Queen Anne's picture

Is there a painting of Anne? I tired searching but couldn't find any.
Thanks

The only likeness we have of her is in the Rous Roll.
Paul

On 1 May 2006, at 18:44, angelalebon wrote:

> Is there a painting of Anne? I tired searching but couldn't find any.
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"a winner is a dreamer who just won't quit"

--- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paultrevor@...> wrote:
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> The only likeness we have of her is in the Rous Roll.
> Paul

I believe this is a very accurate representation of her as Rous would have actually seen her.
Certainly his drawing of Clarences daughter Margaret must be very accurate as if you
compare that with the well known portrait of Margaret as an older woman (with the little
barrel on her bracelet) you can definitely see it is the same woman - especially around the
eyes. Although these drawings are faded I think you can see there is a family likeness
between Anne and Margaret.
Eileen
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> On 1 May 2006, at 18:44, angelalebon wrote:
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> > Is there a painting of Anne? I tired searching but couldn't find any.
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> "a winner is a dreamer who just won't quit"
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Very quick post - I'm at work.

Angelalebon - As well as the Rous Roll, there's also a drawing of
Anne in The Beauchamp Pageant (she's on a family tree of the
Kingmaker's family) and the Salisbury Roll (Richard and Anne in
Coronation Roll).

There's also a non-contemporary drawing of a lost stained glass
window from Skipton, I think, included in Hicks' Anne Neville. (I
read it and I don't agree with his interpretation of Anne's character
or her marriage to Richard. I also think he had very little material
and the publishers made the book look bigger by having big margins.)

Eileen - where is this picture of Margaret of Salisbury on Rous Roll
and later in life with the wine barrel on her wrist. I'd love to
compare her and Anne and see this resemblance.

Joanne

--- In , "eileen"
<ebatesparrot@...> wrote:
>
> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
<paultrevor@> wrote:
> >
> > The only likeness we have of her is in the Rous Roll.
> > Paul
>
> I believe this is a very accurate representation of her as Rous
would have actually seen her.
> Certainly his drawing of Clarences daughter Margaret must be very
accurate as if you
> compare that with the well known portrait of Margaret as an older
woman (with the little
> barrel on her bracelet) you can definitely see it is the same
woman - especially around the
> eyes. Although these drawings are faded I think you can see there
is a family likeness
> between Anne and Margaret.
> Eileen
> >
> > On 1 May 2006, at 18:44, angelalebon wrote:
> >
> > > Is there a painting of Anne? I tired searching but couldn't
find any.
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > "a winner is a dreamer who just won't quit"
> >
>

--- In , "jotwo2003" <jsummerill@...> wrote:
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>
>
> Eileen - where is this picture of Margaret of Salisbury on Rous Roll
> and later in life with the wine barrel on her wrist. I'd love to
> compare her and Anne and see this resemblance.
>
> Joanne

Joanne - maybe the drawing of young margaret is on the Beauchamp Pageant and not the
Rous Roll - give me half a mo and I will find it & let you know

Eileen
>
> --- In , "eileen"
> <ebatesparrot@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
> <paultrevor@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The only likeness we have of her is in the Rous Roll.
> > > Paul
> >
> > I believe this is a very accurate representation of her as Rous
> would have actually seen her.
> > Certainly his drawing of Clarences daughter Margaret must be very
> accurate as if you
> > compare that with the well known portrait of Margaret as an older
> woman (with the little
> > barrel on her bracelet) you can definitely see it is the same
> woman - especially around the
> > eyes. Although these drawings are faded I think you can see there
> is a family likeness
> > between Anne and Margaret.
> > Eileen
> > >
> > > On 1 May 2006, at 18:44, angelalebon wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is there a painting of Anne? I tired searching but couldn't
> find any.
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > "a winner is a dreamer who just won't quit"
> > >
> >
>

--- In , "jotwo2003" <jsummerill@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Eileen - where is this picture of Margaret of Salisbury on Rous Roll
> and later in life with the wine barrel on her wrist. I'd love to
> compare her and Anne and see this resemblance.
>
> Joanne

Me again - Joanne if you do a Yahoo Image search and type in Margaret of Salisbury you
will get both the pictures Im talking about.
Eileen
>
> --- In , "eileen"
> <ebatesparrot@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
> <paultrevor@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The only likeness we have of her is in the Rous Roll.
> > > Paul
> >
> > I believe this is a very accurate representation of her as Rous
> would have actually seen her.
> > Certainly his drawing of Clarences daughter Margaret must be very
> accurate as if you
> > compare that with the well known portrait of Margaret as an older
> woman (with the little
> > barrel on her bracelet) you can definitely see it is the same
> woman - especially around the
> > eyes. Although these drawings are faded I think you can see there
> is a family likeness
> > between Anne and Margaret.
> > Eileen
> > >
> > > On 1 May 2006, at 18:44, angelalebon wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is there a painting of Anne? I tired searching but couldn't
> find any.
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > "a winner is a dreamer who just won't quit"
> > >
> >
>

I found the picture of grown-up Margaret on the Tudorplace website.
Just need the picture of her as a youngster.

