Stone houses
Stone houses
2006-05-10 01:25:02
This is for those on the forum who are not from Britain, or who are not
familiar with Ireland. You people from the British Isles will likely
already know the truth of what I'm about to say. Even though many of us
from 'the colonies' share a common racial and cultural background with
those of you in the British Isles, our world views are often quite
different. You'll have to forgive my wide-eyed innocence.
What really stood out for me during my trip is the thousands of derelict
stone farms and walled fields that fill the Irish landscape. These
structures have stood in ruins since the time of the potato famine. The
population of Ireland in 1845 was about eight million. Today, it is only
about four million. I never in my life witnessed the visible signs of a
massive population drop until I visited Ireland. North America has known
only growth. During the famine, those who died were often buried in
mass graves, or were simply left in their homes where the roofs and
parts of the walls were pulled down over the bodies to create grave sites.
My Irish ancestors who came to Canada to build a new life suffered
privations I could not imagine.
I went though the heritage centre at Cobh in complete silence, reading
about transportation to Australia, and the coffin ships to America.
familiar with Ireland. You people from the British Isles will likely
already know the truth of what I'm about to say. Even though many of us
from 'the colonies' share a common racial and cultural background with
those of you in the British Isles, our world views are often quite
different. You'll have to forgive my wide-eyed innocence.
What really stood out for me during my trip is the thousands of derelict
stone farms and walled fields that fill the Irish landscape. These
structures have stood in ruins since the time of the potato famine. The
population of Ireland in 1845 was about eight million. Today, it is only
about four million. I never in my life witnessed the visible signs of a
massive population drop until I visited Ireland. North America has known
only growth. During the famine, those who died were often buried in
mass graves, or were simply left in their homes where the roofs and
parts of the walls were pulled down over the bodies to create grave sites.
My Irish ancestors who came to Canada to build a new life suffered
privations I could not imagine.
I went though the heritage centre at Cobh in complete silence, reading
about transportation to Australia, and the coffin ships to America.
Re: Stone houses
2006-05-10 10:42:45
--- In , Bill Barber <bbarber@...> wrote:
>
>
>> I went though the heritage centre at Cobh in complete silence, reading
> about transportation to Australia, and the coffin ships to America.
Man's inhumanity to Man never changes/ceases does it??
Eileen
>
>
>
>> I went though the heritage centre at Cobh in complete silence, reading
> about transportation to Australia, and the coffin ships to America.
Man's inhumanity to Man never changes/ceases does it??
Eileen
>
Re: Stone houses
2006-05-10 22:57:23
--- In , Bill Barber
<bbarber@...> wrote:
>
> This is for those on the forum who are not from Britain, or who are
not
> familiar with Ireland. You people from the British Isles will
likely
> already know the truth of what I'm about to say.
Sadly, Bill, no they won't - not outside Ireland. There's a saying
(in Ireland at leas), that the political problems stem from the Irish
knowing too much history, and the British too little.
Even though many of us
> from 'the colonies' share a common racial and cultural background
with
> those of you in the British Isles, our world views are often quite
> different. You'll have to forgive my wide-eyed innocence.
>
> What really stood out for me during my trip is the thousands of
derelict
> stone farms and walled fields that fill the Irish landscape. These
> structures have stood in ruins since the time of the potato famine.
The
> population of Ireland in 1845 was about eight million. Today, it is
only
> about four million. I never in my life witnessed the visible signs
of a
> massive population drop until I visited Ireland. North America has
known
> only growth. During the famine, those who died were often buried
in
> mass graves, or were simply left in their homes where the roofs and
> parts of the walls were pulled down over the bodies to create grave
sites.
>
> My Irish ancestors who came to Canada to build a new life suffered
> privations I could not imagine.
Absolutely. But on a positive note, we are by definition descendants
of the survivors.
On my mum's side, many of her ancestors were lucky enough to live on
two islands off the Donegal coast which the blight never hit. Not,
all, however. And even so, they emigrated to the States in droves.
