia too there are complaints that people don't know
> enough of their history.
>
> I think it was only in the last say forty years that Australian
> History really started to be taught much.
>
> Then we have the "History Wars" arguments, denials and guilt about
> the history of the treatment of the Indigenous Peoples.
>
> In the much earlier days there was the uneasiness with the first
> European settlers being convicts. Now, of cause, people are delighted
> to have a convict ancestor especially first fleeters.
>
> Helen
>
> Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote:
> Well considering the importance history courses place on the 20th
> century these days it appals me when a show like 'Star Trek' has to
> explain who the Nazis were when they are mentioned in a script.
> As for history teaching, I guess it all depends on the teachers. Mine
> were terrific except for one, the one who for a year tried to make
> Economic History interesting. He clearly didn't find it particularly
> interesting himself, and that came across to his pupils. I retained
> little of it. But the next year I was onto the Civil War in England,
> the rise of Louis XVI in France, the 30 Years War, Spanish Empire
> building, and as a Special Subject for myself, the French Revolution.
> No wonder I did well in my exams with such exciting subjects!
> Paul
>
> On 31 Mar 2006, at 13:46, elizabeth Foley wrote:
>
> > Agree wholeheartly, it is a long time since I was at school, yep
> > they made History so BORING that one did not even bother to get
> > involved, all I remember was learning about the INDUSTRIAL
> > REVOLUTION which to a teenager was totally a no go area,
> > especially when the teenagers were thinking of dancing and
> > things......it was not until I was in my 20's and expecting my
> > first baby that I picked up a book from the library [because
> > during that time and even now I was a nocturnal person] about
> > Henry V111 that my love of History really started, it now
> > literally takes over my life and I have to say that I love this
> > site and class everyone on it as a friend [even though I do not
> > email much, I read the mails everyday] again many thanks for all
> > your mails and info., that gives me more info., to see/feel
> > everyday..........Regards Liz
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> > Janet <forevere@...> wrote: Don't feel bad about
> > your fellow citizens not knowing about your
> > history. A recent survey here in the states showed that more people
> > knew the names of the cartoon characters on the long-running TV
> > show "The Simpsons" than knew the names of the signers of the
> > Declaration of Independence.
> > It always surprises me since I have loved history from my
> > earliest
> > days. I can't understand why folks will watch soap operas for hours
> > on end but say that history is so boring. It is the greatest soap
> > opera there is!!!:-)
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My heart certainly goes out to the Costall family. Robert was so young.
Aren't they all?

Speaking of the 'Berkeley of the North', I actually went down to see
what Berkeley was like in 1969. Also went through Haight Ashbury.
Everything was pretty much over by then.

Spent one year at SFU, and then retreated closer to home. Fraser was
certainly a hotbed of Maoists when I was there. Most of them were from
West Vancouver. They certainly weren't from blue collar Burnaby. Nice
bit of irony. Has anyone ever met a poor socialist? Nor have I.

My love of Canadian history was stoked by my several journeys about the
country by car, train and air. You really don't know how huge Canada is
until you hit the rails: 4,000 miles east to west, and Lord knows how
many north to south.

It's a real treat to travel rail coach from Toronto to Halifax. My
experience doing so was similar to that described by Arlo Guthrie in
"The Train They Call The City of New Orleans": card games, the
downtrodden returning home, etc: We sat upright, awake, in a fully lit
coach for fifteen or sixteen hours.

I think that Stan Rogers captured Canada's exploration history quite
wonderfully in a song called "Northwest Passage"

Chorus

Ah, for just one time I would take the Northwest Passage
To find the hand of Franklin reaching for the Beaufort Sea;
Tracing one warm line through a land so wild and savage
And make a Northwest Passage to the sea.

Westward from the Davis Strait 'tis there 'twas said to lie
The sea route to the Orient for which so many died;
Seeking gold and glory, leaving weathered, broken bones
And a long-forgotten lonely cairn of stones.

Three centuries thereafter, I take passage overland
In the footsteps of brave Kelso, where his "sea of flowers" began
Watching cities rise before me, then behind me sink again
This tardiest explorer, driving hard across the plain.

And through the night, behind the wheel, the mileage clicking west
I think upon Mackenzie, David Thompson and the rest
Who cracked the mountain ramparts and did show a path for me
To race the roaring Fraser to the sea.

How then am I so different from the first men through this way?
Like them, I left a settled life, I threw it all away.
To seek a Northwest Passage at the call of many men
To find there but the road back home again.


Sorry to go so far OT, but in many ways we are products of our own
history, or at least we are the products of our own mythologies.

Paul: you should come and see the Rockies some time. They're magnificent.

fayre rose wrote:
> sfu..aka berkely north..that hippy breeding ground..the one my parents
> said they wouldn't pay for me to go to..i knew there was something i
> liked about you...i should have been there in 71..but life happens and
> i didn't get there until 83.
>
> yes, the lack of teaching canadian history is pathetic. i was taught
> louis riel was a traitor..which i couldn't understand why..see
> sfu..:-)) finally, the gov recognised him as a real patriot about a
> 100 years after lynching him.
>
> i learned about the halifax explosion 1917, from a nova scotian when
> i was in my 20's..outside of school.
>
> we learned more american history than we ever learned about canadian
> history.
> funny really, i watch a bio on bonnie and clyde..and got to
> wondering did canada have any depression era gangsters..i haven't
> followed up on that thought.
>
> my dau, in grade five has yet to really be taught anything about
> canadian history aside from inuit, and eastern native culture. she's
> been assigned a large project on quebec..oh yeah..i figure
> history..whoopee..nope..all in marketing/promoting quebec as it is
> today...
>
> personally, i feel the powers that be don't want us to learn about
> history. we'll learn about all the lies they told us. i'm finding
> evidence that the muslims were in north america circa 700 via the
> internet...archealogical evidence..we sure aren't hearing about that
> in the mainstream media.
>
> that indiginous (sp) people from southern france travelled to north
> america and settled here 14,000 or more years ago.
>
> and you know that doesn't even cover all the more modern history. i
> learned about the ww1 internment camps in canada and how banff was
> build essentially by ukranian slave labour at that time.
>
> we all know about ww2 and the japanese, but nada about the
> ukranians, and other tuetonic/slavic people who were so bitterly
> treated by the ruling powers of the day.
>
> my love of history, i feel is inborn. i've always loved hearing
> stories of the past. folk/fairy tales were my primary source of
> reading as child, graduating into historical novels mostly of the
> elizabethan era.
>
> our history..the entire planet's history is fascinating..and if we
> all as a society/culture knew more..i honestly believe we wouldn't be
> as prone to become cannon fodder..and speaking of which..i'm a tad
> upset (mildly stated)
> the most recent afghanistan war casuality is a local boy, and a
> former school mate of my son...so another canadian dies because of
> bush's damn lies.
>
> i wonder what history will tell our great grandchildren about this
> "war on terror" fiasco.
> where's bin ladin? read PNAC and find out why 9/11 happened.
> roslyn
>
>
> Bill Barber <bbarber@...> wrote:
> I think that, for a long time, it was assumed that those of us who
> lived
> in 'the colonies' simply didn't have histories worth celebrating. I was
> actually told that Canada didn't have a history by a very British
> history professor during my first university year (Simon Fraser, 1966,
> Roslyn).
>
> I assume that you were told something similar about Australian history,
> Helen? We were always under the shadow of 'The Mother Country'.
>
> Helen Rowe wrote:
> > I was taught history in the 1970s at school. In those days it was
> > history without people if you can believe it. It was all movements and
> > the flow of history. If you can see what I mean. I mightn't be
> > explaining myself very well.
> >
> > The Industrial Revolution could be interesting if one concentrated
> > more of the effect on indidivuals instead of graphs and tables.
> >
> > A couple of my teachers seen to be very reluctant to even mention
> > anyone by name. Strange.
> >
> > One project I did do well on in Year 11 was an option I did on the
> > Suffragettes, Yes, people who made a change. Also a very different
> > person, a project on Hitler's childhood.
> >
> > As a teeanger my fascination with history came from reading novels.
> > Yes, mostly Jean Plaidy I am afraid. I might see them as rubbishy now
> > but at the time I enjoyed them. Still they awoke my interest in history.
> >
> > Oh here in Australia too there are complaints that people don't know
> > enough of their history.
> >
> > I think it was only in the last say forty years that Australian
> > History really started to be taught much.
> >
> > Then we have the "History Wars" arguments, denials and guilt about
> > the history of the treatment of the Indigenous Peoples.
> >
> > In the much earlier days there was the uneasiness with the first
> > European settlers being convicts. Now, of cause, people are delighted
> > to have a convict ancestor especially first fleeters.
> >
> > Helen
> >
> > Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote:
> > Well considering the importance history courses place on the 20th
> > century these days it appals me when a show like 'Star Trek' has to
> > explain who the Nazis were when they are mentioned in a script.
> > As for history teaching, I guess it all depends on the teachers. Mine
> > were terrific except for one, the one who for a year tried to make
> > Economic History interesting. He clearly didn't find it particularly
> > interesting himself, and that came across to his pupils. I retained
> > little of it. But the next year I was onto the Civil War in England,
> > the rise of Louis XVI in France, the 30 Years War, Spanish Empire
> > building, and as a Special Subject for myself, the French Revolution.
> > No wonder I did well in my exams with such exciting subjects!
> > Paul
> >
> > On 31 Mar 2006, at 13:46, elizabeth Foley wrote:
> >
> > > Agree wholeheartly, it is a long time since I was at school, yep
> > > they made History so BORING that one did not even bother to get
> > > involved, all I remember was learning about the INDUSTRIAL
> > > REVOLUTION which to a teenager was totally a no go area,
> > > especially when the teenagers were thinking of dancing and
> > > things......it was not until I was in my 20's and expecting my
> > > first baby that I picked up a book from the library [because
> > > during that time and even now I was a nocturnal person] about
> > > Henry V111 that my love of History really started, it now
> > > literally takes over my life and I have to say that I love this
> > > site and class everyone on it as a friend [even though I do not
> > > email much, I read the mails everyday] again many thanks for all
> > > your mails and info., that gives me more info., to see/feel
> > > everyday..........Regards Liz
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> > > knew the names of the cartoon characters on the long-running TV
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> > > Declaration of Independence.
> > > It always surprises me since I have loved history from my
> > > earliest
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> > > on end but say that history is so boring. It is the greatest soap
> > > opera there is!!!:-)
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When narrating the Wars of the Roses to my friends, I notice that I often resort to extremely ungrammatical language and an excess of slang. For example, the courtship of Elizabeth Woodville usually comes out as:

