Family likenesses

Following on from some recent postings about family likenesses has anyone else noted
the strong family resemblence that clearly shows in the portraits of Richard and his sister
Margaret of Burgundy - Im referring to the well known portrait of Margaret that is now in
the Louvre - the eyes are very very similar. I think it follows on that both portraits must
be accurate likenesses.
But regarding the portraits we have of their brother Edward - I cannot discern any likeness
at all! The only portrait that shows any likeness to Edward is that of, well, Perkin Warbeck
- strange that......
Eileen

--- In , "eileen"
<ebatesparrot@...> wrote:
>
> Following on from some recent postings about family likenesses has
anyone else noted
> the strong family resemblence that clearly shows in the portraits
of Richard and his sister
> Margaret of Burgundy - Im referring to the well known portrait of
Margaret that is now in
> the Louvre - the eyes are very very similar. I think it follows on
that both portraits must
> be accurate likenesses.
> But regarding the portraits we have of their brother Edward - I
cannot discern any likeness
> at all! The only portrait that shows any likeness to Edward is
that of, well, Perkin Warbeck
> - strange that......
> Eileen

I've often thought exactly the same. However, there is a 15th century
Burgundian portrait in New York (I think) which, though not
positively identifiable, is tentatively identified as Margaret, and
this one bears a striking similarity to Edward around the jawline
(basically, that rather loose-fleshed jawline you see in the
portraits of Edward IV and 'Perkin Warbeck'). The picture is
reproduced in Christine Weightman's biography of Margaret, and it
does look awfully like her other portraits I must say.
So probably some relationship between Edward and Margaret? Not a
problem for either camp.
As for Perkin Warbeck, I do agree - it's unmissable, isn't it? Ann
Wroe talks about the likeness of his portrait to that of Edward IV,
but also admits that there are differences. This is not surprising -
I don't think anyone's yet come up with a theory that Perkin Warbeck
was cloned from bits of Edward IV snipped off him during his
Burgundian exile. Any son of Edward IV would be 50% someone else.
What I find interesting is that every feature of PW's which fails to
match up to Edward IV does match the portraits of Elizabeth Woodville
(most notably the large heavy-lidded eyes, quite different from
Edward's little buttons, but also the greater delicacy of the chin).
Very strange, that. . .
Marie



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--- In , "mariewalsh2003"
<marie@...> wrote:
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> --- In , "eileen"
> <ebatesparrot@> wrote:
> >
> > Following on from some recent postings about family likenesses
has
> anyone else noted
> > the strong family resemblence that clearly shows in the portraits
> of Richard and his sister
> > Margaret of Burgundy - Im referring to the well known portrait of
> Margaret that is now in
> > the Louvre - the eyes are very very similar. I think it follows
on
> that both portraits must
> > be accurate likenesses.
> > But regarding the portraits we have of their brother Edward - I
> cannot discern any likeness
> > at all! The only portrait that shows any likeness to Edward is
> that of, well, Perkin Warbeck
> > - strange that......
> > Eileen
>
> I've often thought exactly the same. However, there is a 15th
century
> Burgundian portrait in New York (I think) which, though not
> positively identifiable, is tentatively identified as Margaret, and
> this one bears a striking similarity to Edward around the jawline
> (basically, that rather loose-fleshed jawline you see in the
> portraits of Edward IV and 'Perkin Warbeck'). The picture is
> reproduced in Christine Weightman's biography of Margaret, and it
> does look awfully like her other portraits I must say.
> So probably some relationship between Edward and Margaret? Not a
> problem for either camp.
> As for Perkin Warbeck, I do agree - it's unmissable, isn't it? Ann
> Wroe talks about the likeness of his portrait to that of Edward IV,
> but also admits that there are differences. This is not surprising -

> I don't think anyone's yet come up with a theory that Perkin
Warbeck
> was cloned from bits of Edward IV snipped off him during his
> Burgundian exile. Any son of Edward IV would be 50% someone else.
> What I find interesting is that every feature of PW's which fails
to
> match up to Edward IV does match the portraits of Elizabeth
Woodville
> (most notably the large heavy-lidded eyes, quite different from
> Edward's little buttons, but also the greater delicacy of the chin).
> Very strange, that. . .
> Marie


I've read that one of the numerous reasons that Henry the Weasel
disliked Henry the future VIII was his strong resemblance to his
grandfather, Edward IV.

--- In , oregonkaty <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> t>
>
> I've read that one of the numerous reasons that Henry the Weasel
> disliked Henry the future VIII was his strong resemblance to his
> grandfather, Edward IV.
>Katy

This is the first I have heard about Weasel hating his sprog - another reason life,perhaps,
must have been awful for Elizabeth of York. Hopefully she didnt have to be around her
husband a lot of the time. Or maybe the reality is she didnt worry a lot about these things
i.e. bossy mother-in-law, mean husband. I do understand though that he did show some
tenderness towards her on the death of Arthur - maybe he mellowed in later years. I do
find it hard to feel sympathetic towards her though - maybe because (to my mind) she
married the enemy or maybe even, going from her portrait she looks kind of well, docile,
which I find slightly irritating. Of course I could be entirely wrong and it may be that she
was very much like her mother whom I would have thought was a strong, passionate and
volatile woman.

Eileen

check out margaret, countess of salisbury, neice of e4. you can see the family likeness.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Pole,_Countess_of_Salisbury

which to me signifies geo, d of c, looked somewhat like his brother edward.
what remains to be determined is..did edward and geo get their looks from the rose of raby? or their father, richard d. of york?

does anyone know of any portraits of members of the mortimers, nevilles, or earlier plantagents to enable some sort of comparison in family features?

roslyn

eileen <ebatesparrot@...> wrote:
Following on from some recent postings about family likenesses has anyone else noted
the strong family resemblence that clearly shows in the portraits of Richard and his sister
Margaret of Burgundy - Im referring to the well known portrait of Margaret that is now in
the Louvre - the eyes are very very similar. I think it follows on that both portraits must
be accurate likenesses.
But regarding the portraits we have of their brother Edward - I cannot discern any likeness
at all! The only portrait that shows any likeness to Edward is that of, well, Perkin Warbeck
- strange that......
Eileen





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--- In , fayre rose <fayreroze@...> wrote:
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> check out margaret, countess of salisbury, neice of e4. you can see the family likeness.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Pole,_Countess_of_Salisbury
>
> which to me signifies geo, d of c, looked somewhat like his brother edward.
> what remains to be determined is..did edward and geo get their looks from the rose of
raby? or their father, richard d. of york?

I was of the thought that Richard looked like his dad - his sister margaret too having seen
the likeness shared between her and richard.
eileen
>
> does anyone know of any portraits of members of the mortimers, nevilles, or earlier
plantagents to enable some sort of comparison in family features?
>
> roslyn
>
> eileen <ebatesparrot@...> wrote:
> Following on from some recent postings about family likenesses has anyone else noted
> the strong family resemblence that clearly shows in the portraits of Richard and his
sister
> Margaret of Burgundy - Im referring to the well known portrait of Margaret that is now
in
> the Louvre - the eyes are very very similar. I think it follows on that both portraits must
> be accurate likenesses.
> But regarding the portraits we have of their brother Edward - I cannot discern any
likeness
> at all! The only portrait that shows any likeness to Edward is that of, well, Perkin
Warbeck
> - strange that......
> Eileen
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