Even if you could keep a few potatoes of your own from the starving
hordes, it can't have been a pleasant experience. And, researching my
dad's side, I found the family of his grandfather in co Limerick
before the Famine, but said grandfather was the last child born to
the family (in 1845) before the blight hit. By the time teh Famine
ended, when Griffiths Valuation took place, they'd all gone from the
parish, dead, evicted or packed into a coffin ship. Somehow my gt-
grandfather fetched up in south London, but I'm damned if I know how,
or how many others of his family survived.
He married, had one child, which killed the mother, then wandered off
again.
Where my mum comes from, I know of a big mound that is a Famine
grave, and in a small fishing port, as you walk in there are two big
derelict buildings. One was the British army barracks; the other was
the fever hospital built during the Famine for the typhus victims.
The ruins you saw I Ireland, though, the effect of depopulation, is
probably not that dissimilar to the sights in England in the 15th
century. There had been whole villages abandoned during the Plague,
and most towns still had a large proportion of derelict buildings.
Marie
<bbarber@...> wrote:
>
> This is for those on the forum who are not from Britain, or who are
not
> familiar with Ireland. You people from the British Isles will
likely
> already know the truth of what I'm about to say.
Sadly, Bill, no they won't - not outside Ireland. There's a saying
(in Ireland at leas), that the political problems stem from the Irish
knowing too much history, and the British too little.
Even though many of us
> from 'the colonies' share a common racial and cultural background
with
> those of you in the British Isles, our world views are often quite
> different. You'll have to forgive my wide-eyed innocence.
>
> What really stood out for me during my trip is the thousands of
derelict
> stone farms and walled fields that fill the Irish landscape. These
> structures have stood in ruins since the time of the potato famine.
The
> population of Ireland in 1845 was about eight million. Today, it is
only
> about four million. I never in my life witnessed the visible signs
of a
> massive population drop until I visited Ireland. North America has
known
> only growth. During the famine, those who died were often buried
in
> mass graves, or were simply left in their homes where the roofs and
> parts of the walls were pulled down over the bodies to create grave
sites.
>
> My Irish ancestors who came to Canada to build a new life suffered
> privations I could not imagine.
Absolutely. But on a positive note, we are by definition descendants
of the survivors.
On my mum's side, many of her ancestors were lucky enough to live on
two islands off the Donegal coast which the blight never hit. Not,
all, however. And even so, they emigrated to the States in droves.
Even if you could keep a few potatoes of your own from the starving
hordes, it can't have been a pleasant experience. And, researching my
dad's side, I found the family of his grandfather in co Limerick
before the Famine, but said grandfather was the last child born to
the family (in 1845) before the blight hit. By the time teh Famine
ended, when Griffiths Valuation took place, they'd all gone from the
parish, dead, evicted or packed into a coffin ship. Somehow my gt-
grandfather fetched up in south London, but I'm damned if I know how,
or how many others of his family survived.
He married, had one child, which killed the mother, then wandered off
again.
Where my mum comes from, I know of a big mound that is a Famine
grave, and in a small fishing port, as you walk in there are two big
derelict buildings. One was the British army barracks; the other was
the fever hospital built during the Famine for the typhus victims.
The ruins you saw I Ireland, though, the effect of depopulation, is
probably not that dissimilar to the sights in England in the 15th
century. There had been whole villages abandoned during the Plague,
and most towns still had a large proportion of derelict buildings.
Marie
Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Re: Stone houses
2006-05-11 00:05:11
I had thought of the plague, the famine of 1315 and the French villages
of the Hundred Years War. What would the landscape have looked like to
people of Richard's time?
mariewalsh2003 wrote:
> --- In , Bill Barber
> <bbarber@...> wrote:
> >
> > This is for those on the forum who are not from Britain, or who are
> not
> > familiar with Ireland. You people from the British Isles will
> likely
> > already know the truth of what I'm about to say.
>
>
> Sadly, Bill, no they won't - not outside Ireland. There's a saying
> (in Ireland at leas), that the political problems stem from the Irish
> knowing too much history, and the British too little.
>
> Even though many of us
> > from 'the colonies' share a common racial and cultural background
> with
> > those of you in the British Isles, our world views are often quite
> > different. You'll have to forgive my wide-eyed innocence.