"So, one day, King Edward sees this really gorgeous woman with her two kids. And he's like, 'Hey, wanna be my mistress?' And she's like, "No, I'm not sleeping with you unless we're married. So Edward comes back some time later and he's like, 'Here's a ring!' And now Warwick is really, really pissed off."

Janet <forevere@...> wrote:
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By the time I was in school in the 1970s there was Australian history though I remember one teacher being apologetic about it, that parts of it was "dull".

When my parents were at school, dad in the 1920s and mum in the 1940s, there was very little Australian history. Some explorers and that about all. It was mostly English History and very traditional style, Kings and Queens. You probably guess what angle was taken with our Richard.

Mum has commented that alot of the history she was taught at school she had to unlearn since!

Helen

Bill Barber <bbarber@...> wrote:
I think that, for a long time, it was assumed that those of us who lived
in 'the colonies' simply didn't have histories worth celebrating. I was
actually told that Canada didn't have a history by a very British
history professor during my first university year (Simon Fraser, 1966,
Roslyn).

I assume that you were told something similar about Australian history,
Helen? We were always under the shadow of 'The Mother Country'.

Helen Rowe wrote:
> I was taught history in the 1970s at school. In those days it was
> history without people if you can believe it. It was all movements and
> the flow of history. If you can see what I mean. I mightn't be
> explaining myself very well.
>
> The Industrial Revolution could be interesting if one concentrated
> more of the effect on indidivuals instead of graphs and tables.
>
> A couple of my teachers seen to be very reluctant to even mention
> anyone by name. Strange.
>
> One project I did do well on in Year 11 was an option I did on the
> Suffragettes, Yes, people who made a change. Also a very different
> person, a project on Hitler's childhood.
>
> As a teeanger my fascination with history came from reading novels.
> Yes, mostly Jean Plaidy I am afraid. I might see them as rubbishy now
> but at the time I enjoyed them. Still they awoke my interest in history.
>
> Oh here in Australia too there are complaints that people don't know
> enough of their history.
>
> I think it was only in the last say forty years that Australian
> History really started to be taught much.
>
> Then we have the "History Wars" arguments, denials and guilt about
> the history of the treatment of the Indigenous Peoples.
>
> In the much earlier days there was the uneasiness with the first
> European settlers being convicts. Now, of cause, people are delighted
> to have a convict ancestor especially first fleeters.
>
> Helen
>
> Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote:
> Well considering the importance history courses place on the 20th
> century these days it appals me when a show like 'Star Trek' has to
> explain who the Nazis were when they are mentioned in a script.
> As for history teaching, I guess it all depends on the teachers. Mine
> were terrific except for one, the one who for a year tried to make
> Economic History interesting. He clearly didn't find it particularly
> interesting himself, and that came across to his pupils. I retained
> little of it. But the next year I was onto the Civil War in England,
> the rise of Louis XVI in France, the 30 Years War, Spanish Empire
> building, and as a Special Subject for myself, the French Revolution.
> No wonder I did well in my exams with such exciting subjects!
> Paul
>
> On 31 Mar 2006, at 13:46, elizabeth Foley wrote:
>
> > Agree wholeheartly, it is a long time since I was at school, yep
> > they made History so BORING that one did not even bother to get
> > involved, all I remember was learning about the INDUSTRIAL
> > REVOLUTION which to a teenager was totally a no go area,
> > especially when the teenagers were thinking of dancing and
> > things......it was not until I was in my 20's and expecting my
> > first baby that I picked up a book from the library [because
> > during that time and even now I was a nocturnal person] about
> > Henry V111 that my love of History really started, it now
> > literally takes over my life and I have to say that I love this
> > site and class everyone on it as a friend [even though I do not
> > email much, I read the mails everyday] again many thanks for all
> > your mails and info., that gives me more info., to see/feel
> > everyday..........Regards Liz
> >
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> > your fellow citizens not knowing about your
> > history. A recent survey here in the states showed that more people
> > knew the names of the cartoon characters on the long-running TV
> > show "The Simpsons" than knew the names of the signers of the
> > Declaration of Independence.
> > It always surprises me since I have loved history from my
> > earliest
> > days. I can't understand why folks will watch soap operas for hours
> > on end but say that history is so boring. It is the greatest soap
> > opera there is!!!:-)
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tommy douglas was a poor socialist. he did not come from a wealthy background. i know many, many poor socialists aka social democrats..but then again, i happen to live in the community that conceived the principles that evolved into the CCF and which is now known as NDP.
see..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Shaver_Woodsworth

i made it to berkeley in 85..long after all the hippies were gone.

i think anyone who really wants to get an idea as to the size/scope of canada should a) fly over it coast to coast one way, and drive or train/bus it back the other way. i've driven it 4 times, once in winter during the worst blizzard they had on prairies in 60 years..that was a frost biting experience...i'm in no rush to repeat ever again. i've flown coast to coast once/return flight...again not a real pleasant experience on the return. this flight was in winter and vancouver airport was socked in by fog and they kept us waiting on the tarmac in alberta for about 2 hours in a sweltering hot airplane while they decided if they should fly us over the mountains.

they finally decided it was a go..and flew us to abbotsford about 80 miles out in the fraser valley..then paraded the passengers on to buses to vancouver. we also had been delayed in toronto and montreal..it was almost 23 hours of travel that normally took about 6...btw..i had not had any sleep for 56 hours by the time i finally saw home. i had been a national university conference complete with plenery and policy sessions for five days prior to the flight...

as for the rockies..i'm bc born growing up in the lower mainland always looking at the mountains, however, my first view of them was breath-taking..
NOW those are mountains!!

i've seen the laurentians..little mole hills compared to the coastal mountains here, and definitely tiny blips on the landscape compared to the rockies. which are absolutely magnificant...but not so fun driving through during winter/avalanche season. but well worth the trip.

if any of the europeans on this list have seen the alps..the rockies are as huge if not bigger according to a friend of mine who has travelled in the alps.

canada is an absolutely awesome country, and they are relaxing immigration laws/rules if anyone is interested in migrating across the pond or north
here's a url.
http://www.immigration-service.com/canada/apply.canada.html

skilled construction trades people are in high demand.

roslyn

Bill Barber <bbarber@...> wrote:
My heart certainly goes out to the Costall family. Robert was so young.
Aren't they all?

Speaking of the 'Berkeley of the North', I actually went down to see
what Berkeley was like in 1969. Also went through Haight Ashbury.
Everything was pretty much over by then.

Spent one year at SFU, and then retreated closer to home. Fraser was
certainly a hotbed of Maoists when I was there. Most of them were from
West Vancouver. They certainly weren't from blue collar Burnaby. Nice
bit of irony. Has anyone ever met a poor socialist? Nor have I.

My love of Canadian history was stoked by my several journeys about the
country by car, train and air. You really don't know how huge Canada is
until you hit the rails: 4,000 miles east to west, and Lord knows how
many north to south.

It's a real treat to travel rail coach from Toronto to Halifax. My
experience doing so was similar to that described by Arlo Guthrie in
"The Train They Call The City of New Orleans": card games, the
downtrodden returning home, etc: We sat upright, awake, in a fully lit
coach for fifteen or sixteen hours.

I think that Stan Rogers captured Canada's exploration history quite
wonderfully in a song called "Northwest Passage"

Chorus

Ah, for just one time I would take the Northwest Passage
To find the hand of Franklin reaching for the Beaufort Sea;
Tracing one warm line through a land so wild and savage
And make a Northwest Passage to the sea.

Westward from the Davis Strait 'tis there 'twas said to lie
The sea route to the Orient for which so many died;
Seeking gold and glory, leaving weathered, broken bones
And a long-forgotten lonely cairn of stones.