Another thing I've remembered about Anne Neville's appearance. The
most modern translation of Croyland (Pronay and Cox) says that at
Xmas 1484 there were "vain exchanges of clothing between Queen Anne
and the Lady Elizabeth, who were alike in complexion and figure". So
maybe there was a Plantagenet resemblance between them. Hicks
suggests that this may have attracted Richard to Elizabeth (he is
very keen on the incestuous Richard wanted to marry his niece
theory). He also quotes Joanna Laynesmith as describing Anne as a
slim blonde. (I've ordered the Laynesmith book The Last Medieval
Queens from Amazon so should get it soon.)

Alternatively the older translations of Crowland used to say it was
the vain changes of apparel that were alike in colour and shape, so
take your choice.




--- In , "eileen"
<ebatesparrot@...> wrote:
>
> --- In , "jotwo2003"
<jsummerill@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Eileen - where is this picture of Margaret of Salisbury on Rous
Roll
> > and later in life with the wine barrel on her wrist. I'd love to
> > compare her and Anne and see this resemblance.
> >
> > Joanne
>
> Joanne - maybe the drawing of young margaret is on the Beauchamp
Pageant and not the
> Rous Roll - give me half a mo and I will find it & let you know
>
> Eileen
> >
> > --- In , "eileen"
> > <ebatesparrot@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
> > <paultrevor@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The only likeness we have of her is in the Rous Roll.
> > > > Paul
> > >
> > > I believe this is a very accurate representation of her as Rous
> > would have actually seen her.
> > > Certainly his drawing of Clarences daughter Margaret must be
very
> > accurate as if you
> > > compare that with the well known portrait of Margaret as an
older
> > woman (with the little
> > > barrel on her bracelet) you can definitely see it is the same
> > woman - especially around the
> > > eyes. Although these drawings are faded I think you can see
there
> > is a family likeness
> > > between Anne and Margaret.
> > > Eileen
> > > >
> > > > On 1 May 2006, at 18:44, angelalebon wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Is there a painting of Anne? I tired searching but
couldn't
> > find any.
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > "a winner is a dreamer who just won't quit"
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

I've got them both now. Thanks very much.

I think there is a family likeness. Young Margaret from Rous looks a
bit like Anne of Beauchamp Pageant. But grown-up Margaret is thinner
in the face than when she was young as looks more like Anne on the
Rous Roll.




--- In , "eileen"
<ebatesparrot@...> wrote:
>
> --- In , "jotwo2003"
<jsummerill@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Eileen - where is this picture of Margaret of Salisbury on Rous
Roll
> > and later in life with the wine barrel on her wrist. I'd love to
> > compare her and Anne and see this resemblance.
> >
> > Joanne
>
> Me again - Joanne if you do a Yahoo Image search and type in
Margaret of Salisbury you
> will get both the pictures Im talking about.
> Eileen
> >
> > --- In , "eileen"
> > <ebatesparrot@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
> > <paultrevor@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The only likeness we have of her is in the Rous Roll.
> > > > Paul
> > >
> > > I believe this is a very accurate representation of her as Rous
> > would have actually seen her.
> > > Certainly his drawing of Clarences daughter Margaret must be
very
> > accurate as if you
> > > compare that with the well known portrait of Margaret as an
older
> > woman (with the little
> > > barrel on her bracelet) you can definitely see it is the same
> > woman - especially around the
> > > eyes. Although these drawings are faded I think you can see
there
> > is a family likeness
> > > between Anne and Margaret.
> > > Eileen
> > > >
> > > > On 1 May 2006, at 18:44, angelalebon wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Is there a painting of Anne? I tired searching but
couldn't
> > find any.
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > "a winner is a dreamer who just won't quit"
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Thanks!!

Angela



--- In , "jotwo2003"
<jsummerill@...> wrote:
>
> Very quick post - I'm at work.
>
> Angelalebon - As well as the Rous Roll, there's also a drawing of
> Anne in The Beauchamp Pageant (she's on a family tree of the
> Kingmaker's family) and the Salisbury Roll (Richard and Anne in
> Coronation Roll).
>
> There's also a non-contemporary drawing of a lost stained glass
> window from Skipton, I think, included in Hicks' Anne Neville. (I
> read it and I don't agree with his interpretation of Anne's
character
> or her marriage to Richard. I also think he had very little
material
> and the publishers made the book look bigger by having big margins.)
>
> Eileen - where is this picture of Margaret of Salisbury on Rous
Roll
> and later in life with the wine barrel on her wrist. I'd love to
> compare her and Anne and see this resemblance.
>
> Joanne
>
> --- In , "eileen"
> <ebatesparrot@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
> <paultrevor@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The only likeness we have of her is in the Rous Roll.
> > > Paul
> >
> > I believe this is a very accurate representation of her as Rous
> would have actually seen her.
> > Certainly his drawing of Clarences daughter Margaret must be very
> accurate as if you
> > compare that with the well known portrait of Margaret as an older
> woman (with the little
> > barrel on her bracelet) you can definitely see it is the same
> woman - especially around the
> > eyes. Although these drawings are faded I think you can see
there
> is a family likeness
> > between Anne and Margaret.
> > Eileen
> > >
> > > On 1 May 2006, at 18:44, angelalebon wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is there a painting of Anne? I tired searching but couldn't
> find any.
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > "a winner is a dreamer who just won't quit"
> > >
> >
>