> >
> > What really stood out for me during my trip is the thousands of
> derelict
> > stone farms and walled fields that fill the Irish landscape. These
> > structures have stood in ruins since the time of the potato famine.
> The
> > population of Ireland in 1845 was about eight million. Today, it is
> only
> > about four million. I never in my life witnessed the visible signs
> of a
> > massive population drop until I visited Ireland. North America has
> known
> > only growth. During the famine, those who died were often buried
> in
> > mass graves, or were simply left in their homes where the roofs and
> > parts of the walls were pulled down over the bodies to create grave
> sites.
> >
> > My Irish ancestors who came to Canada to build a new life suffered
> > privations I could not imagine.
>
> Absolutely. But on a positive note, we are by definition descendants
> of the survivors.
> On my mum's side, many of her ancestors were lucky enough to live on
> two islands off the Donegal coast which the blight never hit. Not,
> all, however. And even so, they emigrated to the States in droves.
> Even if you could keep a few potatoes of your own from the starving
> hordes, it can't have been a pleasant experience. And, researching my
> dad's side, I found the family of his grandfather in co Limerick
> before the Famine, but said grandfather was the last child born to
> the family (in 1845) before the blight hit. By the time teh Famine
> ended, when Griffiths Valuation took place, they'd all gone from the
> parish, dead, evicted or packed into a coffin ship. Somehow my gt-
> grandfather fetched up in south London, but I'm damned if I know how,
> or how many others of his family survived.
> He married, had one child, which killed the mother, then wandered off
> again.
> Where my mum comes from, I know of a big mound that is a Famine
> grave, and in a small fishing port, as you walk in there are two big
> derelict buildings. One was the British army barracks; the other was
> the fever hospital built during the Famine for the typhus victims.
>
> The ruins you saw I Ireland, though, the effect of depopulation, is
> probably not that dissimilar to the sights in England in the 15th
> century. There had been whole villages abandoned during the Plague,
> and most towns still had a large proportion of derelict buildings.
>
> Marie
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of the Hundred Years War. What would the landscape have looked like to
people of Richard's time?
mariewalsh2003 wrote:
> --- In , Bill Barber
> <bbarber@...> wrote:
> >
> > This is for those on the forum who are not from Britain, or who are
> not
> > familiar with Ireland. You people from the British Isles will
> likely
> > already know the truth of what I'm about to say.
>
>
> Sadly, Bill, no they won't - not outside Ireland. There's a saying
> (in Ireland at leas), that the political problems stem from the Irish
> knowing too much history, and the British too little.
>
> Even though many of us
> > from 'the colonies' share a common racial and cultural background
> with
> > those of you in the British Isles, our world views are often quite
> > different. You'll have to forgive my wide-eyed innocence.
> >
> > What really stood out for me during my trip is the thousands of
> derelict
> > stone farms and walled fields that fill the Irish landscape. These
> > structures have stood in ruins since the time of the potato famine.
> The
> > population of Ireland in 1845 was about eight million. Today, it is
> only
> > about four million. I never in my life witnessed the visible signs
> of a
> > massive population drop until I visited Ireland. North America has
> known
> > only growth. During the famine, those who died were often buried
> in
> > mass graves, or were simply left in their homes where the roofs and
> > parts of the walls were pulled down over the bodies to create grave
> sites.
> >
> > My Irish ancestors who came to Canada to build a new life suffered
> > privations I could not imagine.
>
> Absolutely. But on a positive note, we are by definition descendants
> of the survivors.
> On my mum's side, many of her ancestors were lucky enough to live on
> two islands off the Donegal coast which the blight never hit. Not,
> all, however. And even so, they emigrated to the States in droves.
> Even if you could keep a few potatoes of your own from the starving
> hordes, it can't have been a pleasant experience. And, researching my
> dad's side, I found the family of his grandfather in co Limerick
> before the Famine, but said grandfather was the last child born to
> the family (in 1845) before the blight hit. By the time teh Famine
> ended, when Griffiths Valuation took place, they'd all gone from the
> parish, dead, evicted or packed into a coffin ship. Somehow my gt-
> grandfather fetched up in south London, but I'm damned if I know how,
> or how many others of his family survived.