Three centuries thereafter, I take passage overland
In the footsteps of brave Kelso, where his "sea of flowers" began
Watching cities rise before me, then behind me sink again
This tardiest explorer, driving hard across the plain.

And through the night, behind the wheel, the mileage clicking west
I think upon Mackenzie, David Thompson and the rest
Who cracked the mountain ramparts and did show a path for me
To race the roaring Fraser to the sea.

How then am I so different from the first men through this way?
Like them, I left a settled life, I threw it all away.
To seek a Northwest Passage at the call of many men
To find there but the road back home again.


Sorry to go so far OT, but in many ways we are products of our own
history, or at least we are the products of our own mythologies.

Paul: you should come and see the Rockies some time. They're magnificent.

fayre rose wrote:
> sfu..aka berkely north..that hippy breeding ground..the one my parents
> said they wouldn't pay for me to go to..i knew there was something i
> liked about you...i should have been there in 71..but life happens and
> i didn't get there until 83.
>
> yes, the lack of teaching canadian history is pathetic. i was taught
> louis riel was a traitor..which i couldn't understand why..see
> sfu..:-)) finally, the gov recognised him as a real patriot about a
> 100 years after lynching him.
>
> i learned about the halifax explosion 1917, from a nova scotian when
> i was in my 20's..outside of school.
>
> we learned more american history than we ever learned about canadian
> history.
> funny really, i watch a bio on bonnie and clyde..and got to
> wondering did canada have any depression era gangsters..i haven't
> followed up on that thought.
>
> my dau, in grade five has yet to really be taught anything about
> canadian history aside from inuit, and eastern native culture. she's
> been assigned a large project on quebec..oh yeah..i figure
> history..whoopee..nope..all in marketing/promoting quebec as it is
> today...
>
> personally, i feel the powers that be don't want us to learn about
> history. we'll learn about all the lies they told us. i'm finding
> evidence that the muslims were in north america circa 700 via the
> internet...archealogical evidence..we sure aren't hearing about that
> in the mainstream media.
>
> that indiginous (sp) people from southern france travelled to north
> america and settled here 14,000 or more years ago.
>
> and you know that doesn't even cover all the more modern history. i
> learned about the ww1 internment camps in canada and how banff was
> build essentially by ukranian slave labour at that time.
>
> we all know about ww2 and the japanese, but nada about the
> ukranians, and other tuetonic/slavic people who were so bitterly
> treated by the ruling powers of the day.
>
> my love of history, i feel is inborn. i've always loved hearing
> stories of the past. folk/fairy tales were my primary source of
> reading as child, graduating into historical novels mostly of the
> elizabethan era.
>
> our history..the entire planet's history is fascinating..and if we
> all as a society/culture knew more..i honestly believe we wouldn't be
> as prone to become cannon fodder..and speaking of which..i'm a tad
> upset (mildly stated)
> the most recent afghanistan war casuality is a local boy, and a
> former school mate of my son...so another canadian dies because of
> bush's damn lies.
>
> i wonder what history will tell our great grandchildren about this
> "war on terror" fiasco.
> where's bin ladin? read PNAC and find out why 9/11 happened.
> roslyn
>
>
> Bill Barber <bbarber@...> wrote:
> I think that, for a long time, it was assumed that those of us who
> lived
> in 'the colonies' simply didn't have histories worth celebrating. I was
> actually told that Canada didn't have a history by a very British
> history professor during my first university year (Simon Fraser, 1966,
> Roslyn).
>
> I assume that you were told something similar about Australian history,
> Helen? We were always under the shadow of 'The Mother Country'.
>
> Helen Rowe wrote:
> > I was taught history in the 1970s at school. In those days it was
> > history without people if you can believe it. It was all movements and
> > the flow of history. If you can see what I mean. I mightn't be
> > explaining myself very well.
> >
> > The Industrial Revolution could be interesting if one concentrated
> > more of the effect on indidivuals instead of graphs and tables.
> >
> > A couple of my teachers seen to be very reluctant to even mention
> > anyone by name. Strange.
> >
> > One project I did do well on in Year 11 was an option I did on the
> > Suffragettes, Yes, people who made a change. Also a very different
> > person, a project on Hitler's childhood.
> >
> > As a teeanger my fascination with history came from reading novels.
> > Yes, mostly Jean Plaidy I am afraid. I might see them as rubbishy now
> > but at the time I enjoyed them. Still they awoke my interest in history.
> >
> > Oh here in Australia too there are complaints that people don't know
> > enough of their history.
> >
> > I think it was only in the last say forty years that Australian
> > History really started to be taught much.
> >
> > Then we have the "History Wars" arguments, denials and guilt about
> > the history of the treatment of the Indigenous Peoples.
> >
> > In the much earlier days there was the uneasiness with the first
> > European settlers being convicts. Now, of cause, people are delighted
> > to have a convict ancestor especially first fleeters.
> >
> > Helen
> >
> > Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote:
> > Well considering the importance history courses place on the 20th
> > century these days it appals me when a show like 'Star Trek' has to
> > explain who the Nazis were when they are mentioned in a script.
> > As for history teaching, I guess it all depends on the teachers. Mine
> > were terrific except for one, the one who for a year tried to make
> > Economic History interesting. He clearly didn't find it particularly
> > interesting himself, and that came across to his pupils. I retained
> > little of it. But the next year I was onto the Civil War in England,
> > the rise of Louis XVI in France, the 30 Years War, Spanish Empire
> > building, and as a Special Subject for myself, the French Revolution.
> > No wonder I did well in my exams with such exciting subjects!
> > Paul
> >
> > On 31 Mar 2006, at 13:46, elizabeth Foley wrote:
> >
> > > Agree wholeheartly, it is a long time since I was at school, yep
> > > they made History so BORING that one did not even bother to get
> > > involved, all I remember was learning about the INDUSTRIAL
> > > REVOLUTION which to a teenager was totally a no go area,
> > > especially when the teenagers were thinking of dancing and
> > > things......it was not until I was in my 20's and expecting my
> > > first baby that I picked up a book from the library [because
> > > during that time and even now I was a nocturnal person] about
> > > Henry V111 that my love of History really started, it now
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> > > email much, I read the mails everyday] again many thanks for all
> > > your mails and info., that gives me more info., to see/feel
> > > everyday..........Regards Liz
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You're right about Tommy Douglas. Heard him speak at University of
Waterloo many years ago. Incredible experience. For those who need an
anchoring point, he was Kieffer Sutherland's maternal grandfather :-).
Actually, as Roslyn says, he was a fervent defender of the poor, and
helped to gain us universal health care.

James Shaver Woodworth was a minister in Etobicoke (West Toronto) at one
time. When researching my church's records about thirty years ago, I
noticed that he led our services on at least one occasions. The Shavers
were a prominent local family in the mid-to-late nineteenth century.

Flew over the Rockies in a DC-3. That was a pretty scary experience. I
had the feeling that I could reach out of the window and grab the
mountain tops.

Immigration practices got marginally tougher in the last week. About
1000 cue-jumpers were sent packing. Currently, we're having the same
debate as the U.S.

