Jane Shore again - and her child(ren)

I always thought Mrs Lynom had one child, JULIAN. Any idea what gender
this child was? Julian of Norwich was a woman but St Julian was a man.

Also someone said the new DNB said Thomas Lynom was alive and well in
the 16th century, and therefore presumably the former royal mistress
who was now respectably married was as well, and that Thomas had TWO
children. Were both of these children by "Jane".

Also, I looked on Amazon and as well as the new book from Sutton by
marie Crosland called The Mysterious Mistress there were two other
books about Mrs Shore. One was The Witchery of Jane Shore (1933) and
the other was called Jane Shore Heroine and Harlot.

Joanne

--- In , "jotwo2003"
<jsummerill@...> wrote:
>
> I always thought Mrs Lynom had one child, JULIAN. Any idea what
gender
> this child was? Julian of Norwich was a woman but St Julian was a
man.
>
> Also someone said the new DNB said Thomas Lynom was alive and well
in
> the 16th century, and therefore presumably the former royal
mistress
> who was now respectably married was as well, and that Thomas had
TWO
> children. Were both of these children by "Jane".

The evidence for the two children is not 100% but not bad. The will
of Elizabeth's father John Lambert, made in September 1487, includes
the following:-
"to Elizabeth Lineham my doughter a bed of Arras with the Silour
testour and cortayns, a stayned cloth of Mary Magdalene and Martha.
Also I bequeth to Julyan Lyneham xl s."
Julians in medieval England were always girls.

I don't seem to have kept any notes, but as I recall after about 1489
Thomas doesn't seem to have been in the London area any longer. He
next turns up on commissions for Shropshire and one of the adjoining
counties (either Cheshire or Herefordshire, I forget which now).
These appointments fizzle out in the 1510s. The author of the ODNB
(that is, confusingly, the new edition of the DNB) says that later
on, 1520s I think, another Lynom starts to appear on commissions for
the same area - might be a Richard but I couldn't swear to it, and
the author speculates that this is probably a son of Thomas and
Elizabeth born after her father made his will.

By the by, the rather obvious question has been asked: was that cloth
painted with pictures of Mary Magdalene and Martha meant by John
Lambert to make his daughter think on her chosen path?

Marie






>
> Also, I looked on Amazon and as well as the new book from Sutton by
> marie Crosland called The Mysterious Mistress there were two other
> books about Mrs Shore. One was The Witchery of Jane Shore (1933)
and
> the other was called Jane Shore Heroine and Harlot.
>
> Joanne
>

OK, found my notes on Thomas Lynom.

Lynom remained in the London area for a while after the death of
Elizabeth's father (of whose will he was an overseer). In May
1488 "Thomas Lynom late of London", and two other men, one from London
and one from Southwark, entered the property of one Richard Coton and
committed trespass. Ignore the 'late of' - it always says that in such
documents. The incident may well have been connected with the execution
of John Lambert's will.
On 23 December 1488 Elizabeth's mother made her will and named Thomas
as one of her executors.
I only looked at wills and the patent rolls for Thomas & Elizabeth
before I got sidetracked on to other things, but he doesn't appear in
the patent rolls again until 1495, and then it is on a commission for
Shropshire. More such commissions in 1502, 1503, 1504 and 1506.
The new DNB gives a date of death for him in 1518. The Lynom who was
active in Shropshire after that was another Thomas, not a Richard.

Has anybody seen this new biography of her? Is it reliable?

Marie

PS. Anyone interested in Elizabeth's family, her mother Amy was a
daughter of the London merchant Robert Marshall (one-time mayor, I
think). Eliz. had three brothers: John, Robert, and William the priest.
In 1487 William was the parson of All saints, Foster Lane.
When John died in 1511 he was resident at St John's Priory in
Clerkenwell and described himself as "a servant of God and St John's".
It is not entirely clear from the will whether he was a full member of
the Order, but he doesn't seem to have left any children. The family
members who benefited were various Lambert nephews, presumably brother
Robert's children.