> He married, had one child, which killed the mother, then wandered off
> again.
> Where my mum comes from, I know of a big mound that is a Famine
> grave, and in a small fishing port, as you walk in there are two big
> derelict buildings. One was the British army barracks; the other was
> the fever hospital built during the Famine for the typhus victims.
>
> The ruins you saw I Ireland, though, the effect of depopulation, is
> probably not that dissimilar to the sights in England in the 15th
> century. There had been whole villages abandoned during the Plague,
> and most towns still had a large proportion of derelict buildings.
>
> Marie
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Re: Stone houses
2006-05-17 02:54:51
I enjoyed the heartbreaking description of the derelict stone farms
of Ireland and the thought of the comparison to Plagues of older
times. Thought provoking.
I know my husbands Irish ancestor was supposedly just taken from the
streets of Ireland and forced aboard a ship to America... I guess to
work or more likely serve in the Federal army during the Civil
War... he and a group of men jumped ship off the coast of Florida
and he was one of the ones to survive that decision. As a note to
their lack of knowledge of the vastness of the world, they almost
jumped ship off the other coast of Ireland, thinking they were
already to America, but a sailor warned them in time.
Angie
--- In , Bill Barber
<bbarber@...> wrote:
>
> This is for those on the forum who are not from Britain, or who
are not
> familiar with Ireland. You people from the British Isles will
likely
> already know the truth of what I'm about to say. Even though many
of us
> from 'the colonies' share a common racial and cultural background
with
> those of you in the British Isles, our world views are often quite
> different. You'll have to forgive my wide-eyed innocence.
>
> What really stood out for me during my trip is the thousands of
derelict
> stone farms and walled fields that fill the Irish landscape. These
> structures have stood in ruins since the time of the potato
famine. The
> population of Ireland in 1845 was about eight million. Today, it
is only
> about four million. I never in my life witnessed the visible signs
of a
> massive population drop until I visited Ireland. North America has
known
> only growth. During the famine, those who died were often buried
in
> mass graves, or were simply left in their homes where the roofs
and
> parts of the walls were pulled down over the bodies to create
grave sites.
>
> My Irish ancestors who came to Canada to build a new life suffered
> privations I could not imagine.
>
> I went though the heritage centre at Cobh in complete silence,
reading
> about transportation to Australia, and the coffin ships to America.
>
of Ireland and the thought of the comparison to Plagues of older
times. Thought provoking.
I know my husbands Irish ancestor was supposedly just taken from the
streets of Ireland and forced aboard a ship to America... I guess to
work or more likely serve in the Federal army during the Civil
War... he and a group of men jumped ship off the coast of Florida
and he was one of the ones to survive that decision. As a note to
their lack of knowledge of the vastness of the world, they almost
jumped ship off the other coast of Ireland, thinking they were
already to America, but a sailor warned them in time.
Angie
--- In , Bill Barber
<bbarber@...> wrote:
>
> This is for those on the forum who are not from Britain, or who
are not
> familiar with Ireland. You people from the British Isles will
likely
> already know the truth of what I'm about to say. Even though many
of us
> from 'the colonies' share a common racial and cultural background
with
> those of you in the British Isles, our world views are often quite
> different. You'll have to forgive my wide-eyed innocence.
>
> What really stood out for me during my trip is the thousands of
derelict
> stone farms and walled fields that fill the Irish landscape. These
> structures have stood in ruins since the time of the potato
famine. The
> population of Ireland in 1845 was about eight million. Today, it
is only
> about four million. I never in my life witnessed the visible signs
of a
> massive population drop until I visited Ireland. North America has
known
> only growth. During the famine, those who died were often buried
in
> mass graves, or were simply left in their homes where the roofs
and
> parts of the walls were pulled down over the bodies to create
grave sites.
>
> My Irish ancestors who came to Canada to build a new life suffered
> privations I could not imagine.
>
> I went though the heritage centre at Cobh in complete silence,
reading
> about transportation to Australia, and the coffin ships to America.
>
Re: Stone houses
2006-05-17 18:01:57
Angie that's a really cool story!
-Mishka
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