fayre rose wrote:
> tommy douglas was a poor socialist. he did not come from a wealthy
> background. i know many, many poor socialists aka social
> democrats..but then again, i happen to live in the community that
> conceived the principles that evolved into the CCF and which is now
> known as NDP.
> see..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Shaver_Woodsworth
>
> i made it to berkeley in 85..long after all the hippies were gone.
>
> i think anyone who really wants to get an idea as to the size/scope
> of canada should a) fly over it coast to coast one way, and drive or
> train/bus it back the other way. i've driven it 4 times, once in
> winter during the worst blizzard they had on prairies in 60
> years..that was a frost biting experience...i'm in no rush to repeat
> ever again. i've flown coast to coast once/return flight...again not a
> real pleasant experience on the return. this flight was in winter and
> vancouver airport was socked in by fog and they kept us waiting on the
> tarmac in alberta for about 2 hours in a sweltering hot airplane while
> they decided if they should fly us over the mountains.
>
> they finally decided it was a go..and flew us to abbotsford about 80
> miles out in the fraser valley..then paraded the passengers on to
> buses to vancouver. we also had been delayed in toronto and
> montreal..it was almost 23 hours of travel that normally took about
> 6...btw..i had not had any sleep for 56 hours by the time i finally
> saw home. i had been a national university conference complete with
> plenery and policy sessions for five days prior to the flight...
>
> as for the rockies..i'm bc born growing up in the lower mainland
> always looking at the mountains, however, my first view of them was
> breath-taking..
> NOW those are mountains!!
>
> i've seen the laurentians..little mole hills compared to the coastal
> mountains here, and definitely tiny blips on the landscape compared to
> the rockies. which are absolutely magnificant...but not so fun driving
> through during winter/avalanche season. but well worth the trip.
>
> if any of the europeans on this list have seen the alps..the rockies
> are as huge if not bigger according to a friend of mine who has
> travelled in the alps.
>
> canada is an absolutely awesome country, and they are relaxing
> immigration laws/rules if anyone is interested in migrating across the
> pond or north
> here's a url.
> http://www.immigration-service.com/canada/apply.canada.html
>
> skilled construction trades people are in high demand.
>
> roslyn
>
> Bill Barber <bbarber@...> wrote:
> My heart certainly goes out to the Costall family. Robert was so young.
> Aren't they all?
>
> Speaking of the 'Berkeley of the North', I actually went down to see
> what Berkeley was like in 1969. Also went through Haight Ashbury.
> Everything was pretty much over by then.
>
> Spent one year at SFU, and then retreated closer to home. Fraser was
> certainly a hotbed of Maoists when I was there. Most of them were from
> West Vancouver. They certainly weren't from blue collar Burnaby. Nice
> bit of irony. Has anyone ever met a poor socialist? Nor have I.
>
> My love of Canadian history was stoked by my several journeys about the
> country by car, train and air. You really don't know how huge Canada is
> until you hit the rails: 4,000 miles east to west, and Lord knows how
> many north to south.
>
> It's a real treat to travel rail coach from Toronto to Halifax. My
> experience doing so was similar to that described by Arlo Guthrie in
> "The Train They Call The City of New Orleans": card games, the
> downtrodden returning home, etc: We sat upright, awake, in a fully lit
> coach for fifteen or sixteen hours.
>
> I think that Stan Rogers captured Canada's exploration history quite
> wonderfully in a song called "Northwest Passage"
>
> Chorus
>
> Ah, for just one time I would take the Northwest Passage
> To find the hand of Franklin reaching for the Beaufort Sea;
> Tracing one warm line through a land so wild and savage
> And make a Northwest Passage to the sea.
>
> Westward from the Davis Strait 'tis there 'twas said to lie
> The sea route to the Orient for which so many died;
> Seeking gold and glory, leaving weathered, broken bones
> And a long-forgotten lonely cairn of stones.
>
> Three centuries thereafter, I take passage overland
> In the footsteps of brave Kelso, where his "sea of flowers" began
> Watching cities rise before me, then behind me sink again
> This tardiest explorer, driving hard across the plain.
>
> And through the night, behind the wheel, the mileage clicking west
> I think upon Mackenzie, David Thompson and the rest
> Who cracked the mountain ramparts and did show a path for me
> To race the roaring Fraser to the sea.
>
> How then am I so different from the first men through this way?
> Like them, I left a settled life, I threw it all away.
> To seek a Northwest Passage at the call of many men
> To find there but the road back home again.
>
>
> Sorry to go so far OT, but in many ways we are products of our own
> history, or at least we are the products of our own mythologies.
>
> Paul: you should come and see the Rockies some time. They're magnificent.
>
> fayre rose wrote:
> > sfu..aka berkely north..that hippy breeding ground..the one my parents
> > said they wouldn't pay for me to go to..i knew there was something i
> > liked about you...i should have been there in 71..but life happens and
> > i didn't get there until 83.
> >
> > yes, the lack of teaching canadian history is pathetic. i was taught
> > louis riel was a traitor..which i couldn't understand why..see
> > sfu..:-)) finally, the gov recognised him as a real patriot about a
> > 100 years after lynching him.
> >
> > i learned about the halifax explosion 1917, from a nova scotian when
> > i was in my 20's..outside of school.
> >
> > we learned more american history than we ever learned about canadian
> > history.
> > funny really, i watch a bio on bonnie and clyde..and got to
> > wondering did canada have any depression era gangsters..i haven't
> > followed up on that thought.
> >
> > my dau, in grade five has yet to really be taught anything about
> > canadian history aside from inuit, and eastern native culture. she's
> > been assigned a large project on quebec..oh yeah..i figure
> > history..whoopee..nope..all in marketing/promoting quebec as it is
> > today...
> >
> > personally, i feel the powers that be don't want us to learn about
> > history. we'll learn about all the lies they told us. i'm finding
> > evidence that the muslims were in north america circa 700 via the
> > internet...archealogical evidence..we sure aren't hearing about that
> > in the mainstream media.
> >
> > that indiginous (sp) people from southern france travelled to north
> > america and settled here 14,000 or more years ago.
> >
> > and you know that doesn't even cover all the more modern history. i
> > learned about the ww1 internment camps in canada and how banff was
> > build essentially by ukranian slave labour at that time.
> >
> > we all know about ww2 and the japanese, but nada about the
> > ukranians, and other tuetonic/slavic people who were so bitterly
> > treated by the ruling powers of the day.
> >
> > my love of history, i feel is inborn. i've always loved hearing
> > stories of the past. folk/fairy tales were my primary source of
> > reading as child, graduating into historical novels mostly of the
> > elizabethan era.
> >
> > our history..the entire planet's history is fascinating..and if we
> > all as a society/culture knew more..i honestly believe we wouldn't be
> > as prone to become cannon fodder..and speaking of which..i'm a tad
> > upset (mildly stated)
> > the most recent afghanistan war casuality is a local boy, and a
> > former school mate of my son...so another canadian dies because of
> > bush's damn lies.
> >
> > i wonder what history will tell our great grandchildren about this
> > "war on terror" fiasco.
> > where's bin ladin? read PNAC and find out why 9/11 happened.
> > roslyn
> >
> >
> > Bill Barber <bbarber@...> wrote:
> > I think that, for a long time, it was assumed that those of us who
> > lived
> > in 'the colonies' simply didn't have histories worth celebrating. I was
> > actually told that Canada didn't have a history by a very British
> > history professor during my first university year (Simon Fraser, 1966,
> > Roslyn).
> >
> > I assume that you were told something similar about Australian history,
> > Helen? We were always under the shadow of 'The Mother Country'.
> >
> > Helen Rowe wrote:
> > > I was taught history in the 1970s at school. In those days it was
> > > history without people if you can believe it. It was all movements and
> > > the flow of history. If you can see what I mean. I mightn't be
> > > explaining myself very well.
> > >
> > > The Industrial Revolution could be interesting if one concentrated
> > > more of the effect on indidivuals instead of graphs and tables.
> > >
> > > A couple of my teachers seen to be very reluctant to even mention
> > > anyone by name. Strange.
> > >
> > > One project I did do well on in Year 11 was an option I did on the
> > > Suffragettes, Yes, people who made a change. Also a very different
> > > person, a project on Hitler's childhood.
> > >
> > > As a teeanger my fascination with history came from reading novels.
> > > Yes, mostly Jean Plaidy I am afraid. I might see them as rubbishy now
> > > but at the time I enjoyed them. Still they awoke my interest in
> history.
> > >
> > > Oh here in Australia too there are complaints that people don't know
> > > enough of their history.
> > >
> > > I think it was only in the last say forty years that Australian
> > > History really started to be taught much.
> > >
> > > Then we have the "History Wars" arguments, denials and guilt about
> > > the history of the treatment of the Indigenous Peoples.
> > >
> > > In the much earlier days there was the uneasiness with the first
> > > European settlers being convicts. Now, of cause, people are delighted
> > > to have a convict ancestor especially first fleeters.
> > >
> > > Helen
> > >
> > > Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote:
> > > Well considering the importance history courses place on the 20th
> > > century these days it appals me when a show like 'Star Trek' has to
> > > explain who the Nazis were when they are mentioned in a script.
> > > As for history teaching, I guess it all depends on the teachers. Mine
> > > were terrific except for one, the one who for a year tried to make
> > > Economic History interesting. He clearly didn't find it particularly
> > > interesting himself, and that came across to his pupils. I retained
> > > little of it. But the next year I was onto the Civil War in England,
> > > the rise of Louis XVI in France, the 30 Years War, Spanish Empire
> > > building, and as a Special Subject for myself, the French Revolution.
> > > No wonder I did well in my exams with such exciting subjects!
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > On 31 Mar 2006, at 13:46, elizabeth Foley wrote:
> > >
> > > > Agree wholeheartly, it is a long time since I was at school, yep
> > > > they made History so BORING that one did not even bother to get
> > > > involved, all I remember was learning about the INDUSTRIAL
> > > > REVOLUTION which to a teenager was totally a no go area,
> > > > especially when the teenagers were thinking of dancing and
> > > > things......it was not until I was in my 20's and expecting my
> > > > first baby that I picked up a book from the library [because
> > > > during that time and even now I was a nocturnal person] about
> > > > Henry V111 that my love of History really started, it now
> > > > literally takes over my life and I have to say that I love this
> > > > site and class everyone on it as a friend [even though I do not
> > > > email much, I read the mails everyday] again many thanks for all
> > > > your mails and info., that gives me more info., to see/feel
> > > > everyday..........Regards Liz
> > > >
> > > > Janet <forevere@...> wrote: Don't feel bad about
> > > > your fellow citizens not knowing about your
> > > > history. A recent survey here in the states showed that more
> people
> > > > knew the names of the cartoon characters on the long-running TV
> > > > show "The Simpsons" than knew the names of the signers of the
> > > > Declaration of Independence.
> > > > It always surprises me since I have loved history from my
> > > > earliest
> > > > days. I can't understand why folks will watch soap operas for
> hours
> > > > on end but say that history is so boring. It is the greatest soap
> > > > opera there is!!!:-)
> > > > Maybe it is the presentation in schools.....
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Some of us are thinking of escaping one of these days. One of the only places i would return year after year if I had the available cash. Came last year so a couple of years of saving before I can return.

The countryside is magnificant, people friendly and helpful and polite. Sport magnificant (no crowd violence) and the air is fresh.

