In defense of Edward and Clarence

I'm finding it interesting that many postings seem to take it as fact
that Clarence was a drunk and Edward was a drunken lascivious glutton.

I think that if you examine the sources, you'll find that those
reputations are built on as few planks as that of Richard as a
scheming child-killer.

Katy

--- In , oregonkaty <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> I'm finding it interesting that many postings seem to take it as fact
> that Clarence was a drunk and Edward was a drunken lascivious glutton.
>
> I think that if you examine the sources, you'll find that those
> reputations are built on as few planks as that of Richard as a
> scheming child-killer.
>
> Katy
>

Im thinking there was something not quite right about Georgie - drunk or unstable or
suchlike - Im basing that on the Ankaratte Twynho chapter which makes me think that
George had complete lost the plot. I think, Katy, someone else posted a message that
George was getting somewhat of an unfair press - maybe Ive been a bit too harsh on him
- poor old George - Im feel sorry for him now ........ aaaaaah :-(

Eileen

The Clarence as a drunk comes from his behaviour around the time of
the Twynhoe incident when he his behaviour was extreme and dangerous,
during which he turned up at a banquet held by the queen, and the
chroniclers remarked on his sobriety as if it were something unusual,
and ostentatiously refused food and drink, making out he thought the
queen would poison him.
Edward on the other hand had periods in which he worked like a man
obsessed, only to follow it by lassitude and inactivity.
Paul

On 11 Jun 2006, at 21:08, oregonkaty wrote:

> I'm finding it interesting that many postings seem to take it as fact
> that Clarence was a drunk and Edward was a drunken lascivious glutton.
>
> I think that if you examine the sources, you'll find that those
> reputations are built on as few planks as that of Richard as a
> scheming child-killer.
>
> Katy
>
>
>
>
>
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"a winner is a dreamer who just won't quit"

--- In , Paul Trevor Bale
<paultrevor@...> wrote:
>
> The Clarence as a drunk comes from his behaviour around the time of
> the Twynhoe incident when he his behaviour was extreme and
dangerous,
> during which he turned up at a banquet held by the queen, and the
> chroniclers remarked on his sobriety as if it were something
unusual,


This reminds me of a story:

One day the First Mate of a sailing ship celebrated something a little
too well and too long, and offended the Captain, who entered into the
ship's log "Mate was grunk today."

When the mate sobered up he realized that he had put his future
promotions in jeopardy, and went and begged the Captain to strike out
those words.

The Captain imperiously reminded him that once a log entry had been
made, it could never be altered or deleted.

The next time it was the Mate's turn to keep the log, he carefully
entered "Captain was sober today."

Which makes me think yet again of my harping that if something is
remarked upon, it is remarkable.

Katy

Nice one Kathy, I like it.

I always thought that being drunk was Georges way of coping with his life. Not trying to get too sympathetic, but it might have been hard if guessed his brother was a bastard and therefore he should have been king, but could never prove it and he lived in his shadow. Both he and Richard had a rough childhood. The Woodvilles would be difficult to put up with (although you have to hand it to Bess she married well for herself ).I personally think George would have made a terrible king far to weak.

Edward just let it all go to his head - reminds me of someone else .... Henry VIII only more charming. Think he was the kind of guy all the girls were in love with but tried to keep their daughters away from.

Marion



oregonkaty <[email protected]> wrote: --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
<paultrevor@...> wrote:
>
> The Clarence as a drunk comes from his behaviour around the time of
> the Twynhoe incident when he his behaviour was extreme and
dangerous,
> during which he turned up at a banquet held by the queen, and the
> chroniclers remarked on his sobriety as if it were something
unusual,

This reminds me of a story:

One day the First Mate of a sailing ship celebrated something a little
too well and too long, and offended the Captain, who entered into the
ship's log "Mate was grunk today."

When the mate sobered up he realized that he had put his future
promotions in jeopardy, and went and begged the Captain to strike out
those words.

The Captain imperiously reminded him that once a log entry had been
made, it could never be altered or deleted.

The next time it was the Mate's turn to keep the log, he carefully
entered "Captain was sober today."

Which makes me think yet again of my harping that if something is
remarked upon, it is remarkable.

Katy





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