I fully understand why my canadian cousins, went accross the pond.

Marion
fayre rose <fayreroze@...> wrote: tommy douglas was a poor socialist. he did not come from a wealthy background. i know many, many poor socialists aka social democrats..but then again, i happen to live in the community that conceived the principles that evolved into the CCF and which is now known as NDP.
see..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Shaver_Woodsworth

i made it to berkeley in 85..long after all the hippies were gone.

i think anyone who really wants to get an idea as to the size/scope of canada should a) fly over it coast to coast one way, and drive or train/bus it back the other way. i've driven it 4 times, once in winter during the worst blizzard they had on prairies in 60 years..that was a frost biting experience...i'm in no rush to repeat ever again. i've flown coast to coast once/return flight...again not a real pleasant experience on the return. this flight was in winter and vancouver airport was socked in by fog and they kept us waiting on the tarmac in alberta for about 2 hours in a sweltering hot airplane while they decided if they should fly us over the mountains.

they finally decided it was a go..and flew us to abbotsford about 80 miles out in the fraser valley..then paraded the passengers on to buses to vancouver. we also had been delayed in toronto and montreal..it was almost 23 hours of travel that normally took about 6...btw..i had not had any sleep for 56 hours by the time i finally saw home. i had been a national university conference complete with plenery and policy sessions for five days prior to the flight...

as for the rockies..i'm bc born growing up in the lower mainland always looking at the mountains, however, my first view of them was breath-taking..
NOW those are mountains!!

i've seen the laurentians..little mole hills compared to the coastal mountains here, and definitely tiny blips on the landscape compared to the rockies. which are absolutely magnificant...but not so fun driving through during winter/avalanche season. but well worth the trip.

if any of the europeans on this list have seen the alps..the rockies are as huge if not bigger according to a friend of mine who has travelled in the alps.

canada is an absolutely awesome country, and they are relaxing immigration laws/rules if anyone is interested in migrating across the pond or north
here's a url.
http://www.immigration-service.com/canada/apply.canada.html

skilled construction trades people are in high demand.

roslyn

Bill Barber <bbarber@...> wrote:
My heart certainly goes out to the Costall family. Robert was so young.
Aren't they all?

Speaking of the 'Berkeley of the North', I actually went down to see
what Berkeley was like in 1969. Also went through Haight Ashbury.
Everything was pretty much over by then.

Spent one year at SFU, and then retreated closer to home. Fraser was
certainly a hotbed of Maoists when I was there. Most of them were from
West Vancouver. They certainly weren't from blue collar Burnaby. Nice
bit of irony. Has anyone ever met a poor socialist? Nor have I.

My love of Canadian history was stoked by my several journeys about the
country by car, train and air. You really don't know how huge Canada is
until you hit the rails: 4,000 miles east to west, and Lord knows how
many north to south.

It's a real treat to travel rail coach from Toronto to Halifax. My
experience doing so was similar to that described by Arlo Guthrie in
"The Train They Call The City of New Orleans": card games, the
downtrodden returning home, etc: We sat upright, awake, in a fully lit
coach for fifteen or sixteen hours.

I think that Stan Rogers captured Canada's exploration history quite
wonderfully in a song called "Northwest Passage"

Chorus

Ah, for just one time I would take the Northwest Passage
To find the hand of Franklin reaching for the Beaufort Sea;
Tracing one warm line through a land so wild and savage
And make a Northwest Passage to the sea.

Westward from the Davis Strait 'tis there 'twas said to lie
The sea route to the Orient for which so many died;
Seeking gold and glory, leaving weathered, broken bones
And a long-forgotten lonely cairn of stones.

Three centuries thereafter, I take passage overland
In the footsteps of brave Kelso, where his "sea of flowers" began
Watching cities rise before me, then behind me sink again
This tardiest explorer, driving hard across the plain.

And through the night, behind the wheel, the mileage clicking west
I think upon Mackenzie, David Thompson and the rest
Who cracked the mountain ramparts and did show a path for me
To race the roaring Fraser to the sea.

How then am I so different from the first men through this way?
Like them, I left a settled life, I threw it all away.
To seek a Northwest Passage at the call of many men
To find there but the road back home again.


Sorry to go so far OT, but in many ways we are products of our own
history, or at least we are the products of our own mythologies.

Paul: you should come and see the Rockies some time. They're magnificent.

fayre rose wrote:
> sfu..aka berkely north..that hippy breeding ground..the one my parents
> said they wouldn't pay for me to go to..i knew there was something i
> liked about you...i should have been there in 71..but life happens and
> i didn't get there until 83.
>
> yes, the lack of teaching canadian history is pathetic. i was taught
> louis riel was a traitor..which i couldn't understand why..see
> sfu..:-)) finally, the gov recognised him as a real patriot about a
> 100 years after lynching him.
>
> i learned about the halifax explosion 1917, from a nova scotian when
> i was in my 20's..outside of school.
>
> we learned more american history than we ever learned about canadian
> history.
> funny really, i watch a bio on bonnie and clyde..and got to
> wondering did canada have any depression era gangsters..i haven't
> followed up on that thought.
>
> my dau, in grade five has yet to really be taught anything about
> canadian history aside from inuit, and eastern native culture. she's
> been assigned a large project on quebec..oh yeah..i figure
> history..whoopee..nope..all in marketing/promoting quebec as it is
> today...
>
> personally, i feel the powers that be don't want us to learn about
> history. we'll learn about all the lies they told us. i'm finding
> evidence that the muslims were in north america circa 700 via the
> internet...archealogical evidence..we sure aren't hearing about that
> in the mainstream media.
>
> that indiginous (sp) people from southern france travelled to north
> america and settled here 14,000 or more years ago.
>
> and you know that doesn't even cover all the more modern history. i
> learned about the ww1 internment camps in canada and how banff was
> build essentially by ukranian slave labour at that time.
>
> we all know about ww2 and the japanese, but nada about the
> ukranians, and other tuetonic/slavic people who were so bitterly
> treated by the ruling powers of the day.
>
> my love of history, i feel is inborn. i've always loved hearing
> stories of the past. folk/fairy tales were my primary source of
> reading as child, graduating into historical novels mostly of the
> elizabethan era.
>
> our history..the entire planet's history is fascinating..and if we
> all as a society/culture knew more..i honestly believe we wouldn't be
> as prone to become cannon fodder..and speaking of which..i'm a tad
> upset (mildly stated)
> the most recent afghanistan war casuality is a local boy, and a
> former school mate of my son...so another canadian dies because of
> bush's damn lies.
>
> i wonder what history will tell our great grandchildren about this
> "war on terror" fiasco.
> where's bin ladin? read PNAC and find out why 9/11 happened.
> roslyn
>
>
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> lived
> in 'the colonies' simply didn't have histories worth celebrating. I was
> actually told that Canada didn't have a history by a very British
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> Roslyn).
>
> I assume that you were told something similar about Australian history,
> Helen? We were always under the shadow of 'The Mother Country'.
>
> Helen Rowe wrote:
> > I was taught history in the 1970s at school. In those days it was
> > history without people if you can believe it. It was all movements and
> > the flow of history. If you can see what I mean. I mightn't be
> > explaining myself very well.
> >
> > The Industrial Revolution could be interesting if one concentrated
> > more of the effect on indidivuals instead of graphs and tables.
> >
> > A couple of my teachers seen to be very reluctant to even mention
> > anyone by name. Strange.
> >
> > One project I did do well on in Year 11 was an option I did on the
> > Suffragettes, Yes, people who made a change. Also a very different
> > person, a project on Hitler's childhood.
> >
> > As a teeanger my fascination with history came from reading novels.
> > Yes, mostly Jean Plaidy I am afraid. I might see them as rubbishy now
> > but at the time I enjoyed them. Still they awoke my interest in history.
> >
> > Oh here in Australia too there are complaints that people don't know
> > enough of their history.
> >
> > I think it was only in the last say forty years that Australian
> > History really started to be taught much.
> >
> > Then we have the "History Wars" arguments, denials and guilt about
> > the history of the treatment of the Indigenous Peoples.
> >
> > In the much earlier days there was the uneasiness with the first
> > European settlers being convicts. Now, of cause, people are delighted
> > to have a convict ancestor especially first fleeters.
> >
> > Helen
> >
> > Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote:
> > Well considering the importance history courses place on the 20th
> > century these days it appals me when a show like 'Star Trek' has to
> > explain who the Nazis were when they are mentioned in a script.
> > As for history teaching, I guess it all depends on the teachers. Mine
> > were terrific except for one, the one who for a year tried to make
> > Economic History interesting. He clearly didn't find it particularly
> > interesting himself, and that came across to his pupils. I retained
> > little of it. But the next year I was onto the Civil War in England,
> > the rise of Louis XVI in France, the 30 Years War, Spanish Empire
> > building, and as a Special Subject for myself, the French Revolution.
> > No wonder I did well in my exams with such exciting subjects!
> > Paul
> >
> > On 31 Mar 2006, at 13:46, elizabeth Foley wrote:
> >
> > > Agree wholeheartly, it is a long time since I was at school, yep
> > > they made History so BORING that one did not even bother to get
> > > involved, all I remember was learning about the INDUSTRIAL
> > > REVOLUTION which to a teenager was totally a no go area,
> > > especially when the teenagers were thinking of dancing and
> > > things......it was not until I was in my 20's and expecting my
> > > first baby that I picked up a book from the library [because
> > > during that time and even now I was a nocturnal person] about
> > > Henry V111 that my love of History really started, it now
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> > > site and class everyone on it as a friend [even though I do not
> > > email much, I read the mails everyday] again many thanks for all
> > > your mails and info., that gives me more info., to see/feel
> > > everyday..........Regards Liz
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as a military dependent, i once got to fly over the rockies in the belly of a herc. those huge transport planes. it was an experience. the seating was along the exterior walls of the plane, in thick canvas web chair/slings. cargo was lashed down in the middle..and no way could you carry on a conversation with the person next to you because of the noise and vibration. i've always hated flying, and that experience did nothing to improve my disposition towards that mode of travel.

the current immigration debate in canada is about illegals..not people who legally immigrate. for those people the rules have been laxed. especially if one is migrating to alberta or manitoba, and i think the martime provinces.

roslyn

Bill Barber <bbarber@...> wrote:
You're right about Tommy Douglas. Heard him speak at University of
Waterloo many years ago. Incredible experience. For those who need an
anchoring point, he was Kieffer Sutherland's maternal grandfather :-).
Actually, as Roslyn says, he was a fervent defender of the poor, and
helped to gain us universal health care.

James Shaver Woodworth was a minister in Etobicoke (West Toronto) at one
time. When researching my church's records about thirty years ago, I
noticed that he led our services on at least one occasions. The Shavers
were a prominent local family in the mid-to-late nineteenth century.

Flew over the Rockies in a DC-3. That was a pretty scary experience. I
had the feeling that I could reach out of the window and grab the
mountain tops.

Immigration practices got marginally tougher in the last week. About
1000 cue-jumpers were sent packing. Currently, we're having the same
debate as the U.S.

fayre rose wrote:
> tommy douglas was a poor socialist. he did not come from a wealthy
> background. i know many, many poor socialists aka social
> democrats..but then again, i happen to live in the community that
> conceived the principles that evolved into the CCF and which is now
> known as NDP.
> see..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Shaver_Woodsworth
>
> i made it to berkeley in 85..long after all the hippies were gone.
>
> i think anyone who really wants to get an idea as to the size/scope
> of canada should a) fly over it coast to coast one way, and drive or
> train/bus it back the other way. i've driven it 4 times, once in
> winter during the worst blizzard they had on prairies in 60
> years..that was a frost biting experience...i'm in no rush to repeat
> ever again. i've flown coast to coast once/return flight...again not a
> real pleasant experience on the return. this flight was in winter and
> vancouver airport was socked in by fog and they kept us waiting on the
> tarmac in alberta for about 2 hours in a sweltering hot airplane while
> they decided if they should fly us over the mountains.
>
> they finally decided it was a go..and flew us to abbotsford about 80
> miles out in the fraser valley..then paraded the passengers on to
> buses to vancouver. we also had been delayed in toronto and
> montreal..it was almost 23 hours of travel that normally took about
> 6...btw..i had not had any sleep for 56 hours by the time i finally
> saw home. i had been a national university conference complete with
> plenery and policy sessions for five days prior to the flight...
>
> as for the rockies..i'm bc born growing up in the lower mainland
> always looking at the mountains, however, my first view of them was
> breath-taking..
> NOW those are mountains!!
>
> i've seen the laurentians..little mole hills compared to the coastal
> mountains here, and definitely tiny blips on the landscape compared to
> the rockies. which are absolutely magnificant...but not so fun driving
> through during winter/avalanche season. but well worth the trip.
>
> if any of the europeans on this list have seen the alps..the rockies
> are as huge if not bigger according to a friend of mine who has
> travelled in the alps.
>
> canada is an absolutely awesome country, and they are relaxing
> immigration laws/rules if anyone is interested in migrating across the
> pond or north
> here's a url.
> http://www.immigration-service.com/canada/apply.canada.html
>
> skilled construction trades people are in high demand.
>
> roslyn
>
> Bill Barber <bbarber@...> wrote:
> My heart certainly goes out to the Costall family. Robert was so young.
> Aren't they all?
>
> Speaking of the 'Berkeley of the North', I actually went down to see
> what Berkeley was like in 1969. Also went through Haight Ashbury.
> Everything was pretty much over by then.
>
> Spent one year at SFU, and then retreated closer to home. Fraser was
> certainly a hotbed of Maoists when I was there. Most of them were from
> West Vancouver. They certainly weren't from blue collar Burnaby. Nice
> bit of irony. Has anyone ever met a poor socialist? Nor have I.
>
> My love of Canadian history was stoked by my several journeys about the
> country by car, train and air. You really don't know how huge Canada is
> until you hit the rails: 4,000 miles east to west, and Lord knows how
> many north to south.
>
> It's a real treat to travel rail coach from Toronto to Halifax. My
> experience doing so was similar to that described by Arlo Guthrie in
> "The Train They Call The City of New Orleans": card games, the
> downtrodden returning home, etc: We sat upright, awake, in a fully lit
> coach for fifteen or sixteen hours.
>
> I think that Stan Rogers captured Canada's exploration history quite
> wonderfully in a song called "Northwest Passage"
>
> Chorus
>
> Ah, for just one time I would take the Northwest Passage
> To find the hand of Franklin reaching for the Beaufort Sea;
> Tracing one warm line through a land so wild and savage
> And make a Northwest Passage to the sea.
>
> Westward from the Davis Strait 'tis there 'twas said to lie
> The sea route to the Orient for which so many died;
> Seeking gold and glory, leaving weathered, broken bones
> And a long-forgotten lonely cairn of stones.
>
> Three centuries thereafter, I take passage overland
> In the footsteps of brave Kelso, where his "sea of flowers" began
> Watching cities rise before me, then behind me sink again
> This tardiest explorer, driving hard across the plain.
>
> And through the night, behind the wheel, the mileage clicking west
> I think upon Mackenzie, David Thompson and the rest
> Who cracked the mountain ramparts and did show a path for me
> To race the roaring Fraser to the sea.
>
> How then am I so different from the first men through this way?
> Like them, I left a settled life, I threw it all away.
> To seek a Northwest Passage at the call of many men
> To find there but the road back home again.
>
>
> Sorry to go so far OT, but in many ways we are products of our own
> history, or at least we are the products of our own mythologies.
>
> Paul: you should come and see the Rockies some time. They're magnificent.
>
> fayre rose wrote:
> > sfu..aka berkely north..that hippy breeding ground..the one my parents
> > said they wouldn't pay for me to go to..i knew there was something i
> > liked about you...i should have been there in 71..but life happens and
> > i didn't get there until 83.
> >
> > yes, the lack of teaching canadian history is pathetic. i was taught
> > louis riel was a traitor..which i couldn't understand why..see
> > sfu..:-)) finally, the gov recognised him as a real patriot about a
> > 100 years after lynching him.
> >
> > i learned about the halifax explosion 1917, from a nova scotian when
> > i was in my 20's..outside of school.
> >
> > we learned more american history than we ever learned about canadian
> > history.
> > funny really, i watch a bio on bonnie and clyde..and got to
> > wondering did canada have any depression era gangsters..i haven't
> > followed up on that thought.
> >
> > my dau, in grade five has yet to really be taught anything about
> > canadian history aside from inuit, and eastern native culture. she's
> > been assigned a large project on quebec..oh yeah..i figure
> > history..whoopee..nope..all in marketing/promoting quebec as it is
> > today...
> >
> > personally, i feel the powers that be don't want us to learn about
> > history. we'll learn about all the lies they told us. i'm finding
> > evidence that the muslims were in north america circa 700 via the
> > internet...archealogical evidence..we sure aren't hearing about that
> > in the mainstream media.
> >
> > that indiginous (sp) people from southern france travelled to north
> > america and settled here 14,000 or more years ago.
> >
> > and you know that doesn't even cover all the more modern history. i
> > learned about the ww1 internment camps in canada and how banff was
> > build essentially by ukranian slave labour at that time.
> >
> > we all know about ww2 and the japanese, but nada about the
> > ukranians, and other tuetonic/slavic people who were so bitterly
> > treated by the ruling powers of the day.
> >
> > my love of history, i feel is inborn. i've always loved hearing
> > stories of the past. folk/fairy tales were my primary source of
> > reading as child, graduating into historical novels mostly of the
> > elizabethan era.
> >
> > our history..the entire planet's history is fascinating..and if we
> > all as a society/culture knew more..i honestly believe we wouldn't be
> > as prone to become cannon fodder..and speaking of which..i'm a tad
> > upset (mildly stated)
> > the most recent afghanistan war casuality is a local boy, and a
> > former school mate of my son...so another canadian dies because of
> > bush's damn lies.
> >
> > i wonder what history will tell our great grandchildren about this
> > "war on terror" fiasco.
> > where's bin ladin? read PNAC and find out why 9/11 happened.
> > roslyn
> >
> >
> > Bill Barber <bbarber@...> wrote:
> > I think that, for a long time, it was assumed that those of us who
> > lived
> > in 'the colonies' simply didn't have histories worth celebrating. I was
> > actually told that Canada didn't have a history by a very British
> > history professor during my first university year (Simon Fraser, 1966,
> > Roslyn).
> >
> > I assume that you were told something similar about Australian history,
> > Helen? We were always under the shadow of 'The Mother Country'.
> >
> > Helen Rowe wrote:
> > > I was taught history in the 1970s at school. In those days it was
> > > history without people if you can believe it. It was all movements and
> > > the flow of history. If you can see what I mean. I mightn't be
> > > explaining myself very well.
> > >
> > > The Industrial Revolution could be interesting if one concentrated
> > > more of the effect on indidivuals instead of graphs and tables.
> > >
> > > A couple of my teachers seen to be very reluctant to even mention
> > > anyone by name. Strange.
> > >
> > > One project I did do well on in Year 11 was an option I did on the
> > > Suffragettes, Yes, people who made a change. Also a very different
> > > person, a project on Hitler's childhood.
> > >
> > > As a teeanger my fascination with history came from reading novels.
> > > Yes, mostly Jean Plaidy I am afraid. I might see them as rubbishy now
> > > but at the time I enjoyed them. Still they awoke my interest in
> history.
> > >
> > > Oh here in Australia too there are complaints that people don't know
> > > enough of their history.
> > >
> > > I think it was only in the last say forty years that Australian
> > > History really started to be taught much.
> > >
> > > Then we have the "History Wars" arguments, denials and guilt about
> > > the history of the treatment of the Indigenous Peoples.
> > >
> > > In the much earlier days there was the uneasiness with the first
> > > European settlers being convicts. Now, of cause, people are delighted
> > > to have a convict ancestor especially first fleeters.
> > >
> > > Helen
> > >
> > > Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote:
> > > Well considering the importance history courses place on the 20th
> > > century these days it appals me when a show like 'Star Trek' has to
> > > explain who the Nazis were when they are mentioned in a script.
> > > As for history teaching, I guess it all depends on the teachers. Mine
> > > were terrific except for one, the one who for a year tried to make
> > > Economic History interesting. He clearly didn't find it particularly
> > > interesting himself, and that came across to his pupils. I retained
> > > little of it. But the next year I was onto the Civil War in England,
> > > the rise of Louis XVI in France, the 30 Years War, Spanish Empire
> > > building, and as a Special Subject for myself, the French Revolution.
> > > No wonder I did well in my exams with such exciting subjects!
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > On 31 Mar 2006, at 13:46, elizabeth Foley wrote:
> > >
> > > > Agree wholeheartly, it is a long time since I was at school, yep
> > > > they made History so BORING that one did not even bother to get
> > > > involved, all I remember was learning about the INDUSTRIAL
> > > > REVOLUTION which to a teenager was totally a no go area,
> > > > especially when the teenagers were thinking of dancing and
> > > > things......it was not until I was in my 20's and expecting my
> > > > first baby that I picked up a book from the library [because
> > > > during that time and even now I was a nocturnal person] about
> > > > Henry V111 that my love of History really started, it now
> > > > literally takes over my life and I have to say that I love this
> > > > site and class everyone on it as a friend [even though I do not
> > > > email much, I read the mails everyday] again many thanks for all
> > > > your mails and info., that gives me more info., to see/feel
> > > > everyday..........Regards Liz
> > > >
> > > > Janet <forevere@...> wrote: Don't feel bad about
> > > > your fellow citizens not knowing about your
> > > > history. A recent survey here in the states showed that more
> people
> > > > knew the names of the cartoon characters on the long-running TV
> > > > show "The Simpsons" than knew the names of the signers of the
> > > > Declaration of Independence.
> > > > It always surprises me since I have loved history from my
> > > > earliest
> > > > days. I can't understand why folks will watch soap operas for
> hours
> > > > on end but say that history is so boring. It is the greatest soap
> > > > opera there is!!!:-)
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What can I say, Roslyn, We're a crazy, hardy breed of mongrels...well,
sometimes.

fayre rose wrote:
> as a military dependent, i once got to fly over the rockies in the
> belly of a herc. those huge transport planes. it was an experience.
> the seating was along the exterior walls of the plane, in thick canvas
> web chair/slings. cargo was lashed down in the middle..and no way
> could you carry on a conversation with the person next to you because
> of the noise and vibration. i've always hated flying, and that
> experience did nothing to improve my disposition towards that mode of
> travel.
>
> the current immigration debate in canada is about illegals..not
> people who legally immigrate. for those people the rules have been
> laxed. especially if one is migrating to alberta or manitoba, and i
> think the martime provinces.
>
> roslyn
>
> Bill Barber <bbarber@...> wrote:
> You're right about Tommy Douglas. Heard him speak at University of
> Waterloo many years ago. Incredible experience. For those who need an
> anchoring point, he was Kieffer Sutherland's maternal grandfather :-).
> Actually, as Roslyn says, he was a fervent defender of the poor, and
> helped to gain us universal health care.
>
> James Shaver Woodworth was a minister in Etobicoke (West Toronto) at one
> time. When researching my church's records about thirty years ago, I
> noticed that he led our services on at least one occasions. The Shavers
> were a prominent local family in the mid-to-late nineteenth century.
>
> Flew over the Rockies in a DC-3. That was a pretty scary experience. I
> had the feeling that I could reach out of the window and grab the
> mountain tops.
>
> Immigration practices got marginally tougher in the last week. About
> 1000 cue-jumpers were sent packing. Currently, we're having the same
> debate as the U.S.
>
> fayre rose wrote:
> > tommy douglas was a poor socialist. he did not come from a wealthy
> > background. i know many, many poor socialists aka social
> > democrats..but then again, i happen to live in the community that
> > conceived the principles that evolved into the CCF and which is now
> > known as NDP.
> > see..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Shaver_Woodsworth
> >
> > i made it to berkeley in 85..long after all the hippies were gone.
> >
> > i think anyone who really wants to get an idea as to the size/scope
> > of canada should a) fly over it coast to coast one way, and drive or
> > train/bus it back the other way. i've driven it 4 times, once in
> > winter during the worst blizzard they had on prairies in 60
> > years..that was a frost biting experience...i'm in no rush to repeat
> > ever again. i've flown coast to coast once/return flight...again not a
> > real pleasant experience on the return. this flight was in winter and
> > vancouver airport was socked in by fog and they kept us waiting on the
> > tarmac in alberta for about 2 hours in a sweltering hot airplane while
> > they decided if they should fly us over the mountains.
> >
> > they finally decided it was a go..and flew us to abbotsford about 80
> > miles out in the fraser valley..then paraded the passengers on to
> > buses to vancouver. we also had been delayed in toronto and
> > montreal..it was almost 23 hours of travel that normally took about
> > 6...btw..i had not had any sleep for 56 hours by the time i finally
> > saw home. i had been a national university conference complete with
> > plenery and policy sessions for five days prior to the flight...
> >
> > as for the rockies..i'm bc born growing up in the lower mainland
> > always looking at the mountains, however, my first view of them was
> > breath-taking..
> > NOW those are mountains!!
> >
> > i've seen the laurentians..little mole hills compared to the coastal
> > mountains here, and definitely tiny blips on the landscape compared to
> > the rockies. which are absolutely magnificant...but not so fun driving
> > through during winter/avalanche season. but well worth the trip.
> >
> > if any of the europeans on this list have seen the alps..the rockies
> > are as huge if not bigger according to a friend of mine who has
> > travelled in the alps.
> >
> > canada is an absolutely awesome country, and they are relaxing
> > immigration laws/rules if anyone is interested in migrating across the
> > pond or north
> > here's a url.
> > http://www.immigration-service.com/canada/apply.canada.html
> >
> > skilled construction trades people are in high demand.
> >
> > roslyn
> >
> > Bill Barber <bbarber@...> wrote:
> > My heart certainly goes out to the Costall family. Robert was so
> young.
> > Aren't they all?
> >
> > Speaking of the 'Berkeley of the North', I actually went down to see
> > what Berkeley was like in 1969. Also went through Haight Ashbury.
> > Everything was pretty much over by then.
> >
> > Spent one year at SFU, and then retreated closer to home. Fraser was
> > certainly a hotbed of Maoists when I was there. Most of them were from
> > West Vancouver. They certainly weren't from blue collar Burnaby. Nice
> > bit of irony. Has anyone ever met a poor socialist? Nor have I.
> >
> > My love of Canadian history was stoked by my several journeys about the
> > country by car, train and air. You really don't know how huge Canada is
> > until you hit the rails: 4,000 miles east to west, and Lord knows how
> > many north to south.
> >
> > It's a real treat to travel rail coach from Toronto to Halifax. My
> > experience doing so was similar to that described by Arlo Guthrie in
> > "The Train They Call The City of New Orleans": card games, the
> > downtrodden returning home, etc: We sat upright, awake, in a fully lit
> > coach for fifteen or sixteen hours.
> >
> > I think that Stan Rogers captured Canada's exploration history quite
> > wonderfully in a song called "Northwest Passage"
> >
> > Chorus
> >
> > Ah, for just one time I would take the Northwest Passage
> > To find the hand of Franklin reaching for the Beaufort Sea;
> > Tracing one warm line through a land so wild and savage
> > And make a Northwest Passage to the sea.
> >
> > Westward from the Davis Strait 'tis there 'twas said to lie
> > The sea route to the Orient for which so many died;
> > Seeking gold and glory, leaving weathered, broken bones
> > And a long-forgotten lonely cairn of stones.
> >
> > Three centuries thereafter, I take passage overland
> > In the footsteps of brave Kelso, where his "sea of flowers" began
> > Watching cities rise before me, then behind me sink again
> > This tardiest explorer, driving hard across the plain.
> >
> > And through the night, behind the wheel, the mileage clicking west
> > I think upon Mackenzie, David Thompson and the rest
> > Who cracked the mountain ramparts and did show a path for me
> > To race the roaring Fraser to the sea.
> >
> > How then am I so different from the first men through this way?
> > Like them, I left a settled life, I threw it all away.
> > To seek a Northwest Passage at the call of many men
> > To find there but the road back home again.
> >
> >
> > Sorry to go so far OT, but in many ways we are products of our own
> > history, or at least we are the products of our own mythologies.
> >
> > Paul: you should come and see the Rockies some time. They're
> magnificent.
> >
> > fayre rose wrote:
> > > sfu..aka berkely north..that hippy breeding ground..the one my parents
> > > said they wouldn't pay for me to go to..i knew there was something i
> > > liked about you...i should have been there in 71..but life happens and
> > > i didn't get there until 83.
> > >
> > > yes, the lack of teaching canadian history is pathetic. i was taught
> > > louis riel was a traitor..which i couldn't understand why..see
> > > sfu..:-)) finally, the gov recognised him as a real patriot about a
> > > 100 years after lynching him.
> > >
> > > i learned about the halifax explosion 1917, from a nova scotian when
> > > i was in my 20's..outside of school.
> > >
> > > we learned more american history than we ever learned about canadian
> > > history.
> > > funny really, i watch a bio on bonnie and clyde..and got to
> > > wondering did canada have any depression era gangsters..i haven't
> > > followed up on that thought.
> > >
> > > my dau, in grade five has yet to really be taught anything about
> > > canadian history aside from inuit, and eastern native culture. she's
> > > been assigned a large project on quebec..oh yeah..i figure
> > > history..whoopee..nope..all in marketing/promoting quebec as it is
> > > today...
> > >
> > > personally, i feel the powers that be don't want us to learn about
> > > history. we'll learn about all the lies they told us. i'm finding
> > > evidence that the muslims were in north america circa 700 via the
> > > internet...archealogical evidence..we sure aren't hearing about that
> > > in the mainstream media.
> > >
> > > that indiginous (sp) people from southern france travelled to north
> > > america and settled here 14,000 or more years ago.
> > >
> > > and you know that doesn't even cover all the more modern history. i
> > > learned about the ww1 internment camps in canada and how banff was
> > > build essentially by ukranian slave labour at that time.
> > >
> > > we all know about ww2 and the japanese, but nada about the
> > > ukranians, and other tuetonic/slavic people who were so bitterly
> > > treated by the ruling powers of the day.
> > >
> > > my love of history, i feel is inborn. i've always loved hearing
> > > stories of the past. folk/fairy tales were my primary source of
> > > reading as child, graduating into historical novels mostly of the
> > > elizabethan era.
> > >
> > > our history..the entire planet's history is fascinating..and if we
> > > all as a society/culture knew more..i honestly believe we wouldn't be
> > > as prone to become cannon fodder..and speaking of which..i'm a tad
> > > upset (mildly stated)
> > > the most recent afghanistan war casuality is a local boy, and a
> > > former school mate of my son...so another canadian dies because of
> > > bush's damn lies.
> > >
> > > i wonder what history will tell our great grandchildren about this
> > > "war on terror" fiasco.
> > > where's bin ladin? read PNAC and find out why 9/11 happened.
> > > roslyn
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill Barber <bbarber@...> wrote:
> > > I think that, for a long time, it was assumed that those of us who
> > > lived
> > > in 'the colonies' simply didn't have histories worth celebrating.
> I was
> > > actually told that Canada didn't have a history by a very British
> > > history professor during my first university year (Simon Fraser, 1966,
> > > Roslyn).
> > >
> > > I assume that you were told something similar about Australian
> history,
> > > Helen? We were always under the shadow of 'The Mother Country'.
> > >
> > > Helen Rowe wrote:
> > > > I was taught history in the 1970s at school. In those days it was
> > > > history without people if you can believe it. It was all
> movements and
> > > > the flow of history. If you can see what I mean. I mightn't be
> > > > explaining myself very well.
> > > >
> > > > The Industrial Revolution could be interesting if one concentrated
> > > > more of the effect on indidivuals instead of graphs and tables.
> > > >
> > > > A couple of my teachers seen to be very reluctant to even mention
> > > > anyone by name. Strange.
> > > >
> > > > One project I did do well on in Year 11 was an option I did on the
> > > > Suffragettes, Yes, people who made a change. Also a very different
> > > > person, a project on Hitler's childhood.
> > > >
> > > > As a teeanger my fascination with history came from reading
> novels.
> > > > Yes, mostly Jean Plaidy I am afraid. I might see them as
> rubbishy now
> > > > but at the time I enjoyed them. Still they awoke my interest in
> > history.
> > > >
> > > > Oh here in Australia too there are complaints that people
> don't know
> > > > enough of their history.
> > > >
> > > > I think it was only in the last say forty years that Australian
> > > > History really started to be taught much.
> > > >
> > > > Then we have the "History Wars" arguments, denials and guilt about
> > > > the history of the treatment of the Indigenous Peoples.
> > > >
> > > > In the much earlier days there was the uneasiness with the first
> > > > European settlers being convicts. Now, of cause, people are
> delighted
> > > > to have a convict ancestor especially first fleeters.
> > > >
> > > > Helen
> > > >
> > > > Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote:
> > > > Well considering the importance history courses place on the 20th
> > > > century these days it appals me when a show like 'Star Trek' has to
> > > > explain who the Nazis were when they are mentioned in a script.
> > > > As for history teaching, I guess it all depends on the teachers.
> Mine
> > > > were terrific except for one, the one who for a year tried to make
> > > > Economic History interesting. He clearly didn't find it particularly
> > > > interesting himself, and that came across to his pupils. I retained
> > > > little of it. But the next year I was onto the Civil War in England,
> > > > the rise of Louis XVI in France, the 30 Years War, Spanish Empire
> > > > building, and as a Special Subject for myself, the French
> Revolution.
> > > > No wonder I did well in my exams with such exciting subjects!
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > > On 31 Mar 2006, at 13:46, elizabeth Foley wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Agree wholeheartly, it is a long time since I was at school, yep
> > > > > they made History so BORING that one did not even bother to get
> > > > > involved, all I remember was learning about the INDUSTRIAL
> > > > > REVOLUTION which to a teenager was totally a no go area,
> > > > > especially when the teenagers were thinking of dancing and
> > > > > things......it was not until I was in my 20's and expecting my
> > > > > first baby that I picked up a book from the library [because
> > > > > during that time and even now I was a nocturnal person] about
> > > > > Henry V111 that my love of History really started, it now
> > > > > literally takes over my life and I have to say that I love this
> > > > > site and class everyone on it as a friend [even though I do not
> > > > > email much, I read the mails everyday] again many thanks for all
> > > > > your mails and info., that gives me more info., to see/feel
> > > > > everyday..........Regards Liz
> > > > >
> > > > > Janet <forevere@...> wrote: Don't feel bad about
> > > > > your fellow citizens not knowing about your
> > > > > history. A recent survey here in the states showed that more
> > people
> > > > > knew the names of the cartoon characters on the long-running TV
> > > > > show "The Simpsons" than knew the names of the signers of the
> > > > > Declaration of Independence.
> > > > > It always surprises me since I have loved history from my
> > > > > earliest
> > > > > days. I can't understand why folks will watch soap operas for
> > hours
> > > > > on end but say that history is so boring. It is the
> greatest soap
> > > > > opera there is!!!:-)
> > > > > Maybe it is the presentation in schools.....
> > > > >
> > > > > L.M.L.,
> > > > > Janet
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--- In , Paul Trevor Bale
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> Just watched a tv quiz in which one of the questions was 'The Oregon
> Trail that helped open up the American West in the 19th century
> crossed which famous mountain range?' The answer came 'The
> Himalayas'. It appears it is not just history people don't know much
> about, but geography too!


Was it a British quiz show? If it was an American one, I'm surprised
they weren't more specific. The Oregon Trail crossed several famous
mountain ranges including the Cascade Range near me, thouh I'm sure the
question had in mind the major range, the Rocky Mountains.

Katy

No a British show. As we stole India from its rightful owners and
kept it until 1948 it is a disgrace that the contestants did not know
where the Himalayas are.
Paul

On 1 Apr 2006, at 23:05, oregonkaty wrote:

> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
> <paultrevor@...> wrote:
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>> Just watched a tv quiz in which one of the questions was 'The Oregon
>> Trail that helped open up the American West in the 19th century
>> crossed which famous mountain range?' The answer came 'The
>> Himalayas'. It appears it is not just history people don't know much
>> about, but geography too!
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